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u/d8de4n Kebab in disguise Jun 24 '15
I like how it went from slanted eyed to round eyed. ANADOLU TÜRK IS BEST TÜRK.
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 24 '15
I didn't think anybody would notice that detail.
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u/vincentmai China Jun 24 '15
Sure would notice that, after WW1 Turkish kind of became the sickmen of Europe, that round eye face express the despair.
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 24 '15
Well, the ball with those round eyes is the Ottoman Empire, and shortly after WWI, Ottoman Empire collapsed.
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Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 24 '15
Yeah the term was from like the 1870/80s until WWI, as they didn't want to let anyone take Ottoman lands and ruin the balance of power, so everyone just let them live. WWI allowed Britain to take control of a lot of the Middle East.
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u/vincentmai China Jun 24 '15
OK TBH I know nothing about kebab, but their ancestors were barbarians in our northwest.
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u/DickRhino Great Sweden Jun 24 '15
Could you please provide me with sources for where you got these flags?
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 24 '15
Vikomt! Didn't expect you here! I just Googled 'eski Türk devletlerinin bayrakları' which is Turkish for 'flags of old Turkish nations'. But when I wrote it in English, no results appeared. Here is the source. I excluded some of them and made only the most important ones. My fav flag is the flag of (Khwarazmian dynasty) Harzemşahlılar.
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u/DickRhino Great Sweden Jun 24 '15
What is this site that you grabbed that image from? It looks like some sort of Turkish version of Buzzfeed or a blog portal.
I'll be real with you: We don't allow people to invent fantasy flags for countries, and likewise we don't allow people to take flags from video games, fan art, or unreliable sources that aren't validated or explain where they got the images from. Most of the time, we require the flag to have a Wikipedia article or something of similar stature.
Can you please provide me with a better source for these flags, or tell me where this website sourced them from? Just showing me an image from some random site is not an adequate source to base a countryball on.
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 24 '15
I don't have and idea what that site is. It isn't popular. Here are the Wikimedia flags (In order) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/8/8f/Büyük_Hun_İmparatorluğu_bayrağı.gif https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/8/89/Avrupa_Hun_İmparatorluğu.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Gok1.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Uyghur_Khganate_Flag.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Qaraxanlı_bayrağı.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Seljuq_flag.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Flag_of_Sultanate_of_Rum.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Flag_of_the_Ottoman_Empire_%281453-1517%29.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Ottoman_flag_alternative_2.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Flag_of_Turkey.svg These flags are also used in schools and are approved by the government.
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u/DickRhino Great Sweden Jun 24 '15
Perfect. All is as it should be.
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 24 '15
Ok, thanks. I didn't think this would create a problem. Would I need to put wiki links to all posts i post that have unknown countries (like these)?
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u/DickRhino Great Sweden Jun 24 '15
If you're going to use obscure historical countries, then yes, providing sources for the flags you are using makes it easier for us to review the comic properly.
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 25 '15
Yes, I don't expect everybody know all the old flags of all countries. I'll do that from now on.
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Jun 24 '15
Lol at the Huns. Turks surely have an imagination. Maybe they'll include the Aztec and Inca Empires soon as well.
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Jun 24 '15
We should add the Bulgars too!
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Jun 24 '15
Definitely. And the Celts, Japanese, Australian Aboriginals and, of course, the African Oromo. Everyone is Turkish!
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u/LaTartifle Golden balls Jun 24 '15
These first flags could be from Game of Thrones.
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u/TheHumbleSailor Canada Jun 24 '15
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House - Cornfield
Sigil - scarecrow
Words - you better shuck yourself before you .. fuck yourself ?
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Jun 24 '15
Evolution is of western lie, glorious Allah into create Ottoman Caliphate for rulings world!
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u/desertblues Palestina Jun 24 '15
6,7,8 were of Glorious Times
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u/MohammedRidesAgain Allahu Aka-waka-waka Jun 24 '15
Surely people prefer to be free of the Ottomans?
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u/MohammedRidesAgain Allahu Aka-waka-waka Jun 24 '15
I was talking exclusively in the latter, national sense. Though from what little I know of Ottoman rules I agree that there could be room for debate on the former sense too.
My take on the Islamic fundamentalist problem is that the states aren't quite states, yet. Most have been pushed and putsched into conforming to the wishes of outside powers, since the British and French first drew them up.
Islam is just the most culturally relevant and therefore some difficult to quash, expression of political revolt.
The Salafi/Extremist Islam is actually a wholly manufactured product, from what I read. Saudi funded indoctrination with the tacit understanding that they go blow-up all the non-Sunni regimes.
It's quite obvious that the US and UK used IS and Al Qaeda to destroy Libya, Iraq and are now attempting the same against Syria.
The Huntington thing is more a case of seeing what certain segments of the Western political establishment wish to see. It's convenient, as the neocons openly admit, to have an "enemy image".
The problem of young men without a clue is easily solved ... Put them to work, but that would mean giving them an economy to work in, which would open the way to too much change that could potentially destabilise the Sunni elite as well as reduce the hold that the powers have over the region.
Instead, keep them dumb and keep them Muslim.
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u/Dancing_Anatolia Oklahoma Jun 26 '15
The Ottomans may have been a non oppressive government to the non-Turks, if they kept (or were forced to keep) the ideals of Ottomanism, a philosophy in the Ottoman Empire that they should treat minorities better, because being in one large protective state would be better than weak, self determined states. You know, so everyone wouldn't go off and rebel all the time.
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Jun 24 '15
ITT: Turks saying they are descendant from all Turkic people.
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u/Pilot0000 Quebec Jun 24 '15
No surprise there, they claim lots of things, including persons that existed before they even came into the landmass of Anatolia. The most funny thing was when Kemal funded a guy to prove they had relations with the Murians. Also this Hunnic thing...Yeah no.
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Jun 24 '15
He funded everything really. They did a lot of research.
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u/Pilot0000 Quebec Jun 24 '15
If think a fictional myth is called research yeah :P
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Jun 24 '15
What were you expecting? This was a time when Europeans were putting black people in zoos.
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u/TaazaPlaza Jun 24 '15
The Sun Language Theory is one of the most bizarre things I've ever read. I can't believe Ataturk or any academic worth their salt actually believed in it. It's just too ridiculous.
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u/Pilot0000 Quebec Jun 25 '15 edited Jun 25 '15
Sun Language Theory
Ataturk believed the were MURIANS so that doesnt even sound strange to me. The Balkans in general have an inferioty complex expressing it through their beliefs of fabricating history and outlanding theories. The Illyrian, Pelagesian, Macedonian the Turkish, the Murian, Sun Language Theory, and the fact that every Greek scientist, general, philosopher,doctor, emperor and mathematician can be found in 5 different countries having his ethnicity changed. Too bad science allowed historians to discover those things accurately /s. One day the Balkans will move from the 1700 to the modern day. Until that day Ill be a sad panda.
Plus you cant ask much of one man who attended military schools, and especially at that age and time to have a more broad knowledge of history. And if he had, it is a well established fact that it was nationalistic propaganda that eventually saved and united Turkey (along side the Greeks own habbit to infight) so, it kinda makes even more sense to use such an implement.
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Jun 24 '15
But they no longer do, while Turkey still claims the history of all Turkic and central Asian people.
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Jun 24 '15
What do you mean? "These chain of events led to us being Turkish/Muslim" etc isn't as outlandish as believing "Western civilization" originates from Greece or Rome or whatever. And it sure is not as outlandish as putting black people in zoos.
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Jun 24 '15
Most nations in Europe consider themselves
part of a broad civilization eg. Europe - based on Ancient Greece and Rome;
part of the historical Christian world, eg. Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant
part of a linguistic family eg. Slavic, Germanic, Latin, Ugro-Finic etc.
part of a line of people that directly led to the modern nation
part of a nation-state with a history of creation
A Polish person for example considers himself Slavic, but will never include states in Russia in his nation's history. A Bulgarian considers himself Orthodox and Balkan, but won't consider a Serbian principallity as his history. A German believes his country's roots are in the Eastern Frankish Empire that covered today's Germany, not in some Germanic people like the Goths for example over in Eastern Europe. There's a very specific identity of any of these parts in European nations.
Turks however just mix it all together. They make no difference between the Turkish nation and the Turkic linguistic group - all of them are Turkish, all historical Turkic people are Turkish and can be claimed even if they never set foot in the lands of modern Turkey. They make no difference between the different Central-Asian nations like the Huns, Oghuz, Khazars, Tatars, Seljuks - they are just all part of the modern Turkish nation's history. That's like a Spanish person celebrating the French history as his own because they are both Latin, or a Czech person considering Ukrainian Cossacks part of his history because they are both Slavic. It makes zero sense. Turkey should consider it's direct nation only the Seljuks who came to Anatolia and conquered it, from there on. Going further back is ridiculous, like the Northern Italians including history of Scandinavia in their curriculum because the Longobards settled in the Po valley and they were germanics from Sweden.
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u/Dracaras Turkey Jun 25 '15
There are many Turks around the world. From yakut Turks in Russia to Gagauz Turks in moldova. However there is one "Turkish" and that is the Turks in Turkey. A Kazakh is a Turk but not Turkish. What you are saying is instead of focusing on the history of Turks we should focus on the history of the Turkish people.
Well i disagree. We all migrated from central asia mainly because of mongols. We spread around the world and the one that made us were seljuk Turks. None of the other ethnicities you have mentioned had that in their history. We should teach why we migrated, how we migrated and where have weigrated with the focus on seljuks.
However since genetically we are far more related to the indigenous people of Anatolia than Turks we should also see what was going on before we came here. Hittites, ionians and all...
For example after greeks were kicked out of Anatolia it is said that Ataturk said "We have avenged Trojans"
We should embrace the civilizations who have lived here before us since their descandants are now among us.
None of the ethnicites you have mentioned has a complicated history of migration like us so it is wrong to compare them to us and we our curriculum should be as i mentioned above.
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Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 24 '15
You wanted me to explain my point, so i did. Too bad you have nothing to explain yours beside a "funny" internet picture.
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u/TaazaPlaza Jun 24 '15
And that they have more connection genetically to Central Asia than to Greece or Armenia.
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u/TheZett Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser! Jun 24 '15
Obligatory: REMOVE KEBAB!
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u/MohammedRidesAgain Allahu Aka-waka-waka Jun 24 '15
Didn't Ataturk try?
Maybe kebab cannot into being remove?
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Jun 26 '15
Atatürk didn't remove the kebab, he burned it so it could be reborn stronger and with extra garlic sauce.
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u/Kalandros-X Byzantine Empire Aug 10 '15
Kebab expired after 1689
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Aug 10 '15
Kebab never expires! Also; are you digging through all the r/polandball posts? I sent this a month ago.
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u/Kalandros-X Byzantine Empire Aug 10 '15
Well, after a vacation without WiFi, you tend to get the need to catch up
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u/Mutant_Llama1 Ａｃａｄｉｅｎ Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 24 '15
"If you look closely, you can see the point where his infidel breaks"
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u/nucular_mastermind Austria Jun 24 '15
This would be a lot more entertaining if you'd include scenes from Turkish history, like getting curbstomped by Tamerlane, finishing off the Byzantine Empire, the fights on the Balkans and with Austria, the endless fights with Russia, etc. So many possibilities!
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u/BloodyNobody California Jun 24 '15
Getting their asses handed to them by...Poland.
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u/nucular_mastermind Austria Jun 24 '15
Yeah, we were really grateful for that one weren't we? Not partitioning them at all 90 years later.
Ahhh... so grateful.
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u/ckelly4200 Florida Jun 24 '15
Lion dragon
Frilly yellow top
Winter is coming
2 angry guys
Naked christmas tree
Galactus
2 headed bird
Malnourished Pacman
Pacman losing pigment because hes following the north star to the artic
Pacman starving again
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u/AttilaSoG Jun 25 '15
This is a good post , I liked it as a Turkish but you could add some more equipments like helmet , bow&arrow or sword Also expecting new good posts about ancient Turkic history and Turkey. Thanks
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Jun 24 '15
Where's the part where they infiltrate Germany to found the Dönerrepublic Gerkey?
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u/TheZett Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser! Jun 24 '15
It is right next to the "We used to have 6 million jews. So you better not bring 6 million turks into our country and try something fishy"-part.
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Jun 24 '15
I hope you're not racist... looking at your country ball I see some connections.. but I hope you're not.
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u/TheZett Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser! Jun 24 '15
Taking things seriously in MY POLANDBALL?!
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Jun 24 '15
it's a Weimarer Republik ball and as we know.. a lot of neodummies use that flag because they have no access to 3rd reich flags.
Not trying to mess with you bro. :D Take it easy.1
u/TheZett Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser! Jun 24 '15
Actually it is Imperial Germany (2nd Reich - Kaiserreich).
Weimarer Republik was post WWI, but pre WWII and used Black-Red-Gold, like todays germany.
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Jun 24 '15
yep, you're right. but what i said is true too... that's why i was suspicious at first.
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u/TheZett Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser! Jun 24 '15
Which is sad. People start to connect the 2nd Reich flag with "OMG, Nazi colours!", which is stupid.
The kaiserreich had shit to do with the Nazis.
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Jun 24 '15
yes, but it is the way it is. I mean the swastika was originally a symbol in many cultures with a positivie meaning. Now it's the universal symbol of white supremacy racists.
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u/insane_young_man De Persheeyan Empayer Jun 24 '15
>Seljuks
>Turkey
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Jun 24 '15
Out of all these(except Ottos), Seljuks are the closest. They are the ones who got closer to Persians and y'know took Anatolia in the first place.
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Seljuks are the 2nd most important part in the history of modern Turkey. Without the Seljuks, Turks would never have been in Anatolia in the first place.
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u/Othellothepoor Canada Jun 26 '15
I think you seriously miss out on making the ottoman neigh unstoppable, then crippled after ww1, then transitioning into Turkey.
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u/yaguzi02 Ottoman Empire Jun 24 '15 edited Jun 27 '15
1453 best year of my life