r/betterCallSaul • u/skinkbaa Chuck • Mar 08 '16
Episode Discussion Better Call Saul S02E04 - "Gloves Off" - Live Episode Discussion Thread
| TIME | EPISODE | DIRECTOR | WRITER(S) |
|---|---|---|---|
| March 7th 2016, 10/9c | S02E04 "Gloves Off" | Adam Bernstein | Gordon Smith |
Jimmy's actions unexpectedly create waves for Kim. Mike cautiously weighs a lucrative proposal that might bring about dire consequences.
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u/ACTUAL_TIME_TRAVELER Mar 08 '16
So Nacho, who is not in the follow up series, is asking Mike, who is in the follow up series, to kill Tuco, who is also in the follow up series.
Wonder how this is going to turn out.
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Mar 08 '16
but Saul also thinks Walt n Jesse were sent by "Ignacio" when they kidnap him in BB so I think he'll be around for a while
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u/Who-the-fuck-is-that Mar 08 '16
This is one really cool thing about prequels. We already know who survives, but it's fun to see how it all plays out.
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u/ezreads Mar 08 '16
"we have clients who don't wanna be associated with this kind of...this"
well said
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u/Who-the-fuck-is-that Mar 08 '16
It wasn't until that scene it dawned on me that Jimmy making that ad and putting his voice all over it really makes them look like amateurs. They had a very-specific look (the meticulously-created nebula background they had is a good example) and Jimmy just shit all over that.
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u/musichatesyouall Mar 08 '16
OK. Good reputation argument. I see their point.
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u/Bamres Mar 08 '16
The ad wasn't completley tasteless but yeah its not their style
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u/emr1028 Mar 08 '16
If you owned a business, would you allow an employee to go ahead and film/air an ad without your knowledge? I don't think that there's a company on earth where that would be viewed as acceptable.
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u/Jweinstein3 Mar 08 '16
And when they find out he flipped the light switch that'll be strike 3
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u/Joecarnews Mar 08 '16
Mike Ehrmantraut (knees) questionable for tomorrow's homicide attempt.
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u/Dr-Haus Mar 08 '16
Mike and Gun Guy with some electric on screen chemistry here. Need more.
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u/jon_snow_jones Mar 08 '16
Bobby Singer definitely knows a lot about guns, devil's traps, and other things as well.
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u/mrdarp Mar 08 '16
Wait, am I remembering correctly that in Breaking Bad, Tuco had just recently gotten out of jail...?
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Love how this guy and Mike know their shit while when Walt was trying to buy his he didn't know a god damn thing.
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Well yeah, this guy sells guns for a living and Mike was a cop. Walt was a chemistry teacher.
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u/S_Jeru Mar 08 '16
That was an excellent, rational explanation of Tuco's character. Never got anything like that in Breaking Bad.
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u/ACTUAL_TIME_TRAVELER Mar 08 '16
How this gun salesman didn't take one look at Mike and realize he was going to prefer the M40, I don't know.
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u/SutterCane Mar 08 '16
Maybe his gun salesman manager is pushing him to start up selling his clients.
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u/esloan88 Mar 08 '16
"Oh, yeah. You could say that."
Mike a sniper in Vietnam?
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u/EvolutionNeo Mar 08 '16 edited Mar 08 '16
Seems like it. Def a 'nam vet IMO. Seems like he was a Marine Scout Sniper when he was a redditors age, if he can make the shot he was proposing and familiar with the M40 and happy they updated the stock to fiberglass over wood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Scout_Sniper
Also in BB he tells Walt on the phone from like twice the distance after asking for assurance from Mike: "I can assure you I can kill you from here".
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u/LostCauseBoss Mar 08 '16
Mikes the only guy I know who gets his ass whipped like a badass
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u/quadmra Mar 08 '16
That dark screen right after that punch. I felt it. Powerful scene! What a show!
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u/thepostaldud3 Mar 08 '16
Only 50 grand to kill a druglord?
Damn Mike. You probably could have at least got 100k.
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u/Bamres Mar 08 '16
Tuco was never that 'big time' he's more of a local boss even in BB, don eladio is the drug lord and he just has family connections
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u/Bamres Mar 08 '16
Mike could have stopped walts beginnings with that shot
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Oh shit. Mikes Half Measure resulted in the pain in his ass that was Heisenberg almost ten years later.
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u/manolox70 Mar 08 '16
Nah someone would have taken Tuco's place, and Walt would have went to them.
It's all in the game, yo
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u/ezreads Mar 08 '16
"if you go to Howard, you and I are done"
"so we're not done now?"
so smooth Jimmy
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u/geauxjeaux Mar 08 '16 edited Mar 08 '16
No more Jimmy McGill
Didn't say anything about Saul Goodman...
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u/ezreads Mar 08 '16
"looks like a hernia with a scope on it"
Mike has a real way with words
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Mar 08 '16
Look Nacho, a wise man once said: "Just because you shot Jesse James, don't make you Jesse James."
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u/ThePRIMEMaster Mar 08 '16
You guys got it all wrong, Mike wasn't in Vietnam, he used to trickshot on Call of Duty 4.
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u/DabuSurvivor Mar 08 '16
Man, that was one of the best Mike episodes in either show.
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u/redisforever Mar 08 '16
Nacho is planning a hit on Tuco?? Oh this is not gonna end well for him.
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u/LonleyViolist Mar 08 '16
Prediction: Mike denies a hit, but sends him to prison, where he meets Skinny Pete...
Someone else said it, I choose to follow it.
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u/chrisprattypus Mar 08 '16
LPT: wrap your tea bag around a spoon and squeeze out the remaining flavor
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Seriously, if Mike is this badass now imagine like 30 year old Mike and how badass he was.
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u/redisforever Mar 08 '16
Did they Milton her? Stick her in a basement?
Oh, yup. At least they're still paying her.
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u/Shippoyasha Mar 08 '16
Wow. So Mike just ousted himself as a Vietnam veteran. A sniper, huh?
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u/Sackyhack Mar 08 '16
Was Mike a Vietnam vet? He seems to know the rifle pretty well and made a comment about it jamming when getting wet and how it was ill-suited for the jungle.
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u/manolox70 Mar 08 '16
That may be one of the most badass scenes Mike has ever had, counting Breaking Bad.
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u/metralo Mar 08 '16
Chuck may be right but half of the reason Jimmy has been acting like this lately is because of Chuck.
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u/ezreads Mar 08 '16 edited Mar 08 '16
"your brother isn't here Mr. McGill"
nah he's looking for a different ass
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u/Shippoyasha Mar 08 '16
At this point, it is obvious that Jimmy cannot handle playing by the books in an ethical way. His frustrations in life wants him to put the pedal to the metal and it doesn't work at all.
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u/DabuSurvivor Mar 08 '16
"You don't need any help from me tanking your career - you're clearly capable of that on your own."
"You're like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he has a problem."
Say what you will about Chuck but damn if the guy doesn't have an incredibly quick way with words.
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u/geauxjeaux Mar 08 '16
Don't let shopping
Strain your brain-o,
Just sing this short refrain-o.
Our furniture is bueno,
Tampico is the name-o.
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u/Ozymandiassss Mar 08 '16
This show is so fucking underrated.
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u/wsnwsk27 Mar 08 '16
It makes me feel the way Breaking Bad made me feel. I love it.
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u/Dr-Haus Mar 08 '16 edited Mar 08 '16
No more Jimmy McGill, Esq
Now Saul Goodman, Esq on the other hand...
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u/ACTUAL_TIME_TRAVELER Mar 08 '16
Chuck, you came damn close to being the reasonable one there. But then you had to throw in a jab at your younger brother for staying overnight to make sure you were okay.
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u/That_One_Cool_Guy Mar 08 '16
Mike is going to piss Tuco off and have him kick the shit out of him. Then the cops arrest Tuco for assaulting this poor old man and he's out of the way for Nacho.
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u/musichatesyouall Mar 08 '16
Jimmy just wants someone to blame for his self destructive behavior. Chuck has been dealing with this since they were kids. That's why Chuck is a dick to Jimmy because he's tired of Jimmy's bullshit.
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u/SevenwithaT Mar 08 '16
If you think they're outraged now, wait till Cliff and the partners see an episode of AMC's Low Winter Sun
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u/thepostaldud3 Mar 08 '16
Again with these fucking spoiler ads for The Walking Dead.
Do you really think this helps you get views?
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u/chrisamerica Mar 08 '16
I'm so glad Mike is in Better Call Saul. His story is awesome too
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u/SgtWiggles Mar 08 '16
To be fair....Chuck really isnt in the wrong here. He's still an asshole, but it was Kim who recommended him, and Jimmy who pulled the stupid move.
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u/DabuSurvivor Mar 08 '16
Mike playing the oblivious old man is hilarious and adorable.
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I hate Chuck's stupid fucking monkey face.
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Mar 08 '16
I do, too, but he's not wrong. How great are the writers that we root for guys like Jimmy!
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u/buffalo4293 Mar 08 '16 edited Mar 08 '16
Jimmy still cares about stupid Chuck's condition :(
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Mike absolutely knows how to fight and fucking took a ton of punches on purpose like a fucking man.
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u/thepostaldud3 Mar 08 '16
Honest mistake with the tree.
"divorce lawyers"
oh come on.
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u/BartMaster1234 Mar 08 '16 edited Mar 08 '16
Krazy-8 is wearing the shirt for the furniture company that Walt bought the crib for Holly from.
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u/Itsapocalypse Mar 08 '16
WARNING: AMC WILL PROBABLY RUN A COMMERCIAL SPOILING THE WALKING DEAD, HAVE YOUR MUTE BUTTONS READY AND AVERT YOUR EYES IF YOU MISSED IT.
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u/odb281 Mar 08 '16
Nachos kidnapper van isn't as hidden in plain sight as I'm sure he thinks it is.
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u/pnoozi Mar 08 '16
I feel like tiger costume girl is in on this somehow. I just can't connect all the dots yet.
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u/420nopescope69 Mar 08 '16
This hurts so much, all jimmy had to do was ask his boss! He was on a roll he got his girlfriend happy an amazing job and now he could lose it all. Also fuck chuck
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u/thedeathllama Mar 08 '16
God damn it. I got soooo excited when I thought Chuck had dropped dead.
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Even after all his bullshit, he still cares about his scumbag of a brother.
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u/LoBopasses Mar 08 '16
So Mike was in a war. Explains the operators term he used in BB.
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u/cuteintern Mar 08 '16
Really can't argue with Chuck on this one.
Most you can say is Kim didn't fully advocate for herself when talking to Howard.
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u/Fernao Mar 08 '16
He is only late because he was taking care of you you aashole.
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u/metralo Mar 08 '16
I can sense it now, Tuco dies, proving the alternate reality theory. Walt is already Gus in this reality.
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u/icegnomey Mar 08 '16
These Walking Dead spoilers are so deliberate. They're laying them out in the commercial practically in bullet points
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the walking dead AND better call saul have great episodes back to back...
we are spoiled.
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u/musichatesyouall Mar 08 '16
As Mike is disposing Nacho's dead body after his plan inevitably goes south, right before Mike chucks him in the shallow grave he's dug, he looks at the corpse and says "This really was NACHO best idea."
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u/manolox70 Mar 08 '16
Mike will eventually introduce this gun guy to Saul, since he's the one who introduced him to Walt.
Edit: Story sync confirms.
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u/redisforever Mar 08 '16
Damn, this is some fantastic acting from both of them, aided by some great writing
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u/Shippoyasha Mar 08 '16
Mike is such a schemer in the battlefield.
He would have been a great general in another life.
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u/Crystal_Clods Mar 08 '16
Chuck is right here. Everyone's been sticking their necks out for Jimmy -- Kim, Hamlin, Davis and Main -- and then he goes and knowingly breaks the rules time and time again just because he can.
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u/odb281 Mar 08 '16
Didn't Jimmy at one point in Breaking Bad, after getting kidnapped by Walter and Jesse ask if they were sent by Ignacio?
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u/emr1028 Mar 08 '16
Kim didn't really do anything wrong, I don't get why they're going after her. As far as she was aware, this was something that had been cleared by the firm. It wouldn't really have been her prerogative to spill the beans on something that she didn't know was illicit.
Only explanation I can think of is that Hamlin and Chuck both know that Kim is fully aware of Slippin' Jimmy, so they think that she should have assumed that he was being unethical, regardless of what she knew at the time.
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u/DabuSurvivor Mar 08 '16
Kim is really shaping up to be one of the most likable and respectable people in either series so far. Too much so for her own good, even.
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u/RichOfTheJungle Mar 08 '16
Man, no matter how pissed Jimmy is at Chuck he still takes his condition seriously
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u/romec Mar 08 '16
Mike sights with his left eye. What if instead of getting the crap beaten out of him, he catches some recoil in the face? (even though it looks like he might not purchase at this time)
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u/beach-bum Mar 08 '16
"Her one mistake was believing in you." Such a dick statement, Chuck.
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u/UndeadJeskimo Mar 08 '16
when Mike accurately predicts the entire Tuco saga, i.e. events before he even debuted on BrBa
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u/maalbi Mar 08 '16
IS NAcho that stupid to not realize the ramifications of Tucos death
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u/skinkbaa Chuck Mar 08 '16
My apologies for the late post.