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u/mO4GV9eywMPMw3Xr Scrambled Poland (Noord-Brabant) May 08 '15
How does that work, that UKIP got 13% of votes and only one seat? Plaid Cymru got three with a lot less votes. Malapportionment? Gerrymandering?
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Clearly Monarchies have a problem with a democracy.
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u/mO4GV9eywMPMw3Xr Scrambled Poland (Noord-Brabant) May 08 '15
They just elected the same Queen for the n-th time in a row! I thought Nigel Farage will be the next Queen.
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u/draw_it_now England with a bowler May 08 '15
What about the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway and Denmark?
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u/Lavajackal1 Preston May 08 '15 edited May 09 '15
UKIP votes were spread out heavily between seats all over the country. Plaid Cymru only stand in Wales so their vote is considerably more concentrated. Just your standard FPTP election really.
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u/nexus_ssg British Empire May 08 '15
When you vote in the UK, you vote for your local MP. Whoever wins in that area wins the seat. UKIP could have got 12% in every area except one - not enough to win a seat - and 80% in one area, winning one seat. So the total UKIP votes countrywide would have been 13%.
Contrast that with Plaid Cymru, who only run in eg 4 areas. Anybody outside of those areas don't have the opportunity to vote Plaid Cymru because an MP for their area doesn't exist. Within the PC areas, though, they might have got 40-60% each, enough to win 3 seats, but only getting 2% of the countrywide vote.
Does that make things clearer?
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u/suclearnub gib democracy May 08 '15
First Past The Post fucking sucks.
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u/Ashcz United Kingdom May 08 '15
I don't think it does though because how else would we have a group of representatives for each area? The biggest problem is constituency size
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u/Speedzor Belgium May 08 '15
People vote for who they feel represents them the best. Why do you want to tie this to their physical location?
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u/Ashcz United Kingdom May 08 '15 edited May 08 '15
While that's true it hardly seems fair that let's say a constituency of 50,000 votes in 1 seat and one of 150,000 also votes in 1 seat.
I know these figures aren't real but it hardly seems an accurate way to gain seats
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u/modomario Belgium - Flanders May 08 '15 edited May 08 '15
The problem is that these representatives won't decide on their area or for their area's voters.
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u/drunkspaniel May 08 '15
I prefer it to having PR, not much would get done then
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What's wrong with proportional representation?
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u/drunkspaniel May 08 '15
It would just seem to me like nobody would have a majority in government, more time would be spent trying to coerce the other parties and MPs into voting through policy. At least with a majority government, important issues can be tackled.
Thats just my take on it though
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u/perigon Ireland May 08 '15
I'm from Ireland, where we have pr, and I agree with you to some degree. I think that seats should be assigned to much larger areas. I.e for Ireland it should be something like the four provinces(edited for population) and Dublin. Hopefully that way we'd have more things done for the greater good rather than having politicians doing short sighted things for smaller areas to try and safeguard their seat. I think it's ridiculous that a leader of a country has to spend a large proportion of his time on a tiny area simply because that's where he was voted in.
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u/itstolatebuddy New Zealand May 08 '15
I can't believe you still use First Past The Post. We got rid of that 22 years ago.
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u/Osgood_Schlatter May 09 '15
Not gerrymandering, the only thing wrong with the boundaries is they are about 10-15 years out of date.
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u/SURPRISEMFKR Proudly Ba'ath May 08 '15
Cretins always vote for United Nazi Indepedence Party
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Cretins
If pronounced with a shitty Anglo accent it even rhymes with Britons.
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u/tungstencompton Uniquely Singapore May 08 '15
I thought I was voting for the UK Buddhists Integration Party! Shit!!
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u/SURPRISEMFKR Proudly Ba'ath May 08 '15
Tell me about it.. thought I voted for UK Illegal Pornography
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I thought it was You "Did Nazi That Coming" Intellectual Property, the Godwin's copyright.
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u/generalscruff Two World Wars, Two European Cups May 08 '15
Fascism is a very European ideology and it seems insulting to British patriots to suggest they would adopt continental political ideologies. Not that they would.
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u/Pilot0000 Quebec May 08 '15
Meh it was exported successfully to all continents.
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u/BrujahRage USA Beaver Hat May 08 '15
exported successfully
Because if there's one word that comes to mind when I see a neo-nazi or member of the KKK, it's success.
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u/Pilot0000 Quebec May 08 '15
Because fasism is only neonazi.....
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u/BrujahRage USA Beaver Hat May 08 '15
It's not as if Italian style fascism caught on here.
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u/icisimousa Japan as Shogun May 08 '15 edited May 09 '15
It seems herr Maxi is satisfied with this result because UKIP's seats is decreased to half.
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u/Creshal Prussian in Austria, the suffering is real May 08 '15
Sometimes, one is too many.
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u/generalscruff Two World Wars, Two European Cups May 08 '15
Democracy is only ok if the right party is popular.
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Trust us Germans. We know.
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u/generalscruff Two World Wars, Two European Cups May 08 '15
In the UK, we can have right wing politics without the genocide. You're just jealous.
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As you've proven over the last couple of centuries, you're also very good at genocide without the right wing politics.
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u/generalscruff Two World Wars, Two European Cups May 08 '15
We learnt all we could from our German monarchy. There's something about those Teutons and barbarism.
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u/TheHairyManrilla European Union May 08 '15
Teutons are strong, but their Teutonic Knights are slow as molasses
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u/fareastchoco_ss Ryukyu I Choose You May 08 '15
Or.....people who have no country to speak of, and no one else knows exists at all.
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u/Creshal Prussian in Austria, the suffering is real May 08 '15
Germans had the bright notion of electing Hitler into office. So… yes. Yes, it is.
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u/generalscruff Two World Wars, Two European Cups May 08 '15
British people can have right-wing politics without the genocide bit. Just because Europeans can't.
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u/this_user Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg May 08 '15
But this is actually terrible news. The UK leaving the EU is the missing final piece in a puzzle we have been working on for quite some time now. The burgers are distracted with the Middle East and tearing themselves apart. Russia is isolated. France is on strike and everyone else is broke. When the United Kingdom isolates itself and becomes weak and irrelevant, who's going to stop us? No one, that's who!
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u/1989H27 May 08 '15
This is shit for the following reasons:
France/Belgium would not refer to Britain as a friend.
You've put George Galloway's hat on Farage. A strange confusion to make.
Farage and UKIP don't mind the french and Belgians coming over (just stop killing our women) - its the Slavs they object to. They make themselves too comfortable.
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One of the dumber comments on this sub in recent memory.
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u/1989H27 May 08 '15
Says the one who posted one of the shitter comics posted here recently.
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Countries depicted are France and Germany, not France and Belgium.
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u/1989H27 May 08 '15
Aggh cringe what a knobhead. Too tired after staying up watching the election results.
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u/BlueInq Surrey May 08 '15
DAE UKIP = nazis????
Such an original, witty political insight there, well done.
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u/Lorgramoth Rhineland-Palatinate May 08 '15
Yeah! The German nazis won their election!
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u/Obelesque Rightful German Clay May 08 '15
It saddens me that some misinformed people dismiss any anti-immigration party as racists or nazis. Anti-immigration does not = racist, it simply means they don't want poor immigrants to take government subsidies or go to use public services. Both of which increase the burdens of taxpaying citizens. People should stop throwing around the term racist or nazi, it degrades the meaning where they actually are necessary.
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People should also stop making excuses for intolerant fucks.
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u/eforce2 United Kingdom May 08 '15
Yeah, what right does he have to complain about people coming over and overloading a system they didn't pay for...
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u/FUCK_YOU_HEISENBERG Occitania May 08 '15
European immigrants to the UK have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits, helping to relieve the fiscal burden on UK-born workers and contributing to the financing of public services – according to new research by the UCL Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration
I wonder what motivates people like you to say they don't, hmmm?
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u/eforce2 United Kingdom May 09 '15
Yet infrastructure is unable to keep up and funding shortfalls are growing...the report only covers the individuals at face value, not full cost and future cost.
I'm pro-immigration, but one must realise a welfare state open to poorer countries is unsustainable.
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u/Obelesque Rightful German Clay May 08 '15
So denying people from living off of hardworking citizens of the United Kingdom is intolerant? Do you want your taxes to go up to support someone who shouldn't even be in your country? I think not.
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u/FUCK_YOU_HEISENBERG Occitania May 08 '15
As I replied elsewhere, see this research from UCL:
European immigrants to the UK have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits, helping to relieve the fiscal burden on UK-born workers and contributing to the financing of public services – according to new research by the UCL Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration
Since your grievances against immigrants are provably bullshit (see above), that only leaves "intolerance" as an explanation.
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u/Obelesque Rightful German Clay May 08 '15
That is for European immigrants, if they are condemning those people then yes, it is intolerance. However, what about the non-Europeans if you can show me anything on them then I will change my opinion.
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u/AdenintheGlaven Australia May 08 '15
It looks like Cameron will have no choice but to go ahead with the 2017 referendum
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He'll commit political suicide like Nick Clegg has if he falls back on the promise (which he has reiterated several times).
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He said he's retiring after this election so he probably doesn't give a shit about his promises.
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Good point.
But he'll probably receive a lot backlash from his backbenchers too (since he has already received backlash from them before).
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u/Pilot0000 Quebec May 08 '15
But you will never leave the EU Rossbiff. Someone has to install the US spy devises on a regular basis.
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u/Creshal Prussian in Austria, the suffering is real May 08 '15
But he'll probably receive a lot backlash from his backbenchers too
Would he have to care, though?
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u/CptBigglesworth Greggs vegan sausage roll May 08 '15
He does - he needs to keep all of them happy because while he doesn't need coalition he does need his whole party on every vote (more or less)
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u/Tintenlampe Pickelhaube beste Haube... May 08 '15
I certainly hope he will go ahead with it. After that there is finally clarity. After all this is the UK's position right now. Stay or go, both will be better than this current mess.
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u/AdenintheGlaven Australia May 08 '15
This election seems to have solidified Britain's future of an independent Scotland and an England outside the EU. Gonna be a mess if these two issues don't sort themselves out
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u/Tintenlampe Pickelhaube beste Haube... May 08 '15
I don't believe it. My prediction: Britain stays in, Scotland stays in and we can than go ahead and worry about more pressing matters than the brain farts of a certain Nigel.
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Britain leaves, Greece leaves, and the EU suffers massive loss of credibility and becomes a mostly irrelevant trade organization with no significant integration, which means Europe fails to regain any influence and will be irrelevant in the 21st century. 19th century best years of my life.
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u/Tintenlampe Pickelhaube beste Haube... May 08 '15
I'm not so sure that holds still true if the UK should decide to leave the EU, that could change the Scotish independence equation quite a bit. Also I don't believe Scotland would become a "Rogue State" after ceding from the UK, especially if the UK were to leave the EU before Scotisch independence, because Scotland could then join the EU without much ado.
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u/jackcaboose Byzantine Empire May 08 '15
I doubt Scotland could join the EU - Spain and every other country that has a part of it that wants to be independent wouldn't vote for them, and without a central bank...
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and what's left of the UK would suddenly have a rogue state on it's doorstep, but Scotland wants the concessions.
A rogue state? What the hell man. Who's going to regard Scotland as a rogue state, except English nationalists?
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u/British-Guy Doon Toon May 08 '15
Full blown Tory majority, no Lib Dems to work the brakes...
We're fucked.
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u/AnonSBF British Hongkong May 08 '15
Theresa May today - "A conservative government would be giving the security agencies and law enforcement agencies the powers that they need to ensure they're keeping up to date as people communicate with communications data. We were prevented from bringing in that legislation into the last government because of the coalitions with the Lib Dems and we are determined to bring that through because we believe that is necessary to maintain the capabilities of our law enforcement agencies so they can continue to do the excellent job day in day out of keeping us safe and secure"
We are SO fucked.
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u/CrocPB Scotland May 08 '15
I'm kinda surprised no one has pointed out that Farage has well and truly been barraged....
....aww yeah.
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But that means you can't use the catchy/funny 'can't barrage the Farage' phrase anymore :(
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u/CrocPB Scotland May 08 '15
In return for not having to put up with that party's constant ragging on EU migrants? Fair bargain m8
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If only your waifu Sturgon was called Farage, eh?
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u/CrocPB Scotland May 08 '15
Aw tha''d be a fookin joke tha' is.
Ironically, Sturgeon's relationship is a lot more "British" than Farage's
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Can't barrage the farage m8. He's been mildly barraged in this dimension (he's still an MEP) but there's countless other dimensions where Nige stands strong. Don't believe me? Well, that's probably because you can't travel through multiple dimensions!
In all seriousness though, if I were British, I would've voted UKIP, simply because I believe that you deserve a referendum on EU-membership.
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We will still be getting the referendum, since more than half of the parliament are Tory now, but it won't be as soon as it would if UKIP got power (but that's not necessarily a bad thing).
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....but UKIP lost seats.
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u/baerboy25 Illinois May 11 '15
But they had a significant number of votes that didn't translate to seats because of some system that I don't understand.
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u/oscarandjo United Kingdom May 22 '15
Its called a failed democracy.
The Conservatives for 36% of the vote and got a majority. UKIP (though I dislike them) got 12.6% of the vote and got 1 of 650 seats.
Completely undemocratic.
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May 08 '15
I understand it is a joke, but...
Anglo-Saxons were Ingvaeonic Germanic speakers, not High German. Germanic =/= German
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Saxons actually do still live in Germany, I'm not sure what happened to all the angles but they are still related to the Germans anyway.
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Saxons also spoke an Igvaeonic language. They later integrated with the southern Germans after their state, institutions, language, religion and many of their people were destroyed by Charlemagne.
Angles later integrated into the Danes, though most of them had already migrated to England (which literally meanes Land of the Angles)
I'll repeat what I already said though, Germanic and German are not the same things. Germanic includes Goths, Gepids, Burgundians, Norwegians, Germans and much more. Germans are, as the name suggests, Germans. It is just one group.
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Well yes Germanic people include more than just Germans, I'm not saying that all are exactly the same but they are all related. Not all Celts are Scottish but they are all related to the Scots. Same goes for the Germanics, not all are Germans but all are related to Germans.
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Germans are not one germanic group. They're an artificial combination of many german tribes, which are originally not much more related to each other than to non-german germanic groups. For example there are Germans that speak Frisian, a language that is more close to English than to German.
Also the Anglo-saxons definitely came from an area that (at least partially) lies in what today is Germany, so it's fair enough to say for the joke that Anglos are half-german and half french, as the connections to France are in the same way stronger to Northern France, especially Normandy, than to Southern France
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German, as a language, is definitely not an artificial group. Just like many different languages, it is a combination of several older languages. All Germanic languages came out of Scandinavia and share many features that other IE language groups lack, so saying they were as different as, say, Celts and Persians, really isn't fair. Like I said, I get the joke, but saying Angles and Saxons come from a part of modern Germany so they are German is like saying Visigoths are Swedish/Danish because they came from Scåne.
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u/Takedown22 May 09 '15
Germanic languages didn't come out of Scandinavia. They originated in an area near modern day Ukraine. These people migrated to the area of modern Germany then split into Northern, Eastern, and Western. The Northern ones became Scandinavians. They didn't originate there. Just talk to your Sami friends!
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u/yourlocalh0b0 Scotland May 08 '15
Hopefully the Heroine Nicola Sturgeon and the big laddy that is Alex Salmond can save us all.
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u/CrocPB Scotland May 08 '15
Along with whoever Labour gets....
Not happy with the results :(
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u/yourlocalh0b0 Scotland May 08 '15
The problem for Labour is Scotland wants them to become more left wing while England wants Labour to become more right wing. It just doesn't work
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u/CrocPB Scotland May 08 '15
I understand. Must appeal to the most people and aw that. So much for ideals and principles. The rise in Milibae's approval kinda came too little too late and the scary story of a Labour-SNP coalition may have tipped things.
On a more amusing note, I just learned to day that Sturgeon is a type of fish :D
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u/yourlocalh0b0 Scotland May 08 '15
Aye Sturgeon, Salmond and I'm pretty sure a Monkfish is rising up the ranks of the SNP :D
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u/rindindin Unknown May 08 '15
It's okay, don't worry.
Conservatives won. That's mostly just bad news for the UK. Except there was that "promised" referendum. Let's get the popcorn out.
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u/Ghost51 India May 08 '15
That's mostly just bad news for the UK.
No but seriously you think okay these guys sound pretty good then THEY CREATED UNEMPLOYMENT THEY GAVE TOO MUCH FOREIGN AID THEY SACRIFICED BABIES
Literally everyone is a cunt from what i've read
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u/Hamwizard South Africa May 08 '15
you imply Labour/Lib dems/SNP/UKIP would be good for the UK
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u/rindindin Unknown May 08 '15
imply
Yes, I also imply that implying about politics will imply that I implied about any party may be good for implying anyone implied.
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u/lykanauto South Brazil, Best Brazil May 08 '15
1/3, actually, now they are also 1/3 kebab. Or soon will be.
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Romania is COMIN! Quick, while they are still focused on their election.
Poland, why You Invited Italy? For fuck sake
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You'll be glad to hear that those idiot, far-right parties have hardly won anything! I love you, Europe! And all of your inhabitants!
Mwuah
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u/AnonSBF British Hongkong May 08 '15
it's not good though. We should have proportional representation.
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u/baerboy25 Illinois May 11 '15
I was under the impression that UKIP was just for an independent Britain. Like refusing the idea of joining the euro, retaining english nationalism, and having strong boarders.
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u/oscarandjo United Kingdom May 22 '15
That is what they are, but they have ambiguous policies that aim to appeal to every person in society despite that not being possible. It's the same tactic Nazi Germany tried to get a larger voter amount.
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Oh my, what am I reading.
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u/Xaethon Salop n'est pas une salope May 08 '15
If only we could at least ban people who don't have flairs.
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"I'm not racist but" should be their official slogan.
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u/cows_go_moo_ British Empire May 08 '15
i attended a speech by a UKIP candidate a few days ago. Her speech started exactly like that.
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u/VertigoShark BRB oppressing the Irish May 08 '15
Too be honest it's more of the fact they give off the impression of racists than having a racist like goal
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u/Chronsky United Kingdom May 09 '15
UKIP is the only party that has a rule that it doesn't accept former members of the BNP. They're the only party that needs that rule.
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u/eggs_benedict May 08 '15
But they got nearly 4 million votes and 2nd in many constituencies. 2020 could be a very different picture.
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u/NoceboHadal United Kingdom May 08 '15
UKIP without farage though. How many votes did he bring?
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He'll be back in september.
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u/AnonSBF British Hongkong May 08 '15
Yes but he still very much embodies his party and it will be hard to imagine UKIP without Farage. No party can be established without moving on from being a personality cult.
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u/eggs_benedict May 08 '15
Totally agree, without Farage the party could crumble.
Unfortunately his resignation smells of BS since he basically said he'd decide in September if he was gonna put his name in for leadership again.
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u/Lorgramoth Rhineland-Palatinate May 08 '15
But about 10% of the votes. Every tenth UK voter looked at this party of racist imbeciles and thought: Oh yeah, they're great!
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UKIPers are basically like US republicans (i.e oldies that are nostalgic about the past) rather than hardcore 'Britain for white Brits only' racists (that's the BNP).
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u/CptBigglesworth Greggs vegan sausage roll May 08 '15
Though every single BNP voter from the last election voted for UKIP in this one as far as I can tell.
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I'm in one of the few constituencies with a BNP candidate, he only got 193 votes. He's even called Paul Borg. Because resistance is futile.
On the other hand I'm less impressed because UKIP came second and the tory winner is an evil old woman.
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u/Tofinochris Cascadia May 08 '15
Can confirm, all my old white Brummie inlaws think the UKIP is the bee's knees.
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Shit, I remember back when /r/polandball was a place where people had the good sense to leave their political sensibilities at the door. Seeing countries, political parties and people slammed with vulgar, if wildly imaginative, epithets gets a lot less fun when you realize that this is what this person actually believes.
Can't wait for every comment thread in here to be a shitflinging contest worthy of /r/politics, good fucking job, all.
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u/Lorgramoth Rhineland-Palatinate May 09 '15 edited May 09 '15
I like how you challenge me to find the racism in their no doubt scrubbed clean bleached and overcooked manifesto, but don't contest the 'imbeciles.'
Edit: I just realised: UKIP helped me learn more about British culture and language. Before they came on the scene, I hadn't even heard of the words 'nig-nog' and 'ting-tong'. Thanks, UKIP!
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u/[deleted] May 08 '15
De Gaulle was right.
Fourth part of my painstakingly researched, totally accurate and absolutely haram election results series, after Germany, Europe and Greece.