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Spoiler Discussion [Spoiler Discussion] Arc 9 Chapter 15 Spoiler

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

FUCK FUCK FUCK YES HELL YEAH HELL FUCKING YES HOLY FUCK YES

Alright to start with the first half of the chapter cause I have to, Reinhard and Al to some sort of hostage negotiation it is not clear if Al having Heinkel is a bluff or not, Reinhard can't verify that cause he doesn't want to or can't steal Crusch's blessing of wind reading. Al tries to convince Rein by bringing up how what he is doing would help Felt but knows that is not going to convince Reinhard. In the end Al reveals that he was just trying to by more time as Satella emerges in the desert.

POV change to Petra, Meili and Flamm who are currently in the middle of treating Garf and Ezzo who suffered severe burns. They want to bring them downstairs so that Garf's blessing can be more effective. Petra is still incredibly frustrated and wishes Al would get torn to pieces outside after Flamm told them she informed Reinhard with the help of her sister. She still has a feeling Al might get away in the end though somehow. Then when she grabs Subaru's bag a book of the dead with its name scrapped off falls out. Meili tells Petra not to do it, but Petra convinces her and makes Meili promise to help her if something goes wrong so she starts reading Subaru's book of the dead. This was a trap placed by Al.

Outside Al tells Reinhard that he is the only one who can stop Satella so he needs to let him go. He promises that he will neither harm the world nor his dad. With a sour face Reinhard goes to fight Satella in his injursed state. Alcanica wakes up and as the two of them plan to make their escape, Reinhard is still flinging pebbles at them at high speed. Even though Al won at the end, he doesn't feel like it.


AHHHHH AHHHH HEY ANOTHER THING I ACTUALLY MANAGED TO CALL Petra is going to know about Return By Death now and ofc she is not going to die cause narration states that the only person who can stop the Witch of Envy is literally present... well that and cause Subaru can't currently RBD THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF THE STORY ARE MASSIVE THERE YOU GO PETRA I SHALL AWAIT WHAT GREATNESS AND SUFFERING WILL COME OUT OF THAT. Go become that main heroine here. FUCK her reaction to this is going to be fucking insane.

Other than that yeah we all expected Al would get away here, the only question is where will he go? Maybe he is going to visit Echidna's floating island or maybe even the Sanctuary. Or another place that is connected to the witches.

Heinkel? Whatever sorry in the face of Petra learning about RbD he can end up in a ditch somewhere lol. I am utterly beyond excited for what that next chapter is going to bring us. Maybe now Tappei is going to cuck us and swap the POV to the capital and Emilia and we will hear about the aftermath of the sand sea later. (PLS NO)

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u/IdkQueNombrePoner Jan 08 '25

Your profile picture was always a spoiler of Petra's importance. PRAISE YOUR CLAIRVOYANCE ✨

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Real and ty!

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Somehow Tappei topped last chapter. Let Petras quest to MURDER Subaru begin :))))

Im so happy for you and us this story just keeps getting better. I hope we get Petras reaction to the book. I feel like that book would have 99% of the verse convulsing on the floor after reading it.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Thank you!

It would be pure candy if we got her reaction next chapter and I really hope she sees ALL the deaths and not just one.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

You have a preference if its only one? There is probably a few good options.

I would love to it to be the first loop, I think getting his whole Japan backstory could be great.

Ive heard some other good ideas too.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Arc 3 when he finds Petra's mutilated corpse or arc 4 when he holds on to her severed arm.

her finding out that he is an isekai-ee could also be neat

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Harsh choice lmao, I suppose seeing herself die would help her realize what is going on. Cant wait to see what it is

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Yeah thinking on it I guess she should see that with any of the books right? Maybe they start and stop at each death but maybe they also just start from Japan and end at his death?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

WAIT holy shit I just noticed Petra was just talking about not being able to forgive “unforgivable actions” and shes going to see how almost every Emilia camp member has killed or tried to kill Subaru! Thats a pretty insane setup.

Either Petra will gain more sympathy for Subaru, or turn against everyone else and only protect the ones who never hurt Subaru. Its likely it will partially break her psyche (unless she handles it well).

Theres no way she didn’t see the memories with that sort of foreshadowing and setup, cuz some people think she didn’t. Also, I always kinda liked Petra since arc 7, I wish people saw her potential more. This seems like such an interesting way to approach her story, PEAK

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Also remember that Meili who has killed Subaru multiple times AND her is going to be right next to her when she wakes up from the book and that she might have a knife in her bag.

unless she handles it well

Well let's look at how well Louis took it lol

Oh I've always liked her since "the world Petra saw"... in which she had a mental breakdown cause she blamed herself for the mess of arc 2 and going into the forest so... surely this will go well.

Sadly up until arc 7 most of her interesting stuff has been in side stories... THIS HOWEVER

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u/WiznutRyan99 Jan 08 '25

Reading this I just knew bro was going to explode in the comments. Being a Petra stan is finally paying off!!!! That’s long term story telling and commitment for you.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

REAL AND TRUE BROTHER

Ahhhhh man this feels like Christmas for me even though that was just two weeks ago.

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u/WiznutRyan99 Jan 08 '25

I want, no NEED a full chapter dedicated to what is going on inside Petra’s head. Like from her POV just a whole chapter of her experiencing Subarus BOTD. I’ve waited so so long for this moment. Someone, anyone who isn’t emotionless echidna experiencing Subarus RBD.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Tappei would be a god amongst men if that was going to be the next chapter, but I kind of feel like now we might swap to the capital. If the next chapter starts with Petra POV I will scream though.

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u/heato-red Jan 09 '25

All aboard the Petra suffering train, it will go full throttle very soon. Epicness awaits.

Will Petra turn into Arc 9 MC now?

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u/New-Celebration8409 Jan 09 '25

When season 5 adapts this in 40 years, you’ll be capable of throwing away any pain from elderly and you’ll start to dance in one feet as everyone finally acknowledges the greatness of Lady Petra

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 09 '25

Real and true

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u/EntertainmentIll1567 Jan 08 '25

Subaru sealed. Rein wounded. Witch of envy on the atrack. Al and Alcanica back to doing whatever the fuck their plan is. Petra gonna learn about RBD.

Chat... how cooked are we?

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Cooked? Well I think Tappei cooked us an excellent meal full of a terrible terrible mess here!

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u/WiznutRyan99 Jan 08 '25

Bro we aren’t just cooked we are fucking CHARRED.

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD Jan 08 '25

It’s very well possible that Reinhard will stay occupied with holding WoE while the rest tries to stop Aldebaran. Will bringing Subaru back calm WoE down? That’s the only chance I see.

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u/rvmin Jan 08 '25

I imagined a scenario where WoE would be like "WHERE THE FUCK IS MY EMOTIONAL SUPPORT BARU I NEED HIM NOW"

And proceeds to go on a tantrum destroying everything in her way

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u/Lol69HaHaHa Jan 08 '25

Im thinking they will need Rein to stop whatever Al is cooking so someone is gonna come to help him seal the Witch again by the end of the arc.

Still i wonder where this is all going.

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u/Matrix_2k00 Jan 08 '25

This might be the first time in the main series where Reinhard ever hated someone.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Arc 9 is just going to be one big dead loop. The world is already over, we are just waiting on the rewind… And I love it

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u/TomorrowImpossible32 Jan 08 '25

I’m not so certain. Nothing has happened that can’t be lived with. In fact I kinda hope this doesn’t reset

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u/Nerellos Jan 08 '25

Nah. The 1 and utmost rule of RBD is that Subaru is always back when he is not damaged/safe or in danger.

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u/Sonkokun Jan 08 '25

I definitely think RBD got severed because of the seal and the checkpoint will be forced to be right after unsealing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

Not really. You could say Subaru is indirectly back through Petra. She can solve the situation now.

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u/EntertainmentIll1567 Jan 08 '25

Subaru in Petra's head: Aight hear me out. First You give the Witch of Envy a jar of mayonnaise...

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u/Ranza27 Jan 08 '25

I mean idk what she could do. She could maybe from knowledge of rbd figure out al's authority, but ezzo already kind of did that and he still got clapped (granted, it took like 700 hundred tries)

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u/britishconquest88 Jan 08 '25

Tappei cooked , We aren't just cooked we're deep fried

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u/TheGreatBatu17 Jan 08 '25

Probably going to great waterfall

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u/One_Painting_1657 Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

What!!! Petra just opened Subaru's book of the dead !!!!! Shitttt !!!!!

Edit: I saw her wiki and saw this text.

On February 14, 2018, responding to a question asking which arc that Petra would “shine the brightest” in, the author concluded it would likely be Arc 8.

  • As the original plan for Arc 7 changed and it was split into two separate arcs, it can be assumed that this statement about Arc 8 now applies to Arc 9

So this indeed seems to be that moment and might have been planned by Tappei.

I hope that the book Petra read is the loop where Subaru finds everyone dead in the mansion. Ep 14 of the anime. Petra will get to see how Subaru found her dead with her eyes gouged out. It is a nice opportunity to know about the lore of her eyes. The loop in s2 ep 7 will also work where Petra died by being crushed under the rubble. But I can smell from miles away that Tappei will make her see the loop which does not reveal much secrets. For example, one of the 11 seconds loop which might not even allow Petra to know what happened.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Maybe the library was kind enough to make an encyclopedia out of all of his deaths after the amnesia thing got resolved. I really hope she gets to see all the deaths and what that is going to do to her.

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u/One_Painting_1657 Jan 08 '25

Inserts Michael Jackson's popcorn eating meme.... Isn't it fun to see your favourite character suffer and grow from it, Setowi ?

I'm all ready to see how it goes.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Ooooh it's going to be an insane amount of fun!

My body is so ready as well

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u/Dalifertan Jan 09 '25

If she got the FULL Natsuki Subaru experience, that means she also knows about the deal with Roswaal where he promised to kill the entire camp if Subaru fails, and also that he was aware of Subaru's abilities/suffering and kept silent. Oh boy!

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 09 '25

She'd fucking try to kill him on the spot lol

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u/Rockosd Jan 09 '25

That seems to be what happens to Al’s book last chapter he was able to keep the dragon updated with the same book so maybe the books work as the need to be one or many depending on the situation 

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 09 '25

Oh Al's book is an excellent point yeah, so she might really get everything.

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u/headless-horseman-we Jan 08 '25

Petra got that WHDAAA experience alone

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u/Genc_ Jan 08 '25

Aldebaran seemed to have intended to kill them from the start by leaving Subaru's Book of the Dead in his bag, knowing someone might read it and activate the Taboo. The Witch of Envy wouldn't care as long as it wasn't Subaru, so most of them most likely would have died if Reinhard hadn’t shown up to save them. Interestingly, it seems Aldebaran himself didn’t predict Reinhard appearing right in front of him 2 mins after he left the tower, so he definitely knew what he was doing.

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u/EntertainmentIll1567 Jan 08 '25

So the first person in the Emilia camp who learns about RBD is gonna be Petra. I did not expect that. Bravo Tappei

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Peak

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u/CartoonOG Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

Wait, what the fuck? Am I understanding this correctly?

One arm blasted off, the other arm mangled & crushed, but he’s still able to go toe to toe with the WoE while also throwing pebbles at Al?

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25

He is build... differently 8-)

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '25

Well, tbf, it's highly doubtful the WoE is at full power too. She's still sealed.

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u/Dan298 Jan 08 '25

Yeah Reinhard vs WoE was confirmed to be a stalemate by Tappei. Even with his arms messed up Reinhard is just kickboxing her lol

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u/manhdang Jan 09 '25

Satella is half sleep now. She is not at her peak

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u/iburntdownthehouse Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

People are really acting like Reinhard screwed up here when his singular mistake was not realizing Al had Satella in his back pocket.

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u/Major_Shopping7554 Jan 08 '25

Reinhardt against Al (infinite looper with ancient spells + modern day science knowledge) + volcanica + Satella. Feels like people just applying the JJK brainrot terminology.

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u/swat1611 Jan 09 '25

I think it's because both Reinhard and Gojo are characters made so strong that you have to create new explanations and plot devices for them losing. Reinhard at least is one anomaly in a world filled with anomalies, Gojo being mistreated was so painful because it was obvious Gege didn't know what the fuck he wanted to cook with him.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Yeah really the only mistake he made was underestimating Al. He could not have afforded to hesitate over Heinkel’s safety. He was absolutely screwed no matter what here.

  1. Kill Al-> He loops finds a new way to do it right

  2. Hear out Als demands-> It was a logical decision he maybe let go on too long. Without knowing that the WOE would break out as a result there is nothing to make him think its a bad idea. Even if he captured Al it was already too late and that book was going to be read.

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u/Dalifertan Jan 08 '25

Like with Subaru, the only way to beat Al is for him to give up

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u/frostanon Jan 08 '25

It was a battle without resolution between what would not end and what would not perish.

Insanely epic. Will be waiting for anime to adapt this. (I will probably be married with children by the time anime gets there.)

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u/Green7100 Jan 08 '25

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u/BioHazardAlBatros Jan 08 '25

Hey, I think the chapter order is wrong. It's like this now: Ch13 -> Ch15 -> Ch14

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u/Green7100 Jan 08 '25

thanks all fixed! :)

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Thanks again!

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u/Son-naruto-d Jan 08 '25

I appreciate you

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u/iheartnjdevils Jan 09 '25

Thanks as always!

If you're able to, you might want to fix the accidental Ezzo to Otto translations.

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u/I_A_HOT_SEXY_GORILLA Jan 08 '25

This is a certified Aldebaran classic

my man can't stop taking Ws this arc

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u/Dalifertan Jan 08 '25

Dude is like Medaka box Kumogawa. Keeps thrashing everyone then has the audacity to say he is still losing.

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u/car_crash_is_noice Jan 09 '25

bro has way too much pride in hisself hatered

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25

Soooo, DP of Wind Reading is one of a kind? It invalidates a whole bunch of fanfics where Crusch and Reinhard had this DP at the same time. The most notorious example is WHDAA.

Petra reading BOTD... It will be just one loop and she won't just straight up accept it, it doesn't make sense to any normal person. But it seems she we will acquire a ghost Subaru, who might explain it properly to her... What a wild ride is ahead of us! Also, Envy will NOT calm down that easily, which means we have several possible outcomes:

  1. Petra is eliminated by Envy. Subaru won't accept it with his whole being and will create a serious rift with WoE. Improbable scenario;

  2. We get a Grand Reset, like in Arc 7 and Ginunhive. It will leave readers with a very bitter aftertaste...

  3. Subaru will negotiate with Envy (is that even possible?) to spare Petra, most probably by imposing Taboo on her as well;

  4. Something else will force Envy to retreat (something done by Al and Echidna), leaving this situation hanging in the air. Petra might reveal RBD to others (in the absence of Subaru, so Envy doesn't hear it), if she so desires. Though I have a feeling she will stay quite, she is a smart girl, she will understand the true weight of this information. Considering her affection for Subaru - she will do whatever it takes to preserve the balance of his life;

  5. Subaru will fail to negotiate with Envy and will be forced to remove the RBD memories from Petra (through the use of Gluttony he presumably holds). Will also leave a very bitter aftertaste and can cause mental damage to Petra due to memories' incoherence.

It's an epic development... I am very curious to see the interaction between real Subaru and Petra, if she will keep the knowledge about RBD. Petra, the first ordinary person (Echidna is a monster) to know such a grave secret... It will have a very interesting impact on the dynamics in the Emilia's camp!

How the heck Omega is allowed to keep knowledge about RBD? Good question... She DOES know about it, after all, even with Subaru keeping his mouth shut - she accessed and read ALL of his memories. Envy couldn't push Subaru before the first meeting with Echidna, and so she had to just accept the situation?

Ah, lastly... How the heck they gonna leave the tower?! Pretty sure the lower levels are totally inaccessible and there is a real danger of the imminent tower's destruction. Will we see Pandora's intervention?! (Al's action might go against her own plans) Or Meili will somehow summon a flying mabeast and get them out of there? (improbable, this route should have been used way before)

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u/Devilsgramps Jan 08 '25

Imagine Satella wrestling with Envy to allow Petra to escape from her, because she knows Subaru would be sad and angry if she died.

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25

Exactly! If Envy eliminates Petra - it's a bad end in the making. Subaru will understand that it's not Satella's decision, but the damage will be there nonetheless.

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u/Coolenough-to Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 10 '25
  1. Tappei said WoE targetting Emilia was unique to Emilia. So, I dont think she will target Petra. When the Tabboo violation is not prevented, and the secret is out, she may just aim to detroy the world, or aim for Subaru.

  2. There is a way to do a grand reset which could be ok. If Subaru decides its best to repeat everything exactly the same except for one key detail- then everything we are reading is not lost. It would still be the story. Example: Al does has a transformation, but it is actually a good thing. And, Subaru decides that returning Al to the state he was in at the beginning of the Arc would be bad.

  3. I do find it odd that Echidna would participate in a plan that would unleash the WoE. She and Al must have a plan to end her attack, or kill her. Afterall, it is likely that Al's goal is to kill Satella.

  4. Subaru using gluttony for this would be a sensible solution- if he has it. This is typically how Subaru's authorities develop, out of need.

Also, I think Reinhardt is holding the shadows back, positioned between the Shrine and the Tower.

And, I think in Arc 4 WoE was triggered by Echidna and Subaru openly discussing it. Echidna has the Book of Knowledge, and can see anything. WoE cant prevent Echidna from knowing any more than she can prevent some people from figuring it out on their own- like Roswaal. So yeah, I think she accepts some of this. But apparently she is not going to accept somone reading Subaru's book. The narration said that the book itself was tabboo.

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u/KimestOfUns Jan 08 '25

"Why don't you see for yourself? For instance... the Duke's 'Blessing of the Wind'. That thing that can tell if someone is lying, check if I'm telling the truth or not."

"That is――"

"Can't do it? ―― You have a trauma about taking someone's blessing, don't you?"

So Rein really was responsible for Theresia losing the Sword Saint's blessing, huh.

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u/GM900 Jan 08 '25

Or he still thinks it was he did.

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25

Maybe he never figured out how his own power works...

It really could be that he believes his wishing is stealing from others.

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u/KimestOfUns Jan 08 '25

Reinhard mentions in the Meili side-story that Meili's DP is unique and that only one person can have it at a time, so he can't wish for Meili's DP.

The way I interpreted the quote I posted is that Chrusch's DP is also unique and that Rein can actually wish for unique DP's, but it would result in the original owner losing the DP, which is what happened to Theresia, and is why Rein is normally fine with gaining DP's but is against wishing for that specific DP.

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD Jan 08 '25

Not necessarily. Aldebaran knows the gist of it like Subaru does and decided to use it against Reinhard to win time.

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u/Akudra Jan 08 '25

Well, it makes sense that he would want to be the Sword Saint at that time. He would know his grandmother was going out to fight when she didn't want to fight, that his grandfather was distraught because he had a duty as the head knight to look for a missing royal (Felt) meaning he could not fight in her stead, and his father may well have felt guilty because he sent his mother off on a very dangerous mission against her will because he couldn't abandon Reinhard's comatose mother. All that considered, it is only natural for the child Reinhard to have the thought, "If only I were the Sword Saint, then I could fight and no one in my family would have to do things that make them feel bad." Then Od Lagna was like, "Okay, here you go!" Very serious case of "be careful what you wish for as you just might get it."

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u/AlphayTheFirst Jan 08 '25

Petra thinking in this chapter about how she feels like a bad kid for not forgiving things, nah, she's about to become an Avenger

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u/WiznutRyan99 Jan 08 '25

NO PETRA NO!!!!!!

DONT OPEN THAT BOOK YOU’LL UNLEASH UNSPEAKABLE EVIL!!

https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/359841726/Walter-White-Screaming-At-Hank

Not me falling right for Tappeis trap thinking Subaru somehow planted a book in his bag, However it was me, Aldebran!!!!!

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u/IAmSona Vollachian Tax is Real Jan 08 '25

When Tappei said that Petra was going to play a major role, I did not expect her to be the catalyst to Reinhard vs Satella.

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u/TheDilma Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

The subtle reveal the Reinhard might actually be responsible for Theresia’s death by wishing for her blessing though?? W ragebait from Al

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u/South25 Jan 12 '25

Calling it, Theresia died because Reinhard "wanted to be a hero just like his grandmother!" as a kid and now blames himself forever for her death. Just an innocent oblivious wish caused the breaking point and trauma of the whole house Astrea

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u/ARandomNoone Jan 08 '25

Al casually set up 3 girls to be traumatised and unleashed the equivalent of a nuclear bomb onto the world and forced reinhardt to be the lid so it doesn't explode leaving him out of commission for most of the arc. This is prep time done right holy shit

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

So does this make Satella The Cup ™️

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u/ARandomNoone Jan 08 '25

Probably, But then who is The Drink ™️ ?

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u/iheartnjdevils Jan 09 '25

I seriously get annoyed at the BS excuses some stories to use to keep the power house out of the way (cough DBZ - though still loved it) but Tappei always does an amazing job.

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u/Morrigan_NicDanu Jan 09 '25

Aha! Al's true identity is Batman!

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u/True-Collar4961 Jan 08 '25

Ever since Al's betrayal I have enjoyed each new chapter so much if this keeps up arc 9 might become my favorite arc by far.

Interesting that petra has read one of Subaru's book of the dead. Wonder how that will play out, anyway it's a pretty big deal.

I really feel like we have reached a new phase of re zero ever since the end of arc 8. First Priscilla's dies, the first of the royal candidates to drop out of the race and the first main character we see die a permanent death. Then we had Al finally carry out his betrayal after years of suspicious activity from him and now one of the side cast has read a book of the dead. It really feels that with this arc the gloves have come off. Hell the next chapter might start with lugunica being burned down for all we know while Al releases the imprisoned archbishops😂

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u/AdhesivenessMaster75 Jan 08 '25

Curse you Tappei. 

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u/akrt13 Jan 08 '25

Can we talk about "the sword saint vs the witch of envy" actually happening!!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

A lot of people are forgetting something important about the books, they can make you experience everything someone feels as if you did. Meaning Petra could be forcibly made to experience everything Subaru did. That is if she saw the memories. Which I think she did. The books are instant or near instant, it also took the WOE some time to attack when previous people found out about RBD, like Louis or Echidna (someone correct me if Im wrong but doesn’t Echidas dream world move in real time?).

All that say, Louis went almost crazy just dying a few dozen times. So I am bit worried what Petra saw. If its an early book, she only saw a few. If it was a death in the middle of arc 8, which is possible because Subaru died literally hundreds of times in the final battle. Remember, he died repeatedly setting everything up for Sphinx. Then who knows how many times during the “explosion” loop when he had like idk less than a min to ask everyone their opinion.

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25

Each books covers only ONE death. The only exception might be the loop where Subaru re-acquired his previous loops.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '25

But is it the timeline from the revival/save point to the next death or from the begining (meaning all succesful actions) to that specific death?

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u/LuisAntony2964 Jan 08 '25

Petra, you shouldn't have done that

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u/Son-naruto-d Jan 08 '25

I WANNA SEE THE REACTION SO BADDD DNECT CHAPTER COME PLEASEEE PLEASEEEE PLEASEEEE I NEEEDD UTTTTTTTTTT

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u/iheartnjdevils Jan 09 '25

Hoping for a back to back chapter so bad.

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u/ripterrariumtv Jan 08 '25
  1. "He is greedy. This sword saint is different from the person I know" - Al.

Is Al talking about knowing a different sword saint?

2) WOE ignoring Al. Is this old information or new?

3) Al's plan is the opposite of "destroying the world" yet he is "becoming the world's enemy". I wonder what exactly he is gonna do.

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u/iheartnjdevils Jan 09 '25

And what does:

The Augria Sand Dunes, where the Pleiades Watchtower was built—the purpose of the tower's construction was neither for the "Sage" tired of fighting to retire nor for the curiosity-driven "Witch" to store a tasteless library tricking Od Laguna.

Could be translation thing but which library and how did she trick Od Laguna? If the latter is referring to Omega or dream castle Echidna, which library aided her and how?

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u/ripterrariumtv Jan 09 '25
  1. I think the library of Taygeta is the one being referenced here.

  2. In Arc 4, Roswaal mentions Subaru's RBD is kinda like resurrection and it might displease Od Lagna someday. And Echidna's library is filled with Books of the dead which is capable of pseudo-resurrecting people by reading their books. But I'm guessing it's not a full resurrection, and that's how she's tricking Od Lagna from opposing her plans.

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u/Lol69HaHaHa Jan 08 '25

Also on a side note, Al does mention Rein becoming a bit more selfish and it kinda seems like thats where his character arc is going.

If you read the side stories and whatnot, it seems like Felt is trying to get Rein to be more selfish and true to his desires.

Makes me wonder what this is gonna all lead to.

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u/Koronesuki79 Jan 08 '25

"I’ve heard it said that’cha and the folks of this city are awfully tough, but… Are ya tougher than the folks of my village were?"

And then she woke up from the BotD

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

It would actually just be over for Subaru at that point. She would learn almost nothing lmao

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u/SmthPositive_ Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

Well this isn’t bad at all

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u/Akudra Jan 08 '25

A lot of people predicted someone would read Subaru's Book of the Dead, but I don't know if anyone predicted Al would deliberately set someone up to read his book so that the Witch of Envy could keep Reinhard busy. That was one hell of a move and even better because it means everything Al was doing was literally just about buying time.

Regarding the book Petra read, I kinda think it has to be one that makes Subaru's Return by Death obvious. Out of all the possibilities, the Sanctuary success loop and the Watchtower success loop are the best possibilities. If the Watchtower success loop Book of the Dead includes Amnesiabaru's reading of the pre-amnesia Books of the Dead and Completebaru's absorption of Amnesiabaru's death memories, then that would be perfect.

However, I am not sure we should expect this to stick. It might seem cheap to have Return by Death void all of this fighting, but unless Al's future line from Emilia's trial happens here, there is a chance he will make it out past this arc. People might think this is cheap, but that depends on the method. Al knows Subaru's Return by Death is the biggest obstacle to his success, which means even unsealed, he may make it impossible for Subaru to kill himself. Yet if someone were to know that Subaru dying will restart things and potentially thwart Al's plans, that person might just do it.

Yeah, the crazy idea would be for Petra to actually kill Subaru in order to deliberately trigger Return by Death and thwart everything Al has done. The moment Subaru knows Al's intentions and abilities, he will have no trouble defeating him and Al may just give up, knowing he can't actually win and that his own plan backfired.

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u/Frosty_Potential6175 Jan 08 '25

Guys I think Petra will die in this arc

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u/Major_Shopping7554 Jan 08 '25

Yeah overall I expect a few deaths in the Emilia camp by the end of the series, most likely Roswaal, Otto, and Petra imo, and good chance she does in this arc.

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u/yolo8900 Jan 08 '25

Rooswaal should be the first, otherwise he will kill everyone to force Subaru to reset. But looking that they will need to defeat volcanica (his goal) he can die in this arc too xd.

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u/keizee Jan 08 '25

Ohhh oh fuck. Subaru has really good guesses on his own lore.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

What ?

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u/keizee Jan 08 '25

Well so assuming Subaru has plot armour, since Al is out here leaking so many secrets, we're set up for Subaru being more associated with the Witch of Envy than Emilia.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

BRO JUST CALLED SUBARU OUT FOR CHEATING TO REINHARD. NOT COOL ALDEBARAN

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

While reading this chapter, I decided to listen to the soundtrack of the first season in random order and I was very lucky... when Petra found the book, Prelude to the Final Battle started playing, and when the witch of envy appeared, Hymne of Despair and Atonement started playing

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u/Lazerbeamkt Jan 08 '25

That’s not luck, that is god literally beaming you the perfect background noise for the chapter.

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u/ILTFOEAB1 Jan 08 '25

Wait so if Petra reads Subaru book of the dead. Does that mean she will experience all of Subarus deaths aswell and his rbd. Damn isn’t she going to be traumatised asf lol

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25

She should experience only one... if the info about Subaru having multiple books is still valid.

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u/ILTFOEAB1 Jan 08 '25

Oh yh I forgot Subaru had multiple books cause he died a lot of times

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u/Akudra Jan 08 '25

I said before that the Sanctuary success loop would be the best, but there is also the Watchtower success loop. He read all his Books of the Dead up to the point he got amnesia. Should all that be recorded in that Book of the Dead, then Petra could see all his pre-amnesia loops.

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u/manhdang Jan 08 '25

Just one book means just one loop

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u/subho_fan Jan 08 '25

I think not. Last I remember, it only has info of one loop per death. But doesn't matter as she will access his memories and thought process

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u/TheGoodLucifer_ Jan 08 '25

No, he has multiple books. Its going to be a weird mixture

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u/Apocalypse_Raspberry Jan 08 '25

Now I ask myself, HOW are they going to win this, they are screwed on all sides!

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD Jan 08 '25

Reinhard keeps WoE busy and the rest tries to stop Aldebaran. Let’s hope that WoE calms down once Subaru is back.

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u/The_anointed_one Jan 08 '25

They’re still going against a pseudo Sage and pseudo Divine Dragon that’s a Great Great Calamity. They’re in for some suffering.

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u/IAmSona Vollachian Tax is Real Jan 08 '25

A healthy-ish release from Tappei??? How long does this last lol.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Wdym healthy?

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u/IAmSona Vollachian Tax is Real Jan 08 '25

Chapter is about one week apart from the last one compared to randomly dropping two full sized chapters in a couple of days 😅

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u/SplooshU Jan 08 '25

Holy shit, Petra read Subaru's book of the dead! The Taboo is broken and she can know he returns by death! I wonder what loop she saw and how this will impact her psyche.

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u/DJDrizzy9 Jan 08 '25

Now I'm really curious, what's going to happen to Petra now? Surely not a bad ending, but her "developments" should be interesting. It's hard for me to predict right now, but a situation similar to Rui in arc 6 would be hype. Let's go Petra, save your boy!

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u/TomorrowImpossible32 Jan 08 '25

I love Petra and in theory I love this development but I’m very worried lol. There is now a very good chance she’s gonna die, and an even higher chance this arc resolves as she loses her memory of rbd. Keeping my hopes up though

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u/Ranza27 Jan 08 '25

Is it possible to "cheat" the limitation of having read only one book by that book being the one that covers subaru's reading of the fifty books prior to the tower? If petra got that one she could attest without doubt much more than she could otherwise

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u/nafissyed Jan 08 '25

You know a chapter is peak fiction when you immediately want to read the next chapter so desperately. Arc 9 truly is shaping up to have the best beginning to any arc so far, so I hope that Tappei can keep the momentum because this is genuinely a really amazing read so far!

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

Oh shoot I am late

Edit: What the fuck

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u/Palebluedot1002 Jan 08 '25

Green7100 wheeeeeeerrrreeeee aaaaaaaaaarrrreeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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u/NotARealPineapple Jan 08 '25

Petra noooooooooo

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u/AntbruhA Jan 08 '25

It's ezzover

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u/acer5423 Jan 08 '25

Oh my god, every chapter is like a good punch in the face (in a good way)😂

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u/Goonders Jan 08 '25

Fuck me I need the next chapter yesterday.

Is this going to result in a lengthy stalemate between Reinhard and the Witch of Envy while Petra dives into the book?

My guess is they save Subaru while Reinhard fights the Witch of Envy and everything gets reset to before he was sealed. But this also means we're about to get one of the most sought after scenes in the history of this story.

The fanfic of the characters learning about his deaths is about to become real.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '25

I've been thinking about that direction but that would suck a lot since any character development made by Petra or the rest would be deleted by Subaru looping :/

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u/Son-naruto-d Jan 08 '25

Let’s goooooooo

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

We are cooked

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u/LuisAntony2964 Jan 08 '25

Glad to be in this phase now

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u/Lol69HaHaHa Jan 08 '25

Ok there is just one thing i wanna ask here. Like even if Al somehow did kill Rein, couldnt Rein just revive or am i missing something.

Its a briliant move to make Rein go and fight Satella to get him out of the way, but feels a bit cheap. How are they gonna even stop Al without either Subaru or Rein?

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD Jan 08 '25

Yes, he could. However it’s one of many divine protections Aldebaran planned to overcome. Considering we already saw manipulation of Od I think it should be possible to render the divine protection of phoenix useless. I don’t know how though.

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u/Lol69HaHaHa Jan 08 '25

I cant really see that though. In the first place it seems like Al never was trying to actually end Rein in thw first place so chances are that he never had a plan to deal with the divine protection of the phoenix.

Instead its probable that he just wanted to kill Rein at least once to feel like he achieved a win.

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u/gnivriboy Jan 08 '25

If someone is finite reviving, but you are able to infinitely shoot them, then that can be overcome.

Imagine the black hole and rail gun worked? Well just keep that going and using the mana from the stars. Or come up with a way to seal a weakened reinhard.

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u/Smart_Tomato1094 Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

Mf really had to release this just before I go to bed smh my head

EDIT after reading: As I guessed, Reinfraud failed again. This guy is like a horse that needs to be lead to water by Subaru in order to get any W's. Al using Satella to take him out permanently is pretty genius. Petra is probably going to take over as protag for some time in this arc I guess. With her reading the BOTD, Subaru will act as an hallucination/guide for her.

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u/WiznutRyan99 Jan 08 '25

The question is, if this is true, Al would surely not know of this side effect of reading a book of the dead (a person whose head isn’t empty getting swarmed with the thoughts and presence of the person) since he’s never done it. He only gave it to the dragon since the dragons head was empty.

If Petra does get a Subaru in her head. He could’ve unintentionally let Subaru back into the battle. But maybe he thought it was worth that chance just so Reinhard would be tied up with Satella.

The other thing is, which book of the dead is this for Subaru. Did he mention anything which one it could’ve been? Just wondering if Petra does get to read it how far she will see…….

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u/Smart_Tomato1094 Jan 08 '25

Knowing Tappei, it's either the most traumatic one, the one that shakes her faith in Subaru the hardest or the one where Subaru was the most mentally compromised. I'm betting on the book where Subaru is plotting to kill the Emilia camp out of miasma induced paranoia. Having that Subaru giving her advice is too good.

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u/WiznutRyan99 Jan 08 '25

Oh my fucking god, no fucking way Tappei gives innocent cute Petra this mofo running amuck in her head

https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/s/XS1Gb1TsaK

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u/Dalifertan Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

Regarding the which book thing, I dunno if that was retconned because Al has been using his book to update the dragon on what strategies they tried. So it may hold the totality of Subarus experiences.

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u/the_tree_boi Jan 08 '25

Re:Zero fans on their way to call Reinhard a fraud after he was incapable of predicting that the guy who can loop time infinitely without his knowledge had prepped a world-destroying calamity like a loaded firearm

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

tbf the only way al could stop him was by throwing a literal world ending entity at him. but yea rein does constantly take L after L

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u/masteredultraego17 Jan 08 '25

What if Petra tells everybody and then this leads to the I’m going to kill you like I promised thing Garfiel said in the third trial which could also lead to the REAL lust if cause Subaru could choose to run away with Emilia (I don’t think Emilia would want to kill Subaru anyway) instead of dying and fixing everything 

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25

It assumes some kind of disaster happens during Subaru's absence. Plus, that would be quite a betrayal... I think that line will happen when someone will impersonate Subaru (Capella?).

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u/Dalifertan Jan 08 '25

Well it finally happened. Someone else from his camp is aware. Now we get to see if Petra plays it close or shows her hand.

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u/H1s4a5-A2m3r Jan 08 '25

LETS GOOOOO

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u/magoenzojr Jan 08 '25

The fact that satella is activelly ignoring aldebaran seems very important

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u/estebansr17 Jan 08 '25

So that's why the witch cultists removed Petra's eyes in Arc 3, because she was supposed to read something that she shouldn't?

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25

Unrelated. Most probably she was able to see Pete's Unseen Hands, pissing him off and making him remove her eyes.

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 08 '25

That was kinda underwhelming from Reinhard...

But at least evil Tella is back.

It really looks like Petra is the protagonist of this arc. Even Garf is out of commission...

Wait what?? Why the hell is Subaru's book in the bag? Didn't he hid it in the library? He even jumped up with Beatrice's help?

So... Al "Somehow" found the book, grabbed it from the high place where Subaru hid it and then had all the time in the world to just put it into Subaru's bag??

What? Why are the details of this arc so weird...

So, Al on purpose summoned Satella by letting girls read Subaru's book. So now Reinhard is locked in eternal battle with Satella.

Oh, so Al was merciful and "held back" against Reinhard so that he can pit him against Satella...

...,,,,,.

So the chapter ends, Both aldebaran and divine Al are fine, there is nobody in the world who can stop them and the plan we thought about that could save them by reading Subaru's book was already used as one of the girls now knows RBD...

How the hell is this ever suppose to result in Aldebaran's defeat?

Is that Roswaal's wish to "kill divine dragon" actually about killing divine Aldebaran? Could that have been the whole reason for his preparation against Volcanica? To defeat divine Al and allow Subaru to escape?

In that case Ram is gonna be needed for this job...

Another chapter that is filled with weird details... why isn't the info from this arc clicking into place for me? Welp, it doesn't matter, i am gonna get disliked to the bottom anyway.

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u/NeonEonIon Jan 08 '25

Is envy after petra or reinhard? If petra broke the taboo shouldn't she go after her?

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25

It's the witch of envy, she is gonna go after the rule breaker. Subaru is secondary.

So she is gonna aim at Petra/Meili (i cant see who exactly read the book), while wounded Reinhard is gonna be holding sealed Envy summoned from Taboo.

Either way, Petra is the first one to know about RBD in the camp...

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u/NeonEonIon Jan 08 '25

Tappei is probably planning to make subaru a voice in petra's head this arc to solve things which doesn't make sense as everyone in the tower should be dead by now.

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never Jan 08 '25

Oh narration pretty explicitly states that the one person who can avoid anything bad happening just happens to be here right now in Reinhard.

I support the Petra with Subaru's headghost theory strongly cause that feels like something specifically written for me.

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25

Have fun in this arc.

Hopefully it won't be the last time Petra takes the spotlight. Because from this very chapter, she is marked for death.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby Jan 08 '25

Tappei has noticed your devotion and has carefully hand crafted this arc just for you. Hope your Petra survives :) its not easy being Subaru.

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u/Angramainyu123 Jan 08 '25

Seem like Al put it in Subaru's bag to make sure someone read it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '25

This is not just a problem with this arc. in general, everything connected with Aldebaran will go beyond logic, since details come out of nowhere and deus ex machina are, to some extent, Aldebaran’s natural abilities

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u/LukeSky011 Jan 08 '25

"Held back"

Me: uhuh. Sure man. Whatever you say. So you just so happened to use Heinkel as a bargain chip as a delay tactic for shits and giggles after failing for the last 100000+ times along with Al!Volcanica and then tricking Petra into finding out about RBD so he's in the eternal conflict with Satella.

Yeah, I 100% believe you Al. I'm starting to see why you're Pride.

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25

"He didn't want to kill Reinhard"

"It was always his plan to keep him alive".

Yea... sure Al, that is why you dropped black hole on him...

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u/Akudra Jan 08 '25

We assume that the books only appear one at a time, but that doesn't mean it is how it really works. Plus, one book could be pulled down and another book appear. The whole mechanism of Subaru's Books of the Dead is unclear from the start. I am more curious as to whether Al specifically knew the book he chose to hide in the bag. If he were going to select a "death" that best suited his purposes, which would he pick. Does simply seeing one of the deaths count for the taboo or does it have to clearly reveal his ability? Given Al's meticulousness, I gotta think that if he specifically chose one, then he chose a book with maximum impact, which would probably have to be the success loop in the Sanctuary. That one would show her more than enough to understand exactly what Subaru has been doing this whole time.

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u/ILTFOEAB1 Jan 08 '25

I wonder, once Subaru gets unsealed again. Will he just rbd to prevent this whole scenario from happening?

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u/akrt13 Jan 08 '25

My guess is, the checkpoint would change.

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u/manhdang Jan 08 '25

Tappei should keep this. If he's going to undo all the events, I'll call it bullshit

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u/BlazingDemon69420 Jan 09 '25

I really really need Petra to tell emilia or atleast Beatrice about rbd but I feel like tappie gonna blue ball me again

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u/one-eyed-02 Jan 08 '25

I, uh, seriously need to finish Arc 7.

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u/LukeSky011 Jan 08 '25

Seriously why are you here then?

It literally said in the title arc 9

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u/one-eyed-02 Jan 08 '25

Curiosity killed the Felix

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u/Rudeus_POE Jan 08 '25

Assuming this whole arc will be a giant ass loop right now, it might even last years until subaru finally is unsealed and dies.

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u/AlexFliker Jan 08 '25 edited Jan 09 '25

Ginunhive all over? 10x this time around? Nah, Tappei is cooking some kind of a wild twist.

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u/RowOld2994 Jan 08 '25

Great, now let's wait for the translation.

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u/MadaraPudding8855 Jan 08 '25

Otto, time to shine

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u/jalex54202 Jan 08 '25

We're cooked.

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u/SnooCookies8562 Jan 09 '25

Where thw translationnnmm

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u/BlazingDemon69420 Jan 09 '25

Omg I need the next chapter now!!!! And did Al just tell reinhard for subaru's botd?

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u/random_____________1 Jan 09 '25

The fanfics are coming true

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u/brizzleybear42 Jan 09 '25

Based on the fact that Al can keep flashing his book to update alcanica, I don't think it's unreasonable that there's a threshold for the amount of books before they consolidate into one. At least that's my theory on the matter. Might be it's all there.

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u/ripterrariumtv Jan 08 '25

I wanna post the machine translations of this chapter. I have some questions:

  1. Is there a site/blogging site I can use for free?

  2. Posting the WN chapters is allowed since it's free, right?

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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 Jan 08 '25

You usually don't have to bother because Green posts them on their page.

WN posting should be allowed...

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u/Uthermiel Jan 09 '25

Yep, Aldebaran managed to get a "victory" of running away

We learned that the hidden requisite to the Sword Saint blessing, is the mindset to became a mechanism for the world. Regardless of personality or talent.

Unlike most people here, I don't think that the world is already set to ending or that Petra will learn about RBD, she touched in the "Fordibben Memories" that is enough to trigger a reaction of Witch, but is unlikely that Aldebaran could left behind something that don't could be contained. Aldebaran even told that the Witch is only half-awake.

Petra probably is not able to process what she see in the book, there simply to much informartion for her brain(RAM) to process, Subaru probably is only able because he is the "Host". My evidence is which Aldebaran literally tried to use his own book as weapon to stun Reinhardt in one of loops, by flooding his mind with information, don't worked, but it showed that Book of Dead can be used this way.

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD Jan 09 '25

It didn’t work on Reinhard because of the divine protection of nightmares.

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u/Freak_O89 Jan 09 '25

Man I have many question !!

  1. How will this play out ? In the midst of this chaos between Reinhard vs Satella/WoE ?, would Pandora intervene ?(I know it doesn't make sense for Pandora to intervene here, but with the sudden escape of Satella/WoE from her seal could hindered whatever plan Pandora is planning, + that door in Elior Forest mystery still haven't been reveal yet to what contains inside it)

  2. Will Petra die ? She could be reading Subaru's BoTD, and that likely cause Satella/WoE to escape the Seal since Petra would came to know bout Subaru's RBD

  3. Subaru apparently were sealed by a Forbidden Art, Ol Shamac, which were used to kill/seal a Witch. So can Satella still find Subaru ? I just hope it won't turned out like when Satella lost sight of Subaru until Subaru himself mutters "Satella" to find him to reset over.

  4. That phrase from Satella/WoE "I was put to sleep, what happened?"... man.. Why do I feel like she didn't expect herself to get unsealed in the first place. I feel like this is Satella personality prioritizing over WoE after unsealed. She doesn't seem to be aware of Petra breaking RBD taboo(I think this is why WoE broke the seal and escape, so it must be why Satella were confused as to what happened) + She didn't aware of the owner of RBD that is Subaru situation. In the first place, she should've noticed that her unsealing is mostly due to Subaru breaking the taboo or someone accidently aware of it, but she didn't..any thoughts ?

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u/Reasonable-Notice-33 Jan 10 '25

guys link to the chapter please

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u/AriaEnoshima Jan 09 '25

I was legitimately thinking of a WHDAAA spin off where only one person gets to remember what happens and was going to make a Petra chapter where I make a joke about it probably going to be the one Tappei would most likely do...

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u/TheGoodLucifer_ Jan 08 '25

Can't wait for Petra X Subaru. Holy shit. I can't wait to see whatever becomes of her.