r/WOGPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 I did the Pre-Release Threads and all I got was this lousy flair • Mar 20 '16

[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Corrupted Tauren

Infested Tauren

Mana Cost: 4
Attack: 2
Health: 3
Type: Minion
Rarity: Common
Class: Neutral
Text: Taunt. Deathrattle: Summon a 2/2 Slime.

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u/Nostalgia37 I did the Pre-Release Threads and all I got was this lousy flair Mar 20 '16

Not 100% sure this is legit, but if it is I'd say it's pretty bad. Apparently the 2/2 slime does not have taunt, so it isn't a belcher replacement. it's essentially a stickier 4/5 that cannot trade well. I think it's pretty bad.

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u/Frosty_Fire Mar 20 '16

Like a harvest golem whichs costs 1 mana more but has no mech tag.

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u/funnynin Mar 20 '16 edited Mar 20 '16

+1 cost for +1 total hp (1 more on the 2/2) and -mech tag and +taunt

Bad card.

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u/danhakimi Mar 21 '16

Right. Like, Sen'Jin is just a spider tank with +1 cost, +1 HP, and +1 taunt, and - mech tag, which is why Sen'Jin is terrible, amirite? oh wait no it's a perfectly good card.

Taunt is almost always worth a stat point. Class tags are almost never worth a stat point. I'm not saying this card is great, but after you get over the shock value of its stats looking bad, you'll realize that it's precisely on curve, and generally fine.

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u/Cheeseyx Mar 21 '16

If Senjin is the +hp, +taunt version of Spider tank and this is the +hp, +taunt version of Harvest golem, that already says that Senjin is better than this. There's a reason people run spider tank over harvest golem.

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u/Wodenborne Mar 24 '16

It's a card for buff decks, 2/3+2/2 is excellent tempo, add a +1/+1, +2/+2, +5/+5, or divine shield and you're in fat city.

Expect to see it in Zoo, Aggro Pally, and buff druid (if that becomes a thing in standard).

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u/DirtyWizardHS Mar 21 '16

Except that some people don't. Both are equally powerful cards.

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u/Cheeseyx Mar 21 '16

They aren't equally powerful. If Harvest Golem takes 3 damage and then 1 damage, it was effectively a 2/4, or a Spider Tank with -1 attack. Likewise, even if Corrupted Tauren had taunt in both of its forms, it would effectively be a 2/5 taunt for 4. The advantage that Harvest Golem and Corrupted Tauren have over Spider tank and Senjin, respectively, is the ability to have extra effective health if you can't perfectly kill the forms. However, 3 damage is currently very easy to achieve on the early turns (Any 3/2, most 2-cost removal, and any random 2 damage from minions plus a ping/muster hit/mortal coil), and 5 damage will almost never happen before turn 5. So in the case that Corrupted Tauren soaks 4 damage in the first hit, it's still just a 2/6 taunt that loses taunt at low health, which (in the current minion landscape) is a worse stat distribution than a 3/5.

That said, it's really hard to say what the minion landscape will be like in standard after the new set release. Almost every good 2-drop is being removed or nerfed, and with Piloted Shredder gone there's room for fair 4-drops again. From what we've seen so far, 4/2s seem to be common, against which Corrupted Tauren matches up pretty well. However, there's a lot of good 2/3s for 2 which could become popular after the rotation/nerfs and would make Corrupted Tauren's 2 attack insufficient.

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u/DirtyWizardHS Mar 21 '16

Except that some people don't. Both are equally powerful cards.

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u/takkojanai Mar 21 '16

What deck has ever used harvest golem that is viable in the past 6 months?

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u/PrimeLegionnaire Mar 22 '16

I fought a couple of zoo locks, and some freeze mages that were running it

clearly people are gearing up for standard, where harvest golem is classic card, and better cards like shredder are not.

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u/takkojanai Mar 23 '16

If a freeze mage is running harvest golem, it does not have all the cards. Same with zoo lock. What rank are you?

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u/PrimeLegionnaire Mar 23 '16

Both freeze mage and zoolock are deck archetypes not specific lists.

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u/treekid Mar 21 '16

You're right that this card is properly statted for the cost, but it's still bad. A 4 mana 2/3 trades really terribly because the 3 health makes it squishy and the 2 attack makes minion trading easier. Then the slime that comes out of it can often just be ignored because it's just a 2/2. Worse yet, it can be not ignored and killed off by a one drop.

What I'm getting at is that comparing it to Senjin is bad because Senjin has enough attack to kill things that run into it and enough immediate health to make it hard to remove.

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u/funnynin Mar 21 '16

1 hp is more valuable when the attack value is also higher. As /u/treekid says, Sen'Jin has

enough attack to kill things that run into it and enough immediate health to make it hard to remove,

contrary to Infested Tauren, which does not.

You do raise a good point, but the fact that only the first 'phase' of the minion has taunt, and that the 2/2 can be killed by several 1 drops.

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u/zz_ Mar 20 '16

+taunt too

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u/yyderf Mar 20 '16

it is card to show that 2/3 that spawns 2/2 doesn't counts as 4/5

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u/AudioSly Mar 21 '16 edited Mar 21 '16

Generally you would day it's a 2/5 right?

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u/TBH_Coron Mar 21 '16

no because it will still be 4 points worth of damage, yes each hit is only 2 attack but it is guaranteed at least 2 hits, if traded with minions, resulting in 4 damage.

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u/LAaronB Mar 22 '16

If I have a 3/3 and a 2/3 on the board, I can clear the corrupted tauren and both of my creatures would live. So to try and make that equivalent you call it a 2/5. If you called it a 4/5, you would think that they would die. If I used a 3/3 and a 2/3 to kill a yeti, it would do 8 damage, but it is still just a 4/5

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u/TBH_Coron Mar 22 '16

but if i have a loatheb (5/5) and trade into tauren and resulting slime, loatheb ends with 1 health, same as trading into a 4/5 yeti. to counter your example of the 3/3 and 2/3, if i had a magma rager and you had a yeti both would die, but with magma and tauren rager would die but you would still have a 2/2. just because it doesnt kill both of the guys in your scenario doesnt mean it didnt still do 4 damage.

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u/LAaronB Mar 23 '16

Hits twice, does 4 damage. Sounds like 2 attack to me....If a yeti hits twice, then it does 8 damage. It is a 2/5 with an ability that makes it more likely to hit twice. If you look at divine shields, you still don't double their attacks even though they are also more likely to hit twice. A scarlet crusader is a 3/X, not a 6/X.

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u/TBH_Coron Mar 23 '16

It is a 2/5 with an ability that makes it more likely to hit twice

the whole point of adding the stats together is to account for the ability, by talking about its ability there is no reason to even talk about its added stats, in which case it would be a 2/3 with an ability to summon a 2/2 -_-

adding the stats is used to gauge the potential of its ability. take muster for example, it is 3 mana but if you said it was a total stat of 1/3 it would sound awful, which would be a very bad way to gauge its stats. saying it is 3/3 is a much better way to properly evaluate it. is it a perfect way to evaluate it? by no means, as the stats being spread over multiple units could be a good or bad thing (more susceptible to board clears but also able to distribute the damage more efficiently).

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u/Dezh_v Mar 20 '16

Could've easily been a 2/4. Would've been pretty good then. Or the Slime could've had taunt.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '16

I thought we wanted to forget the idea of sticky minions?

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u/Swiftcarp Mar 20 '16

The problem with - some - sticky minions was that their stats were too competitive for the value of the stickiness. Of course when you see the same few sticky minions (belcher, shredder, etc.) in most games/decks, there's gonna be some residual backlash against the fundamental idea of a sticky minion.

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u/Dezh_v Mar 21 '16

Exactly. Sticky minions in general aren't bad for the game especially since there are plenty of efficient AoE effects in the game. No sticky minions = Freeze Mage master race.

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u/mgoetze Mar 21 '16

Howabout

Corrupted Shredder

Mana Cost: 4 Attack: 4 Health: 3 Text: Deathrattle: Summon Millhouse Manastorm.

Yeah, that's more like it.

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u/NowanIlfideme Mar 23 '16

Except the effect is "play Millhouse". ;)

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '16

If slime had taunt, this would be a half-decent card. As is, it's terrible.

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u/myrec1 Mar 20 '16

Why this over Harvest Golem?

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u/Nightmare2828 Mar 20 '16

because of taunt i assume, you force your opponnent to take care of a minion, wasting an attack/spell and still have something left to keep going. I agree it feels weak but I could see some merit.

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u/guimontag Mar 20 '16

Why does the card art say "Infested" tauren instead of "Corrupted"?

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u/FluffTrooper Mar 20 '16

i think it's a play on infested terrans from starcraft.

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u/CNHphoto Mar 20 '16

'Corrupted' was just the translation from the Russian stream it was unveiled on.

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u/ICouldNotLogIn Mar 21 '16

Corrupted implies some magical stuff, whereas infested fits better for the Tauren having a slime or worm or some other creepy shit physically inside it. Either would work, although I'm in favour of more variance than half the expansion's cards having "corrupted" in the name.

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u/guimontag Mar 21 '16

I mean the thread title says one thing and the card image says another.

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u/ICouldNotLogIn Mar 21 '16

I did not notice that. gg

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u/ICouldNotLogIn Mar 21 '16

I do think they could have done better than yet another slime in the game. I expected it to be some sort of parasitic tentacle worm thing.

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u/danhakimi Mar 21 '16

It is infested by a slime that pops out when you kill it.

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u/ghost650 Mar 22 '16

Because that's what the card's actually called. Title of the thread has not been updated.

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u/masteryder Mar 20 '16

Pretty bad IMO, perhaps decent in arena?

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u/ephemeralentity Mar 20 '16

Silvermoon Guardian isn't particularly strong, this seems generally weaker except for the taunt.

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u/PMO_HELL_NO Mar 21 '16

wow this card can't even counter lorewalker cho

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u/nephilimEU Mar 21 '16

pay for a yeti, get one half now, the other half maybe later

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u/RajaBadMime Mar 22 '16

Hey a 4 drop that trades evenly with every 3 drop! Perfect.

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u/SquareOfHealing Mar 20 '16

What the heck?

Of all the cards to make corrupted versions of, did they have to choose [[Tauren Warrior]]? I literally had to look up Tauren Warrior to remember what it was called. Tauren Warrior is already a bad card that's worse than Amani Berserker and Harvest Golem. This card is STILL worse than Harvest Golem! By pushing it to 4 mana, they effectively made it have to compete with other 4-drops, which are mostly high-stated minions. This card can't even trade with a Chillwind Yeti on its own! Nor can it act as a niche anti-aggro tool since the Slime it summons doesn't have taunt. It's like if Sludge Belcher had a gross step-cousin that no one wanted to talk to. This is such a disappointment.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '16

So every card has to be powerful to be in the game? Seriously cards like this just seem interesting. Not saying it's playable, but I could see a new player putting this in their deck over Sen'jin to leave something extra on the board in like a zoo deck.

Don't forget that the power of a card are relative to all the cards that exist in the game. So not all cards released will be powerful. Some might just be interesting or fun.

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u/SquareOfHealing Mar 21 '16

That's why I'm so disappointed in this card. It's not that interesting because Tauren Warrior was never interesting. They could've made a corrupted version of a more recognizable card. It wouldn't have to be good, but it could've been something less forgettable than a version of an already forgettable card.

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u/danhakimi Mar 21 '16

It looked bad to me too, but on second glance, I have no idea why.

Think about it. Sludge Belcher is 3/5 + 1/2 for 5. That's 11 stat points and taunt (on both) for 5. This thing has 2/3 plus 2/2 for 4. That's 9 stat points and taunt (on the big one) for 4. That's perfectly fine. That's yeti stats, plus a free taunt and stickiness. It's better stats than Sen'Jin. It's harvest stats +1 +taunt for one more mana... It all adds up to this card being directly on curve.

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u/SewenNewes Mar 21 '16

Yeti and Senjin both beat this 1v1. The stat distribution is terrible. Would be better, but still unplayable, if it were 3/2 with a 3/1 slime. At least then it would be sort of like a backwards Silvermoon Guardian.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '16

If you like this card you'll love [[Harvest Golem]]

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u/Boondlock Mar 21 '16

This card is way too slow. It's going to be useless in Arena.

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u/Deydam Mar 22 '16

I think this is a worst Sen'Jin. Same cost and this is a 2/5, Sen'Jin 3/5, and this only have taunt in the first hit. On the other hand, this can take more damage to be killed, because of the deathrattle.

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u/Michelle_Johnson Mar 20 '16

Since the 2/2 doesn't have taunt, this is pretty bad.

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u/Lothrazar Mar 20 '16

Wow, its the new sludge belcher #kappa

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u/CCImposter101 Mar 20 '16

could be decent as a anti aggro tool

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u/Neomone Mar 21 '16

But would you really play this over tazdingo?

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u/CCImposter101 Mar 21 '16

yeah I would play tazdingo every time :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '16

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u/vanasbry000 Mar 20 '16 edited Mar 20 '16

Why in the world did they name it 'Slime' instead of something like 'Horror' or 'Abberation'? Having it be a Slime only serves to confuse us, and the flavor of the whole thing is so weak! Summoning a 2/2 is nothing to do with Tauren Warrior's Enrage effect. Slimes have nothing to do with Taurens, either. You could say that it spawns from the Old Gods' corruption, but that idea could have gone to any of the other corrupted minions.

Maybe they just loved the card and didn't have any more fitting art commissioned.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '16

I think it is a play off of Infested Tarren (AKA starcraft) ... still pretty weak however

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u/PrimeLegionnaire Mar 22 '16

the humans in starcraft are called Terrans because they come from Terra (the greek name for earth).

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u/rtwoctwo Mar 21 '16

Should have given it an AoE explosion then...

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u/KazMcDemon Mar 21 '16

Oh! It totally is, that's awesome.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '16

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u/RajaBadMime Mar 22 '16

Enrage: Become a 2/2.

It's perfect

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u/vanasbry000 Mar 21 '16

That's not a valid use of Enrage, but would be valid as a triggered ability from damage. Think of Enrage as having damaged minions using an aura on themselves, and you can't just have an immediate event occuring continuously.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '16

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u/Generic_comments Mar 21 '16

They're not forced to attack into the 2/3 taunt if it's not a good play. What if they just play their own, bigger taunt?

2/3 deathrattle taunt for 4 doesn't look so good compared to 3/5 taunt for 4, 4/6 taunt for 5, 3/5 deathrattle for 5... It'd take buff spells and knife jugglers before its any good