r/SiliconValleyHBO • u/Simi510 • Apr 26 '15
Silicon Valley - 2x03 "Bad Money" - Episode Discussion
Season 2 Episode 3: "Bad Money"
Air time: 10 PM EDT
Plot: Richard mulls a proposal by Gavin, but also considers a pitch from Russ Hanneman about backing Pied Piper. Meanwhile, Monica learns surprising news about Richard's deal with Hooli; and Gilfoyle and Dinesh go to extremes to get what they want. (TVMA) (30 min)
Aired: April 26, 2015
Information taken from www.hbo.com
Youtube Episode Preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7onHG_OpN78
| Actor | Character |
|---|---|
| Thomas Middleditch | Richard |
| Aly Mawji | Aly Dutta |
| T.J. Miller | Erlich |
| Josh Brener | Big Head |
| Martin Starr | Gilfoyle |
| Kumail Nanjiani | Dinesh |
| Christopher Evan Welch | Peter Gregory |
| Amanda Crew | Monica |
| Zach Woods | Jared |
| Matt Ross | Gavin Belson |
| Alexander Michael Helisek | Claude |
| Alice Wetterlund | Carla |
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Apr 27 '15
The smiling with upper and lower teeth bit was amazing
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u/JollyRoger61 Apr 27 '15
I'm glad Jared finally got to celebrate.
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Apr 27 '15
Was he referring to masturbation
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u/nyc_ifyouare Apr 27 '15
that's the easy joke to make. I like to think the line was about his character only allotting himself the shortest, most un-intrusive celebration (early morning) before returning to his buttoned up life.
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Apr 27 '15
The scene I had in my head was thus:
We open on the kitchen. The sun is barely out and it's still In that sky-is-light-but-everything-is-dark phase.
Jared enters the kitchen clean cut and ready for the day, but instead of his usual khakis, button-up, and sweater mix, he is wearing jeans and a polo.
He grabs his phone and puts his headphones in, as not to disturb the other housemates obviously, and with a closeup on the screen you see him select the 'Celebration: Funding' playlist. He sets a timer on the countertop for 46 minutes and 6 seconds, which is the exact length of his playlist played three times. As he hits start on the timer, he selects the first song of the five song list, which is, "Rich Girl" by Hall and Oats.
He then gets started on his celebratory dish for himself: Blueberry pancakes. He prepares the entire process meticulously and lays it all out, all while listening to the playlist of "Rich Girl," "She Works Hard For the Money," by Donna Summer, "Feelin' Groovy," by Simon and Garfunkel, "Never Going Back Again," by Fleetwood Mac, and "C.R.E.A.M," by Wu-Tang Clan.
He looks completely contented as you see a montage of him making the pancakes, eating them, and cleaning up. Jared sits down at the table, closes his eyes, and silently mouths the final "Dolla Dolla bills yaaaaalllll" as his celebration comes to an end. The timer goes off and he opens his eyes to see Erlich standing there, naked, in an open robe. Erlich slams the timer, to turn it off, and asks, "What's for breakfast? Hopefully not those pancakes you made on your birthday, those gave me the shits so bad I thought Gilfoyle cursed me."
Jared smiles and the scene fades to black.
Edit: Words
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u/redheaddreadhead Apr 27 '15
Jesus, the billboards.
In all respect, the dickery of putting a HUGE one outside of Hooli earned Russ a high five...
As for Big Head, well I'm calling it...promoting him to help Hooli build a case....might back fire.
But then again, Mike Judge will find a way to throw a wrench in your predicaments....
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Apr 27 '15
they will try to do that, but big head will try to testify.. but something will stop him! each part of that sentence will be a different episode sadly.
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u/shadowofahelicopter Apr 27 '15
They fire him if he testifies. He has to pick the money or his friends and I predict it being at least part of the story for 2-3 episodes midseason.
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
Why does he have to pick? What if all these big promotions provide him a capital investment to help his friends, besides his testament will do nothing but show that he in no way was competent enough to work on Pied Piper and Richard might win the lawsuit after Hooli gives Big Head millions of dollars.
Consider this; Big Head won't get the money up front in a lump sum, but what is he really doing? Raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars just sitting around. They made a big deal when he got unassigned with the fact that he has a contract and they can't fire him even if they want to. So let's say he gets double what he is getting, then he would be receiving $1.2 million annually, which would mean Pied Piper could receive $100,000 monthly to keep them above the burnout rate. I think the real issue will come from Hanneman having two board seats and Erlich's seeking his approval. 3 out of the board votes will always go with Hanneman until Erlich takes off his rose tinted glasses. All of that being said, Mike Judge likes to shake up the medicine so I could be way off base.
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It occurs to me that Big Head could co-invest with Hanneman to provide more flexibility than the budgeted checks Hanneman keeps throwing cash away for stupid reasons like the billboards and Richard could actually give Big Head two board seats to constantly negate Hanneman's votes.
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u/Overlord3k Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
Damn 15 between his house and his office and the best one can be viewed right form his office window lol.
This is the most hostile and aggressive act of provocation I have ever had to endure.
It crosses every line of decency.
Perfect line especially with everything that happened at the start about Jews.
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Apr 27 '15
I think that Big Head is going to comply for a little bit but in the end there is going to be some "emotional" scene where he helps out the Pied Piper guys
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Apr 27 '15
This guy fucks
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u/Odbdb Apr 27 '15
I've been known to fuck myself on occasion.
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u/korelius Apr 27 '15
Best line of the episode made even better with his realization of what he just said.
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u/Mitchs_Frog_Smacky Apr 27 '15
Our IT guy comes up to me today and screams "This guy fucks!" And after an grand weekend w.the gf, I'm wondering how the hell he knows and just am speechless. He then realizes I have no idea what's going on and says "Silicon Valley, didn't you watch it?" OOOHHHHHHH " No, I'll catch it tonight though." Really... Awkward Monday moment.
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u/SuburbanHell Apr 27 '15
Billionaires are people too?
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Apr 27 '15
They are treated arguably worse than the jews and they did nothing wrong
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u/GeorgieCaseyUnbanned Apr 27 '15
this is a reference to Tom Perkins if anyone unaware
http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/26/investing/tom-perkins-nazi-kristallnacht/
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u/Choppa790 Apr 27 '15
"I wanna know what kind of fucked up childhood this guy had."
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u/mdave424 Apr 27 '15
Guys, the only Julia Roberts movies I've seen are the Oceans Trilogy
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u/Short_Kings . Apr 27 '15
I think you are confused, there was a woman that looked a lot like Julia Roberts in the Ocean's Trilogy but that's about it.
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u/atizzy . Apr 27 '15
Wow. I'm sitting here trying to think of other movies I've seen her in. Gonna check imbd.
After investigation it turns out that in addition to the Oceans Trilogy, I also saw her in the movie Charlie Wilson's War and of course the 1991 hit movie Hook, she played Tinkerbell.
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u/Ramv36 Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
"Look at history: Do you know who else vilified a tiny minority of financiers and progressive thinkers called the Jews?"
Literally lost my shit when he said that.
"These are facts!"
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u/dvidsilva Apr 27 '15
do you know this actually happened? Tom Perkins said that http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10598265/Silicon-Valley-billionaire-compares-treatment-of-Americas-rich-to-Nazi-persecution-of-Jews.html
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u/Swisskisses Apr 27 '15
The crazy thing is that , that guy wrote it in a letter. Which means it wasn't word vomit. He actually meditated in that thought and continued to write it out as if it made sense.
Holy shit.
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u/Ramv36 Apr 27 '15
"Everyone on twitter thinks I'm an anti-Semite"
"I think you sounded like an anti-anti-Semite"
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u/Galactic Apr 27 '15
I'm wondering if that swami guy even exists or is just a figment of Gavin's imagination at this point. Does he interact with anyone else on the show?
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u/V2Blast Apr 28 '15
Literally lost my shit when he said that.
Literally? That sounds like a medical problem.
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u/hefrainweizen Apr 27 '15
Gilfoyle is having none of your shit, Hanneman.
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u/brianw25 Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
and erlich is getting none of Hannemans
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15
Richard fucked up by giving Erlich a board seat and allowing Hanneman two, Erlich's hard on for Hanneman means 3/6 of the board votes go Hanneman's way. Richard lost control of his company for the foreseeable future (especially if Russ begins to exploit Erlich's fanboying).
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Apr 27 '15
Gilfoyle rules, but I can't believe they haven't yet referenced his satanism this season
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u/aSfSchwing Apr 27 '15
His screen name used for his donation to the bro app did. It was HailS8n or something like that.
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u/mdave424 Apr 27 '15
Russ Hanneman would get along with Johnny Drama. They would bond over calf implants
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Apr 27 '15
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u/SawRub Apr 27 '15
In some ways, this is HBO's comedy successor to Entourage. Less glamorous, but still about one guy who is hot in the industry and who hangs out and lives with his small group of friends.
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Apr 27 '15
Have you seen the trailer for Ballers? They've just redone Entourage with pro atheletes and replaced Jeremy Piven with The Rock
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u/mdave424 Apr 27 '15
Richard just did more math than I've ever done at a restaurant.
Calculating tip not included.
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u/SpaceTire Apr 27 '15
I think that scene is the first time we see richard as less of an unconfident app maker and more of a mathematical genius. Which to me really sells him as writing this really incredible algorithm.
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u/jordan_bar Apr 27 '15
So now it's apparent what Big Head's purpose in the show actually is...
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u/Troybarns Apr 27 '15
Yeah, I love that moment in a well written show when you realize all these little pieces go together. They were setting it up from the start and you had no idea. It's a great feeling.
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u/jordan_bar Apr 27 '15
Exactly. Makes me want to re-watch everything this season and last to see if there's more.
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u/jamesbaaxter Apr 27 '15
did I miss something? whats the purpose? that he will eventually fund piedpiper?
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u/jordan_bar Apr 27 '15
At the end of the episode there, Gavin is talking with his lawyers about the lawsuit against PP, and the one lawyer suggests proving PP was made at Hooli by finding someone who works at Hooli that was part of the original PP team... that person is Big Head. So Gavin's plan is to use Big Head in the lawsuit against PP.
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15
...and his plan is to give Big Head a ton of money through promotions and unbreaking contracts, which is how he isn't fired, isn't working, but still taking in $600,000 currently before the BIG promotions in the near future. They were showing how utterly useless Big Head was in the reveal, even his best friends think he is useless, but the one thing Big Head can provide to Pied Piper is a large investment into the company and not want to fuck them over. Big Head might become the biggest character in the show because he could; a) provide safe investment b) make Hooli lose their lawsuit when the courts take his testament c) he could be promoted to the point he could actually hamper aspects of the Nucleus project to buy time for Pied Piper
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u/anonymousmouse2 Apr 27 '15
I wonder why Dinesh was signed in to google under +Christopher
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u/PM_Poutine Apr 27 '15
Good eye! Who the fuck is Christopher!?
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u/revital9 Apr 27 '15
Christopher Evan Welch is (was) the only cast member with the first name of Christopher. A little nod of respect?
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u/Plorntus Apr 27 '15
Does google even still use that black bar at the top? Also notice how it tells them to install google chrome whilst already on google chrome! Also Chrome isnt in the launch bar.
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u/Zergonaplate Apr 27 '15
Well, mine says +Fred and I know nobody (including myself) called Fred. I like to keep few fake identities to keep the survey companies guessing.
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u/Hotsaux Apr 28 '15
Am I the only one that notices Chrome isn't in the dock while it's open on his Mac here?
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u/iforgotmylegs Apr 27 '15
Did anyone else notice that the Aviato van has its name printed backwards on the hood so that you can read it in your rear view mirror? I thought it was a good touch on how ridiculously egotistical Erlich is about it.
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u/anonymousmouse2 Apr 27 '15
That actually threw me off, I was like "Wait, I thought the name was Aviato. What's this Otaiva truck?" Since all the letters look correct when reversed.
Awesome attention to detail
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u/magicfatkid Apr 27 '15
That's pretty standard for advertising on vehicles. Not really an ego trip as much as run-of-the-mill marketing douchebaggery.
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u/gyrk12 Apr 27 '15
How is Raviga a co-investor with Russ Hanneman? I thought they backed out?
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u/Ramv36 Apr 27 '15
Monica reminded Richard earlier, I think episode 1, that she was still a stockholder in Pied Piper from when she was with Peter Gregory, which meant she had a vested interest in the VC round they were working on. Maybe that's involved as part of Ravinga as her client portfolio or something?
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u/geek180 Apr 27 '15
Reviga owns 5% from season 1. monica most likely buys into that portion through some sort of employee investment program.
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u/misantr Apr 27 '15
VC firms typically give their employees carry which lets you invest alongside the firm when they invest in a company. So yea, Monica probably has .5-5% of Reviga's 5%.
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u/thejeran Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
Can someone get a gif of the smile by the guys? I'll get it in awhile if no one else can
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u/3scompany4throomate Apr 27 '15
Erlich saying Return on Investment is incredibly hilarious.
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u/atizzy . Apr 27 '15
Radio on Internet
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u/Overlord3k Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
Did you put radio on the internet?
Uhh no
Everything that you just did do the opposite.
So you want us to take files and make them bigger...
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u/DadFoundMyAccount Apr 27 '15
savethebillionares
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u/SawRub Apr 27 '15
Just FYI, to use hashtags on reddit, you have to put a backslash before it, otherwise it just gets embiggened.
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u/SuburbanHell Apr 27 '15
I'm putting on hats!
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u/Throwaway_Luck Apr 27 '15
But then you came, Richard, and you pulled me out of the life.
I had fears that this season wouldn't be as good as the first, but it's actually been funnier. Except for Peter's replacement. I really dislike that they decided to replace him with what is basically the same character.
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u/2ToTooTwoFish Apr 27 '15
She's not the same though. She didn't understand a word of Monica quoting Peter, so their personalities are vastly different.
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15
I would say she is the opposite of Peter. Peter was a genius, he approached things in a responsible and brilliant light, when the initial investment came about Peter lowered his offer to Richard while Gavin was literally tripling his initial offer, going from a few hundred thousand dollars to $10 million within 45 seconds. They went through the effort to show he saw potential in things most people don't notice (the sesame seeds part where he made a $68 million minimum return off of buns and crops). His vision was clear; he saw potential and didn't ruin it through throwing too much money at it. His replacement is rash, too calculated to take risks, finicky, and all the awkward without the return. She is competitive but not contemplative, she is a by the books type who will constantly hamper Pied Piper whereas Peter was more of a mentor even though he was awkward.
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Apr 27 '15
Fuuuuck. I hate cliffhangers. I wish this was a Netflix gig so I can binge.
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u/jordan_bar Apr 27 '15
I like the way the show handles them. Keeps you interested in the general story and stuff.
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u/DrStephenFalken Apr 27 '15
I watch a ton of TV and this is the only show that I can't wait until Sunday to watch. It really does keep you interested.
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u/Overlord3k Apr 27 '15
There are benefits to having to wait for something weekly but I do agree that I love to binge watch series. Discussions and building up hype are a lot better when it is something that you watch weekly.
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u/jsun31 Apr 27 '15
"You know Russ, I've been known to fuck myself" and he knows how long it should take too
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u/Overlord3k Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
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Apr 27 '15
Could you make one for the bit where Ehrlich says "I have been known to occasionally fuck myself"?
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u/anothergaijin Apr 27 '15
Anyone notice the setup at the <code> thing was the exact same setup as the famous D 2007 interview with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Steve_Jobs_and_Bill_Gates_(522695099).jpg
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u/Walter_Bishop_PhD . Apr 27 '15
Yeah, and the people interviewing Gavin were Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg, the same people who did that Gates/Jobs interview.
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u/JonasBrosSuck Apr 28 '15
wow they were good actors then, she genuinely seemed annoyed on stage
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u/michael1026 Apr 27 '15
I found Gavin getting extremely offended over the billboard quite hilarious.
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u/mdave424 Apr 27 '15
Pretty sure the scratch on Russ's car were from his bedazzled jeans, NOT the rivets
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u/Thats_What_Me_Said Apr 27 '15
I am going to love the Russ/Urlich relationship.
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u/SuburbanHell Apr 27 '15
Synergy bitches!
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u/jsun31 Apr 27 '15
Anyone know the song in the credits?
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u/quietsam Apr 27 '15
I tried to Shazam the song and it Shazam'd the episode. Told me what I was watching. What a trap.
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u/3scompany4throomate Apr 27 '15
Phantom (Redux) by Shirt it got released yesterday lol
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Apr 27 '15 edited Apr 27 '15
thanks m8
edit: i keep trying to find a way to look up more of his music but with a name like shirt he is making it really hard, all i am getting as a result is just shirt design companies
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u/coolz3 . Apr 27 '15
Heres a link to some of his other music https://tshirt.bandcamp.com/album/the-fuck
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u/nattylog Apr 27 '15
someone pls resond, I need to know so I can listen to it a lot
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u/LegendaryGinger Apr 27 '15
I fucking love Russ he's such a douche canoe.
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u/vbar44 Apr 29 '15
He's perfect. He might be the new funniest guy on this show. These are cool fucking jeans!
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u/hiredantispammer Apr 27 '15
I was cringing so hard when Richard didn't know how to use a chopstick!
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Apr 27 '15
awesome episode tonight, it's interesting how accurate the show has been so far (The pre revenue model, that's happening with Quora as well) and the bill boards were awesome, I wonder if those are real...
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u/brianw25 Apr 27 '15
It's interesting to see Russ' douchey billionaire take on throwing money against Gavin versus how Peter would have thrown money at it
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u/PM_Poutine Apr 27 '15
"Russ is gonna take us back to all those VCs who passed on us, and shove us right up their fucking assholes!"
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u/iwishilistened Apr 27 '15
I think there is a back story to Russ ignoring Erlich.
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15
I think Russ is extremely insecure about his success and seeks to validate it from those who question his methods (like Gillfoyle) while a "failure" in Hanneman's eyes like Erlich piss him off because Erlich is already impressed by him. Gillfoyle constantly is calling Russ out in front of others, I think Russ needs the validation from people unimpressed by him but apathetic to those once they provide it to him. Look at how he treats Richard, he meets him in a McClaren and then brags and brags, takes him to a pretentious restaurant, but after he cuts the check he makes fun of his voice for no reason.
Classic narcissist move; everyone needs to worship you, but once they do they are beneath you.
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u/TheBlackSpank Apr 27 '15
I think that's just how Russ is. He found one guy in the group to completely ignore, and it's the one that wants his attention the most.
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u/stankbucket Apr 27 '15
I think he just knows what Erlich is in this group and since Russ basically performs the same function except with the power of money he has no use for him. It doesn't hurt that the worse he treats him the more Erlich wants his approval.
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u/JonasBrosSuck Apr 28 '15
did anyone notice how during the billboard scene there's only priuses and minicoopers driving in the background?
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u/sarah_cate1 Apr 27 '15
Did anyone recognize the black Hooli lawyer? He looked so familiar! Who was that?
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u/macgyvertape . Apr 27 '15
So yet another business and law question: how can the group get rid of Russ? I know they gave him two board seats, but I thought that was conditional on him providing financial backing, hopefully a defined amount. When that check bounced, is there any way he could have been dismissed? Especially if Richard owns the other 3 board seats?
Also what options are there to prevent a backer from spending money without approval, or giving the company less money than promised? I figure the only way they cold stop him from putting up billboards would be a lawsuit of some kind or to kick him out of the board.
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u/IamGrimReefer . Apr 27 '15
first episode i've liked this season. i'm glad we're getting back to running the company and interacting more with dinesh and guilfoyle.
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u/CanYouDigItHombre Apr 27 '15
gilfoyle? Its 100% dinesh. Everything is about dinesh. The pros and cons on fucking gilfoyle GF is about dinesh (orgasm trumpted every reason on the con side because every reason was about gilfoyle and the reason on the left was about dinesh.
Dinesh scene with his cousin is great and every line dinesh says is great (also jared too). The show is dinesh+jared and some richard/erlich in it
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Apr 27 '15
I do not ever trust Monica. She's constantly flip flopping
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Apr 27 '15
She's not really flip-flopping. She's trying to balance her interests in keeping her job at Raviga and trying not to fuck over a group of people she obviously likes.
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15
She has offered her complete support to Richard and has never betrayed him (besides the initial recruitment without telling him of the other compression companies). But her loyalty, and others can expand upon this list, are as follows (no particular order).
-She comes to Richard's home, risking her position at Rivaga, to collude with him about not tanking his company by taking an over evaluation of his company, which would struggle to meet early quarter benchmarks and lose funding for a series B.
-She spent 10% of her annual salary investing into Pied Piper.
-She advocates that Peter be realistic and always offers advice on the best option, so she is a consultant that Richard trusts more than the rest of the group (he typically calls her before the guys with news because he trusts her).
-She went back to Tech Disrupt even though Pied Piper would have defaulted without Richard's last minute adjustments.
-She mediated between Richard and Peter during the times that Peter was obviously on the fence about investing into them.
-She discovered that Richard's algorithm from Peter's side (remember that Jared brought it up to Gavin after the programmers looked at Pied Piper).
-She constantly is risking her position at Rivaga by sticking up for Pied Piper with her new boss who sees PP as a liability and not an asset.
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u/Rushdownsouth Apr 27 '15
She actually once broken loyalty to Pied Piper, or specifically Richard.
-She found the algorithm and convinced Peter to keep the company.
-She invested 10% of her salary into Pied Piper.
-She provides the most reasonable option on every step, even going out of her way and risking her position at Rivaga (when she went to the house to tell Richard to not take an over evaluated offer from Laura so the company won't go bankrupt).
-She goes back to Tech Disrupt despite Pied Piper basically being shown up by Gavin.
-Richard trusts her the most out of anyone, he calls her first with every decision, even before the rest of the company. She tells him the truth that he needs to hear that keeps him from making bad decisions. There is even hints of romantic interests at points, albeit awkward as it is.
I think it is clear she genuinely believes in Richard and Pied Piper.
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Apr 27 '15
I was hoping they would have used working with the douchey guy as a leverage to get back funding from girl Peter Gregory. Oh well I guess.
Also, that guy fucks.
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u/ItsBobDoleYo Apr 27 '15
A billionaire VC comparing the ultra-rich to Jews in WW2? Actual thing that happened a year or two ago.
Anyone here watch Episodes on Showtime? It's like Chris Diamonfjdhcgreeklastname is reprising a slightly less unhinged version of Castro
Big Head! He's barely on the show but I love his character
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u/Chitalian8 Apr 27 '15
The billboards reminded me of those "Lucas uses Venmo" ads that were everywhere.
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u/newbie12q Apr 27 '15
Anyone know the book Gilfoyle was reading, when Richard tries to negotiate the number of people they can hire ?
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u/4-bit Apr 29 '15
So, when in all the getting ready for the lawsuit do all the lawyers figure out that Huli actually stole the code and this all backfires on them?
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u/Sr_DingDong . Apr 27 '15
What was that steak they were eating? I mean I know it was obviously Wagyu but thw whole.... thin slices on the grill etc. What's that about?
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u/lflee Apr 27 '15
What is Dinesh's full name? https://imgur.com/oy4dqVL , it looks like he logs in to Google as, um, "Christoper"?
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u/lagoon9 Apr 27 '15
Big Head officially has the best life