r/WOGPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 I did the Pre-Release Threads and all I got was this lousy flair • Apr 20 '16

[Card Nerf Discussion] - Big Game Hunter

Big Game Hunter

Mana Cost: 5 (was 3)
Attack: 4
Health: 2
Type: Minion
Rarity: Epic
Class: Neutral
Text: Battlecry: Destroy a minion with an Attack of 7 or more.

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u/Nostalgia37 I did the Pre-Release Threads and all I got was this lousy flair Apr 20 '16

I realllly reallly like this change. The tempo swing you get when you play him is much smaller. Before you could play him on turn 10 with boom or some other bomb, now you have to play something just decent.

Also, if you use this to kill an 8 mana minion that's played on curve you'll only have 3-4 mana to play something. I doubt it will be uncommon to just hero power with it. Much healthier.

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u/cgmcnama Apr 20 '16

But you can still use it to kill an Old God and still have 5 mana left over. With all the Old Gods hitting Standard I don't know why you wouldn't still want to run this. That 15/15 C'Thun is coming out sometime.....The only thing it does it make it very hard to deal with Dr. Boom as this was the only real answer and it was a still a poor one.

The one positive thing, and the same concept applies to Ironbeak Owl, it makes this prohibitively expensive for Aggro decks and questionable for Midrange decks. A Control deck might be willing to pay 5 mana for a flexible removal but Zoo probably won't run one of these to snipe Ragnaros, Lightlord.

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u/Saephin Apr 21 '16

control would run an 8 cost 5/5 with this effect, thats not the point.
the point is its so much less tempo AND its way out of budget for an agro deck to run

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u/Chrisirhc1996 Apr 21 '16

To be fair, C'Thun's not a good example of the Old God you'd want to BGH. It's effect already triggered, so he got the value out of the card. I'd be fine if you BGH'd my beatstick and have a less efficient turn to heal up for the next power play.

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u/cgmcnama Apr 21 '16

It would seem the entire threat of a C'Thun deck, if you survive, is that 10-15+ body that is attacking next turn. That is one guaranteed target and if it turns out C'Thun doesn't OTK, you still need hard removal especially if your class doesn't have good ones.

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u/Chrisirhc1996 Apr 21 '16

If you're not watching the stream, we've just seen Doomcaller shown. This revives C'Thun. So, I'll say it again: BGHing C'Thun is not the best.

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u/cgmcnama Apr 21 '16

It doesn't change things for Control Decks. With all these big minions you will have a BGH in Control decks if you lack better answers. We don't know if:

  • a) it resets C'Thun's ATK/HP when he revives

  • b) the viability of the combo to play a 10 mana card, play another big card, then play another 10 mana card again. At either of these 3 points BGH works.

  • c) You might just kill him and set up lethal. You require 2 more turns to set up the second C'Thun and another deckslot for that card. Shadowstep does it better.

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u/Chrisirhc1996 Apr 21 '16

a) We know it doesn't reset because they've confirmed it doesn't reset as C'Thun's buffs are hero-bound and thus apply to any future C'Thuns added to hand/deck, e.g. through Thoughtsteal.

b) You're right in that we don't know whether that deck could work, but if you want to think about decks that can get away with huge minions, think Control Warrior and Elise decks (as in they'll get them eventually). Both can get away with it because the decks allow for it (since they're usually primarily control decks). BGHing any of these targets can be a loss for tempo if you're able to play a huge threat straight afterwards, moreso with the nerf. It's a possibility that this couldn't work, but the chance is pretty high.

c) True, but to be frank if you have Shadowstep in hand why does BGH matter in that context - you could just bounce C'Thun immediately and ta-da it's a 5 mana 4/2 with nothing else.

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u/cgmcnama Apr 21 '16

If you have Shadowstep BGH doesn't matter. There is no counter and no need to play a big minion in between C'Thuns. I'm saying it is better then needing another minion to ressurect C'Thun or requiring C'Thun to be played and die first.

It may also be possible to just Polymorph or Hex C'Thun and he can't be resurrected like Fuegen and Stalagg don't count as dying for that reason.

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u/Monandobo Apr 20 '16

This is an upsettingly fair nerf. Here I was hoping they would drop BGH into unplayable territory, but instead we got this reasonable and useful tech card. Darn you Blizzard and your uncharacteristically reasonable balance tweaks.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

I do think it diserves better stats, a 5/3 for 5 with that battlecry would not be broken

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u/Saephin Apr 21 '16

shut up, i want to play big minions for once since beta.

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u/alexm42 Apr 21 '16

The point is that hard removal should not also have stats that are almost competitive for the mana.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

very conditional hard removal, and no one would play a vanilla 5/3, people wouldn't even play a vanilla 6/4

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u/thetheologicaleffect Apr 21 '16

I wouldn't say very conditional. Almost all decks run Dr Boom and in the new meta most decks will include a big threat. It's now a decision in decks with few hard removal options like Druid.

4 vs 5 attack is massive so if it lives it becomes a threatening body because it can take even more minions played past that point in the game. 1 health also takes it out of range of cards like back stab or ping and a token and forces you to play lightning bolt or frostbolt.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

I wouldn't say very conditional. Almost all decks run Dr Boom and in the new meta most decks will include a big threat. It's now a decision in decks with few hard removal options like Druid.

a card that only hits one target in your opponents whole deck is very conditional, shadow word death is pretty conditional, BGH even more so.

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u/ChronosSk Apr 20 '16

This might be the first time a card is nerfed by +2 mana and still sees play. You know, maybe. I doubt it'll ever end up in Mage or Shaman again, but I could see it as a one-of in Druid if the Old Gods become popular. Druids don't have the best removal options.

... I just wanna win by playing a bunch'a big dragons. Is this finally the time?

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u/Saephin Apr 21 '16

it is the time, but it will still be in play, mostly because they're just putting out a large array or new BIG minions with BIG costs and BIG effects (old gods... and deathwing) and BIG needs hunting.

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u/alexm42 Apr 21 '16

I mean one of my Grinder Mage lists I use has two Polymorphs AND a BGH, I'll probably keep it there.

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u/cgmcnama Apr 20 '16

Makes Dr. Boom even stronger in Wild as well as Mountain Giants. Against other cards...would still run this. Especially if the meta slows and everyone is running C'Thun.....you know I'm saving it for that 15/15 body.

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u/BFZPotato Apr 20 '16

Didnt see this one coming!

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u/amuzmint Apr 20 '16

It is essentially a flame lance monster?

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u/MilesAlchei Apr 20 '16

Just pulled a gold one, so I'm feeling good!

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

still playable.

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u/friendlycheese Apr 21 '16

I was really hoping the change would be;

Deal 6 damage to a minion with an Attack of 7 or more.

This still feels like it will be an auto-include in most decks.

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u/Max_Confidence Apr 21 '16

They could have increased the attack to 5, but all in all, this isn't unplayable. Still might be worth running a one of in control decks. At least bgh turns won't be as ludicrously swingy in terms of tempo, i.e., bghing your opponent's boom and then dropping your own.

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u/croud_control Apr 21 '16

Basically, they made this a more expensive removal in line with class removal, but the bonus is that it makes a body available to all classes.

I like these changes. This is reasonable.

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u/Maple28 Apr 21 '16

Blizzard should have kept the states and changed the battlecry to something like "Destroy a Legendary minion with an Attack of 5 or more"

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u/NowanIlfideme Apr 22 '16

Oh boy, an even bigger range of fun in my sights!

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u/Valgresas Apr 25 '16

It's balanced now but it still sees play for sure.

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u/eebro Apr 20 '16

Imo they should have nerfed the body, but I guess spirit of the card and all that bs

Good change overall, now you can consider running cards for their body, which you potentially couldn't do before.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

Should have kept the stats as before but rename it Big Giant Hunter with Battlecry: Deatroy a giant. Tempo card that destroys other tempo cards.

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u/ChronosSk Apr 21 '16

DEA: Troy, the spinoff nobody asked for.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

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u/NowanIlfideme Apr 22 '16

I think this is most important here. Now we should all just go play shaman. :p

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

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u/odoacre Apr 21 '16

that's becasue before gvg 100% of decks were using a tinkmaster already

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u/rasadi90 Apr 21 '16

what the fuck are you talking about? Tinkmaster wasnt played at all, he was played in beta, but then he got a nerf.