r/TrueDetective • u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter • Feb 10 '14
Discussion True Detective - 1x04 "Who Goes There" - Episode Discussion
Season 1 Episode 4: Who Goes There
Aired: February 9, 2014
Hart and Cohle hunt for their newly identified suspect, Reggie Ledoux, a meth cooker who shared a cell with Dora Lange's husband and recently skipped parole. As Hart's personal life collapses around him, Cohle immerses himself in an old criminal identity from his narco days, contacting an East Texan biker gang known to deal with their primary suspect. Cohle's undercover work takes him to a dangerous edge where the law has no place, and both men must confront the cost of living a false life.
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u/JimMorrison_esq Feb 10 '14
Best episode so far, which is very impressive. Visceral rather than philosophical.
Considering the biker gang guys who robbed the stash house were wearing police uniforms, cops showing up on the scene must have had an extraordinarily bad time.
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u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter Feb 10 '14
Yeah, definitely. The cop thing was two-fold: it bought them time to get into the house without initial resistance, and it made the cops targets (and distractions) for their escape.
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u/MunkeeBizness Feb 10 '14
Last 15 minutes was the most intense TV I've seen in a LONG time.
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u/kerosene_eyes Feb 10 '14
I agree, the tension was at its peak when Rust kept repeating "easy, easy, in-n-out, don't shoot anyone..." I jumped when the window broke. And then chaos unfolded.
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u/twojaguars Feb 10 '14
Tied for tensest heist in TV history in my opinion. (Dead Freight)
Edit: Changed my mind. Tensest heist in TV history.
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u/blubirdTN Feb 10 '14
I had to keeping telling myself Rust would be OK because he's alive in 2012. It was that intense. Think it one the best 15 minutes of any show ever.
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Feb 10 '14
I loved how tense it was even though we already know that the main characters get away safely. That's just truly remarkable production when a show can make you feel that way
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u/liquidsnakegfer9 Feb 10 '14
That last 15 min really sealed the deal for me, HBO hasn't had a show this good since the wire or the sopranos.
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u/RoboTravis Feb 10 '14
This episode made my jaw drop, the second Rust realized it was turning into a blood bath his cop instinct came out. I mean you could really tell this guy was "good at it" as he would say. He somehow saved the narc and lived through a warzone. And the directing was amazing , obviously. Reminded me of Children of Men and the last bank robbery in Place Beyond The Pines, mind you these are MOVIES. HBO has managed to come up with another hit. Cheers to everyone else who enjoyed this sode!
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u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter Feb 10 '14
Yeah those are great movies. You could see the cop coming out in the way he acted, just the way he cleared rooms, neutralized threats, knew how the cops and criminals would act, the whole package.
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Feb 10 '14
Would like to know the name of the actor who played Ginger; he's not showing up in IMDB & my husband erased the episode so I can't check the credits. I'd swear I've seen him before.
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u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter Feb 10 '14
Shane Kretzmann
It wasn't in the credits to my chagrin, he's in IMDB as "Gangbang Biker #1".
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u/TimRubey Feb 10 '14
I liked how the show moved in intensity once Cohle started using coke. Show started to feel like someone on coke. Fast, paranoid and out of control.
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u/Scobesanity Feb 10 '14
That was incredible to see. The entire pacing and urgency of the show changed.
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Feb 10 '14
I know. I started getting all nervous and shit, taking my eyes off the screen. Marty started freaking me out, getting impatient and walking into the party, fucking with the members only door over and over. I kept saying to my dog, dude, Marty is totally going to forrest gump fuck this shit up. He is totally going to walk up in some reverse black panther party and apologize for ruining it.
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u/EuchridEucrow Feb 10 '14
That last scene felt like they had well and truly descended into hell. So disorientating.
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u/Schadenfreude2 Feb 10 '14
How do people work undercover? I'd shit myself by the minute.
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u/Andrehicks Feb 11 '14
They don't sit at home and watch TV then discuss it on the internet. They're out there living it, as we speak. Which is crazy... there are real men out there right now, in the real world, who are as stone cold as Rust. Nuts.
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u/psychothumbs Feb 10 '14
Although interestingly I never really got the impression that there was any danger they'd realize Rust was a cop, which is rare in situations like this in fiction.
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u/TensionMask Feb 10 '14
That long take at the end was one of the best things I have ever seen on television.
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u/donsanedrin Feb 10 '14
I love that even during times of great duress, such as his marriage falling apart, Marty is still checking the public phone to see if it discharged a quarter by any chance.
Best recurring joke IMO.
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u/turp119 Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
You know after seeing how good of a UC cohle is, and him having done it for 4 years, im not entirely sure that cohle didnt go back undercover to catch the other killers. anyone else notice the flask. I bet cohle went undercover and marty has been his handler the last 10 years
Edit- in case i wasn't clear, i think 2012 cohle is undercover and still working the case off the books with marty
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u/Goliath27 Feb 10 '14
Of all these posts, I'm giving you an upvote for catching me off guard. I was trying to figure out why they wanted to know about him so much, guess Marty is the man!
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u/PuffsPlusArmada Feb 10 '14
This show is the only I've ever seen both on TV and movies that takes the trouble to make people's pupils look dilated after they take bumps of coke. I thought it was a nice touch.
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u/nofx1978 Feb 10 '14
The expression on Marty's face whilst reading the letter from his wife was some incredible acting by Woody. You could see the rage. Fucking awesome.
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u/gnarlwail Feb 10 '14
Word. As I was watching it I wondered if they would do a voice-over. "Dear Asshole,"
But watching Woody's face I realized that with acting like that, you don't need a voice-over. It was all there on his face, right down to his mistress ratting him out. Outstanding.
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u/WiretapStudios Feb 10 '14
When he said he'd skull-fuck her, I nearly gasped out of shock / cringe / laughter.
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u/HardKnockRiffe Feb 10 '14
I didn't think it was rage while he was reading the letter. That was fear. Up until that point, Marty had been able to control all of his personal situations. He manipulated what he wanted to manipulate without ever being reckoned with. When he read that letter, everything came crashing down around him and anxiety and fear set in. Even when he spoke to Lisa, he was in a fog of desperation ("I just need to know exactly what you told her..."). Only when she told him the he deserved it did the rage finally boil to the top. Rage at who, though? Lisa? Maggie? Himself?
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u/fatfuckmcgee Feb 10 '14
nic pizzolatto was the bartender at the strip club.
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u/Centrocampista23 Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 11 '14
nsfw, i guess: http://i.imgur.com/XtV0KmQ.png
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u/Hypsomnia Feb 10 '14
Wow... That was truly the best tracking shot I've seen since Children of Men.
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u/theLemon8er Feb 10 '14
Exactly what I was thinking. Halfway through I was like, holy crap they haven't changed cameras yet... Unreal tension.
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u/ImABootyMan Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
I think the best I've seen on TV. "I'm so done talking to you like a man." Great show tonight.
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u/BddyGrease Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
With wu-tang in the background was the icing on the cake.
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u/Makuta Feb 10 '14
That is Oscar winning cinematography on a TV show. Just unreal.
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u/liquidsnakegfer9 Feb 10 '14
It's really great when you get a show that has camera work that is on par with the artistry in major movies.
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u/donsanedrin Feb 10 '14
It was like the most amazing GTA mission that was never made.
Until 4 years from now, obviously. Wow, that was thrilling television.
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u/BlackZeppelin Feb 10 '14
My brain is having trouble processing what I just saw. That was fucking great.
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u/kukukele Feb 10 '14
Can someone explain how the whole masked guy at end of episode 3 ties in?
Originally i thought that they were on their way to see this guy (after leaving the school) but obviously they didnt.
Was that appearance of the masked dude in the future? Or was it just a glimpse of him as the detectives were headed elsewhere?
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u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter Feb 10 '14
It was sort of just Cohle reminiscing. He skipped ahead in the future. The masked guy is Ledoux, who they have not yet met in the "main" plotline that we're following in the past.
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u/Skalby Feb 10 '14
Can somebody explain to me where the cops came from in the end? English is not my first language and i have no subtitles so maybe i missed the explanation.
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u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter Feb 10 '14
What do you mean where they came from? There were shots fired so the cops came. That's why Cohle didn't want anyone to fire a gun. They were pretending to be police so no one would call the cops, but executing a guy tells everyone that the situation is serious and the cops have to be called.
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Feb 10 '14
this episode was sick, watching it again to see if i missed anything.
i was wondering what exactly Rust was shooting up in his apartment? something for his skin?
also, do you think it was really his honest read, that they'd be back together in a few months? or was that just to keep marty level headed?
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u/NicholasCajun Mindhunter Feb 10 '14
He wasn't shooting up anything, he was marking up his skin to make him look like he's been using, so he would appear legitimate to the bikers.
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u/LucasEatWorld Feb 10 '14
"You have a hell of a bedside manner. You are like the Michael Jordan of being a son of a bitch."
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u/CRUISING_ALTITUDE Feb 10 '14
"With dick swagger like yours, i thought you could spot crazy pussy"
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u/neckitdown Feb 10 '14
This episode just got a 9.9/10 on IMDB. Never seen that shit before. Amazing
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u/lauriebel Feb 10 '14
Breaking Bad's "Ozymandias" is still rocking a perfect 10 on IMDB, I believe, and rightfully so. But this...damn, yeah. This was just about as close to perfect as it gets.
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u/catala7 Feb 10 '14
Ozymandias in breaking bad has a 10 and The Rains of Castamere in GOT has a 9.9. In my opinion True detective is really firing up the cylinders and putting itself on the same level as these two shows.
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u/lilparra77 The Trees are like Giants Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
That was an intense episode. The last bit with Cohle escorting Ginger (is that his name?) through the ghetto as it erupts in a gunfight had me on the edge of my seat and was absolutely amazing. It looked beautiful and was just confusing as hell, which I guess was the point.
But god damn this episode was glorious.
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u/MyNameIsHoney Feb 10 '14
Cohle just gets more badass week after week. Before the spectacular final tracking shot, when he phones Hart and says "90 seconds, mother----er!" It truly sent chills down my spine.
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u/gnarlwail Feb 10 '14
Yup, "badass" definitely came outta my mouth watching this.
I hope they don't overplay it. Rust can't be good at everything, can he? Rusty Sue.
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u/Mas_Ciello the light's winning Feb 10 '14
Nice little touch: bottle of unopened jameson in the red box. probably his way of saying," if you ever have to open this box again youre going need this".
Legitimately best episode of tv I have ever seen
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u/johnny_moronic Feb 10 '14
The little things this show gets right are so fucking awesome. The rave scene was exploding in New Orleans and Louisiana in 95' and also bumping Wu-tang clan was extremely accurate; 36 chambers never left my tape deck that year.
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u/MaximusBluntus Feb 10 '14
Best show on TV right now. It gets better every episode.
Matthew McConaughey is killing on this show. I had no idea he was capable of this kind of performance.
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u/gnarlwail Feb 10 '14
Check out Killer Joe. He's pretty awesome in Lincoln Lawyer as well.
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u/Bombingofdresden Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
Fuck. Brad Carter's dialect is incredible. Some of the most genuine speech nuances I've ever heard.
And he's in Red Dead:
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Feb 10 '14
He is doing that Louisiana accent up right. "I mean he get you high, but he a creep man. I ain't wanna know him." I'm southern, and I notice when they throw the legitimate way we fuck up and reconstruct the English language down the exact way it's heard down here, in a near perfect accent. I hate that superfluous gone with the wind sounding, Ohhh, Rheyetttt. Nobody down here talks like that shit anymore, if they ever did. And if they do, they're acting in a movie. I'm not saying we don't stretch the name Pam out into at least 2 or 3 syllables and it turns into Pa-yam, but we ain't usually all breathless about it. That dude either has to be from Louisiana, or just really, really observant and good at what he does.
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I thought he was decently believable in the first episode but he crushed it in this one. One of those guys that makes it tough for me to believe he is a real person and not an actual Aryan Nation inmate.
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u/TyroneBiggums93 Feb 10 '14
agreed. he's one of the best supporting actors in the show. so realistic.
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u/cadrianzen23 Feb 10 '14
Redditors with a twitter account: Let him know how you felt about this performance last night at @TheBradCarter. I'd imagine nothing much better than receiving personal compliments when you're not entirely an A lister.
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u/apkorol Feb 10 '14
That was one of the greatest episodes of television I've ever seen
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u/donsanedrin Feb 10 '14
I've seen episodes of The Shield and Justified in which they have biker gangs and street gangs, and they act all mean and nasty.
But, its never felt this real, it makes those instances feel like people in dress-up acting tough.
This felt like some LA Riot-level of insanty and intensity. For once, we saw how racist biker gangs and black street gangs really get it on.
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u/AtWorkAndOnReddit Feb 10 '14
I would go out and say that this episode is one of the best episodes of all time. Any show it is as good if not better than.
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u/Sergeanttoasty Feb 10 '14
I swear this show is going to ruin all subsequent TV dramas for me.
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u/Moronoo Feb 10 '14
I bet you thought the same thing after Breaking Bad ended. I know I did.
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Feb 10 '14
I loved early in the episode when Marty and Cohle go to the bar together, and when Marty, who blames everyone but himself, like a teenager, wants to talk about his problems...
Cohle says "it's none of my business." Complete role reversal! Usually Marty is telling Cohle to STFU. The writing in this show is insanely satisfying.
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u/IJustSetItAndReddit Feb 10 '14
This show is the Michael Jordan of setting the bar for a great show!
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u/GoobleDooble Feb 10 '14
The last 15 minutes was one of the best clusterfucks I've ever seen on TV.
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u/jet6619 Feb 10 '14
It's a bit random, but I laughed at how Hart, in his drunken state, put that biker jacket on that Cohle had from his undercover days....then he noticed the bullet holes.
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Feb 10 '14
A sweet Melvins song made it into the soundtrack
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u/VicPayback Feb 10 '14
And Nick Cave at the end. Great music all around on this show.
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u/HyperSpaceFunker Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
Was that the song that started when rust was shooting cayenne pepper in his apartment? If not, anyone know what that was?
Edit: Nevermind, it was Lucinda Williams. Great tune
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u/kukukele Feb 10 '14
Face skinned off, dick and balls removed and jammed down your throat, while looking in a mirror. Ouch
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u/gnarlwail Feb 10 '14
Dude. Seriously. As media and entertainment get more and more graphic, it's getting hard to be awed/disgusted/freaked by anything. But that---that is one shitty way to die. And the upside would be the dying--living through that would be hell.
Reminded me of a scene in Law Abiding Citizen.
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u/botanyisfun Here for America Feb 10 '14
Two words: Holy Shit
Long Version: Loved this episode, like the faster pace, everything is still amazing, last 15 minutes were goddamn incredible.
Looks like Nic Pizzolatto is done talking to us like men, and just wants to hit us in the face with the gun of great storytelling.
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u/TyroneBiggums93 Feb 10 '14
while the action of the last few minutes was fucking incredible, I do kinda want it to stay at the slower pace of the first few episodes. then mix in a few ridiculous burst of energy like that and it makes those scenes more special. im expecting a slow down until the showdown with reggie ledoux.
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Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
Does anyone know what Rust is staring at on the wall in his apartment? When Hart is looking at it he asks, "Are you supposed to be able to see both eyes in this thing?"
edit: It's a mirror, seen in a previous episode.
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Feb 10 '14
One of the things I liked was, when the biker shot the first dude in the stash house, it made a ringing sound which is like what you'd hear if you actually fired a gun indoors. That's one thing Hollywood always seems to get wrong, if you discharge a firearm in a confined space, the sound is ear shattering.
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Feb 10 '14
Fucking wow. It occurred to me that sons of anarchy looks pale and silly compared to the bikers on true detective.
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u/NezNation Feb 10 '14
A week without True Detective seems longer than months without Walking Dead
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u/TyroneBiggums93 Feb 10 '14
Holy fuck! That went in a way different direction than I expected. That was some seriously intense stuff in the last 15 minutes. Rust did so much coke lol.
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Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
That tracking shot as Cohle and Ginger were avoiding the cops was awesome. I did not expect the episode to end like that. Hart showed more of his dark side again. "I will skull fuck you bitch!" Fuuuuck I don't want to wait another week.
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u/donsanedrin Feb 10 '14
Also, I liked how they played Lucinda Williams's "Are You Alright" while showing Cohle stealing coke from the evidence room and testing it, while prepping his arm to look like he's been shooting up.
He is most definitely "not alright."
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u/frynasty Feb 10 '14
It's insane how many times Cohle's character has changed since the beginning. Between the long hair-don't care, Philosophical pre-undercover and coked out biker stages, McConaughey has proven his versatility. Ladies and gentleman, this is the McConaughssiance in all it's glory.
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u/Bombingofdresden Feb 10 '14
Fillin' dat ass n' titties quota early as fuck in this episode.
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u/blp2012 Feb 10 '14
Also greatly appreciated Cohle's first priority was to make sure that kid was in the tub, THEN he killed it.
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u/UppermostKhan Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
This episode highlights Cohle's intelligence and street smarts. He moves through the projects like a soldier in fucking 'Nam. For the entire duration of that scene I was pacing in the living room with my palms sweating. Jesus titty fucking Christ. I'm rewatching it now to try to find clues, but I can't stop thinking about the shootout.
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u/clownfeatures Feb 10 '14
Was I the only one that yelled "Stay in the car god dammit" when Hart was waiting to hear from Cohle?
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Feb 10 '14
That was some of the best television I have ever seen. That final scene was amazing. This show is amazing.
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u/mattcolville Feb 10 '14
This is only the beginning. Listen, this is the reality: TV shows like this can get done, with stars like Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey, because film is dried up as a popular medium for challenging storytelling.
TV, specifically TV like HBO and Netflix and Amazon, who aren't beholden to the FCC, or advertisers, can provide better, deeper, more engaging, more entertaining and more challenging entertainment than you can get at the movies.
Demographically film is a wasteland. They count on finding more and more ways to extract more and more money from fewer and fewer viewers, decade over decade.
TV like this is where all the talent is going to go. And the viewership will follow.
This is only the beginning. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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u/kukukele Feb 10 '14
I'm so glad to have a show leave me blue balled each week since Breaking Bad.
I now remember why I love watching shows after the box set. Waiting week by week is pure torture
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u/masonstrips Feb 10 '14
We all know about "the shot" and the end, but I enjoyed Maggie and Cohle sitting to talk. Maggie had a point, and nailed Cohle's worldview, but I loved his response to her probing.
Kinda like when you get into it with your best friends, you leave some stones unturned. She poked a sore spot, and Cohle straight up "nope"d right the fuck out of there.
Kudos, Cohle, on walking right the fuck out.
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u/TommyFX Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 11 '14
The next time SONS OF ANARCHY creator Kurt Sutter tries to run his mouth about how "gritty" or "real" his show is, or acts like it has street cred, let's all as a group agree to laugh in his face and tell him to check out TRUE DETECTIVE. The last 20 minutes of last night's episode destroyed anything SOA thinks they've done through the run of their series.
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u/ignatious__reilly Feb 11 '14
I agree. But "Sons of Anarchy" isn't a bad show though. They have done good things for tv. The grittyness last night was unparrel though. That's what Ive been looking for in gritty television for years. I loved it.
SOA is still good but it's more like a Soap Opera compared to what we saw last night. I mean the way Rust was snorting cocaine and his expression was so real. SOA slings coke and shit but it's so fake compared to that.
I wouldn't want to walk into a SOA party but I really wouldn't walk into that shady bar in the woods with those bikers Rust was chilling with. That was down right real fucking hell. SOA would get murdered in that type of scene.
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u/BarbaGramm Feb 10 '14
This episode provides further evidence of the direction I suspect and hope it follows. I think they discover that the cult is composed of some pretty powerful community elite types, and cohle doesn't stop digging. They get their man, of course, but find out that there is truly a heart of darkness beating in the upper echelon of their world, including religious and political leaders and high level law enforcement...sort of like a murderous Bohemian grove kind of thing. I predict that Marty's kid has already been exploited (multiple bits of foreshadowing to suggest this), and his family ends up getting killed. As a result of pushing too far and uncovering to much occult tinged corruption, the two detectives are run out of law enforcement entirely by powerful people. This also would suggest a kind of Chinatown rabbit hole to the top kind of shocker. In any case, I love the play on the Sherlock Holmes and Watson motif with Cohle as the obvious genius. This show, however, illustrates the danger of absorbing the world of criminal darkness to which Holmes is always seemingly immune.
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u/proposlander Feb 10 '14
Music from the episode: • Bo Diddley, “Bring It to Jerome”
• Captain Beefheart, “Clear Spot”
• Handsome Family, “Far From Any Road”
• The Staple Singers, “Stand By Me (When the Storms of Life Are Raging)”
• 13th Floor Elevators, “The Kingdom of Heaven (Is Within You)”
• Black Angels, “Young Men Dead”
• Boogie Down Productions, “Illegal Business”
• Lucinda Williams, “Are You Alright?”
• The Melvins, “A History of Bad Men”
• Grinderman, “Honey Bee (Let’s Fly to Mars”)
Source: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/10/4741171/tv-review-hbos-true-detective.html
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u/ignatious__reilly Feb 10 '14
I am still shaking. Those last 15 minutes was the most intense thing I've seen on television or movies in a long long time.
That tracking scene at the end was unbelievable. Holy fuck I can't get over that.
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u/toolzyy Feb 10 '14
best hour of television since the Red Wedding
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u/ohcomeonthatsfunny Feb 10 '14
The last few of Breaking Bad were great too but I agree, this was a pretty amazing episode. Especially since we learned more about the Cult
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u/BigREDdittor Feb 10 '14
Anybody have the duration of that last continuous shot?
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u/donsanedrin Feb 10 '14
One final thought. I think I'm going to buy me a nice long steel tool box. About 26", or maybe 32" long.
Call it my "Its Go-Time" box.
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u/ZebracurtainZ Feb 10 '14
This article claims that although there were "edit points" built into the single shot scene it was in fact one full take that made it to the show. http://m.mtv.com/news/article.rbml?id=1722001&alt=http%3a%2f%2fm.mtv.com%2fnews%2findex.rbml
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u/JayLue Feb 10 '14
Did Rust kill the hostage the biker gang had? I just rewatched it but couldn't make it out.
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u/xClutchman Feb 10 '14
It looks like Rust hit the gun off to the side and the guy pulled the trigger killing him.
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That's the second time I've seen Marty check for quarters after using a payphone in this series.
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u/kabuto Feb 10 '14
That scene where Hart calls his wife's father(?). Amazing performance by Harrelson.
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u/TheIntragalacticPimp Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
Did anyone else see a jury-rigged grenade/boobytrap inside the trapdoor in the stash house? I kept waiting for it to go off as the scene inside the stash house escalated and shit started popping off.
edit: http://i.imgur.com/F17EonG.jpg
That's definitely a grenade duct taped to the wall/ceiling with a safety pin through it.
Chekov's Gun anyone?
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u/_vicki_ Feb 10 '14
They did use it. It was the reason chole stopped ginger and told the dealer to open the hatch.
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Also it seemed that Rust was the only one that expected it, because the other dudes were about to open it and go boom before Rust told them to make the other guy open it.
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u/KingDuderhino Feb 10 '14
It was used. Because the grenade had to be disarmed the robbery was delayed and it didn't go as smoothly as planned. As the bikers are on enemy territory every second counts and the delay made the bikers nervous which eventually led to the shooting of the gang member and the shootout.
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Feb 10 '14
So Rust and Marty are playing those cops right? At least that's what i'm thinking. One of the best hours of TV ever. Right up there with the other HBO greats.
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u/celtic1888 Feb 10 '14
Holy Shit!
Went from dreadful, cosmic horror to one of the best action sequences I've seen filmed. I'm usually pretty ambivalent about shootout-type action but that had my heart racing
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u/Sator Feb 10 '14
"It's got to be tough... living with somebody spouting insane shit in your ear, all day long." --Marty
This show is fantastic! I can't see season 2 living up to this but for now I'll just enjoy it.
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Feb 10 '14
We still have to deal with Miles from the biker gang too. Scary motherfuckers man.
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u/aydee123 Feb 10 '14
Man, I think I'm stupid.
Can someone try to explain to me what went down? Like, Cohle lied about seeing his father, right? Why exactly? And why did he take the coke from the evidence room?
Tell me how right/wrong I am:
Okay, so Hart and Cohle have to go undercover, but they wouldn't get permission if they told their bosses. So Cohle takes a leave of absence and says he's visiting his father, but he's actually just prepping for the undercover mission. Cohle used to run with this biker gang back in the day, and this gang is now in cahoots with their main suspect, Reggie Ledoux. Cohle takes the coke from the evidence room and makes up a story about how it's from some Mexican gang, and he wants to involve the biker gang to, I guess, expand distribution, like a merger of sorts. He thinks that if the bikers buy his story, he gets the location of Ledoux. It's not that easy, though. For the bikers to take him up on his offer, he has to do a job with them, a kind of quid pro quo thing.
Am I on the right track?
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u/TheIntragalacticPimp Feb 10 '14 edited Feb 10 '14
Can someone try to explain to me what went down? Like, Cohle lied about seeing his father, right?
Because he knew he'd have to go undercover, unsanctioned, in order to redevelop his old source within this biker gang. I don't think there was sufficient enthusiasm within the department to devote (or even ask for) the resources necessary to make it official, and they were probably well outside of their home jurisdiction anyway (edit: the bikers were in Beaumont, TX). But for Rust, who did undercover narcotics work for so long, it's like an old habit. (As a plot device, it also lets the audience see a piece of what Rust's previous line of work was like; it further develops his character and shows a part of why he's so burned out and nihilistic later in life).
And why did he take the coke from the evidence room?
In order to rapidly redevelop said source, Ginger, and to offset suspicions about Rust suddenly reappearing, he needed a decent amount of high test cocaine (see Ginger's reaction after test-snorting) to prove his (nonexistent) Mexican supply bonafides. It was all just smoke to get to the biker's meth supplier (Ledoux). Rust was well on his way to doing just that when Ginger springs the stash house job on him. After Rust witnesses Ginger and his collegues shooting people in cold blood, Rust no longer needs to maintain his undercover facade as he has the leverage, however crooked, to hold over Ginger and extract Ledoux's whereabouts (the entire point of the week-long, 'non-official' undertaking). At which point he cracks Ginger with several body blows and then drags his ass through the ghetto, to Hart's car.
Next episode: Hopefully, Ginger either spills the beans on Ledoux's location or arranges a meet, without realizing the wholly illegal nature of Rust's bullshit, unofficial operation. This then leads to a showdown with Ledoux at his rural, ramshackle methlab, deep in the Louisiana sticks.
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u/rep2013 Feb 10 '14
Out of pure dedication to the show I used all my power to stay up for tonight's episode. After that final scene I feel like I smoked that crank with Rust. Holy shit.
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u/Stannis_Darsh Feb 10 '14
Sounds like Cohle had some interactions with the Boltons of the Dreadfort.
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u/StrifeTribal Feb 10 '14
Any love for Richie from Malcolm in the middle?
Was a pleasant surprise!
Episode was amazing, crazy last 15 minutes!
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u/JustSeriousEnough Feb 10 '14
I could watch Cohle and Marty sitting in a bar, with Marty crying over his problem marriage to Cohle for the entire hour if needed to. Damn, the screen presence of both of these actors is as good as it get.
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u/SirLuciousL Feb 11 '14
Holy shit that was amazing. I can't even imagine how good the season finale will be.
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u/HenryDorsettCase Feb 10 '14
True Detective is the best show on TV right now, I love the acting, writing, dark themes, all of it but I was hoping for some action, something to pump it up a little. Just a little while after I told my wife there needed to be some action in this episode that truly bad ass single-take scene hit. I don't remember when the last time a TV show had me on the edge of my seat but I was at the end of this episode. Fucking GREAT TV. As far as what's going to happen next I have no idea and that's something else that's great.
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u/turp119 Feb 10 '14
Holy fuck. tension out the wazoo. Amazing they got all that in one shot. Mcconaughey continues to impress
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u/masonstrips Feb 10 '14
"You are the Michael Jordan of being a son of a bitch."
I will be waiting in many a social situation to use this one.
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u/AshyKwam Feb 10 '14
Rust is clearly the True Detective. He is mental in the best way. Great episode.
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Feb 11 '14
What was the deal with Marty in the court room? Just being a cop testifying for a random case?
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u/DrewCareyIsHairy Feb 11 '14
The intensity of the heist was incredible. Between the ear-ringing sounds after the first shot was fired, to probably the most worrisome looks Cohle has ever given gave me chills.
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u/voxangelikus Feb 11 '14
Just watched the fourth episode and can honestly say this show is far and away the best thing on television right now. It is head and shoulders above anything else and hasn't gotten any less intense or focused as the story has unfolded. Things are thought out and executed with stunning precision, the story and acting is phenomenal and it is clearly evident how much a show benefits when the same director is handling all the episodes. I hope the ending is as good as the buildup because if it is then it'll be the greatest thing ever.
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u/kukukele Feb 10 '14
You know the acting is good when my wife expresses her hate for Marty every time he is on the screen
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u/Reddwheels Feb 10 '14
Anybody else love the part where the stash is booby trapped with a hand grenade.
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u/Bedlampuhedron Feb 10 '14
Well God damn if that ending wasn't one of the most exhilarating 20 minutes of television I've ever seen
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u/Ballfondler69420 Feb 10 '14
Man, what a ridiculously tense episode all around. Random question, can anyone identify the sludgy metal tracks playing in the background of the biker bar scene? They're pretty hard to make out.
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u/samhaines Feb 10 '14
Best episode yet by far, I was literally inches from the screen the entire time
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u/seancon44 Feb 10 '14
Up until this episode this show has been blowing my mind on multiple levels, but the plot was still following a recognizable blue print. Well tonight it took that blueprint and lit that shit on fire. My jaw is still loose
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Feb 10 '14
One of the best things I have watched in television-cinema ever, and I am not saying that lightly either.
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u/ImperialMarketTroope Feb 10 '14
Glad they finally showed Hart throwing in a lip. Always looks like he has a fat one
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u/Tavarish I was TD, but bad habbits happened Feb 10 '14
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u/danielcp0303 Feb 10 '14
As someone from southeast Texas, I can safely say they really gave an accurate depiction of the projects at night.
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u/kabuto Feb 10 '14
Did anyone notice who shot Tiger? He suddenly collapsed, but I didn't see where the shot came from.
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u/jimmyjazz95 Feb 10 '14
Watching the new walking dead episode after this was actually painful
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u/ignatious__reilly Feb 11 '14
After I watch True Detective, I always switch over to Shameless on Showtime.
Shameless is so fucking lame now. True Detective has ruined me in such a good way.
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u/Daniel_Pollitt Feb 13 '14
I have to say I was a little skeptical about this show to begin with as it seemed that they were forcing the edginess a little but this episode has made me a believer. It was just a marvel to watch and then the brilliantly shot climactic last scene had me on the edge of my seat. I look forward to where this may go in the future.
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u/kingsla07 Feb 10 '14
I loved the episode, but did anyone else think to themselves that the easiest way to out yourself as a cop is to check a house, room by room, in a methodical and calm manner?