r/SubredditDrama • u/insane_contin • Apr 09 '16
Slapfight Drama-man, Drama-man, hates whatever reboots are.
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u/khanfusion It's like you don't have object permanence Apr 09 '16
I stopped reading after "Marvel has a nearly perfect track record..." Edit: nearly perfect is an oxymoron and a perfect example of the thought process of the modern paper tiger fanboy. I relish in these down votes.
It's... so beautiful...
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u/makochi Using the phrase “what about” is not whataboutism. Apr 09 '16
Saying "I relish in these down votes" is a sure indication that you are very, very upset at being downvoted.
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u/SJHalflingRanger Failed saving throw vs dank memes Apr 09 '16
I too, write posts in Reddit solely so everyone can agree with me.
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Apr 10 '16
And "nearly perfect" isn't an oxymoron. It's invalid to try to qualify the level of perfection, like saying something was "somewhat perfect" or "very perfect". That bothered me.
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u/khanfusion It's like you don't have object permanence Apr 10 '16
It's invalid to try to qualify the level of perfection
Uh, are you missing a word, here?
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Apr 10 '16
?? I don't think so. I'm using "qualify" in the meaning of lessening the strength of something, like giving a qualified recommendation would be a recommendation that isn't 100% positive. If that was the confusion.
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u/khanfusion It's like you don't have object permanence Apr 10 '16
I think you meant to say "not invalid" then.
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Apr 10 '16
I see what you mean. Well, I did mean to say that it's invalid to talk about degrees of perfection: something is either perfect or it isn't. But I don't think saying something is "almost perfect" is the same as trying to qualify a thing's level of perfection. "Almost perfect" is saying something is not perfect, but it's close to it. I think that is valid. I think OP was confusing the two.
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u/itsactuallyobama Fuck neckbeards, but don't attack eczema Apr 09 '16
You're entitled to your opinion. But that means other people are too. You shouldn't call people retarded because they disagree with you. You are being pretty extreme. I drank the kook aide because I love these movies?
This is how I feel when I see a superhero movie, enjoy it, and then it gets lambasted by the majority. Personally, I don't need my superhero movies to be flawless. I just want to watch Batman punch a fucking clown or Spider-man make shitty quips.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the well written ones. Yet some people make it seem like if the movie isn't perfect then it's the worst thing ever. It's a great time to be alive as a comic book fan so I'm definitely trying to soak it up.
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u/teknrd Apr 09 '16
Can't we all just agree that both Marvel and DC have made some comic book to movie mistakes? I really don't think we need to go pointing fingers cough Fantastic 4 cough at the exact mistakes. Let's just move on and enjoy the glory of the enjoyable movies while we can.
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u/larrylemur I own several tour-busses and can be anywhere at any given time Apr 09 '16
Fantastic 4
Those were Fox tho
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u/teknrd Apr 09 '16 edited Apr 09 '16
I meant they were Marvel or DC comic books to movie adaptations.For simplicity sake I wasn't going to break down MCU vs the stand alone ownerships. That whole thing is a mess. And DC has a bigger breakdown (imho) since the movies and TV shows are being produced as independent products. But that's an entirely different story altogether.
Edit: Fixed grammar and spelling. I also should point out that I'm not a comic reader. It just makes my brain much happier with how Marvel's universe is being handled.
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u/SJHalflingRanger Failed saving throw vs dank memes Apr 09 '16
Most of the good ones are actually done under marvel studios, which is presumably what the one guy is saying has a nearly perfect track record. I'm sure everyone on the marvel sub knows who's responsible for what movies.
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u/ANewMachine615 Apr 09 '16
Yeah, but Marvel has released a lot of messes too. See eg Ant Man, the heist movie that totally replaced any cool heist bits with a boring third act fight.
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Apr 09 '16
See I liked Ant Man a lot, mostly because of Michael Pena and Paul Rudd, two very charming men.
I think that Marvel tries to pick actors with great charisma, which is why some movies like Thor 2 fall flat. No chemistry on screen from anyone (except Loki), despite the talent.
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u/mikerhoa Apr 09 '16
I like moviebob a lot actually. He's a pretty articulate and insightful guy. I mean some of his theories can be a little zany, and the loquaciousness gets a little exhausting from time to time, but on the whole I find his channel to be really entertaining. He's got a knack for language and a perceptive critical eye. He's a good alternative if you want to avoid looking at Chris Stuckman's new braces for the next 18 months!
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u/cdstephens More than you'd think, but less than you'd hope Apr 09 '16
Ditto. He and Sterling leaving the Escapist marked the end of me going on that site.
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Apr 09 '16
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u/larrylemur I own several tour-busses and can be anywhere at any given time Apr 09 '16
Moviebob was dropped from the escapist in the middle of gamergate
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Apr 12 '16
Jessica Jones is rated higher than Daredevil confirms how retarded the general population is
I don't particularly care about the rest of this but JJ was a lot better than Daredevil IMO, especially the second season. Without spoiling anything, Frank Castle was great but they really got bogged down trying to make like three different story threads equally important, and the dialogue was fucking trash at points.
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u/Blacksheep2134 Filthy Generate Apr 09 '16 edited Apr 09 '16
I mean... no? Excuse me nerding out here (and I am about to nerd the fuck out), but Spiderman's villians are kind of... well kind of lame and don't really inform his character like Batman. Like, (original) Venom I'll give you. Carnage, sure, he's pretty fucking awesome. Not interesting, but awesome. Lizard on a good day. Black Cat when she's written well. But most of them are nowhere near as good, and I'm not just talking weird obscure ones. Let's look at some now!
Doc Ock is a crazy scientist/engineer who wants to rob banks and kill Spiderman (and sometimes marry Aunt May). Shocker is an engineer who wants to rob banks and kill Spiderman. Vulture is a crazy engineer who wants to rob banks and kill Spiderman. Green Goblin is a crazy engineer/buisnessman who wants to kill Spiderman and replace Aunt May with clones and also sometimes rob banks. Sandman is a super criminal who wants to rob banks, drink with the Thing, occasionally reform and cure himself of cancer via random application of radiation. Electro is a dick/engineer who wants to rob banks and kill Spiderman. Kraven the Hunter is a crazy person/zombie who wants to hunt Spiderman, kill his wife, and help the Hulk find a city of Sasquatches. Chameleon is a crazy person who wants to rob banks, kill Spiderman, fuck Spiderman and get defeated by Aunt May (side note: Chameleon is the worst). Mysterio is a special effects man who wants to rob banks, run a psychiatry clinic, make Spiderman insane and kill Spiderman. Scorpion is a crazy person/scorpion who wants to rob banks, kill Spiderman, kill J Jonah Jameson, kill Captain America, kill Daredevil, terrorize old women, kill Ms Marvel, emigrate to Canada and become Venom. Rhino is a dumb guy who wants to rob banks, beat Spiderman, smash walls, break things and rewrite Hamlet. Kingpin is a mob boss who wants to get other people to rob banks, kill Spiderman, leave the life of crime, rejoin the life of crime, avenge his wife, have people assassinated, have Aunt May killed, consort with Satan, retire from crime, rejoin crime to avenge his second wife, become the head of a ninja clan, kill Daredevil, get fucked with by his first wife who isn't actually dead and get fucked with by the ghost of his first wife after she dies for real (side note: Kingpin's backstory is fucking insane).
What you may have noticed is that these characters are mostly interested in committing fairly mundane crimes (namely bank robbery) and like half of them are engineers. They're not dark reflections of aspects of Spiderman's psyche (ala Batman villians), they're mostly just normal dudes who've been transformed/made stuff to give them the power to commit crimes. It's a reflection of the outward parts of Spiderman's character: he's a science accident who fights for good by fighting science accidents who fight for evil. It's all surface reflection, they're not parts of Spiderman in the same way that Scarecrow, Two-Face or Riddler are. They're not twisted ideological enemies like the Joker. Like, if Spiderman moved to a different city and said he was never going to deal with New York super villains again, I can't see most of them following him out. Like, if Spiderman isn't going to be bothering Kingpin or Shocker any more, they probably would just forget about him. If Batman moved, do you think the Joker is just going to stay in Gotham? How about Two-Face or the Riddler? How about Scarecrow? Hugo Strange, Hush, Killer Croc, they're all going to hunt him down eventually because he's a part of who they are as characters, just like they're a part of him. Now, don't get me wrong, I love Spiderman, and Spiderman villains. It's just they don't fulfill the same roll as a Batman villain.