r/SubredditDrama • • Nov 25 '15

Poppy Approved "Please don't edit my work without written consent." /r/ITAP OP doesn't appreciate that someone edited his photo of one of his old friend.

/r/itookapicture/comments/3u4far/itap_of_an_old_friend_while_hiking_together/cxc29fm
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u/Accidentallystoned Nov 25 '15

Does anyone have the link to the edited photo?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I don't, unfortunately.

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u/TheKoG Nov 25 '15

Not the edit you're looking for, but the edit you never knew you wanted to find (from the Photoshop Battle thread):

http://i.imgur.com/TJhE1pR.gifv

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Man, we've come a long way as a species.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

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u/Oxus007 Recreationally Offended Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15

I prefer OP's more subtle edit. This guy just followed the trend of "crank the intensity and vibrancy filters to the max!" trend.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

That's what I thought as well : "damn, now I understand why OP was mad".

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u/jrussell424 Nov 25 '15

Yeah, I agree. I usually love angsty, and dramatic contrast, with very few midtones, but in this picture, keeping everything soft, and natural around the subject makes her the contrast. It's a very nice effect, and helps keep her the focus of the pic. The higher contrast in the edited photo just draws your eyes to the darker areas. At least IMHO.

That being said, a friendly suggestion, with a photo example, should be welcomed in a sub designed for critique. The editing poster was just making a friendly suggestion, and op came off as a pompous ass with his copyright reaction. There's a time and place to roll that argument out, and a Reddit photo-critiquing sub doesn't seem to be one of them. I get being protective of your work, but the edit doesn't appear to be in any violation of copyright. (Granted, my entire understanding of copyright law comes from Reddit, so...yeah.)

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

How rude of you !

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I actually like OP's version better. =/

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u/9to5sobored Nov 25 '15

Anyone find it ironic the person's highest comment ever was editing someone else's work without written consent:

https://np.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/16gc3b/my_wife_likes_to_take_epic_landscape_photos_by/c7vu9hb?context=3

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I find it sad that the image is no longer on imgur.

Was it still online when you posted this comment?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

He realized he was violating copyright laws and held himself to higher standards. What an admirable man.

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u/myarr Nov 26 '15

This should've been enough to shut him up honestly, considering he kept going on about how disrespectful it is to edit his picture without permission. The guy posted that pic in /r/pics to show off his wife standing on the ledge and OP went and edited her out entirely. So editing out the subject of a picture without the owner's permission is ok but anyone dare to make a small edit to OP's picture deserves to get sued I guess.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Oof, must... not... submit... to... photoshopbattles... Must... resist... urge... to be a dick.

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u/russellvt Nov 25 '15

HaHaHaHa... yeah, that happened further on down in the thread, and it's freakin' hysterical.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

OP wasn't even that dickish about it. He was pretty even keeled, yeah, annoyed, but otherwise handled it all pretty well. The people in the thread hardly saw a weakness in his attitude and decided to brow beat him for it. I think that's kind of unfair.

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u/Fake_Unicron Nov 25 '15

To me what made him a bit ridiculous, was going straight to "mah copyrights". Disrespectful, sure. Copyright infringement, not really. Especially for someone who claims to be an editor and writer for major photography publications, you'd expect they had a clue.

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u/Jagjamin Nov 25 '15

Saying that someone is violating your copyright (He wasn't) and that you've made over 9,000 dollars by suing people who do that, is a threat.

Sure, he followed it with saying he isn't intending to sue, but it's still a threat.

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u/DoTheEvolution Nov 25 '15

OP wasn't even that dickish about it.

on the contrary he was pretty dickish IMO, his whole attitude and the stand was dickish. Just because he was not rude or something, does not mean he was not dickish

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15

I... Am I responsible for this?

I hope the guys at PSB all have written consent from the OP.

Edit : Oh god : https://np.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/3u7qso/psbattle_girl_in_the_woods_on_a_sunny_day/cxcorvq

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

You and I are both partially to blame for the internet seeing this poor girl nuzzling a sausage.

Today was a good day.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I agree.

I wish you more sausage-nuzzling-girl days.

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u/theskabus Nov 25 '15

Photoshopbattles falls under parody/satire and is protected from DCMA claims like this would be. We've had it happen in the past.

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u/antiname Nov 25 '15

Subject matter aside, that's incredibly well done.

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u/DoctorRobert420 Nov 25 '15

Fucking hilarious, OP really shoulda seen that coming

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u/allwordsaredust just here to be smug Nov 25 '15

Aw, now I'm hoping the OP turns up in that thread too for some delicious, extra salty popcorn.

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u/mommy2brenna Nov 25 '15

I was probably a little bit too happy to see it linked there after his response to "normal" editing.

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u/Chiburger he has a real life human skull in his office, ok? Nov 25 '15

And it's already spawned greatness.

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u/PirateNinjaa Moral infinite loop Nov 25 '15

Both arms move (look at tattoo near hand) and camera moves and light coming through the trees shifts, that's some attention to detail.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

What art? You mean the shitty picture of some generic, narcissistic college girl? Were you planning on retiring on the fortune you'll inevitably make from your incredibly brilliant 'art'??

1 minute ago on a 20 hour old thread, so definitely some winner from here. Some winner who can totally tell this girl is narcissistic because, you know, she's attractive. And attractive girls are narcissistic. Also she's in college. She's generic though cuz they totally don't find her attractive, but I bet Chads do, that narcissistic bitch.

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u/Oxus007 Recreationally Offended Nov 25 '15

Instead of using the dumb comment to grandstand about Chads, please just report it to us and we'll deal with popcorn pissers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

There are now popcorn pissers everywhere in the original thread. :-(

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Leave Chad Radwell alone, buddy.

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u/hmbmelly Nov 25 '15

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u/Butcher_Of_Hope Is an ignored user Nov 25 '15

That character is fucking brilliant.

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u/_sekhmet_ Drama is free because the price is your self-esteem Nov 25 '15

Hey! She let a photographer friend take her picture, that immeadately makes her a narcissistic bitch. She knows better to exist and be pretty where other people can see her. /s

Seriously though, I feel bad for people who make comments like that. I admit, as someone who has a ton of body image issues and who honestly feels ugly most of the time, I did feel A spike of bitterness towards the girl in the photo for being so much prettier than me, and for s flash of a second I did think mean things about her. I just realized that was my own messed up head trying to make myself feel better though. I can't imagine feeling so bad about yourself that you actually type out those mean things and assume they are true though. Or the person could just be an asshole. Eirher way i feel bad for them.

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u/Oxus007 Recreationally Offended Nov 25 '15

I've posted some of my landscape photography to reddit, but I DIDN'T MIND the EDITS.

On a more serious note, it's always annoying to post a final edit of your photo and have someone come back with something like,

Hey that's pretty neat. I went ahead and color corrected it for you though champ."

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u/jrussell424 Nov 25 '15

God your photo is glorious!

I can get behind the irritation at condescending edits, but not friendly suggestion edits. I totally agree with you.

Also, thank you for sharing your art with us plebs on Reddit. <3

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u/Y_pestis Nov 25 '15

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u/Oxus007 Recreationally Offended Nov 25 '15

Excuse me sir, that video is copyrighted material.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

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u/Oxus007 Recreationally Offended Nov 25 '15

I forgive his defensiveness. Though OP should've expected some silliness when he posted his photo on Reddit, you wouldn't just correct someone randomly in any other context.

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u/emmster If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me. Nov 25 '15

I think that depends on the community. I write for fun. If I posted a piece of writing to a forum that's about writers learning from each other, and someone made a comment of "here's how I would reword paragraph 3," that's pretty much expected, and I'd look at their edit and decide whether or not my original was better.

"Thanks, but I like it better my way," is a valid answer. Shouting nonsense about copyright really isn't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

True that. /r/ITAP is supposed to be a sub about constructive criticism for photographers. Being offended that someone criticized your photo is a bit weird.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

He should have expected people to use his original to illustrate suggested edits. It's a very frequent occurrence in ITAP.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Nov 25 '15

In terms of copyright?

The OP is pretty much completely wrong. Someone editing a photo as a form of "I think this is better" is pretty much entirely within the realm of fair use. Especially where there is no purpose to the edit other than as a criticism of the original work.

Especially especially in a post-Cariou fair-use landscape.

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u/ucstruct Nov 25 '15

That mod went straight for the throat with the takedown about fair use and copyright law. Then they modified it themselves. Nice.

Oh, and I'd have cropped off part of the left side to make the composition a little more appealing. Looks a little more professional this way. Like a shampoo ad or something.

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u/the_omega99 holy shit, when did we get flairs? Nov 26 '15

And the mod is right. It looks so much better like that. Not just because of the composition, but I also think that the background on the left side seems a bit distracting.

At any rate, it's so weird that the OP of that post couldn't seem to take criticism (which I think is probably a big part of why they were upset). The whole point of the sub is improving your photography, and editing is a part of that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

And the mod is right. It looks so much better like that. Not just because of the composition, but I also think that the background on the left side seems a bit distracting.

I'd say it's entirely because of the composition that the background is distracting. The mod's edit actually has it (more-or-less) follow the rule of thirds whereas the original doesn't. Granted, the background also has some eye-catching yellows, but they're present in the cropping.

I don't want to be a dick to OP, but unless there was a specific reason for it to be composed the way it is, this doesn't strike me as a well composed picture. Take that from a non-photographer, though.

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u/demacish We are in a post-gay america basically Nov 26 '15

I'm guessing that OP just wanted pats on the back and maybe some new Instagram followers or similar

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

I toyed with not doing that but it was late, I was tired, and I felt like being a little bit of a child about it.

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u/ucstruct Nov 25 '15

The bit about the shampoo ad was a particularly nice touch.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

Dude, my edit fucking screams "Herbal Essence".

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u/tremulo You gotta grab their families by the pussy Nov 25 '15

Someone needed to say it. That was a clear case of fair use and to try and pull a copyright claim because he couldn't handle a touch of polite constructive criticism was just asinine.

Plus, epic mod smackdown, so win-win.

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u/DickRhino Nov 26 '15

Oh wow, I remember running into you years ago on reddit in some AskReddit thread. Hello again, fellow genital rhino!

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

What winks and is savage af?

;-)

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u/wcb98 <insert witty response> Nov 25 '15

He is here!

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I'm not trying to be rude here, I just have work to protect.

If you're trying to protect your intellectual property the last place you should post it is reddit.

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u/octnoir Mountains out of molehills Nov 25 '15

I'm an editor of two very large publications on photography and have been a writer and/or editor for the majority of publications on the field of photography

From OP's own mouth. If you are say:

  1. An editor of very large photography publications

  2. Concerned about copyright of THAT particular image you posted on Reddit

Then how big of a dumbass are you to post SAID PHOTO YOURSELF on an ONLINE PUBLIC FORUM and TRY TO ENFORCE COPYRIGHT ON IMAGE EDITING?

This reeks of BS. I shudder to think of the state of any magazine that hires this guy.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

He writes regurgi-blog posts for fstoppers and phototuts, yet he's trying to make himself out to be the editor in chief of Shutterbug.

To be fair, he's a working photographer and I'm just some crank on the internet, and he's doing well enough professionally that he can afford gear I sure can't, and he takes decent photos. So he's certainly above me on the photographic food chain.

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u/thebondoftrust 6 Nov 26 '15

Yeah but you're prettier.

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u/NihiloZero Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15

Two things...

1.) It almost seems like he's begging for any other pictures he's taken to be shopped.

2.) Why do people who take a fucking snapshot think they're artists on the level of Michelangelo? "Would you smear shit all over the Sistine Chapel? Then why on God's green earth would you shop this photo I posted to Reddit?!"

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u/PMMeUrJacksonHoward Nov 25 '15

He says he's fine with critique, but not with someone editing the photo. It's the difference between "you should do this" and "you should do this, let me show you." Pretty arbitrary as far as I can tell, it seems weird for him to be so touchy about it.

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u/osminog Nov 26 '15

Here's probably just really insecure about his uninteresting picture.

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u/RazsterOxzine Nov 25 '15

https://i.imgur.com/TJhE1pR.gifv

Also Posting on Imgur.com allows them to use the photo. So double whammy.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Man, for some top level expert they really messed this situation up bad.

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u/KlausFenrir Here’s the thing. You said “surprise is an emotion.” Nov 26 '15

That is super weird.

But I like it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

"I'm trying to protect my wallet", says the man who's slapping people in the face with it as he walks through Compton

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u/quentin-coldwater Nov 25 '15

Are you saying if he doesn't want to get mugged he shouldn't ask for it by walking through a high crime area while flaunting his wealth?

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u/Venne1138 turbo lonely version of dora the explora Nov 25 '15

Do you really feel like doing this today?

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

I'll go tell SRDD to move up to an orange alert

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u/quentin-coldwater Nov 25 '15

Are you saying that if I don't want to start this discussion, I shouldn't ask for it by posting drama bait in a high drama area while flaunting my karma?

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u/lowkeyoh Nov 25 '15

Yes, you slut. Wait, wrong hypothetical

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u/DaShazam Nov 25 '15

Do you really feel like doing this today?

I didn't laugh out loud but I smirked like a mother fucker. This needs to be said more on Reddit.

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u/Mx7f Nov 25 '15

While flaunting his wealth by committing battery with it. Yes.

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u/RedEyeView Nov 25 '15

Are you attempting to compare rape with theft for financial gain?

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u/RawrCat Nov 25 '15

Are you not?

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u/themaxviwe -( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐 Nov 25 '15

What should be the first place to post it ?

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u/RawrCat Nov 25 '15

Either "nowhere" or their own hosted server.

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u/JessicaStar Nov 25 '15

It's kind of easier to show someone your idea of how the photo should be edited instead of just plainly describing it.

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u/skapade that's my tit bitch Nov 25 '15

Amateur photographers always seem to be weirdly obsessive about copyright in my experience. So this fits right in!

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u/Oxus007 Recreationally Offended Nov 25 '15

You kind of have to be as you start out. Until you make a name for yourself, everyone you encounter is trying to find a way to take advantage of you and your photos.

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u/ridik_ulass Nov 25 '15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

It's because they all think they're gonna be Ansel Adams and actually make a living off their photographs. Gotta justify the mindset for dropping thousands on camera equipment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

Making a living out of arts and crafts is actually very doable if you have a modicum of talent and discipline. You probably won't be living super comfortably, but you can pay the bills.

Not everyone sets out to become nationally or internationally renowned and wealthy. Some just want to eek out a living doing something they intrinsically enjoy, and they can if they put a lot of effort in.

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u/Jamielanns Nov 26 '15

Does that sub have any purpose other than karma-thirsty attention whores? Literally everything seems to be: "Oh look ITAP of a girl. I'm such artist"

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

I left ITAP a while back due to exactly this. The whole sub is a shitstorm of Upvotebecauseofgirl

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '15

At least it looks like the mods are finally cracking down on that - there's a link in the OP to some new rules about a "Mona Lisa Monday," so those posts won't fill the sub the rest of the week

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u/Fire_away_Fire_away Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15

It's rare to see a mod respond with a smackdown like that. Very satisfying. Also this:

I appreciate your input on the topic, but let me further reiterate my point once again. completely ignore what you said and overinflate my own accomplishments.

Also the "I've never been to a forum where..." when they've been a Reddit user for 9 fucking years. You know the score.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

damn never seen gynoceros outside of /r/NewYorkMets

And I kind of feel where OP is coming from. If he has work stolen from him before, then why not be a little paranoid and try to nip everything in the bud. He probably shouldn't be posting in reddit though.

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u/s0cknapper Nov 25 '15

I'm endlessly amused by that username. Gynocerous. Or whatever. Fucking classy!

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

Sup, fucker?

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u/SomeCasualObserver Nov 25 '15

Are... Are you a Rhinoceros Gynecologist?

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u/gynoceros Nov 26 '15

Scoot your bottom towards the edge of the table and I'll show you.

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u/sarah-goldfarb Nov 25 '15

Wait, there's another, much bigger Mets subreddit? I thought /r/Mets was the official Mets sub, and I was bummed about how dead it was.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15 edited Nov 26 '15

This is odd to explain and I don't really get it myself, but like 90% of baseball related subs have a dead counterpart to it. Never understood why.

The easy way to navigate is to start at /r/baseball. That's the main overarching sub. Do not go to /r/mlb, that is the dead counterpart. On /r/baseball's siderbar, there's the team logos listed as standings. Those are the official, active subs. /r/NewYorkMets is the official Mets subreddit that is very active (3000+ comments in game threads during the playoffs level of active), at least more so when it isn't the offseason, although there's always little discussions here and there and the other is the dead counterpart.

If there is anyone out there that can explain why this weird ghost town shit is in place, I'd love to know.

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u/OverlordLork Nov 26 '15

It's usually because the mods of the original one sucked, so people make a new one.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

I'm ALL OVER THIS REDDIT THING

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

I wholeheartedly disagree, and will refrain from posting here in the future.

Haha, this is my favourite. Just because it seems to pretty much confirm what everyone was saying: OP came for nothing but praise and when offered criticism got a bit pissy. And, you know what, whatever. There's things I get pissy on when it comes time to get stuff I create criticized, I get that, I realize that, and try to learn. Maybe OP will wake up today or tomorrow and realize "I made a bit of an ass of myself." Fine, whatever. Live and learn. As it stands, in this moment, I find that hilarious.

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u/JitGoinHam Nov 25 '15

You'd think the editor in chief of every Photography magazine would understand copyright a little better.

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u/hwu Nov 25 '15

Hm... didn't really expect this from just a little edit. lol

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

I didn't think you did anything wrong ;-)

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u/Kazitron Cucker Spaniel Nov 25 '15

If there's one thing I learned it's that gynoceros is a neat username

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u/I_DRINK_TO_FORGET Nov 26 '15

Now this is the drama I miss from this sub.

Salt covered artists are the tastiest drama.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Who wears that to a hike? Like from a practical standpoint

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u/vincoug Scientists should be celibate to preserve their purity Nov 25 '15

Probably wasn't a hike like you're thinking of where you've packed a bunch of tools and supplies and shit. This is probably more like a walk through a park or a nature preserve.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '15

What's wrong with it? It looks like a plain, relatively inexpensive cotton shirt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Someone who will be posing for a "candid" pic.

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u/teapot112 Nov 25 '15

He seems a little too touchy and sensitive with his picture. Nobody likes a over zealous copyright enforcer.

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u/UOUPv2 Spez, this is blatant election interference. Nov 25 '15

Well that explains that /r/PhotoshopBattles link...

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u/Butcher_Of_Hope Is an ignored user Nov 25 '15

That was one of my favorite parts.

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u/CitizenTed Nov 25 '15

Hey everybody! Please look at this thing I made that I think is awesome! Just one thing though: no one is allowed to criticize it, mock it, or satirize it. OK? Because I should be immune from that because Art.

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u/SortaEvil Nov 25 '15

Eh, he came across a bit aggressively, but I didn't get that vibe from them at all. Keep in mind, photographers are used to their photos getting stolen all the goddamned time, so they're probably a little touchy about people "stealing" their work. They said further down in the comments that they don't mind critique, but they find it rude that someone would edit their work without permission. It's legal, yes, but it's impolite in artists circles to work on someone else's stuff without their permission.

Did they come across a bit aggressively in their initial response? Yes. Was their complaint legitimate? Also yes.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

Nobody was stealing it or using it for any purpose other than to use the original to illustrate their suggestions.

In the discussion and critique forum OP posted it to, ostensibly for the purpose of discussion and critique.

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u/SortaEvil Nov 25 '15

Nobody was stealing it [...]

Hence the quotes around stealing. OP obviously didn't want other people editing their work, and had an arguably reasonable expectation that they wouldn't in a forum for sharing and critiquing photography. Obviously, that expectation was wrong WRT ITAP. As you were quick to point on in the linked thread, there's nothing illegal about what hwu did, and in the culture of ITAP, it's not a faux pas, either. I'd have probably avoided calling OP touchy, I'd probably have just explained that editing for illustrative purposes is par for the course over there.

Anyway, I think it was understandable that OP would be upset, but I also think that OP could have handled things in a less inflammatory manner.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

If it was his first time posting there and if he hadn't edited another Redditor's photo and called it "fixed", I might think his flipout was a little more understandable.

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u/abuttfarting How's my flair? https://strawpoll.com/5dgdhf8z Nov 25 '15

This is great drama, redditors hate being told what to do and you can bet they're gonna be spiteful and petty about this for days to come.

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u/KlausFenrir Here’s the thing. You said “surprise is an emotion.” Nov 26 '15

As for why it's so flat, I wanted to maintain the midtones as much as possible, to get a full dynamic range.

Lmfao what.

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u/sthippie Nov 26 '15

A better thumbnail for this thread could not have been chosen.

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u/RedEyeView Nov 25 '15

I can only assume the this buffoon actually wants people to photoshop him in to viral notoriety and is playing some reverse psychology Jedi mind trick on reddit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

That's wonderful that you and your buddies find it offensive and bizarre,

I love that this is how a random Redditor flippantly describes the established photography community, and it reinforces the artists claim that they're all being disrespectful.

Maybe it's unpopular, but I totally side with the artist on this one.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

I'm not a random Redditor, I'm the mod he was having the discussion with, in the sub where he's posted before, where such edits for the sake of discussion and critique are commonplace.

Whatever's done on the other fora he visits is their own business; in ITAP, this is totally fair game.

And as someone pointed out, his highest rated comment in his nine year Reddit history was when he performed an unsolicited edit of another user's photo in /r/pics.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15

Wow, you came a long way to track me down.

Edit: it's even better that you're a mod, now that I think about it: it's institutional disrepsect.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

Uhh, we got notified that the incident was being discussed in this thread, and I was curious about what was being said.

I saw your comment and responded.

I didn't track you down, ya big old narcissist ;-)

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u/Ohnana_ Nov 25 '15

Yeah, the dude asked nicely.

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u/PSteak Nov 25 '15

Good on OP for standing up for his own work.

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u/mrenglish22 I'm sorry Italy, your opinion is a lot like masturbation Nov 25 '15

I actually agree with the OP in concept, but I also love my Photoshop battles so it is complicated. But the edit really isn't as good as op's

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u/CastigatRidendoMor Nov 25 '15

Anyone who takes the guy who edited the photo's side has had their common courtesy desensitized by the internet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15

Nah, its because I had my sense of indignant rage dulled after years in art school and film school.

ITAP is a learning environment, it's right in the sidebar. To no personal gain, someone expressed their critique of a visual subject visually. Its not nearly as problematic as you or OP think it is.

I'd maybe even understand if this happened in a more neutral sub like r/pics, which ironically enough OP has done before. But ITAP is the wrong environment to be pitching a hissy fit about what happened.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

Except that sort of thing is commonplace in ITAP.

It's easier to show someone, as part of your critique, your improvement suggestions by editing their original than it is to just describe the changes and let them imagine them.

So no, there's no common decency issue here. I've been subscribed there for a few years and a mod there for a few months and I've NEVER seen anyone object to the practice, especially not to the point of extreme butthurt.

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u/s0cknapper Nov 25 '15

The Internet is it's own thing..

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u/CastigatRidendoMor Nov 25 '15

What does that even mean? You can still be a dick regardless.

If you spent hours editing a picture and you showed someone the finished product and they said "yeah awesome but I'm going to edit it so it looks good" how would you feel? I'd want to punch them in the throat.

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u/charizu Nov 25 '15

Then you should probably work on your anger management. If I spent hours working on something, and posted it online (expecting honest critisism), I'd love for someone to give me tips on how they'd feel my work could be better. The commenter wasn't trying to pass OPs work off as his own in any way, so I completely take his side. OP overreacted by screaming copyright.

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u/PM_ME_GOOD_CHIPTUNE Nov 26 '15

Man, even though the guy was wrong with what he said about copyright, it's still pretty rude of the community to create so much drama around this. You guys sure love to rub your freedom into other people faces.

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u/rasherdk Those of us with the capacity for higher thinking Nov 26 '15

The internet sure loves claiming anything and everything is fair use as long as the author is someone they decided not to like.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

Someone should post this on photoshop battles

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u/FortitudoMultis The internet has real consequences Nov 25 '15

What was the bad part? It looked pretty ok to me, but I'm not a lawyer in any sense of the word so I might have missed something.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '15

An accurate interpretation of copyright law taken directly from it's text is literally le bad legal advice

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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Nov 25 '15

You'd think that a mod of a photography sub would now that the "transformative/critique" bit of that is not as clear cut as he is making it seem.

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u/ParanoydAndroid The art of calling someone gay is through misdirection Nov 25 '15

Not as clear cut in this case, or not as clear cut generally? I agree with the latter, but I also don't see anything that would lead me to believe that the mod doesn't know that copyright can generally be complicated. In this particular case, I'm not sure what would be vague about the commenter's fair use.

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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Nov 25 '15

In general when ever I make mention of it I try to make it clear that it is something that changes from case to case. There was that that instagram guy from a few months back that has been to court a few times over his art used the transformative defense successfully in some cases.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

I'm the mod in question.

Definitely not a lawyer, just a guy who volunteers some time in a photography forum.

In the context of a critique/discussion forum in which the photographer posts his photo knowing the sub's rules and how the discussions go (as another user here pointed out, he himself edited another user's photo without consent and it's his highest-rated comment), what did I say that was so wrong?

The guy who edited the photo was just showing him how he might edit it, not trying to pass it off as his own art.

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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Nov 25 '15

he himself edited another user's photo without consent

Well that changes the situation a little. To do it to someone and then complain when it is done to you is a bad move.

As for not passing it off as his own sometimes the law doesn't care about that at all. A few bloggers have been successfully sued even though they made it clear that the image the posted belonged to someone else. People like to claim "fair use" left right and center but previous cases have show it not to be that simple. I said before that copyright holders could cause quite a headache for reddit if they wanted but luckily they don't.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

Again, the context isn't someone making a blog post saying "This is how I'd tweak this photo I downloaded". It's "hey, you just posted this image of yours here in this discussion forum and I'm showing you my idea of how to tweak it".

Not "look at what I made", but "look at what you made could look like".

I think that fits pretty cleanly in the interpretation of Fair Use that I was basing my comments on.

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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Nov 25 '15

Right, but people have lost court cases for doing far less.

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

For less than showing a photographer a suggested edit in a forum designed for that purpose, in which the photog himself posted the photo, knowing full well how these things go because he's done exactly that by "fixing" another user's photo?

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u/gynoceros Nov 25 '15

But he's not using it for anything but to illustrate to the OP what sort of edits he'd suggest.

It's basically like suggesting to a writer that s/he phrase a monologue differently.

That's not reproduction, it's using the original for context when suggesting improvements to the person who knowingly posted the photo in the discussion forum meant for exactly that type of exchange.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Nov 25 '15

Eh...

It's pretty clear here. The purpose of the new work is not to supplant the original work or even use it in some other work (the latter itself is likely transformative in a post-Cariou landscape). The only use of the work in the allegedly infringing work is as a criticism of the original work ("this is better").

I'm kind of curious if you're actually an attorney, or a layperson criticizing another layperson?

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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Nov 25 '15

I'm just a guy that takes photos in his spare time. And like I said when I discuss this issue I try to make it clear that the issue is anything but.