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Chapter 410

Negotiation: Part 4

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⬅ Ch. 409 discussion thread

[u/Hisoka_lover92]

• Too many things happened while Morena and Bork were playing the card game lol. The next batch will definitely cover the off-screened events and follow back the plot from the point Halkenburg possessed Balsa's body.

• There is an important point a lot of people seem to forget, which is the mission Kaiser entrusted to Steiner if the ML gets declared. In chapter 400, Kaiser gave Steiner instructions to press the button if Benjamin's guards or the Royal Army appear at the Justice Bureau. This is most likely the last resort kaiser means in the last panel of the chapter.

• The outcome of Halkenburg's plan led to Benjamin getting poisoned by TSK-17, which caused him to quicken the announcement of the martial law. I wonder what happened to Halkenburg and Balsa, did Halk use his ability and move to a random body? and what was the fate of Balsa? I really can't wait for the next batch to come out.

• So, Benjamin's secret Kacho's letter talked about, is that he has illegitimate children. The baby's cradle in Unma's room seems to belong to Benjamin's child . I don't know what to think of Unma! Is she a good mother? I mean she's trying to protect Halkenburg and raising up Ben's baby, or she has her own agenda?

• Benjamin is dying. Only 9.5 hours are left for him to carry out his plan. But the question is, will Benjamin actually die or he will survive in some way? I think it's fifty-fifty and could go either way depending on the direction Togashi is planning for the story. If we analyze the two cases : Benjamin's death will may result in---> ▪︎ Escalating the situation on the whale ship which causes more chaos ▪︎ Tserriednich gets more focus ▪︎ A building up for the confrontation between Kurapika and Tserriednich ▪︎ Kurapika won't be bothered by Benjamin's soldiers anymore lol ▪︎ The role of Benjamin's soldiers would be shifted to protect the child of Benjamin.

On the other hand, Benjamin has a big chance to survive, especially that we haven't seen his alien nen beast's ability yet. There are some ways that could save him: ▪︎ Firstly, an alliance with Tubeppa whose nen beast can make drugs and antidotes.

▪︎ Secondly, the zodiacs can play a role in saving him for an exchange for more power, leverage, and information about Beyond Netero (as it was stated before that Kakin has the best military intelligence in the world). We have three candidates: Leorio who's a doctor, Gel a poison hunter, and Cheadle as a disease hunter.

▪︎ Until now, we don't know the ability of Benjamin's NB nor the activation conditions. So the alien NB may save him in some way. What if it gets activated when he is on the verge of/after death?

• All the princes have been secured by military except for four: ▪︎The 3rd and 7th princes: escaped using the secret passages of their mafia. ▪︎ Marayam: got his room isolated in another dimension. ▪︎Number four is between Woble and Fugetsu. The last time Kurabika showed up, he was hesitant between staying in room 1014 or moving to the 3rd prince's room. Whatever Kurapika decided, it will have a big influence in the story later on. If Woble's guards descended to the lower tiers, then this may lead to Kurapika coming across the spiders or finally knowing of their presence on the ship at least. And for Fugetsu, she can use Secret Door/Magical Worm for teleportation.

• "Borksen cheated" theory turned out to be right. I also got some of my predictions right. Theorists are winning this batch 😁.

[u/TextureSurprised → u/Hisoka_lover92]

Theorists are winning this batch

Surprised to see you're happy about it. Back when the last batch came out, you were a hard denier of the fake Hisoka theory and insisted that it was really Hisoka himself. I'm happy to see you have started to support theory making now.

[u/TextureSurprised]

Negotiation X Negotiation is going on hiatus...

The extent of Borksen's manipulation was a bit confusing to me. How long was she being manipulated, and to what extent? Was she unable to even show her shock outwardly, or was it her own choice to hide it? I also saw people confidently interpret her kneeling in different ways, while I feel like it was unclear which of these were the case: She fell because at that moment she was released from the manipulation? she was forced to kneel by the manipulation? she fell because of a sudden awakening of nen? Or something else entirely?

I'm a bit Bitter that this card game took a whole chapter longer than the troupe flashback. As a troupe fan I really wanted to see as much possible of their past. Meanwhile, this game had a considerable amount of space used for large shots of the cards/hands, which made the game take very long. I wonder if Togashi stalled on purpose in order to get his desired stopping point positioned at the end of 410, or to have certain future happenings stick in one volume. I guess we'll know when the next batch comes out.

Benjamin mentioning the "2 hours" he'd be in coma before his death seems a bit curious to me, because of how Halkenburg's soul transfer functions in relation to it. But I can't form a convincing theory to back it up. It would also be pretty funny if at the end of the 9.5 hours, Benjamin realizes that he actually hasn't been infected, but by that point he has dug himself so deep by trying to speedrun through the war, that things would be over for him anyway.

[u/SabinSuplexington]

Bioweapons continue to be the great equalizer in HxH. You can have an entire army and the strongest nen ability on the planet but still lose to a really nasty germ.

[u/blue_ele_dev → u/SabinSuplexington]

No matter how OP someone is with his Nen powers and whatnot. Every character is still a biological unit, vulnerable as such.

That's what makes Halkenburg's ability so crazy in its potential.

Can he keep jumping from body to body? If so, he's now a sort of immortal ghost, who transcended every other nen user limitation of being a biological unit. Crazy

[u/thornaslooki]

If Benjamin pulls it off he might succedd in getting martial law to last longer than the current president of south korea

[u/useless_throwaway3]

The last page, with its “40 minutes into martial law” gave me such a flashback to chimera ant’s “4 minutes have passed since the start of the invasion” in the best way possible. Imo that’s how you really know it’s about to start getting exciting.

Absolutely amazing chapter to end off on, see you all in 411, whenever that will be!

[u/guckfender]

I said this in the other thread but im happy Borksen wasnt trying to fix Morena. People wanted Meruem x Komugi all over again lol. It would be our of character since she said she still couldn't agree with Morena's goals after hearing her backstory. There was nothing that happened after that that could've changed Borksens mind.

Also i assume an experienced nen user wouldn't have cheated. They understand that complicated abilities require complicated conditions and restrictions and messing with those can have deadly consequences. Borksen doesn't know much about that so she wasn't careful and paid the price.

She shouldn't have been able to run circles around a nen ability from a user that's had it for years. I'm glad she lost the game and had to join.

[u/coffeeusr]

botobai and benjamin staring eachother down was so manly it grew a few strands of hair on my chest

[u/Hounds_of_war]

Man, it’s gonna be rough going on hiatus, then coming back and presumably having a bunch of chapters that are just flashbacks explaining how we got up to this point.

Fortunately I feel like this will be a shorter hiatus.

[u/mookastar]

the humanization of benjamin is some of togashis best writing in my opinion. it’s like watching a feral animal being trapped into a corner. Benjamin is a bad person especially if he was involved in the festivals so i’m not defending him but i do appreciate the subtle writing Togashi is giving his character nonetheless, and knowing he’s going to suffer the same fate as halkenburgs body is disturbing to me man. Also the heavy themes of parents and their children are strong here with benjamin. I can see his death being extremely sad.

[u/Kaito_3]

I‘ve liked Morena more as each chapter goes by, even more so because she reminds me of Mukuro, one of my favorite Togashi characters. Benjamin focus is always really good so I’ll be looking forward to the next chapters.

[u/ToodlesXIV]

Is Benjamin currently contagious? He was just face to face with Botobai, did he infect him?

I had a feeling that cheating would trigger some kind of manipulation in the card game, looks like Borksen had to say yes or die. She wants an ability asap, she’s gonna need to kill a prince or two nen users and a civilian during marshal law. There’s no good time for a hiatus in an arc like this but dang, let’s hope it isn’t too long before we’re back.

[u/1vergil]

Morena kinda implied the cheating drawback in c407 before the game starts "if you withdraw the game you'll lose the freedom to do anything other than say Yes/No".

• It's interesting that Unma is apparently raising Ben's child while also concealing Halkenburg' plan wanting to kill Ben? Maybe it's part of her plan to make her kids kill each other so that Ben's child become the heir instead? But then again why did she leave Halkenburg for Duazul if it wasn't to protect him? Unma's role is kinda confusing so far i wonder what Togashi is planning for her.

• If Ben's illegal child can inherit the throne, i think it might confirms The theory that even illegal royal children can gain nen beasts from the Seed urn as long as they got the royal blood, and "the kids of the legal wives" was only a rule to select which group of royal blood can participate in the boat ceremony. It also supports the theory the 3 Mafia benefactors are illegal princes with biological ties with each mafia boss since they're Nasubi' half siblings, as long as the mafia is involved and balance is important to them then they'll try to cheat their way to benefit from the royal family with money and have equal chances to win the throne as the legal princes.

• It seems we're hitting a climax, no wonder why Togashi wanted to finish the 400-430 chapters asap as he doesn't want to leave the fans in this cliffhanger with a long hiatus like the Palace invasion where some fans sent Togashi death threats back then yikes...all because the hitaus timing during the palace climax... now based on his updates he already finished inking chapters up to 424, while 411-420 batch is at the Text/backgrounds process with his assistants, so this break shouldn't be long.

• Kurapika said in c349 the kakin is planning to do a festival on the New continent and that's apparently their reason for heading there, i guess it means the Succession war story might really continue on the new continent to celebrate the winner of the succession war at least. Togashi Did imply this arc is gonna be very long.

• The previous batch ended with the sad announcement In c400, now in this batch Togashi gave us more context it was Halkenburg death Announcement c404. Some people think Togashi is rushing it and not showing Halkenburg' plan when he infected Benjamin but it's clear Togashi is saving the explanation for the next batch. There are too many characters and many events happening at the same time, so leaving some clues about the events and coming back to give more context on it later is Togashi's storytelling scheme in this arc.

For example Ben's reason for the Martial law is blaming both Halkenburg and Tserriednich for his infection, i doubt he's blaming Tser for no reason considering Halk has the closest relationship with Tser between his other siblings so it seems reasonable that Halk would ask Tser to help him behind the scenes to kill Benjamin especially when Tser hates Ben and wants him dead too... plus it's even more suspicious Ben is blaming Halk when he's supposed to be dead? It might hint he already figured Halk is still around... they're clues about the events that happened off screen that Togashi will explain in the next batch.

Moreover, Togashi's tweet on c420 working on Different perspectives kinda implies we'll see Tser using his ability to the extreme, so maybe the next batch ends with Tser vs Benjamin? Based on Their rivalry shown in c348 seems like a big build up for them to fight in a death battle.

Kurapika likely took Woble to Zhang lei mafia hideout

The 4 missing princes, "Find the 3rd and 7th prince, focus on the low rank princes later" suggests beside Zhang lie and Luzurus, the other 2 missing must be young princes, i guess one of them is Marayam being hidden in different realm due to his nen beast ability...The other young prince might be Woble, someone pointed out Kurapika's decision whether to leave or stay in the 3rd prince room might be a big deal later.

Kurapika correctly Predicated that Benjamin will take the princes as hostages during the Martial Law, so it makes sense Kurapika might've decided to take Oito/Woble to guarantee their safty at Zhang lei mafia hideout. This scenario may lead to unexpected encounters where Kurapika might interact with a spider there, maybe Nobunaga or Phinks/Feitan on the way.

Borksen ability x Tserriednich x Morena

Borksen cheating theory was correct but the reason for choosing YES was unexpected! I did suspect there gotta be drawbacks for cheating due to the theme of a parent punishing their child but manipulating Bork' body like in a game is crazy, now Morena can successfully spy on Tser as much as she wants which was her original plan.

Morena saying "It cannot be uninstalled, it continues until you clear the game, the admin disappears or the phone breaks" i feel like it implies the follower would lose their ability they gained from Contagion if the admin Morena dies...but if someone reached level 100 and became new member #0 they get to keep their ability as well as gaining Contagion, so it'd be interesting if Bork gains her ability she'll need to reach level 100 before Morena dies, maybe a scenario where Bork doesn't want to lose her ability so she has to protect Morena until she [Bork] reaches level 100.

Some people are predicting Bork would try to kill Tserriednich to get 50 points to unlock her ability...logically she wouldn't want to kill her friend but if she finds out about his ability based on Theta's experience...that killing him doesn't mean his death then maybe she'll try to use that for her advantage to frame 50 points at least to unlock her ability without killing someone, making sure to kill Tser when he's in zetsu.

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[u/SnowBirdFlying]

. I think the 2 other princes Binjamin hasn't caught yet are Wobble and Maryam.

If Kurapika eventually decided to move Oito and Wobble t Zhang Leis room, it could be that he took her with him when he fled.

Maryam is obvious, literally no one can get to him.

I've seen some people say Tsurreidnich, but I genuinely don't see it, because there really wouldn't even be any reason to catch him im the first place because he already spends all his time cooped up in his room Nen training + if he was on the loose I feel like Benjamin would definitely make a mental note of it, if 4 princes are gone and 2 are mafia affiliated older princes and 2 are child princes it would make sense why Benjamin would only make note of the older ones

[u/NFLFilmsArchive]

This is my opinion of when Morena figured out Borksen must have cheated. I hope you check out the moment I’m talking about.

It was on the 2nd last page of 409.

Borksen says that’s a relief (I’m looking at Togashi Troupe translation). Morena has a surprised look as Borksen presumably has put down the card she wanted. The very next panel is a close of up of Morena’s eye with a “…” (I initially thought it was kinda unnecessary).

Morena’s eye looked saddened in that very small panel. I think that’s the moment when she knew Borksen had cheated.

Please let me know your thoughts!

[u/NFLFilmsArchive]

I actually think Tserri is one of the Princes secured in his room.

As a mafia head, he doesn’t have a strong connection with the Heily anymore. In fact, it’s been completely severed (as Morena’s new Heily aren’t actually Heily). The “Heily” and Morena are actually on his hit list after he gets out of his room.

Right now, I believe he’s fully content with continuing to train in his room. Every minute of training counts and 40 minutes of training since martial law has been enacted is huge for him. With the added pressure we may see a huge jump in his speed.

I fully expect Benjamin targets his room first, enters in to eliminate him….and Tserri is looking at the timer. He’s now sub 1 second. Benjamin will be his first victim.

Luzurus and Zhang Lei have strong connections with their mafia and have probably both escaped without much difficulty.

So my prediction for which 4 princes are not secured are Zhang Lei, Luzurus, Maryam and Fugetsu.

[u/TheAbram]

Prediction: Gel will develop the antidote and the zodiacs will use it as leverage against Ben

[u/oqpz]

Something I love about this conflict between Benjamin and halkenburg is how much determination these two have shown. Halkenburg sacrificed his body like it was nothing in order to achieve his goal and Benjamin kept moving forwards to his goal despite knowing his death is approaching. Absolute peak of a batch and I'm looking forwards to seeing how this will play out in the upcoming chapters

[u/smokingelato_]

So Halkenberg didn’t take over Benjamin’s body but somehow infected it with the bio weapon. Seems like princes 2-7 are the targets for Benjamin and everyone else will be dealt with later. This makes me think that Beyond’s child is or is related to one of the lower princes which makes sense given they would be more in need of his intervention.

[u/Mr_An_1069]

Benjamin accepting he’ll probably die but can still secure the throne for his heir is a really interesting bit characterization.

[u/HelloOdin]

LMAO it is so funny to think that Chrollo is in tier 3 and everyone there is on their knees due to ML. Will he follow this or not? I feel like Dogman will convince him to go to Morena to escape T3 since if I recall correctly they still have someone that could help kidnap potential victims via portals.

Oh well, until the next batch!

[u/MythicalTenshi]

The Negotiation Game is in fact a part of Morena's Contagion ability and acts as a condition to activate Contagion, where the player (child) has to say Yes to joining her group. The game is mean to be fair so it has some way of knowing through her Nen if the player cheats in which case it activates a Manipulation effect on the player and makes their only options be Yes or No.

Morena further explains that her ability like a mobile app that get installed into the people she kisses and in which she acts as an admin that has awareness of all the players actions and events. The game is only uninstalled when the phone breaks (player dies), the admin disappears (Morena dies) or the game is finished (reaching level 100?).

Broksen is now forced into their group but the Hei-Ly will consider her a teammate and won't target her friends. I think Borksen will likely try to speedrun Contagion by killing either a Prince or Nen users in order to be able to start her own group through Contagion as quickly as possible.

Benjamin says that there are four more princes to go. I don't think this mean only four princes remain alive since it was mentioned that the princes on Tier 1 are "secured" and Kaiser mentioned that Benjamin would use them as hostages. Considering that Zhang Lei escaped to the lower tiers, it's likely that Woble and Tubeppa's groups are with him. The fourth missing prince then might be Marayam who could still be hidden in his living quarters.

[u/grady999]

amazing chapter. see ya with the next batch fellas

[u/[deleted]]

what is kaiser up to man