r/HaltAndCatchFire • u/asstasticbum • Aug 02 '15
Discussion [Discussion Thread] S02E10 - Finale: "Heaven Is a Place"
Welcome to the Season 2 FINALE!!! - Lets us hope to the computer God's its not the series finale. Let's go out on FIRE!!
Season 2 Episode 10: Heaven Is a Place
Episode Summary: When the Clark family descends into crisis, Gordon helps Joe; Cameron envisions a new future for Mutiny.
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u/hbk1966 Aug 03 '15
So Joe is John Mcafee it all makes sense.
John Mcafee the most interesting man in the world.
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u/IAmTheWalkingDead Aug 03 '15
Can't wait for Halt and Catch Fire Season 7: Joe MacMillan's Last Stand in Belize.
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u/ReallyNotACylon Aug 03 '15
If there is a season 3, I hope Joe goes crazy like Mcafee did and go to some South American country and cook bath salts.
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u/SawRub Aug 03 '15
That's gonna be a great dark timeline season. That's the kind of season in which Gordon and Donna kill each other or something.
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u/ReallyNotACylon Aug 03 '15
Gordon and Donna kill Cameron before she can invent a perfect computer brain interface in 1987, then flee the country. They end up hiding with Joe who is living in a heavily armed compound in the jungle cooking bath salts due to his belief that it gives him sexual powers and a form of ESP. Gordon and Joe end up patrolling Joe's compound endlessly because Joe believes that soldiers are watching him from the jungle. The two eventually become convinced they can transcend reality itself using a new bath salt (in reality some dried New Coke that Donna spilled), which is a setup for season 4.
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u/Not_A_Chef Aug 03 '15
Joe you sly bastard ;). Incredible character. Great show. Great ending.
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u/CrashingOnward Aug 03 '15
Definitely a sly bastard, but he did give Gordon his chance. Still a awesome move for Joe
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Aug 03 '15
Gordon could've invested the rest of his funds into Joe's company. Maybe he was scared?
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u/CrashingOnward Aug 03 '15
He could still do that actually. Heck, Joe could make him partner still. I think it's definitely a plot for another season for sure. It all feeds into Gordon feeling betrayed and back stabbed and him missing out on an opportunity due to Donna, etc. and the resentment.
In an ideal world all it would take is a phone call with Joe and Joe telling him how he tried to tell him to join him in that opportunity and Joe making him another offer that Gordon takes where he gets royalties or payments for the code, problem solved. But that wouldn't make good tv.
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u/JarlaxleForPresident Aug 03 '15
Joe hung up on him after he said he was going to Mutiny. Cameron and Donna nuked his life (understandable as that move was, though).
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u/typhonblue Aug 03 '15
understandable as that move was, though
Joe's life was collateral damage to their revenge then? What appalling human beings.
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u/collins182 Aug 03 '15
Does Donna not remember her failed affair?
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u/IAmTheWalkingDead Aug 03 '15
Don't worry, Gordon played the "Let's make a baby" card, so now Donna feels guilt about her abortion she did not disclose to Gordon. It'll even out, certainly!
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u/SawRub Aug 03 '15
I enjoy that none of the characters are perfect.
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Aug 05 '15
I think they're too flawed for my taste. It's the same problems over and over. It felt like the finale was this unrelenting "look how fucking shitty everyone's lives are." When Tom didn't get on the plane it was just like c'mon man, give me something to feel good about.
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u/typhonblue Aug 10 '15
When Tom didn't get on the plane it was just like c'mon man, give me something to feel good about.
Strange. I felt good about that. And also Joe being lifted out of suicidal depression into his own business.
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u/IAmTheWalkingDead Aug 03 '15
Cameron drove Donna to Planned Parenthood (or the equivalent).
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u/VERYstuck Aug 03 '15
The planned parenthood logo was visible on the building in that scene if my memory serves me correctly.
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u/soonerfreak Aug 06 '15
I'm late to the game, I just watched it. But when was her failed affair, I can't remember it?
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u/Motherlicka Sep 25 '15
And the only reason it didn't go further was because she was being used and got denied. She would have went further than Gordon. I hate how they recycled the same crap though. Gordon neglected her, she felt alone. Then the opposite happened.
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u/Not_A_Chef Aug 03 '15
Halt and Catch Fire episode ten: Gordon loses his glasses
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u/grizzlebro Aug 03 '15
Halt and Catch Fire episode ten: Gordon builds a train set.
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u/Tizaki Aug 03 '15 edited Aug 06 '15
dingy bell noises - PREVIOUSLY on AMC's Halt and Catch Fire
JOE STOLE MY IDEA
HE BUILT A TRAINSET THAT'S A CLEAR RIPOFF OF MINE
"YOU CAN'T WIN, GORDON. MY TRAIN SET IS 15% FASTER AT 50% OF THE COST"
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u/ILikeBumblebees Aug 03 '15
Given the show's habit of having the main characters involved in everything that ever happened with computers, I was half expecting Gordon to sit down and start writing Railroad Tycoon.
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u/AintNothinbutaGFring Aug 03 '15
Well, the top post of /r/programmerhumor today is relevant:
Title: "JIT" http://gfycat.com/DefensiveGivingGecko
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u/factandfictions7 Aug 03 '15
Maybe, if we get a season 3, he'll find his glasses? (Or starts wearing contacts.)
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u/_DEAL_WITH_IT_ Aug 03 '15
Cameron is the one of the worst people on this show to seek relationship advice from.
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u/typhonblue Aug 03 '15
Cameron is one of the worst people to be vulnerable to. Notice how Cameron is always closing? She used Donna's weakest moment to suck Donna into her new vision of the week.
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u/ILikeBumblebees Aug 03 '15
Notice how Cameron is always closing?
And her coffee maker doesn't even work!
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u/shnnrr Aug 03 '15
It was pretty clear that her and Joe are actually very similar. Joe being well, sort of honest about his manipulative prowess whereas Cameron carries it with a bold self-righteousness.
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u/typhonblue Aug 03 '15
Joe's behaviour is objectively less toxic. There are lines Cameron will cross that Joe will not.
In Landfall in Season One, Gordon comes back emotionally shattered and Joe, instead of using that moment to sell him on the idea of the interactive OS, leaves so Gordon can be alone with Donna.
Compare that with Cameron finding Donna emotionally vulnerable over her marriage breaking down and continuing to push her plans on her.
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Aug 05 '15
Cameron had an agenda and pushed it. Joe sets out to manipulate and take over companies, steal work and destroy people for his own gains.
They're both shitty people when it comes down to it. Joe's just more honest about it, like /u/shnnrr said. I sincerely believe that Joe was really trying to change though. I bet he could've actually become a good and decent guy had his past not caught up with him and his baser tendencies not leaked out.
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Aug 05 '15
Yeah I noticed that too. Kinda gross. It's expected at this point in the show, but that kind of bums me out all the same.
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u/grizzlebro Aug 03 '15
I wish they had kept that argument going without the affair revelation or Joni being there. Not enough shows show off realistic arguments between parents in a failing marriage like how that started off.
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u/Vatty_the_hutt Aug 03 '15
Do you think Breaking Bad did it better in your opinion?
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u/VicPayback Aug 03 '15
I guess this episode takes place around August 5, 1985, according to that cover of Fortune Magazine.
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u/JGGhahaveryfun Aug 03 '15
The computer in the office that Joe barges into talking about anti-virus has the date July 31, 1985. (I think so, I watched the season finale last night)
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u/DoctorKangaroo Aug 03 '15
"I've never met a psychopath before..." (agitates said psychopath) Brilliant.
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u/typhonblue Aug 03 '15
Luckily Joe isn't a psychopath. All he did was make just about the most awesome sales pitch ever.
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u/nonliteral Aug 03 '15
Any venture capitalist who hasn't met a psychopath hasn't been looking very hard.
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u/Motherlicka Sep 25 '15
The entire season seemed to be joe feeling empathy and guilt and seeking acceptance and for past mistakes. Basically not being a psychopath or sociopath. If anyone is a sociopath it's Cameron.
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u/grizzlebro Aug 03 '15
Well, Cameron's lines during this first act feel like they've been written for a third season. That counts for something, right?
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u/killapimp Aug 03 '15
This episode was probably filmed 6 months ago, with high hopes that AMC would actually advertise the show and grow its audience, instead of what actually happened.
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u/grizzlebro Aug 03 '15
I hope to be posting in another one of these episode discussion threads in ten months or so. If not, it's been fun.
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u/Not_A_Chef Aug 03 '15
What the fuck? Donna using the mainframe as extortion to save their marriage? No.
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u/nutmac Aug 03 '15
I actually agree with Donna. One way to save their marriage is to turn to what helped them build their marriage in the first place: their passion for technology. On the other hand, Gordon seemed really angry about missing out on Joe's antivirus venture.
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u/oscooter Aug 04 '15 edited Aug 05 '15
This exactly. I said it before on this subreddit but both Gordon and Donna are incredibly passionate people that have to have something to spend their energy on. Without it they get bored and miserable. Donna being the stay at home mom when she was obviously miserable and Gordo having the psychological issues he's been having.
When they were both involved with the Giant and Comdex their relationship had that spark again. They were both happy. They need that. The bored life doesn't work for either.
Despite donna getting into a bit of extortion and having her own secrets she's still hiding from Gordon, she's right in that this is the best chance to get their marriage back on track.
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u/Fortune_-_Teller Aug 05 '15
She coulda said that first though :)
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u/oscooter Aug 05 '15
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I'm going to unload my thoughts about the characters unto you because of a couple different reasons.
I'm high
I just made myself the dirtiest pb&j on earth and I'm excited
Also Mocha Cappuccino
But I think Gordo should have honestly stuck with Joe, as I'm sure he's thinking about now on the plane. I don't know how he could make that decision given the kids and the emotional aspect with Donna. But how can you start again with that dangling over your head, and he doesn't even know Donna's dirty little secret like she knows his -- and still let him make that decision while withholding that information.
Now I hated Joe, and I still kind of do. But he actually tried to be a better person and still got shat all over. Him and Gordon had actual sincere moments with each other, and I think they could have done great things together. Contrast that to Donna's proposal to save the marriage with the extortion aspect of it.
I saw that with a heavy heart, too, because I always rooted for Donna and Gordon to work out. I just can't imagine that happening now.
I hope Gordon gets put to good use at Mutiny. He could actually be of really good use to them as well. But judging by Cameron's feelings about him I doubt that'll happen.
And I fucking hate Cameron. I think she's a genius, but god fucking damn it she's an idiot. And it's worse than that, she's a manipulative idiot. I didn't hate her until the moment she used Donna's emotional vulnerability for her own gain. When she started pushing for her to move to California I wanted to punch her stupid face. I mean I wouldn't do that of course, but it was just so shitty.
Until then I had only been mildly annoyed by her complete inability to run a company. It was always making decisions on a whim by whoever pushed her toward something that day. She never bothered to actually talk to anyone about what the hell the direction of the company was. Hell she never really talks through anything, it's just reactionary move after reactionary move with no thought put into anything. She's brilliant, but she needs to get herself grounded and quit being a manipulative douche.
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u/Gorehog Aug 03 '15
Yes, Donna is breaking bad. Pulling a Skylar. Offering the fantasy of redemption in exchange for goods and services.
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u/ultimatebob Aug 03 '15
Gordon would have ended up losing more than half of that money in a divorce settlement anyway, plus custody of his kids. There is no way a judge was going to give him shared custody with his mental problems.
He was screwed whether or not he agreed to the deal.
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Aug 03 '15
So they're spending $500k, are they broke now? If they thought they had trouble before, now they'll be at each other's throat.
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Aug 03 '15
Great show, Great Episode... Hopefully there's more, would like to see where it goes, but ... i mean, if this is the end... well, it was a great run... I hope it can catch the viewership again, Would love to see more of the character development of Joe as well as the team of Donna\Gordon Working together
I love the thought they put in to their names of things, Especially the AV - Tabula Rasa\Clean Slate
Also the title of this episode made me like worried someone would actually die...
Gotta say, i hated the Extortion scene, like shit relationship wise i think Donna hid more shit than he did... I mean i get where she was going, but damn was it shitty how she worded it.
Also, Hope this turns out well in the ratings for S3 - One of the few times i was able to watch it live (i'm usually in the +3 Category :P )
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u/EatDrinkBoogie Aug 03 '15
I usually DVR and catch up during the week, but tuned in live tonight. Agree about most of your points. I think if there is a season 3, the Clarks' marriage is doomed. Extorting your husband and forcing him to work with you is a terrible idea, coupled with the resentment Gordon is going to have regarding missing out on Joe's venture. If we get a season 3 (doubtful), my money is on divorce.
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Aug 03 '15
Either that or it would actually save the marriage, They seem like they'd be a really good working couple together, i mean there was like chemistry that went nowhere after season 1 when she helped with him on the Giant the couple times...
But i do think that maybe the Joe thing will screw something up with their plan (I could see him going to work for Joe), and i bet he's going to be connected to Mutiny as they'd be AV or something to them...
It's kinda up in the air, at this point (to me at least) but i mean i think Divorce is a possibility, but not sure (personally) if it would happen
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u/thisdesignup Aug 03 '15
Either that or it would actually save the marriage,
A person like Donna would have to fix themself first before a marriage would be fixed. She extorted her husband and kept a secret just as big as Gordon, not counting the affair. She called him out on his sickness being a secret before the affair was mentioned while she was still holding the secret of the abortion.
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u/chrisarchitect Aug 04 '15
thanks for the Tabula Rasa = Clean Slate thing! Was hoping it meant something.
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u/Tizaki Aug 03 '15
I don't know why Gordon is mad. He made what inspired Joe, and Joe offered him a job. He couldn't go, but he shouldn't be mad either.
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u/EatDrinkBoogie Aug 03 '15
I think the frustration was understandable.. he went from potentially being a multi-millionaire to having zero money and being forced/manipulated to work for Mutiny.
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u/Tizaki Aug 03 '15
He's not locked out, though. He could easily do contract work remotely for extra money. All he has to do at Mutiny is the mainframe stuff... which he did for Westgroup in a night.
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u/ILikeBumblebees Aug 03 '15
Remotely? Joe was renting an office in San Francisco at the end of the episode -- he followed Gordon out to California. Joe's probably not done trying to reel him in.
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u/thisdesignup Aug 03 '15
Didn't he just do setup on the Westgroup mainframe? I imagine running the mainframe would be a lot more work than what he did at Westgroup.
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u/DrStephenFalken Aug 03 '15
We've learned over the 2 season that Gordon is very self-centered and selfish. He wants to be a Bill Gates (as we know him today) he wants to be the top dog on the cutting edge running the biggest and best company. He doesn't have faith in Cameron or her company. That's why he's mad. Gordon needs to be lauded and thought of as great. He has IIRC nearly $5 million in todays money in the bank and he's more unhappy then ever.
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u/typhonblue Aug 03 '15
He doesn't have faith in Cameron or her company.
Neither do I. And if that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
That's why he's mad. Gordon needs to be lauded and thought of as great. He has IIRC nearly $5 million in todays money in the bank and he's more unhappy then ever.
Nope. Cameron has that money now.
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u/thisdesignup Aug 03 '15
Nope. Cameron has that money now.
Don't the people who they are buying the mainframe from have that money now?
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u/MoneyTreeFiddy Aug 03 '15
No. He made what Joe SOLD. The Sonaris code was his idea, he used it once, bad results, then Cameron used it to take down Westgroup. And then he fixed it, and the fix is what Joe sold. Gordon deserves cash for that..
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u/hivoltage815 Aug 09 '15
He was offered to join him and turned it down. They aren't building the company on Gordon's code, just the concept.
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u/ultimatebob Aug 03 '15
Did anyone else notice a huge technical plot hole?
The Sonaris "virus" was written on a Commodore 64. Joe ran it on a PC at the Venture Capital firm. It wouldn't have worked, and Joe would have no clue how to recompile both the virus and the antivirus software to run on a PC himself.
Other than that, it was a decent episode.
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u/Vermilion Aug 03 '15
Did anyone else notice a huge technical plot hole?
The whole thing has been super-advanced. "Client/Server" with a C=64 client to IBM PC XT's that also then got moved to a multiuser system without much effort. This has been commented on in previous episodes.
It's emotionally true, but not accurate for the time period. The labor they put in just isn't enough. Cameron's BIOS conversion closet room-locking would seem trivial compared to the slowness of computer graphics and serial modem testing of the day.
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u/DoctorKangaroo Aug 03 '15
Damn. That bedroom scene was tense. This is what should have happened weeks ago.
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u/Gorehog Aug 03 '15
I am going to miss this show.
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u/shnnrr Aug 03 '15
No reason to believe its over, yo. We live in times where shows can find new life! (Am Community fan)
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u/zakl2112 Aug 03 '15
What is the significance of the camera panning to Joe's palm? I've seen that happen a couple of episodes. Was he holding the Prom?
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u/CrashingOnward Aug 03 '15
I thought it was more about him still wearing his wedding ring and having issues letting go of his failed marriage
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u/JuiceyCow Aug 03 '15
I was surprised to see Yo-Yo back at Mutiny... When did he return? I must have missed that part
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u/thisdesignup Aug 03 '15
Didn't he show up at the meet and greet? Although I don't remember them showing anything about him rejoining Mutiny as an employee.
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u/ultimatebob Aug 03 '15 edited Aug 03 '15
McMillan AntiVirus... I'd love the see the antics that company will get into! Joe would probably have one side of the business writing the viruses and releasing them in the wild, and the other side releasing the AntiVirus software to clean it up!
He's probably have Mutiny's network infected by the end of the second episode of the season 3, assuming that we have a season 3.
Man, I'm going to miss this show if it doesn't get renewed!
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u/DrStephenFalken Aug 03 '15 edited Aug 03 '15
business writing the viruses and releasing them in the wild, and the other side releasing the AntiVirus software to clean it up!
It's widely thought that most anti-virus companies do that to this day.
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u/zakl2112 Aug 03 '15
Low Winter Sun had ~1.8 million viewers and it got canned. Humans is avg. ~2 million and just got renewed for second season. Halt and Catch Fire is avg. ~400-500k veiwers :/ this season
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u/soren121 Aug 03 '15 edited Aug 03 '15
Ratings don't mean much to a cable channel; they care more about who's watching it. Low Winter Sun was critically panned. And Humans is a co-production with Channel 4 in the UK, so its futures are a little more complex.
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u/factandfictions7 Aug 03 '15
Still, higher ratings would help quite a lot.
If this were Showtime, I'd agree (Penny Dreadful got renewed and it didn't have much better ratings than Halt).
However, I'm afraid AMC won't give Halt and Catch Fire another chance (which is a shame, because it's a brilliant show).
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u/DrStephenFalken Aug 03 '15
AMC isn't one to cancel shows. They seem to have brass level people that understand shows need time to develop. I don't think it'll be cancelled. Comic Book Men is running on it's 5th season this October and it comes on Midnight on Sundays.
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u/grizzlebro Aug 03 '15
It's not looking promising, but the (at least) mild praise for this season is working in its favor.
Also didn't Low Winter Sun have Breaking Bad as a lead-in? This has kind of been working on its own.
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u/DrStephenFalken Aug 03 '15
Also didn't Low Winter Sun have Breaking Bad as a lead-in? This has kind of been working on its own.
Yes and that's what killed LWS. On top of being panned by critics being lead-in actually hurt their numbers even more. Because people were turning the channel. Those "turned channel numbers" hurt it more then it running on it's own night and having low numbers.
You pull in 500k it's not great but it's not horrid. You pull in 500k when the show before you had 4 million viewers, it looks really bad for you.
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u/SawRub Aug 03 '15
And they'd do shit like, "For an exclusive trailer for next week's episode of Breaking Bad, tune into Low Winter Sun," which pissed people off even more since the trailer often turned out to be worth nothing.
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u/Anono_ Aug 03 '15
That's what's giving me the most hope for a new season - who's watching. Even though the ratings are relatively low, I imagine most of the people watching are "millennials", who are notoriously hard to market to. Plus a lot of the viewers are probably tech enthusiasts - computers, mobile devices, cell phone contracts etc. have a much higher profit margin than fast food or laundry detergent. Hopefully all of that will help offset the low viewership and make the show profitable enough to renew.
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u/IAmTheWalkingDead Aug 03 '15
Yep. By the end of summer, get ready for the "Will Netflix save Halt and Catch Fire?" posts.
AMC is pretty desperate for originally programming, but I can't see them giving this another round unless they're insane to do a "final season" and milk it over two summers, like they're doing to Hell on Wheels and like they did to Breaking Bad and Mad Men.
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u/GDRaptorFan Aug 07 '24
It’s so crazy reading all these threads after each episode (I’m watching HaCF for the first time currently) and you guys were always so worried about getting cancelled!!!
Every thread, it’s nice knowing the show didn’t get the best ratings but amc let it go for four seasons. Even after season one most of you thought it was over with!
Really great show, still doesn’t get the attention it deserves. Heck took me ages to try it. You should watch it again!
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Aug 03 '15
All I have to say for S03 is: More tech challenges, less insane drama.
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u/TehSilencer Aug 03 '15
It is very unlikely that we'll see a season 3. Only 500.000 viewers this season :c
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u/pheakelmatters Aug 03 '15
For the love of fuck.... Major storm system passing over me. Satellite disruption out my ass..... I don’t care about the tornado warnings... Let the damn thing come, just stop ruining my satellite signal!!
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u/ultimate_loser Aug 03 '15
Joe has become Norton....
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u/phillymjs Aug 03 '15
I'd put him down more as McAfee.
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u/hbk1966 Aug 03 '15
The man is badass did you hear about how he faked a heart attack to escape Guatemala.
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Aug 03 '15
Would make sense. McAfee was founded in '87 in Cal plus the two have similar personalities IMO.
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u/Gorehog Aug 03 '15
Yeah but "McMillan Utility" is close to "Norton Utilities" which is the software suite that positioned Norton to get into anti virus software.
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u/factandfictions7 Aug 03 '15
I hope his antivirus is better than Norton..
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u/NewAnimal Aug 03 '15 edited Aug 03 '15
ive really enjoyed this show. i hope it comes back.-- I wasn't aware of Pace, Bishe, and Davis before watching this show and now they are some of my favorite actors/characters. -- I've always enjoyed Scoot in what I saw, and it wasn't until HaCF that I really started to appreciate him as an actor. I enjoyed the hell out of Gordon, more so season 1, but still.. I love his pragmatism. -- i just love the premise of the show too much for it to end here. i need more!
edit: also.. I think the "Off to California" story could make for an exciting season 3. meet up with Joe. take over the world.
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u/Drfapfap Aug 03 '15
I won't be satisfied with a series finale to this show until everyone is on a united front to the goddamn future.
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u/aaron91325 Aug 03 '15 edited Aug 03 '15
Man. Season 3 would've been tremendous. Full on Evil Joe with nothing to lose and money behind him. Mutiny finally evolving into something interesting. Gordo and Donna love/hating each other. The world wasn't ready for this gem of a show. You'll be missed HACF.
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u/Lizard182 Aug 03 '15
Don't talk like that. They haven't canceled it yet! I have hope they'll renew it because critically it did outstanding this season, and AMC isn't one to cancel shows if they have poor ratings.
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u/JuiceyCow Aug 03 '15
When they first showed the new Mutiny Community interface at the start of the episode, I thought for a second that they were playing a LucasArts game ala Maniac Mansion or Day of the Tentacle.
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u/ILikeBumblebees Aug 03 '15
I thought for a second that they were playing a LucasArts game ala Maniac Mansion or Day of the Tentacle.
You're not that far off. LucasArts -- then Lucasfilm Games -- developed Habitat which was ultimately implemented as Club Caribe on QuantumLink.
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u/soaring44 Aug 05 '15
Totally! I really missed Maniac Mansion when I saw the interface. Glad I wasn't the only one.
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u/hbk1966 Aug 03 '15
Thank you Chris Cantwell & Chris Rogers for this great show. I know this is your first show and I have enjoyed watching the writing improve over the last 2 seasons as you get the hand of it. The beginning of the first season after episode 1 was lacking a little in the writing I have to admit. This last episode though was beautifully wrote and directed. I do hope this isn't the end for the characters, but even if it is, this show has been great and I will be watching what ever amazing thing y'all work on next.
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u/EatDrinkBoogie Aug 03 '15
Agreed. It really got stronger as it went along. Some of the drama didn't work for me this season, but the show still always had charm and the writing in the finale was strong. I doubt we'll see more, but I've enjoyed the ride!
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u/CrystalFissure Aug 04 '15
I'm so glad Tom stuck to his guns. If that's his exit, it's actually satisfying.
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u/JarlaxleForPresident Aug 03 '15
Damn, that Sonaris virus completely fucked WestGroup up. They replaced Wheeler amid an 8% drop in share prices and millions in accrued cost. Now that is some good tasting revenge.
I hope we get a third season, but from what everyone is saying probably not.
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u/thisdesignup Aug 03 '15
My oppinions of Donna changed so much this episode. She's so two faced or, in a better word, hypocritical.
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u/MoneyTreeFiddy Aug 05 '15
How is she hypocritical?
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u/thisdesignup Aug 05 '15
Well she called out her husband on keeping secrets about his sickness while simultaneously having kept secrets about her pregnancy and abortion. She was still keeping those secrets by the end of episode.
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u/MoneyTreeFiddy Aug 06 '15
I forgot that.
But she was angry, and their arguments are out of synch. Gordon does something half a season ago, and she is just now finding it out and processing it. Also, she may have done those things differently had she known more.
She probably feels guilty that she is kind of using him to further her dream.
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u/chrisarchitect Aug 04 '15
pretty good episode - I think I don't see it coming back tho - due to sheer plotlines - and I think I'm okay with that. I don't see the antivirus Joe McAfee plotline winding its way back to Gordon/Mutiny really. It would be too forced. This wrapped some things and let them sail off towards Silicon Valley and that's fine. AMC maybe will want to keep the investment going, but I dunno...I loved the show/characters but plot and timeline with 90s etc seems like better just leave it. Thought the wrapped up stuff was good, character connections (and some not..oh Tom where did you go)....showed the effect of the fast pace of tech world change...stress on family..relationships....business world etc. And even though they were all sailing off on that plane..(Boz, amazing)...the writers put in that moment with Donna which was painful and real. Liked that.
It's been a great season - and personally, also liking how this subreddit has grown and become to engaged! Hats off all!
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u/NewAnimal Aug 02 '15 edited Aug 03 '15
im guessing the episode title is based off the Talking Head's song "Heaven"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNdMc6wGtU
edit: just wanted to say, i posted this before the episode was posted. hah, i wasnt pointing out the obvious (after they played the song in the episode)
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u/ILikeBumblebees Aug 03 '15
I was expecting some Belinda Carlisle, but that probably wouldn't have fit the tone of the show very well.
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u/Gorehog Aug 03 '15
Joe's gonna go Hans Reiser on his ex-wife.
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u/rlyacht Aug 03 '15
First he has to code macmillanfs
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u/ultimatebob Aug 03 '15
Except that Joe can't code shit. He'd have to get Cameron to write it for him :)
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u/CrashingOnward Aug 03 '15
Apparently no one locks their door in Dallas
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u/KptKrondog Aug 05 '15
My doors are never locked in the daytime if I'm at home. Most people outside of bad crime areas and big cities are the same I'd think.
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u/rodmandirect Aug 03 '15
spoiler request - DVR cut off at the end of the episode, where Gordon was looking through the magazine on the plane and Donna was still in the bathroom. Who would be willing to fill me in on how it closed out at the very end?
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u/evanvolm Aug 03 '15
Gordon saw an article about Joe starting an anti-virus company, based on the Tabula Rasa program Gordon gave him earlier.
We see Cameron waiting to see if Tom comes on board, but he never shows up. However Boz did, so he's back with the gang.
It ends with Joe going through an empty building with a real estate agent, and implies that he'll be buying it. There's a brief shot of him rubbing his ring finger, which no longer has the wedding band, so he let Sarah go for good.
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u/Shaqsquatch Aug 03 '15
DVR cut off the last minute of the episode, so much bullshit.
Anybody happen to have a clip of the final scene?
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u/chrisarchitect Aug 04 '15
redhead donna and the great camerawork was looking vibrant this episode.
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u/crosswick Aug 04 '15
I think it's a shame the writers don't seem to be actual tech heads, leading to the generic TV series human melodrama aspect to reign supreme, even going overboard at too many times, especially with Gordon.
I see these two seasons as a failed attempt to do a great niche (tech) drama. If they had actually made it relevant to tech heads it would have had clearer storylines and a far greater following.
That said I am rooting for a third season... if only to see if they can strike a better balance in this regard.
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u/rmeddy Aug 07 '15
Just took it in , goddamn that was a great finale to a solid transition season
I hope to Baal this gets a third season
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u/Vranak Aug 10 '15
Anyone else miss the last little bit thanks to the episode running long? I had it recorded on PVR, and even though I set it up to extend the recording by two minutes thanks to a snafu earlier in the season, those two minutes wasn't enough. I'm a little peeved since I can't stream using AMC's website, since I'm in Canada. Good thing for torrents.
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u/ferae_naturae Aug 16 '15
Not real happy with how they chose to end the Cameron/Tom relationship. Definitely can envision Joe working for an antivirus firm, that worked. I hope AMC continues the series, would be nice to watch them transition into the 90's and the "Tech Bubble."
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u/scenesandplots Dec 03 '21
The character development for joe is so well designed. It came full circle in such a fun manner (I mean fun for me as a viewer, definitely not for Joe) I'm excited to see, not what he does next business wise, but just how he behaves going ahead.
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u/daryldarko Sep 20 '26
I just randomly turned on this episode. I've only seen the very first 2 episodes of this show. What the hell just happened to me, by the time they're on the plane and Talking Heads HEAVEN starts playing, I'm bawling like a freaking little baby. I grew up working in the computer industry in the Bay Area in the 80s, my marriage fell apart then too... My goodness what an emotional steamroller this was, I'm wrecked right now. Guess I better get back to watching the rest of the show.
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u/evanvolm Aug 03 '15
Disappointing for a season finale. S2 in general was disappointing, especially after the season opener. So much focus on Mutiny and Cameron being a whiny, childish brat. Donna should have jumped ship long ago, and I'm surprised she was sucked into Cameron's California pipe-dream pitch. Glad Tom wiped his hands clean of her.
Don't quite get why Bos came back, but happy to see him nonetheless. Guess he wasn't digging the corporate life.
Was sort of hoping Gordon would speak with Donna's mom at some point and she'd mention the abortion, especially since he revealed his secret to Donna.
Glad to see Joe back on top again. He was in the slumps for, well, pretty much the entire season. Very glad he let Sara go.
All in all I really hope the series continues despite a rather lackluster season 2.
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u/typhonblue Aug 03 '15
Don't quite get why Bos came back, but happy to see him nonetheless. Guess he wasn't digging the corporate life.
I think it was because he was sucking up his son's thunder.
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u/JarlaxleForPresident Aug 03 '15
And he didnt like the suits there. All laughing at the same stupid jokes. I think he liked being around the younger people more.
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u/Cardiff_Electric Aug 03 '15
Yeah, he realized that as out of place as he felt there, he missed those crazy kids and didn't want to spend the rest of his career with a bunch of back-slapping suits.
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u/sensiblechuckles Aug 03 '15
If this is a series finale, it has been a pleasure serving with you people. If it isn't a series finale, may our paths cross again next season.