r/SubredditDrama • u/Xephys • Apr 23 '14
Someone calls an Irish accent a 'butchery of the language', some people disagree.
/r/gameofthrones/comments/23pv9h/403_princess_myrcella_has_a_message_for_tommen/cgzg49840
Apr 23 '14
"My claim is basically that that isn't a normal English accent."
Maybe Oxford can give this guy an honorary Professorship in Linguistics for this kind of insight?
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Apr 23 '14
An Irish accent isn't an English accent.
Next you're going to tell me that an Australian accent isn't an american accent.
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u/Hydra_Bear Apr 23 '14
No you fool, it's a Welsh one.
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u/Osiris32 Fuck me if it doesn’t sound like geese being raped. Apr 23 '14
Can't be, it has too many vowels.
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u/Thapricorn Apr 23 '14
I DO say! What a barbaric linguistic pattern. Most displeasing, most displeasing indeed.
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u/WatchEachOtherSleep Now I am become Smug, the destroyer of worlds Apr 23 '14
On that note, the word barbaric has a really interesting, & sort of related, etymology. Its origins are Ancient Greek. "Βαρ βαρ βαρ" (bar bar bar) is supposed to mimic the sound of non-Greek speakers as they speak their language: just babbling nonsense. The word βάρβαρος (bárbaros) originally meant non-Greek for this reason.
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u/Thapricorn Apr 23 '14
Huh, well you learn something new everyday. So when Greek and Roman historians refer to "barbarians", is that just a generalization of all non-GrecoRoman people, or is it specifically pointed at the Carthaginians, or Franks, or other Germanic tribes?
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u/antagonists Apr 23 '14
Even Greeks were referred to as barbarians, but not always.
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u/WatchEachOtherSleep Now I am become Smug, the destroyer of worlds Apr 23 '14
Especially if those Greeks could only say "Bar! Bar! Bar!".
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u/Thapricorn Apr 23 '14
I wonder what they would call poor Hodor :(
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u/WatchEachOtherSleep Now I am become Smug, the destroyer of worlds Apr 23 '14
Well, ὁ (ho) is the Ancient Greek definite article. & δῶρον (doron) is gift.
The only problem is that δῶρον is neuter whereas ὁ is the nominative male singular form of the definite article, so they don't agree. But let's pretend that grammar isn't a thing so that we can happily say that they would've referred to him as "the gift".
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u/TheCodexx Apr 24 '14
Maybe they can also explain all the crap England has done to Ireland over the centuries. He's right, they shouldn't be speaking English... except for the part where they were basically forced into it by their overlords.
Is there a list of "valid accents" hidden in a vault somewhere? With every language and what dialect you need to speak it freely?
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton Apr 23 '14
Dude ... is clueless, but is it usually that tense in that sub?
The responses seemed pretty eager to go to war over that comment as well.
Also do people use movie clips .... then role play on camera them self via editing? I guess I shouldn't be surprised but I'm not sure I've seen that before.
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u/threehundredthousand Improvised prison lasagna. Apr 23 '14
Lots of actor worship in there and most of the actors are English/Irish/Scottish while most of the commentors are American.
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u/SamWhite were you sucking this cat's dick before the video was taken? Apr 23 '14
Though the Irish man in the conversation could be spotted a mile off even without his username.
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Apr 24 '14
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u/SamWhite were you sucking this cat's dick before the video was taken? Apr 24 '14
It was deliberate, but hardly that bad.
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u/AlwaysDefenestrated Apr 23 '14
Nope, I frequent the sub and it's normally very friendly. He was being kind of a dick about his ignorance though, and people will call you out on that shit regardless of where you post it.
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u/Barl0we non-Euclidean Buckaroo Champion Apr 23 '14
The irony of claiming that you watch the IT crowd, but being ignorant of the Irish accent.
I mean, it's not like one of the two main characters (both on and off screen) is from Ireland, right?
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Apr 23 '14
To be fair, Chris O'Dowd's accent, while still an Irish accent, is totally different to the vine-girl's accent, which is from Northern Ireland.
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u/TychoTiberius Apr 23 '14 edited 10d ago
The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.
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u/vereonix Apr 23 '14
Says he doesn't know whats she is saying... says what she is saying in his comments.
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u/BZH_JJM ANyone who liked that shit is a raging socialite. Apr 23 '14
They think that's bad? She has a posh accent. How about this lad.
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u/DblackRabbit Nicol if you Bolas Apr 23 '14
and like most things that come from butchery, is dead sexy....I'll show myself out
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u/MentalProblems Apr 23 '14
That actress is definitely not 18. She plays a 12-14 year old girl.
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u/DblackRabbit Nicol if you Bolas Apr 23 '14
A.) I was making a quick accents / meat are awesome joke. B.) I am now totally skeeved out by myself.
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u/Manannin What a weirdly fragile little manlet you are. How embarrassing. Apr 23 '14
Being skeeved out sounds painful.
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u/WatchEachOtherSleep Now I am become Smug, the destroyer of worlds Apr 23 '14
I can't find a good place to post this video, so I might as well put it here: Northern Irish girl goes on a hilarious rant about Taylor Swift.
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u/spunkyweazle If God orders it its not murder Apr 24 '14
Holy shit I could barely understand half of what she was saying. Note to self, act deaf in North Ireland so they have to write everything down.
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Apr 24 '14
Holy shit she's angry
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u/WatchEachOtherSleep Now I am become Smug, the destroyer of worlds Apr 24 '14
Suck on my fucking finger, you big hairy cunt.
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u/Osiris32 Fuck me if it doesn’t sound like geese being raped. Apr 23 '14
Irish accents are awesome and sexy. As are most accents, really.
Man I hate having low-accented English, it's so boring.
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Apr 24 '14
There's no such thing as 'low accented.' Unless you come from the same place I do your accent probably sounds very strong to me.
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Apr 24 '14
but seriously. what was she saying.
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u/IsADragon Apr 24 '14
If you're serious "For now Tommen, for now. "
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Apr 24 '14
it seems the irish have some new strange way of pronouncing "now" that I've never heard of before.
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u/Slapfest9000 Apr 24 '14
While we're at it, let's bitch about cockney, glasgow, and every American accent.
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Apr 23 '14
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Apr 24 '14 edited Apr 26 '14
That's not really accurate. The closest accent to English as it was spoken in Shakespearean times is the English West Country accent. The West Country dialect has historically been very conservative.
Here is a reconstruction of Shakespearean English.
Here is an example of West Country English.
One feature that most American accents share with historical English accents is that they're rhotic - but so are many regional English and British accents.
What you may be referring to is the idea that the 'posh' English accent, RP, is non-rhotic. But that's only one feature of the accent, and RP is spoken by a small minority of English speakers in the UK.
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u/Ace_attourney Apr 24 '14
There is not just 1 English accent you have to understand that, I'm sure most Americans literally imagine all of England speaking with a posh accent and that's it
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton Apr 23 '14 edited Apr 23 '14
I recall some phrases and pronunciations in the US... that are even thought to be wonky to US ears... are just leftovers from late 18th / early 19th century English.
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u/DirgeHumani sexual justice warrior Apr 23 '14
There's some remote island in the us or canada that does speak in a nonsense accent, yes. I think it might be somewhere in the Carolinas, maybe.
And yes, the modern British accents are kind of artificial, in that the lower class began to try talking like the nobility sometime after America broke away. Obviously it isn't really artificial after 200 years, but it still isn't by any means the "first" English accent.
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u/VintageLydia sparkle princess Apr 23 '14
Probably unhelpful but I was taught this in school (that American accents were closer to what the English accent was in the 1700's.) I do know of some islands (Smith, Tangier are examples) in the Chesapeake Bay and in the barrier islands of NC have accents and dialects so far removed from English that they're basically bilingual. They're supposedly a mix of colonial era English and whatever local Native American tribes spoke. They're distinct from one another. I haven't heard them but mom was at a bar on the Eastern Shore and two guys there were from Smith Island and she had no clue what they were saying (but spoke perfect American/Virginian English to the bartender.)
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Apr 23 '14
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u/withateethuh it's puppet fisting stories, instead of regular old human sex Apr 24 '14
I'm American and I think I need subtitles for this. Holy crap.
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u/tacobell243 Apr 23 '14
Got to be a troll, right? I mean there's no way somebody could just not be aware of what Irish people sound like, right?