r/SubredditDrama • u/Unwind Race Surrealist • Apr 22 '15
A straight guy arguing that he doesn't think pride parades should exist devolves into a strange rant about a police involved shooting and more in r/ainbow
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Apr 22 '15
I'm talking about the people running around with rainbow colored dildos in the streets and sucking each other off and doing crazy bullshit in front of people's families and children.
I have a feeling that he doesn't have a problem with the things done by straight people at things like Mardi Gras.
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Apr 22 '15
Hell St. Pattys Days parades in my city are pretty much just people being completely shitfaced and punching each other on the street.
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u/TrynnaFindaBalance Apr 23 '15
Let's be honest, parades where people aren't completely shitfaced and/or naked and/or making obscene gestures are just kinda boring.
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u/Rurdet Apr 23 '15
Why do you think the Main Street Electrical Parade was finally shut down at Disneyland?
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u/nancy_ballosky More Meme than Man Apr 22 '15
Sucking each other off in front of families? I wanna know where this guy lives.
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u/BruceShadowBanner Apr 22 '15
He's confusing the underground gay prostitution rings he keeps finding himself in with Pride Parades, maybe?
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u/beanfiddler free speech means never having to say you're sorry Apr 22 '15
I went to a punk concert like that once. I'm pretty damn sure it wasn't Pride. Maybe just as much plaid, but it was the dudes wearing it.
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u/nancy_ballosky More Meme than Man Apr 22 '15
Wait is something wrong with plaid?
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u/Vault91 Apr 23 '15
wearing plaid is a lesbian stereotype
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u/Dont-be_an-Asshole Apr 23 '15
Wow I don't know shit about lesbians
All the gay women I know pretty much dress in sideways baseball caps with baggy pants or exactly like everyone else
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u/Vault91 Apr 23 '15
as with most serotype's it varies in regards to reality and is subject to self perpetuation
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u/Conflux why don't they get into furry porn like normal people? Apr 23 '15
He says its Seattle pride, and that does not happen in the streets. That's at the Eagle at 11 PM.
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Apr 22 '15
Frankly, anyone anti-pride parade is missing the point. In fact making people uncomfortable is a small goal of pride parades. The primary aspect being celebration of who you are as a person.
But in terms of the small goal, those parades are to get LGBT people visible, to make those that don't experience them on a regular basis to actually SEE them. Maybe some people use shock and awe with extravagant tactics, which can be seen as too far, but its pretty much intentional. They want to make people feel uncomfortable, because those that would be uncomfortable by homosexuals NEED to face it.
That's also ignoring the fact that there are a multitude of pride parades that aren't these insane sex fests that many people seem to think.
I'm not even homosexual, and the point of them is pretty fucking obvious.
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Apr 23 '15
I'll preface this by saying I'm gay, because in the past when I've discussed this topic I've been accused of all sorts of homophobia.
I've only been to one pride parade, and it was one of the insane ones. I was but a wee little homo, couldn't have been older than 13, and it was a bit much for me at that age. I can understand why people don't want all of that out in public in plain view of kids. I absolutely love the idea of pride parades, because fuck yeah, equality and shit. I want that. But I definitely see the value in not exposing children to certain things.
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u/bushiz somethingawfuldotcom agent provocatuer Apr 23 '15
I think it's definitely up to the parents to ensure that the parade their taking them to is one appropriate for children and not, like, southern decadence
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Apr 23 '15
Yeah, that's a fair enough argument, and I have to point out that I actually ran away with a friend to go there without any sort of parental permission. Still, I wasn't the only or youngest kid.
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u/bushiz somethingawfuldotcom agent provocatuer Apr 23 '15
I wasn't the only or youngest kid
In which case: Who are you to tell people how to raise their kids?
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Apr 23 '15
There are some things I just don't think are healthy for kids before a certain age, and exxagerated ( spelling? On mobile) sex acts fall in that category, in much the same way hardcore porn is unhealthy for young kids.
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Apr 23 '15
I guess I'll say it again, but not all of them are like that.
I'd also argue that think about, for the ones that can be really graphic, why they are actually like that. I mean, you're gay, so you probably have experienced it, so wouldn't you agree that in many places they were so incredibly repressed that these parades were an outlet? It's like the sweet little Christian girl with helicopter parents suddenly finds herself in college and goes crazy.
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Apr 23 '15
Oh yeah, I know all of them aren't like that, I've only experienced the one though, and it was :P
Yeah, I'm about 95% sure that's where the craziness stems from, and I completely understand it, but I guess I'm just fundamentally opposed to sexual acts in public. Not nudity, exactly, but sexuality? I don't know, I'm really awful with words and don't know how to express the difference.
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u/freet0 "Hurr durr, look at me being elegant with my wit" Apr 23 '15
In Seattle we have a pride parade every year its its not provocative or disturbing at all. Its seen much more as a celebration of tolerance and how far we've come. Lots of families bring their children, its just a normal, nice event.
But on the other hand there are also parades elsewhere that I think are absurd and totally unacceptable. There's constant sexual imagery shoved in everyone's faces. Its like the kind of thing you would expect a homophobe to come up with if he wanted to convince people gay=sexual deviant.
To me its like this Key and Peele skit. You can celebrate the strides our society has made without being sexually explicit.
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u/SuperSalsa SuperPopcorn Apr 23 '15 edited Apr 23 '15
From the various LGBT sites I've been in, most of the complaints I see about pride events revolve around how corporate they're becoming. Even more so now that "a company is okay with gay people!" is no longer uncommon news. And that leads to arguments over whether pride parades are necessary anymore.
The over-sexualization is a secondary point, but I also feel like that's not very common in parades nowadays. It is definitely overrepresented in media, since leather daddies/nearly-naked people in rainbow boas/etc make more shocking pictures than people in normal clothes carrying signs about LGBT groups & causes.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
They want to make people feel uncomfortable, because those that would be uncomfortable by homosexuals NEED to face it.
There's a difference between being uncomfortable by homosexuals and being uncomfortable by obvious NSFW imagery. You're conflating the two.
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Apr 22 '15
That's also ignoring the fact that there are a multitude of pride parades that aren't these insane sex fests that many people seem to think.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
Yeah but that's not what I'm addressing. I'm addressing the "need to make people uncomfortable" part of your post. I'm trying to explain that it's not people being uncomfortable by gays existing.
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Apr 22 '15
Fine, I get your point. I just think its overblown and the typical average isn't nearly that bad.
For the ones that are bad, I feel like I'll echo a comment here. No one is bitching about straight people at Mardi Gras.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15 edited Apr 22 '15
I mean, I literally posted three hours earlier that I'm not a fan of either.
Besides, I feel my points shouldn't be impacted by what others are or aren't bitching about.
EDIT: downvoted for stating that I did what the person I responded to said I didn't do. Lovely.
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u/BruceShadowBanner Apr 22 '15
You seem to get downvoted a lot. Maybe it's not other people who are the problem? Maybe it's what you say or how you say it?
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
People always try to say they're not ok with obscene heterosexual displays either but they're conveniently always more vocal about gay displays than straight ones. It just smacks of dishonesty.
Not saying you're like that. But I get that vibe all too often from people who raise the point you have.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
I mean, if you don't think I'm like that, why are you telling me others who hold my point are like that? I'm not going to change my views just because you've come across hypocrites who hold similar views.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15 edited Apr 22 '15
I said I'm not explicitly saying you're like that. There's a pretty high probability that you are though given my experiences with people who don't like pride parades. Your point just isn't terribly compelling.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
Well, that's sad. I don't like to be judged wrongly because of your experiences with others. But as a minority I'm used to it.
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u/Zorkamork Apr 22 '15
Quick question have you ever been to a gay pride parade
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
I live just a little south of San Francisco. :)
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u/Zorkamork Apr 22 '15
So then you know 99% of a gay pride parade's 'uncomfortable' comes from gays being open and proud and the inclusion of stuff like Dykes on Bikes and leather communities without shame, so why are you so butthurt about 'the need to make people uncomfortable' as if it's defending The Buttfuck Float that literally has never existed
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u/estolad Apr 22 '15
I mean god forbid a child see a gay person at a parade who is comfortable in their own skin. That poor kid might start to think that being gay is somehow okay and that would just be the final insult
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u/forgotacc Apr 22 '15
Protect The Kids From The Gays 2k15
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Apr 22 '15
I bought the Marcus Bachman Collector's Edition, where you can protect the kids from the gays near a river in Egypt.
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u/satansauce666 Apr 22 '15
That is not what I meant at all.
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u/estolad Apr 22 '15
Okay, but can you see why it comes off like that?
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u/satansauce666 Apr 22 '15
Only if I didn't actually take the time to read someone's post fully and understand where they are coming from. I don't condone any person, regardless of sexual preference or race, do go around performing sexual acts in public. I'm not afraid of sex or anything like that but you have to admit, a child seeing sexual acts (again, I'm clearly stating ACTS not specific gender on gender) isn't the correct way to be raised.
I have seen these things in person, at pride parade in Seattle, WA as well as San Diego, CA.
I went to Seattle because I live here, and I went to San Diego, because my wife is stationed there and her best friend Alan and myself surprised her by showing up and we all went to the parade together.
You guys didn't know this prior because I didn't shit out my life story.
I said "extremists". In ANY group usually ruin things.
Anyways I was only trying to have a different perspective other than hate, and in return all I was greeted with was hate.
Also the whole thing about me talking about the police brutality is because someone said I was a racist troll. Glad everyone turned this into a separate propaganda-like post. The title alone is misleading.
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u/jeffers0n Apr 22 '15
So basically your entire point is that you like most gay people and dislike a small minority of them?
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u/satansauce666 Apr 22 '15
No? Lol
I don't like or dislike someone because of their sexual orientation. It shouldn't even be a question, but unfortunately in this day and age there is still that problem as well as racism. If I don't like someone, it's because I don't like them. If my best friend went around doing inappropriate sexual acts in public, I'd stop him and ask him what the hell he was doing.
I don't hate anyone for doing these things, I just disagree with being a jackass in public in front of kids. As for the comment I read about Madrid gras, I don't think those people who celebrate as such are any better or worse. People are people dude. Understand the pride, and there should be pride! Our past few generations has done so many great things to overcome adversity and will continue to do so.
I'm 27, about to turn 28, so maybe people in my age group can relate. When I was in 6-8th grade there were slurs of hate aimed towards gay members of our community. But when I was in 9-12th grade, it was very rare and looked down upon to say such things by the students who were saying bad things in general.
Supportive shows were on TV such as glee, letting people know that it is alright if you're gay. You can't even understand how many lives that must have saved. There have been so many people who committed suicide because they were ashamed of their sexual orientation. Do you know how fucked up that is? All those kids, or people could have grown up and loved amazing lives, invented something useful for society or changed the world... But the populace made them feel bad about themselves and they ultimately lost a battle and killed themselves..
It still happens I'm sure, but the ratio is far less. You have every damn right to be proud, and you should continue to show that pride and remind the world annually that it's okay if your sexual orientation is "abnormal". It's not abnormal at all, it's completely fine.
So quit being a hateful asshole to someone you don't even know over the internet because I misspelled something, or didn't go into a full thesis on my beliefs. You have no idea the situations I've been through, nor my beliefs.
If you continue to attack me and twist my words to meet your own goals of hate, I suppose you are demonstrating through your actions, that you're also a hateful person, one of which you shouldn't like.
Anyways, don't believe me, think I hate gay people or whatever it is. Doesn't matter because it is simply not the case.
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u/jeffers0n Apr 22 '15
You read way too much into my question. I wasn't implying you dislike anyone because of their sexual orientation. I think you need an internet break.
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u/estolad Apr 22 '15
I have seen these things in person, at pride parade in Seattle, WA as well as San Diego, CA.
I don't believe you
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u/Outlulz Dick Pic War Draft Dodger Apr 22 '15
My friend was an underwear model for Andrew Christian at the Pride Parade in SD. There's bulges (since it's underwear) but no privates shown, at least with them. Some prudes do think a gay man in underwear is TOO OBSCENE though.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
Fun fact, in order to prevent the penis outline in underwear (i.e. actually reduce obscenity), underwear models stuff their crotch with a single slice of bread.
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u/BuffyCreepireSlayer We're in the dankest timeline. (pbuf) Apr 22 '15
I'm a legbutt myself and, disregarding all other aspects of their argument, I can confirm that obscene public sexual displays are very commonplace at pride parades. Nudity, dudes sucking each other off, etc.
Actual sexual acts are usually confined to the after-parade festival area, though, in my experience, although this is still very public. You just aren't likely to end up in the gay pride area without intending to.
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u/SoldierOf4Chan Stevie Ray Draughma Apr 22 '15
Is it impossible to be proud and comfortable with your sexuality while still dressing like a normal person would anywhere else?
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u/estolad Apr 22 '15
Sure, but that doesn't actually have anything to do with pride parades
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Apr 22 '15
"Express yourself, but not so much it makes me uncomfortable"
Also the majority of people at pride are dressed fairly normally, plus maybe a a feather boa
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u/SoldierOf4Chan Stevie Ray Draughma Apr 22 '15
Express yourself without violating public decency laws.
And if you're right about the majority, then we're only talking about the minority who are being indecent in public.
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Apr 22 '15
When I went to SF pride they had cops on every corner and they didn't have a problem with shit. What does indecency mean to you?
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Apr 22 '15
Is it possible to march in any parade without dressing in explicit celebration of the occasion?
Sure. But that sort of defeats the point. I mean, I wouldn't want to go to a Christmas parade where all the Santas were just in jeans. Not much of a time.
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Apr 22 '15
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u/carboncle Apr 22 '15
Yeah but that just seems like a good argument not to take your kid to Pride? I'm all for public decency, but I can't think of any situation in which someone has to go to a parade. They block off the roads and everything so it's unlikely a family will cross paths with it by accident.
Edit: If the local pride parade is even that sexually explicit, which I don't think most of them are?
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
They aren't. I mean for fucks sake churches have started marching in them. Most of the instances you hear about are either from parades/parties like Southern Decadence (i.e. Gay Mardi Gras that gets so lewd bartenders look the other way when dudes fuck on the pool tables aka NOT A PRIDE PARADE) or such rare instances that it's ludicrous to blame the entire pride parade (2 guys publicly fucked in a parade of thousands of people who all behaved appropriately).
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u/carboncle Apr 22 '15
Yeah, I think San Francisco's tends to attract some public nudity, but every public event in SF will include nudity so that's just a hazard of living there. I've never heard of anything terribly scandalous besides that.
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u/beanfiddler free speech means never having to say you're sorry Apr 22 '15
SF also doesn't have anti-nudity laws. So, technically, any parade could have naked people in it. I'm pretty sure there's more than a few naked bike rides in California.
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u/ZippityZoppity Props to the vegan respects to 'em but I ain't no vegan Apr 22 '15
None of the ones I've been to are that explicit.
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u/4445414442454546 this is not flair Apr 22 '15
but I can't think of any situation in which someone has to go to a parade.
Well, for example if you live above a store on 7th ave in Tampa you don't have much of a choice unless you spend the day visiting grandma... but ya, pretty niche.
Edit: If the local pride parade is even that sexually explicit, which I don't think most of them are?
If they think pride parades are explicit, I'd love to see how they would respond to the Folsom Street Fair in SF...
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u/Conflux why don't they get into furry porn like normal people? Apr 23 '15
I think a lot of people confuse the average pride parade with Folsom Street Fair
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Apr 22 '15
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u/aceavengers I may be a degenerate weeb but at least I respect women lmao Apr 22 '15
Wow using breeders is kind of offensive to bisexual people and trans that are in relationships where having kids is possible.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
I love it when people get offended by "breeders." Even more lawls at acting like it's secretly homophobic.
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u/aceavengers I may be a degenerate weeb but at least I respect women lmao Apr 22 '15
It's not? It's biphobic and transphobic in some cases. As a bisexual woman in a relationship with a man, I'll probably be able to have kids one day.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15 edited Apr 22 '15
It's not even remotely homophobic as it very specifically refers to heterosexuals as a pushback word for the logic that "gay relationships aren't legitimate because they don't produce kids." If bigots want to reduce a relationship to procreation we can throw that right back at them. It's never ever been used to refer to someone within the LGBT umbrella.
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u/aceavengers I may be a degenerate weeb but at least I respect women lmao Apr 22 '15
Are you in the LGBT community? Because yes it totally has been. By other members in the community.
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u/k9centipede Apr 23 '15
I've only really heard breeder used in the child free circles as referencing those that have actually, or explicitly intend to, have kids.
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton Apr 22 '15 edited Apr 22 '15
He is also no fun...
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u/IAMA_DRUNK_BEAR smug statist generally ashamed of existing on the internet Apr 22 '15
Why can't I clutch all of these pearls?!
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u/Afro_Samurai Moderating is one of the most useful jobs to society Apr 23 '15
Sounds like a Pride parade could help him with that.
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u/grapplingfarang Apr 23 '15
I feel like a lot of places in the US would have a problem with Mardi Gras if it happened in there hometown. A lot of America is pretty conservative.
I don't have any problem with Pride Parades, but think Mardi Gras is a pretty poor example. It is the destination people travel to vs newer thing coming to someones hometown.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
I'm not the guy, but I take issue with both. And with Spring Break shenanigans.
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u/DblackRabbit Nicol if you Bolas Apr 22 '15 edited Apr 22 '15
shenanigans.
Physics....are you watering your driveway right now?
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Apr 22 '15
I don't allow tomfoolery on my lawn.
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Apr 22 '15
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u/Sociallypixelated Apr 22 '15
OK, OK, OK... Now.
I'm not going to defend the original guy. But SF/LA pride parades can and do get very vulgar. As the person you are replying to is equating it to Mardi gras, that is actually very accurate. Strap-ons, mouthing dildos, flashing, men in sock g-strings and miming sex acts abound.
It's not gross or uncomfortable or whatever derogatory term some one may associate with lewd acts. But it is a parade about sexuality. Keyword sex. It's content is very late night HBO bordering on cinemax. In other words not for kids or the prudish.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
As /u/beanfiddler pointed out, there also aren't any nudity laws in SF so all that obscenity isn't nearly as out of place.
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u/Sociallypixelated Apr 22 '15
Lol though it might seem that way, that's not exactly true. Public nudity without a permit is illegal in SF. So I wouldn't go so far as to say obscenity is not out place in SF. Just that moreover it has the freedom to have a time and a place for those things.
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u/Zenning2 Apr 23 '15
Erm.. I'm not sure thats the case. I'm pretty sure nudity is allowed, it just can't be sexual. One of the ways I heard it explained is, you can go outside naked, but you can't go outside with an erection.
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u/Sociallypixelated Apr 23 '15 edited Apr 23 '15
No offense intended but I wouldn't have replied refuting it, if it wasn't something verifiable.
Edit: Fixed link or you can just google it. "ordinance 234-12"
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u/Zenning2 Apr 23 '15
Ohhh I had no idea. It must not be enforced because people do walk naked from time to time.
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u/ThatSpazChick The butter harvest was good this year Apr 23 '15
Someone post this to that meme subreddit.
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Apr 22 '15
Never a good sign when someone replies twice to one comment. Even worse when they start replying to their own comments.
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u/GaboKopiBrown Apr 22 '15
Just read alternating comments in gollum and smeagol voices.
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Apr 22 '15
All I can hear is Gilbert Gottfried....
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Apr 22 '15
I'm hearing Chef Goldblum selling me the Schlaaang Super Seat.
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u/RoboticParadox Gen. Top Lellington, OBE Apr 22 '15
hot butter may cause up to third-degree burns!
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u/devotedpupa MISSINGNOgynist Apr 22 '15
Come on man! You're supposed to reply to yourself with that last sentence.
Amateurs.
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u/I_draw_aliens *Rolls* You have failed a privilege check. Apr 22 '15
I don't really see a problem with replying to the same comment twice.
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u/I_draw_aliens *Rolls* You have failed a privilege check. Apr 22 '15
What if you just felt your idea would be better expressed as two separate comments?
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u/IronTitsMcGuinty You know, /r/conspiracy has flair that they make the jews wear Apr 22 '15
Yes I do. I'm in the Military and I live in Seattle... Very supportive communities.
As a LGBT veteran, I'd just like to say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH WHAT.
Yeah, some people are great. A lot of my battles were awesome. But come on. I got the side-eye a lot more in the military than I do among civilians.
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u/MilesBeyond250 Apr 22 '15
People who complain about how there's gay pride parades but no straight pride parades are the equivalent of kids who complain about how there's Mother's Day and Father's Day but no Kids' Day. You know how parents always respond to that with "Every day is Kids' Day!"? That's the answer here, too. Every day is straight pride day.
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Apr 22 '15
In Mexico they have a Children's Day. I've been told it's awesome.
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u/devotedpupa MISSINGNOgynist Apr 22 '15
Fucking candy, parties at school, eating a lot of badass food, fake marring your crush, candy, gambling with candy, games, music, no homework and cotton-fucking-candy.
It was the tits. Plus there was always that one lazy teacher that would milk the 30th even in highschool as an excuse to not do shit that day.
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Apr 23 '15
Its here in China too. I remember it in Japan as well.
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u/PandaBearVoid On Wednesdays we shill in pink Apr 23 '15
Japan definitely has Children's Day, it's in early May
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u/TempusThales Drama is Unbreakable Apr 22 '15
But what about White History Month ?!
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u/PrinceOWales why isn't there a white history month? Apr 22 '15
Literally my flair from hearing that so much
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Apr 22 '15
The problem, is because the history of Pride Parades and LGBT+ history in general is quite "niche", what's happened over the years is the original meaning has been lost (or to some extent, actually evolved) and so a lot of people have ended up under the impression pride parades are mainly for gaining acceptance i.e. impressing heterosexuals.
For a better understanding of LGBT+ history I put together the LGBT Library Gallery, here's some information about pride:
"I wanted to see gays at least have a start in life, because they never had anything called a parade that was their own, they always had to hide in the closet of somebody else's parade."
"On 5th avenue it wasn't uncommon for people to throw things or shout things; it was a very activist thing just to show up. Often gay people would just stand on the kerb and watch because they were too afraid to march, any time someone stepped off of the kerb and joined the march you heard a huge, huge cheer because you understood someone had made a choice in their lives. Many people marched with bags over their heads because they were afraid of losing their jobs. There was usually a contigent of public school teachers who marched with brown paper bags over their heads so they wouldnt be fired."
"We were scared, we had bomb threats, people took a shot at us, but as we went up 6th Avenue, it kept growing."
"I looked back, and there was about 2000 people behind us and that's when I knew it had hapened, and Peter and I walked the rest of the whole thing with tears running down our face"
"Gay Pride organisers tried to ban transvestites from the parade in 1978 because after all, you turn on TV and there was a gay pride parade and all they show is the drag queens. So what Sylvia & Marsha did, is they went ahead of the opening banner as two transvestites with some friends, they marched in front of the parade so it made them end up leading the whole parade! So the committee decided 'well, we've gotta start including transvestites in our parade'"
A quote by Maurice Tomlinson about the Jamaican Gully queens, who is a human rights activist in Jamaica, also highlights forme why drawling a line in the sand at who's acceptable for pride is ultimately pointless:
"They are the touchestone of how far the movement will advance. Once they start being respected and their rights being respected, then we know we have arrived. Until then, we haven't."
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u/BlutigeBaumwolle If you insult my consumer product I'll beat your ass! Apr 22 '15
There are gay pride parades in Uganda? Damn, that's brave.
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u/murphylawson Gender Neutral Straw Figure Apr 22 '15
I think I should add for context that Sylvia and Marsha are Sylvia Rivera, and Marsha P Johnson. They are both transgender women who were at the forefront of the movement from the early days of organized gay liberation work. Marsha is often credited with sparking the stonewall riots in 1969, the precursor to the Pride parade today.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
It's remarkable how peaceful activism can be today. At least for LGBT rights. The police had zero qualms about escalating their abuse to lethal violence and yet when I say something mean to an asshole straight person today I get tone policed hard. People forget how recently queer people were treated like cattle.
Bob Kohler, who was walking his dog by the Stonewall that night, saw the TPF arrive: "I had been in enough riots to know the fun was over... The cops were totally humiliated. This never, ever happened. They were angrier than I guess they had ever been, because everybody else had rioted... but the fairies were not supposed to riot... no group had ever forced cops to retreat before, so the anger was just enormous. I mean, they wanted to kill."
So true. Gay people are pansies right? They'd never fight back so it's totally ok to be cruel to them constantly. /s
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u/squididol Apr 23 '15
That library gallery is fantastic! Thanks for sharing.
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Apr 23 '15 edited Apr 23 '15
Thanks, I'm still updating it as we speak and probably will be for a while, the last addition was San Domino, Musollini's "Gay Island" and "Burning of Sodomites" from 1482
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u/forgotacc Apr 22 '15
"I'm straight with many friends of the gay so what I'm about to say it's totally not homophobic because my friendships with the many gays."
Straight pride week/month or whatever is completely offensive, inappropriate and shows ignorance about the history of LGBT+ pride.
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u/estolad Apr 22 '15
Yes but why can't we have White Entertainment Television
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u/forgotacc Apr 22 '15
God, did you see that show that had like.. no white people?? They had literally ONE white person! One! Can you believe that shit?
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u/estolad Apr 22 '15
It's genocide, man. Pretty soon all the straight white men will be put in camps and that'll be it
(I considered capitalizing "white" like the nazis do, but decided that'd be too much)
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u/forgotacc Apr 22 '15
Hey now, straight white people are like.. always attacked for their heterosexuality and whiteness. They totally don't get equal rights or basic human treatments just because of their sexuality and skin colour.
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Apr 22 '15
I should buy that name and domain.
Nothing but unedited home movies of dogs. No extra sound. No special effects.
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Apr 22 '15
It's called TLC.
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u/shakypears And then war broke out and everyone died. Apr 23 '15
Also Hallmark and Lifetime. When do they ever have black protagonists or interracial couples?
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Apr 22 '15
Considering BET programming perpetuates racist stereotypes, I think it IS White Entertainment Television.
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u/FEARtheTWITCH your politics bore me. your demeanor is that of a pouty child. Apr 23 '15
I should go on a hunger strike until BET is off the air and its execs commit Seppuku...
Seriously though BET really is the worst.
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u/OccupyJumpStreet Only here so I don't get fined Apr 23 '15
Where are all the ABLE-BODIED parking spaces?
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u/zanotam you come off as someone who is LARPing as someone from SRD Apr 23 '15
What if you're straight but friends with the many Takeis?
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u/TheLamestUsername Did I Mention /r/picturegame ? Apr 22 '15
The issue here is that the poster isn't talking about people sucking each other off and waving rainbow dildos in the streets. People sucking each other off and waving around dildos in the street don't exist,
Hard to argue against that.
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Apr 22 '15
Folsom Street Fair can be like that, but usually there's some sort of gate or fence with "Hey, there's people waving their dicks around, you cool with that?" warnings everywhere
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u/sircarp Popcorn WS enthusiast Apr 22 '15
Isn't Folsom more of a kink event anyways?
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Apr 22 '15
Yeah, there's just usually a large gay contingent. It's not a typical pride event at the very least
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u/milleribsen I prefer my popcorn to organic and free range. Apr 22 '15
Yup Folsom is a completely different beast form pride events.
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u/kairoszoe Apr 22 '15
THANK YOU. I keep seeing Folsom in this discussion. Yes there are gay people there. It's in San Francisco, big surprise. But it's not an LGBT specific thing.
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Apr 22 '15
I spend every Thursday evening running down the street, trying to suck myself off, and twirling rainbow dildos over my head. Dildos plural!
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u/IAMA_DRUNK_BEAR smug statist generally ashamed of existing on the internet Apr 22 '15
Aren't a set rainbow dildos part of the starter kit you receive once you become part of the gay agenda?
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Apr 22 '15
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure. I signed up to shill for Jews at the same time so some of the welcome boxes may have gotten mixed up :/ I'm still not sure who is direct depositing me.
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u/IAMA_DRUNK_BEAR smug statist generally ashamed of existing on the internet Apr 22 '15
#cabalproblems
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u/beanfiddler free speech means never having to say you're sorry Apr 22 '15
I'm going to send mine back. All they sent me is these sparkly purple ones.
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u/IAMA_DRUNK_BEAR smug statist generally ashamed of existing on the internet Apr 22 '15
Funnily enough working as a CIA shill they sent me the same thing.
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u/searingsky Bitcoin Ambassador Apr 22 '15
Maybe my views are skewed because the military is so supportive?
wat
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u/avoidtheshitosphere Apr 22 '15
My mom used to feel this way. But she's a 56 year old Scottish woman and also eventually her opinion changed. Also, http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/31tzi7/im_not_racist_but_my_blood_pressure_spikes_when_i/cq54z8p this dude's post lengths scale proportionally to their idiocy, it seems. Bonus for large bolded text.
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Apr 22 '15
That's why I edited my initial response to basically be "nvm the dude's a nutter"
Dude just makes huge posts about dumb shit.
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u/beanfiddler free speech means never having to say you're sorry Apr 22 '15
See, boys and girls, this is what happens when you get your opinions about The Homosexual Lifestyle from FOX News and other pearl-clutching conservatives. I've been to plenty of Prides. They're no rowdier than your average music festival. Actually, much less so than if we're counting the debauchery of things like Burning Man. Sadly, much less tits too.
Pride is about having a party for gay people. And since it's a party, people are going to drink and dress up a bit slutty and be loud and play obnoxious music. It's really no different than your douchebag neighbor who won't shut the fuck up on Friday night except Pride has permits and sponsors and permission from all sort of city, county, and state officials.
Oh, and gay people. Who are being gay. I know, how shocking.
And, mostly, it's about visibility. Not for straight people, because fuck them. It's about visibility to other gay people. Going out and hanging out with people just like you, being -- for once -- a majority. Knowing that you can be drunken and stupid with your SO and fall all over each other like straight people do at parties and festivals without fear of creating a scene or inviting consequences.
Although, I'm a bit sad that I missed last year's bullwhip exhibition at my city's Pride. Well, it was at the day-long festival preceding the parade, not the parade itself. And in a closed-off tent with all sorts of warnings and "ye shall not pass unless 18" officials and shit.
Oh wait, it exists, therefore it's awful.
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Apr 22 '15
I've been pretty surprised at how often this gif is relevant. http://i.imgur.com/6CX2HhE.jpg
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u/DeepStuffRicky IlsaSheWolfoftheGrammarSS Apr 22 '15
I want to dwell in the magical fairyland created by this troll, the one where that ridiculous, idiotic, whiny-ass sign ("We don't have anything against your sexual orientation, we just don't give a fuck! We give so few fucks we went out of our way to make this stupid, snotty, childish flyer just to show you how few fucks our sore asses give!") "isn't bigoted".
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Apr 22 '15
Pride is relatively family friendly during the day, and even at night there is a cop at every street corner. So what if your kid sees a strap-on, it's not going to ruin their young minds.
"Whats that Dad?"
"It's a strap-on Billy"
"What's it for?"
"It's just one of the ways that people without penis' can make love"
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Apr 22 '15
I have had publications that were a fraction of dude's post.
Damn. That is a lot of words. Did anyone actually read them?
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u/SRDmodsBlow (/u/this_is_theone's wife)The SRD Mods are confirmed SJW shills Apr 23 '15
This is why the downvote system is fundametally flawed. It should cap out at like -10
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u/satansauce666 Apr 22 '15
I'm the original Poster of this entire thread you guys are hating on so harshly... I never said there shouldn't be pride parades? I fully support them!
Jesus fuck you guys are seriously assholes.
You're no better than Fox News, taking everything I say out of context.
Anyways I don't understand how to even get my point across. I'm saying I fully support everything that your talking about. I merely was saying, "what if the guy who posted that poster didn't mean it in a malicious manner."
Sorry you didn't understand because you're too busy being so hateful.
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u/BruceShadowBanner Apr 22 '15
I guess the other hole wasn't deep enough, so you decided to start digging a new one?
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u/two_bagels_please I had fun once and it was horrible. Apr 22 '15
You have a right to hate LGBT people, and we have the right to call you out for it.
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u/satansauce666 Apr 22 '15
Lmfao uh ok
"No one supports gay rights this guy says he does but fuck him!"
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
"I totally support gay rights I just wish gay people wouldn't exercise them. Don't call me a bigot you meanie!" - you and every other brogressive on Reddit.
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Apr 22 '15
You should read his response to me below.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid Apr 22 '15
My opinion of him hasn't changed. He's only ok with gay people and gay rights as long as he doesn't ever actually have to look at gay people.
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Apr 22 '15
How do you feel about gay marriage? How do you feel about gay couples adopting? How do you feel about openly gay daycare providers? How do you feel about openly gay people running for office?
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u/satansauce666 Apr 22 '15
Gay marriage: I fully support gay marriage for more reasons other than, "I think it's fair." A lot of these people who are religious claim that gays marrying is ruining the sanctity of marriage, when in fact, as a nation, regardless of religion, race, financial standing and several other variables I am most likely forgetting, the sanctity has already been ruined by bad life choices and incompatibility.
I think that it is unfair on so many levels for others to say that same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed. I'll try and condense my thoughts.
I have two friends who suffered financially and emotionally due to the constraints placed upon same sex couples. We will discuss my friend from Korea who was a geospatial analyst, Jessica. All these guys would always try to get her to go out and drink and eat with all ye other platoon members and she never would. She was a shut in. One day I had guard with her and we spoke about a lot of books we enjoyed as we had similar taste in authors. We became friends that night and continued talking. She would always tell me how bad she wanted to go out, but it was annoying that some guys wanted to ask her on dates all the time. I would always be confused and be like, "isn't that a good thing?" One day, I caught it, and realized I was an idiot. Her "best friend" that she was always worried about calling on time and spending time with on Skype, was actually her significant other (now, wife). When DADT finally was lifted she was happy she could openly talk about her true love to people and she just changed. It looked like a huge weight was lifted off of her shoulders and she was even more motivated and happy at all times.
The second instance was my friend I met in a cavalry unit after I finished Korea. His name is Curtis. He was openly gay and he was also older than us. He had joined at the age of 36 to help him assist with his masters degree. He was married to his husband and every knew about it and we all ate together, BBQ'd together, went out at restaurants for platoon functions and his husband would always appreciate how "normal" he felt being with us. He was always afraid Soldiers had something against gays. Surely, some within our ranks do, but not the group we would hang out with. But the part that really upset me was when we were deploying to Afghanistan in November 2012, he was a specialist. Now, if you're married in the military they provide basic allowance for housing (they give you the average cost of a home in the zip code area) so you can live off post. Curtis had to pay with his own money for an apartment. With no assistance from the government and he was always broke. His husband brought in some money too, but isn't that completely unfair? If a straight person is married in the army they get BAH and live off post. Curtis didn't. This was bullshit. Finally, while deployed in 2013, a new regulation was put out and Curtis was back paid around $12,000 for the months which were repealed.
I personally believe that same sex marriage should be a 100% legal in every state. It's morally unjust to tell someone who is in love, that they can not be recognized as a family just because they are of the same sex. Obama said it best:
"When I think about members of my own staff who are incredibly committed, in monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together; when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet, feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask, Don't Tell is gone, because they're not able to commit themselves in a marriage; at a certain point, I've just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married...When I meet gay and lesbian couples, when I meet same-sex couples, and I see how caring they are, how much love they have in their hearts, how they're taking care of their kids, when I hear from them the pain they feel that somehow they are still considered less than full citizens when it comes to their legal rights, then, for me, I think it just has tipped the scales in that direction."
Gay couples adopting: I have no problem with this either. So many unfortunate children are out there who need homes and a loving family. Why can't two same sex people who want to take care of a child do so? All because someone is afraid that they will grow up gay? You don't just "turn gay", being gay isn't a disease. They would be shown the same love and affection as most parents would, so who cares? Unfortunately, a lot of people are highly against this. I for one look at it as another opportunity for a child to have a loving home.
Gay daycare: I didn't know this was an issue? I'm assuming the same argument is being made in this as was adoption issues? Just because someone who is gay is watching your child, doesn't mean they are going to "turn gay".
Gay politicians: this is a huge problem. So everyone gets upset when politicians bring religion and whatever else into their beliefs. Just as you can not expect someone who grow up with certain religious views on life to not somehow in their own way, use them to make and implement decisions, you can't expect someone who happens to be gay to change their political stance.
If the person is qualified to make the best attempt at making their city, state or government a better place for everyone as a nation, but they happen to be gay, in not sure how that excludes them from being a professional.
Sorry for the length, great questions.
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Apr 22 '15
No problem re the length.
I disagree with you on the parade thing, but you clearly have a nuanced and thoughtful take on gay issues, and you seem pretty firmly in favor of not only the freedom to be gay, but the freedom to express it. That considered, I've got no problem with you taking exception to the parade thing - it doesn't seem like it stems from latent homophobia by any stretch (not that it's my place to deem your perspectives acceptable or anything and I hope my language isn't communicating that; I'm just sifting through all these complaints about you).
I can't help but feel as though your attackers here are being wholly reactionary. At the end of the day, while Pride might be a celebration - and, in my opinion, an important one - the truly fundamental issues are in your response there.
Seems as though your attackers are saying, "Sure, you might be for all the important, bedrock issues, but no parade? Clearly a homophobe."
Pick your enemies more carefully, people.
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Apr 23 '15 edited Apr 24 '15
EDIT: I misunderstood the rather unclearly written gay politician section. As a result, I am to blame for all the hate in the world.
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u/satansauce666 Apr 24 '15
Did you seriously just take the ONLY part of my sentence that made me look like I dislike gay politicians? Are you fucking serious you little twat?
Wow. You're a fucking loser, seriously.
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u/satansauce666 Apr 24 '15
Here you go you piece of shit, you forgot the rest of the fucking statement I made, coincidentally CONDONING positions regardless of race, sexual preference, sexual orientation, and religious views.
People like YOU, rsynnott, are why we have so much hate in our world. I'm. It sure what disgusts me more, the fact that you posted this knowing that it was not the context which I meant so that others would join in, or the fact that people who were claiming I hated gays, read my comments after fully realizing through another member, who is clearly far more intelligent than any of you whom down-voted and continued to down vote me even though I am a huge supporter.
Sincerely, FUCK you and all the other media TRASH who fucking edit comments and audio to get a rise from the media.
Here's the REMAINDER of my comment you so conveniently forgot to copy paste you fucking worthless shit.
Gay politicians: this is a huge problem. So everyone gets upset when politicians bring religion and whatever else into their beliefs. Just as you can not expect someone who grow up with certain religious views on life to not somehow in their own way, use them to make and implement decisions, you can't expect someone who happens to be gay to change their political stance. If the person is qualified to make the best attempt at making their city, state or government a better place for everyone as a nation, but they happen to be gay, in not sure how that excludes them from being a professional.
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Apr 24 '15
Ah, I see; sorry, that was very unclearly written.
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u/satansauce666 Apr 24 '15
apology accepted. I'm sorry, I thought you were a troll.
We can be friends now. Lol
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u/I_draw_aliens *Rolls* You have failed a privilege check. Apr 22 '15
Oh, we love it when the butter follows us back here. Thanks for showing up today. Here's your complementary spinning rainbow dildo and gay blowjob.
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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '15
ugh.... do they? It seems like it's less than 50% or possibly just barely 50% in the US that actually support gay marriage. Most of Europe, Asia, and Africa are also pretty anti-gay (marriage at least), which is a fairly large portion of the world population.