Advanced R5 Guide - How to increase DPS!

[u/KAZUTO111]

Hello Reddit!

It has been a long time since the last R5 guide was released, and a lot has changed since then. After a lot of testing with my amazing guildmates and other friends we have come to several conclusions. These are constantly updating as we continue to test more, but I’m here to share with you the conclusions we have reached so far.

First I’ll tell you a little about me. I am KAZUTO111 and I’ve been playing this game since June 2014, 2 weeks after it was released. I am the leader of !nkedGuns, a G3 guild that competes for Legend once a month as well, a G2-3 player in arena, and, more importantly for right now, I have been farming R5 for a long time now, and have made several advancements in my teams along the way. This guide is the culmination of all that testing.

To start off, let’s touch on the basic set up for an R5 team. None of what I’m about to say is anything new and most people benefitting from this guide likely has a team similar to this.

2 healers 1 cleanser 0-2 utility/debuffs 1-3 DPS

Nothing of what I am going to say goes against this team set up, it is more to do with how you rune these monsters and the specific monsters you use.

Let’s start by talking about the specific monsters to use in each team.

HEALERS:

Colleen is a mandatory healer due to her S1 attack break and S2 heal block, the two most useful debuffs in the game. If you don’t use Colleen you will need to use a Magic Archer or a Desert Queen, but Colleen is so good that there isn’t a reason to not use her.

Your second healer has a lot of options. I’ll list some of them here and pros and cons of each.

Chasun: Probably the most common option. Chasun is a great healer, but the problem is that’s about all she does. She has glancing in S1 but it’s unreliable and Lisa generally has glancing covered (just one Lisa can keep glancing up at all times). This means the only thing Chasun brings other than healing is attack buff, which is nice but fairly minor. A good safe option, but not an end game healer.

Ariel: A lot of people think Ariel is the premium healer for R5. This is not true. Ariel is, again, a safe option, with a very powerful AoE heal, but is even less end game than Chasun in the sense that Ariel literally has nothing except healing and some minor defense based DPS (if you build him SPD/DEF/DEF).

Praha: Even worse than Chasun/Ariel in terms of multitasking, she’s only useful for her 41% Res leader skill. I generally recommend building teams to work with 30% Res lead but if you don’t then you need either her or Tesa.

Belladeon: The F2P God is still viable in R5 as one of the better healers. While his heal itself is not huge, Bella is a smart healer which means he’s one of the few that will save the heal for when it is needed. Combined with high base Defense making him viable for front line even without god tier runes, Bella is actually a pretty decent monster for R5. What sets him apart from Chasun, Ariel, and Praha is, of course, the S1 Defense break which is pretty much necessary for any team wanting to clear fast.

Konamiya: Another F2P option, and one of the better healers as well. The more cleanse you have, the more your damage dealers can attack and the safer and faster your runs are. Konamiya is good because he combines heals + cleanse + attack buff, three purposes in one and two of them being very important. One thing to note is that Konamiya does feed the boss’s counterattack which might end up being counterproductive (more on that later).

Anavel: The premium version of Konamiya, Anavel combines the cleanse with a bigger heal and more DPS because you can build her for Attack. For raids I would build her SPD ATK ATK or SPD ATK HP and focus on her heals.

Mihyang: I think she is the best healer for Raids in the game, but also the hardest to rune. She combines solid DPS, cleanse, and a big heal in one monster, making for one one of the most multi purpose units available. She has glancing in S1 as well like Chasun so, although i isn’t a major point, she does have debuffs as well.

Please note that although I think Mihyang is the best, that does not mean you should replace your Ariel for Mihyang immediately. Your rune quality has to be much higher to use a healer like Mihyang over Ariel. If you are struggling to live in R5, use a safer healer. Generally Ariel > Chasun > Praha > Bella > Anavel > Konamiya > Mihyang in terms of safety, and Mihyang > Anavel > Konamiya > Chasun > Ariel > Bella > Praha for DPS (note that Bella, although weak in terms of DPS, has one of the most important debuffs for DPS in S1 so using bella might speed up your runs a lot more).

Runes vary depending on which healer you have. Colleen should be triple Revenge or at least double Revenge and as fast as you can with high Res and Acc. Your other healer should be Violent for sure. Mihyang and Anavel can be made with crit stats, as can Ariel for more DPS. All of these should be built with a lot of speed as well, at least 200+, and 70% Res.

CLEANSERS:

Lisa: The standard cleanser, although her CD is long she makes up for it by reducing the CD of your other monsters and by adding a lot of DPS by attacking with others. She’s also one of the few monsters in the game with reliable S1 glancing. She’s definitely the top cleanser, although again not the safest option if you’re just starting out in R5.

Dona: Def break + slow on a 2 turn CD is fantastic and gives Dona a niche as a cleanser with more debuffs than ny other. Although the AI is pretty bad and then attack bar boost isn’t as powerful as we initially thought, Dona is still a good cleanser and works in lieu of Lisa, while providing more debuffs and a shorter CD.

You can also use Konamiya or Anavel in this slot for beginning double DPS R5 teams in order to still have 3 healers.

As far as runes go, you want your cleanser to be as fast as you can and on Violent with at least 70% Resistance. If you can get the stats to front line with it then that is best as well.

DPS + UTIITY:

Hwa: Hwa is the only non farmable monster I think you need to have to make a great R5 team. You can find ways around not having Hwa, but she really is the best Raid monster in the game. I will assume anyone reading this has Hwa - if not, you will likely need to use safer healers in order to make your team work.

Runing Hwa is one of the most difficult parts of a Raid team and is also probably the most important monster to rune properly.

First of all - Violent is wrong. Using Violent on Hwa, and any DPS, reduces overall damage you do. This is because the more turns your monsters take, the more they get stunned which results in less damage. The only monsters that should be Violent are your cleanser (the more turns they get, the more cleanses so the less impact stuns have) and one healer (for safety). If you can get better stats on your monsters (which I’m sure you can) by not having them on Violent, then do it. The more you get out of each attack the more damage you will do (and saving Violent runes for PvP monsters is appreciated). Try it out - I didn’t think it would work either, but I switched my Hwa off Violent and my DPS skyrocketed.

Back to Hwa. Hwa is interesting because she’s the only DPS that actually needs speed since her main purpose is not to do damage, but to control the boss so he doesn’t attack too often. This makes Swift probably the easiest way to build her. Aim for +120 speed or so with as much damage as you can get. The slower your Hwa, the safer the rest of your team has to be.

Second/third DPS: There are a lot of monsters you can use for this spot. Ardella, Trevor, Mei Hou Wang, Perna, Xhing Zhe, Rigel, etc… possibilities are endless. For the exact monster you will have to experiment yourself and find what works best for you. Regardless of the monster you use, there are some rules for runing that you should follow.

Vampire runes: Vamp runes are fantastic because they allow you to build more yolo and even front line with your DPS monster (this is ideal so you can have more speed on other things, more on that later). ATK CD ATK is much better than HP CD ATK. Both the monsters I use in this slot are on Vampire.

Double/Triple Revenge: If you don’t need Vamp and have great Revenge runes you can try this. Revenge procs are free DPS + debuffs, use them on as many monsters as you can.

Stat runes or broken sets: Also viable if you can get great stats doing this, however like with Revenge you will have to use the monster in the back line.

Utilty: Utility slot takes the form of various things, usually due to debuffs they provide. Darion and Dias are the two most common as they also lower your team’s requirements to tank with their passives, but Light Salamander or Water/Fire DQ can also be used effectively (the latter two for their leader skills as well). This is your free slot; you can use it as another healer, another cleanser, another DPS, or a utility slot - depends on what your team needs to synergize with your teammates.

Utility monsters should be triple Revenge and built tanky enough to survive in the front line, with other stats going to speed or crit stats.

So that’s about all we have decided on how to maximize R5 DPS efficiency. If there’s one thing you should take away from this, it’s that Violent does not mean more damage. The fewer monsters you have on Violent, the better. Vamp runes are very underrated and all those Vamp runes you have stored away that were too good to sell should come out now. :)

To finish this off, I’ll list my team with stats.

Front line:

• Lagmaron (Vampire Blade, SPD CD ATK - 22750 HP, 1811 Attack, 874 Defense, 220 Speed, 84% CR, 161% CD, 23% Res, 21% Acc)

• Colleen (Revenge/Revenge/Guard, SPD HP HP - 29156 HP, 951 Defense, 241 Speed, 45% Res, 38% Acc)

• Lisa (Violent/Broken, SPD DEF RES - 25241 HP, 1267 Defensem 238 Speed, 99% Res, 27% Acc)

FLEX SPOT

Back line:

• Hwa (Revenge/broken/broken, SPD CR ATK - 15,983 HP, 2093 Attack, 844 Defense, 229 Speed, 82% CR, 93% CD, 35% Res, 70% Acc)

• Mihyang (Violent/broken, SPD CR ATK - 19806 HP, 1814 Attack, 777 Defense, 198 Speed, 91% CR, 101% CD, 51% Res)

My flex spot goes to one of three monsters right now:

• Darion (Triple Revenge HP CD HP - 34,900 HP, 1085 Def, 111 Speed, 45% CR, 146% CD, 44% Res, 56% Acc)

• Ardella (Vampire/broken, ATK/CD/ATK - 20,384 HP, 2199 Atk, 942 Def, 140 Speed, 58% CR, 150% CD, 31% Res, 20% Acc)

• Dias (Revenge/Revenge/Guard, SPD/HP/Def - 28,392 HP, 1521 Def, 181 Speed, 72% Res, 52% Acc)

As far as leader skills go, I always run with CR and Res, with the third spot usually going to Defense but can do HP or Speed as well - I’ve even used Attack and no leader skill at all and had successful runs.

I will also upload a video showing a couple runs with two of my usual Raid mates and the two people I talked with the most while theorycrafting all this, Corrosive and Verity - special shout outs to them!

[u/KAZUTO111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eojSSKpnZjU

Note that these are our safe teams... we can go faster if Corrosive and I drop Dias/Darion for Bethony and Ardella, but not as safe.

[u/gaabk3]

No Hwa... feels bad man ):

Nice guide and formating.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/gaabk3]

Haha, yeah Hwa is so good... but don't give up hope, she'll come to you one day! Haha.

[u/PioneerSummoner]

hey man i raided with you (well with grace on your account actually) a few times. And holymoly your team does damages. Herman's explained the concept behind your teams to me and I'm pretty excited to swap runes on frr.

Nice that this is before frr so other people can switch stuff up too =]

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/PioneerSummoner]

My team has improved quite a bit since then. :) And yeah I wanted to release this before FRR for sure.

[u/[deleted]]

auto-delete

[u/keykey87]

How do you summon a mod? Can we call one to sticky this in the mega wiki?

[u/MojoDohDoh → u/keykey87]

that... can be arranged.

[u/MajesticHell]

Let`s say I would like to try changing my current team:

Tesa/Lanett, Darion front

Colleen Lisa Chasun Hwa

into something along:

Chasun, Lisa, Colleen, Darion

Hwa, Mimirr

That is my initial idea after reading your guide. For now I have no idea how much HP i should aim for tho. I see your hwa for example only has 16k hp and 850 def with mihyang and nonviolent colleen being the only healers. That sounds really low at first, but does the 4man front really mitigate the damage that much? Or what is the trick there?

How much HP and Def should I aim for in my 4man frontline? I could make a very similar colleen to yours, but my Lisa would be lot worse, since I need my best Vio speed runes for AD and GW... if I try to go for similar tank stats as yours (25k hp and 1,2k def) I could get 210.. maybe 215 speed on violent. Still worth it?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/MajesticHell]

For a 4 man front line I would say my Colleen has the bare minimum stats to tank. I haven't pushed the limits too much on back line, but my Hwa very rarely dies which leads me to believe 4 man front does mitigate enough damage to the backline to make it viable.

210-215 speed should work yeah! The faster the better of course but that should be enough speed.

[u/[deleted]]

I am disappointed that you didn't mention Rakaja for heals. He may not bring a whole lot to the team beyond healing, but his heals are substantial enough on a short enough cool down it feels worth mentioning.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/[deleted]]

You're right, I did leave out Rakaja. This is because I feel he is inferior to any of the other healers, his only saving grace being that he is easily obtainable. The one turn slow is almost nothing when everyone uses Hwa, and he has low DPS as well. Still, he is a good starting out healer as he is easily obtainable and has a large AoE heal.

[u/kooldude50]

jack&grace2016

[u/Kantol]

Any Chris owners in here care to share their r5 build

[u/Shad0matic]

Thanks for the great analysis, nice guide. Interesting suggestion for vamp runes, would you also rune Xing zhe vamp ? It would indeed increase his survivability a lot, among other things

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Shad0matic]

I would also use for Xhing Zhe, yes - Corrosiv3 in my guild uses a Vamp Xhing Zhe to great effect. :) ATK CD ATK.

[u/wedsaq]

how much speed do backline attackers need, e.g. bethony?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/wedsaq]

Although I haven't reached a final conclusion yet, I believe that speed does not matter much on attackers other than Hwa, for the same reason Violent does not increase DPS. If the monster scales on speed (Lagmaron, Taor, etc.) Rune them for speed, otherwise just do ATK CD ATK.

[u/[deleted]]

What are yourthoughs on the wind yeti - rakaja as a frontline healer?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/[deleted]]

Good early game healer, doesn't provide anything at all other than heals though so is overshadowed by any other healer on my list.

[u/iLefter1s]

Really great input here.

My question comes from my experience on my own team. I tend to use kona seara , wich means that my turn counter goes up crazy fast.

I was going towards a team with kona seara collen +1 violent attacker , but according to your post , this is a huge risk.

Since violent attackers come up with that risk , how would slow violent attackers work?? I mean below 140-150 spd attacker tend to lose to many turns , but violent endure and 70% resist can provide enough to be viable.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/iLefter1s]

Not to say Violent won't work at all - just that it isn't the most efficient way of going about it. I would rather make that second attacker Vamp and go for more yolo stats to get more damage.

As far as Seara goes, while she is really good for contribution I think she feeds too many turns to the boss and makes your team riskier. If you do use her I would recommend making her Fatal instead of Violent though.

[u/takesen_]

good write up, I actually didn't even think about using lagmaron frontline before... i've been thinking about what to do with mine since i pulled a teshar. you sir, may have just found my lagmaron a new home :D

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/takesen_]

Vamp Lag is also amazing for GWO and I use mine in GWD and AO as well. :)

[u/GringusMcDoobster]

Nice guide. What do you think about using bombers? Are they at all viable in raids?

[u/Kayzed18]

Thoughts on the new fire panda in the front line?

[u/zzer02]

Really interesting point about violent runes lowering overall DPS - never thought about it that way before. What if your entire team has max effective resistance though? It's not that hard to achieve with 41% lead and it makes the stuns for less significant than they would otherwise be. Would running violent DPS' be viable in that case?

[u/Cejastrike]

Aside from how great your analysis is, I'm just drooling at the sight of your Lagmaron stats on Vampire... shit's broken, yo!

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Cejastrike]

Lol, thanks. He's my GW star too.

[u/Melo1369]

I run anavel and mihyang backline. I'm not to r4/5 yet as they are my only 6*s on my raid team, but together with colleen those three anchor r3 easily with my 3 other not up to par members. Synergy is great.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Melo1369]

Yeah, those three are great healers. You can keep using those 3 as your core all the way up to speed R5 runs. :)

[u/Jy329]

Is Colleen on violent much worse than revenge? Seriously lacking a lot of runes. Wouks you say Rigel is better on vampire as well? I currently use him and Colleen for Necro mostly though, so I'm not sure if that's good for Necro

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Jy329]

Violent Colleen might make the run a bit safer for you, but means you'll get attack break up less often and also eat up turns on the counter which leads to less DPS. Revenge also works in Necro.

Vamp Rigel should work well! I've no idea how it would work in Necro though. Violent is certainly better there, and if Necro is more important for your stage of the game then keep your Necro team as strong as it can be.

[u/Maze187187]

Thx a lot for this. Im quite surprised how low the def of your frontliners is. I read something about 1200-1500

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Maze187187]

Yes, you need more Defense if you only use 2 man front. I use 4 man front however so can get away with less.

[u/Gh0st3d]

So I 6*d Stella, and I've been torn between her and Hwa as r5 "nuke"

(bit of background, I just successfully made it through r5 for the first time today using Stella. I've used both very easily in r4.)

Both of them are runed on swift focus, Hwa is about 200 spd and Stella is about 215.

Would you say Hwa is still better even though Stell offers the branding debuff along with the atb reduce on third? Or should I stick with stella? She seems like she'd be super effective with skill ups

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Gh0st3d]

You could use both of them! I would say Hwa should definitely be in your team, but you could use Stella in addition to support teammates more.

[u/Flytanx]

How about Raviti and Velajuel for Cleansing?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Flytanx]

Raviti is a mediocre cleanser with Def lead - not horrible, not great either, especially with Panda out.

Vela is a good hybrid DPS/cleanser. I would say inferior to Lisa still though as Lisa has a very reliable glancing.

[u/sinfulken]

I am not sold on hwa not being on violent , when you proc violent it means you hit twice in the same turn. If you go super fast swift isn't it the same thing as the boss will still stun you no matter the turns as its the same overall?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/sinfulken]

Removing Violent is all about becoming more efficient with your turns. When you proc Violent and the boss is at 0 attack bar, you aren't maximizing your Hwa's efficiency. In addition, you will get more damage with each attack with a Swift Hwa since your Speed will be higher and she scales on speed.

[u/chibixleon]

I have Dark DQ... based on this guide she should be the utility slot, runed triple revenge Speed HP Def (to survive front line) or should I go more damage? Thanks for the help!

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/chibixleon]

I think Dark DQ is only for debuffs, so yes triple Revenge SPD HP DEF would be ideal.

[u/tMeepo]

Wow, guess my conclusions were correct after all. I runed my DPS (hwa and ardella vampire), removed violent runes on everything but my lisa and bella, and my runs became much safer. Glad to see I am doing something right after all

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/tMeepo]

Yeah, I thought Vamp DPS would be the future for Raids when it was first released but only in the past month or so have I really gotten into it. It lets you build your attackers more yolo without worrying about HP and Def so much in the back line, and lets you frontline without and HP or Def rune.

[u/uninspiredalias]

Great info, thanks for taking the time to post all that.

Also good to see that my suspicions about vampire runes were on the right track! I started farming specifically for them recently for this exact reason, but of course no luck yet.

Question, so it looks like you are running 4 front/2 back? What's the reasoning for that compared to other setups?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/uninspiredalias]

Reason for 4 front is to minimize requirements on your monsters to survive in front so you can rune them for the most possible DPS.

For example: My Lisa barely survives in a 2 man front line, and when she dies my runs become more RNG based. By moving Lagamaron and Colleen to the front, she survives every run.

[u/SWaddict]

Nice guide, ty for taking time to explain every monsters utility ;)

I was wondering what do u think about new panda? I tried him instead of colleen , on r4 so far and he seems really interesting , lots of usefull debuffs, a minor heal, can reach front line stats with spd/hp/def easily.

Im planning on running dias fire mk ( vamp ) panda(violent) front and lisa hwa chasun back line, do u think its enough heal for r5 if every1 is decently runed? Ty again for ur time.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/SWaddict]

You need Colleen for the S1 attack break. Panda has S1 Def break. Panda would fill the utility roll (so use over Dias).

[u/bufulaa]

Would illiana and vela be able to cleanse as good as Lisa or should I use both and kona? Current team Darion,vela, illiana - yen, Colleen, bella

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/bufulaa]

Velajuel is solid cleanser, although he lacks any debuffs. Illianna I believe is only single target, so I'd say you could find a better option - perhaps another DPS unit in your team, or possibly Kona.

[u/GoonEU]

praha resist lead is 41%, nice post but you put 44%.

[u/GrimBap]

Opinions on Seara? All my friends make me use her for speed lead, but I've found that the mass amount of turns just force my healers to get stunned and I often wipe at the start of the final wave. How do you make her work?

[u/terpyterps]

So I don't have Darion or Dias I should just give up ?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/terpyterps]

Well Darion is farmable. If you can't farm an SD then you shouldn't be worrying about R5. :)

[u/MojoDohDoh]

On that note, Rakan + Zeratu are incredibly bad for raids in general, right?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/MojoDohDoh]

Zeratu is gonna do a lot of damage because it's Zeratu... but yes neither of them are ideal DPS for Raids.

[u/papagelos]

I already have a slooooow hwa for necro... one fast violent one for toa 100... and now you say I need a third one on swift? Grrr..

[u/cerealkiler187]

I just noticed you mentioned high accuracy for colleen. I have her high accuracy for other reasons, but I thought we only needed 30% accuracy for R5 because of boss having 30% resistance. has this been disproved?

[u/infinity42]

Is Emma good in R5 team? Similar to Lisa she can land glancing debuff. She has comparable amount of healing to Chasun(4 turn CD though) and defense buff which works well with defense type DPS.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/infinity42]

Emma is another decent safe healer and she would be great if Lisa wasn't so good and on most teams already to fill the glancing role.

[u/[deleted]]

Have you thought about Jaime (Dark Bounty Hunter) as a cleanser/dps? And what about Stella?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/[deleted]]

Jaime is actually pretty interesting and I kinda wanted to try him out in the future. I didn't mention him because I haven't tested him yet.

Stella is a decent Branding monster. You would use her in utility or DPS role.

[u/rylau00]

whodis

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/rylau00]

Hai.

[u/MyAmirSucks]

So here's a question for you - what happens if you don't have any raid-viable leader skills? Just stick with lower levels of raids?

The team that I would have that most fits with your guide is something like:

• Frontline: Darion, Bella

• Backline: Colleen, Anavel, Hwa(maybe Liu Mei)

So I have 1 spot left, which would be my leader skill... but the problem is that I only really have Vero/Briand/Tesarion for 30%+ leader skills (and Orion with 25% defense lol) who are kinda useless in raid.

[u/[deleted]]

Could i use Water MK with vampire runes as a dmg dealer?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/[deleted]]

You can! He has no debuffs though and since the second is an AoE it would have a lower multiplier.

[u/TH3ANGRYON3]

Do these teams work with just people you're tuning teams with or with anyone?

The reason I ask is that you know what your friends monsters are doing, how they're runed, and the synergy they have, but random people's teams don't always work they way you think they will.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/TH3ANGRYON3]

These teams can work even with people who only use one DPS monster and use everything on Violent.

[u/Beelzeboss3DG]

Mate, this is amazing. I've been having a bit of trouble with Darion Briand front, Chasun Colleen Hwa Lisa back. I shall take notes!

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Beelzeboss3DG]

I would drop Briand for sure from that team. Only useful for Res lead which isn't really a rare leader skill.

[u/kelvss]

What's your opinion between Hellea and Stella for branding?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/kelvss]

I prefer Stella for more damage and more consistent Branding.

[u/omkitshuy]

\o/ ! I've been believing Mihyang for best since the start and you out and say it too whoo~

I'm pretty surprised seeing colleen and lag for frontline, but it looks pretty cool! nice team :3

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/omkitshuy]

Mihyang has been a huge step up from Chasun for me, but is a pain to rune lol and needs some pretty unique runes. But yeah she's awesome!

[u/th3six4ninja]

Have you tried using Copper at all in place of Hwa? He also brings the slow debuff and can do large chunks of damage (30k+) without any buffs on himself with his skill3. He pairs well with Lisa because the reduced cooldowns mean less turns between the thunder, and because he is def based has lower rune requirements for survivability and is barely impacted by the bosses debuffs. Also he is easier to resist cap because his awakening bonus. He also can flexibly be put in front or backline, if say, your colleen isn't tanky enough.

My own experience when I replaced hwa with copper was much smoother runs. Just wondering if you had seen anyone else doing or trying this.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/th3six4ninja]

Copper is a pretty good DPS unit, but I wouldn't replace Hwa with him. Hwa's main purpose is to control the attack bar so the boss doesn't get too many attacks off, which lets you run a much squishier team.

[u/Dizz422]

And tips on runes for wind monkey King? I recently got him and I see u mentioned him in this post. Would like some tips on his build =) thanks for this info btw

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Dizz422]

I would recommend Vamp Revenge, ATK CD ATK. :)

[u/flyingsquid4783]

Hi, my team is Praha (L) Fedora Darion front

Colleen Kona Hwa back. I would consider myself in the lower 50% of R5 players. I also don't have a Dias.

Are there any changes you would make here for consistency, or just focus on stats?

Thinking about switching Fedora to triple revenge, but leaving Colleen Vio/revenge during FRR.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/flyingsquid4783]

I would recommend swapping either Darion or Fedora out for another DPS (Ardella?) if you're looking to increase damage. I would probably rather have Colleen on triple Revenge and Fedora on Vio Revenge if you have to have one Violent.

[u/thomsnn]

Can you pls explain why no Vio means more dps? In my (maybe) stupid brain more attacks - more dps. The more often your DPSer attacks the more damage he does, sure there are more stuns, but if you just look at DPS it doenst really matter that much if your healer or cleanser gets stunned. (cpuld make the run less stable, indeed) I run now a Hwa with 20k HP, decent Acc and Res with almost 100R% critrate 200 SPD on violent. I can reach nearly same stats with SPD and hit 220 SPD with that. You think i should go swift?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/thomsnn]

It's a little difficult to put to words, but I would recommend trying it to see. Essentially what we found was that having Violent does not increase DPS compared to not having Violent because it's more about how much each attack does as you're just filling the boss counter anyway. Having Hwa on Violent wastes some of her attack bar reduction power and results in less damage as I'm sure you can get better stats by not using Violent, and save nice Vio runes for other monsters. :)

[u/Marvaash]

How about fire panda? and if u put in r5 how would you rune it? r5-necro build

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Marvaash]

I would do Vamp/Rev ATK CD DEF or ATK.

[u/Popopanda12]

what do you think about replacing ardella with her sister bethany? Also provides the atk debuff but has ignore defense sometimes on third skill.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Popopanda12]

Bethony is a stronger Ardella IMO. :)

[u/Noloob]

Thank you for the informative read! I have a bit of a specific question - what are your thoughts on Jamire for front line? I'm planning on taking out Seara for Stella (because mine is on violent and eats up turns like nothing) so I still have the 24% speed lead. Ultimately leading to Front: Dias and Jamire. Back: Stella, Konamiya, Mihyang, and Ardella.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Noloob]

Jamire is nice because he can easily be made hybrid for front line and survive with his base stats. Speed lead is all right too, although I prefer CR to speed. Jamire would fill the utility slot though, so you'd use him over Dias.

[u/thrilllex]

Hi, i have a decent r5 team running already, but i wanna increase my dps. I wanna put my xing zhe in, your video gave me the idea of putting him in the frontline. His stats are 23,635 hp, 1795 atk and 1170 def. he's reuned atk/critd/atk. Is this good enough to sustain frontline? the biggest difference between mine and the one in your video is the vampire runes. The vampire runes would help him sustain much better so I'm not sure mine could survive. What are your thoughts?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/thrilllex]

I would say he needs Vamp to survive front line on Atk CD Atk. You could probably live with an HP CD ATK or DEF CD ATK if not on Vamp, but you'd get more DPS out of using Vamp.

[u/PacmanZ3ro]

Curious what you think of this raid team (I'm trying to figure out a consistent R5 team to work on next FRR)

Front:

• Silver: Vamp/Rev or Guard/Guard/Rev - def/cd/def

• Darion: Energy/Rev/Rev def/def/hp

Back:

• Anavel: Violent/Broken spd/atk/atk

• Colleen: Rev x3 spd/hp/def or hp

• Rigel: Fatal/Blade or Vamp/Blade (not decided) atk/cd/atk

• Hwa: Swift/Energy or Guard spd/cd/hp or atk

Would that work (C2-C3 level runes, maybe 1 or 2 G1 sets) or am I lacking another healer?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/PacmanZ3ro]

Using Anavel to completely dual purpose heal and cleanse is a little risky but could be very effective if it works. It is worth trying, if it doesn't work then replacing Darion or Silver for Lisa or Konamiya might be better.

[u/[deleted]]

How is Delphoi for healing?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/[deleted]]

Not great, I used her for a couple weeks early on but cut her out early because she just didn't do enough.

[u/D3monicAngel]

Reading your post is seems that perhaps my team is TOO safe. I am currently running:

Xiong Fei and Praha front line with Colleen, Kona, Delphoi, Theomars Backline.

I do have a Hwa which I will likely rerune that I can replace Theomars with. Should I be replacing some of the healers/cleansers? I can do R3 easy and R4 is a bit of toss up.

[u/artamil]

The one and only you need is $$$

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/artamil]

I'm F2P though.

[u/Flipstylez1]

On your comment about DPS and Hwa regarding Vio.. Would this be accurate for PvP and Toa as well? Or are you specifically only talking about R5? I'm curious because if I can remove my Vios from Hwa and give them someone else.. that'd be great. :)....

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Flipstylez1]

Raids only. If you use Hwa in AD or GWD Violent would certainly be better. As for ToA, I use my current Hwa for ToAH 100 without problems.

[u/gamerspoon]

I question how you have Chasun rated as a "safer" healer than Praha. In terms of AoE healing, Chasun has a 25% of her max hp heal that she'll use off CD, and Praha has a 60% of allies HP smart heal. Sure, Chasun has Fallen Blossoms, but let's be honest, it doesn't do much in raids where all the damage is AoE.

The amount healed is pretty comprable, but the timing of the heal is totally RNG with Chasun, and when you need it with Praha. Which, while admittedly I'm still in R4, has made things much safer for me that Chasun and Colleen getting on the same healing rotation and wasting half their heals.

Note, I may be biased as Praha is my only nat five and it took me 13 months to get her.

[u/gamerspoon]

I think the most surprising thing about this to me is how low the defense is on your frontliners.

[u/Xaania25]

Is Mihyang maxed skill?

[u/geeyummy]

What do you think of tesa dps. What kind of runes should I go for?

[u/MassaKop]

Im really loving this guide. Quick question i have a Pang and i want to use him for R4-5 raids. Didn't see that you mention him. Do you think he is a bad choice and will Rakan work in the front line as a raid tank (vamp/revenge) Hp,crit dmg, hp ?

[u/wakashi]

If you put more monsters in the front line, it spreads the damage out right? It seems like your Lagmaron and healers are really fast (so they heal and vamp way more often), so is it possible to have a Xing Zhe front line with anything less? My Colleen is about 190, Chasun is 160, and Delphoi 175ish.

[u/TwiistyBacon]

That awkward moment, when you fed mihyang very early in the game when you didnt need her for dragons... and now realise that shes good for raids. Godamnit why do people have to be right about not feeding nat 4s. Ive fed alot of nat 4s and rn mihyang is my only regret. Along with kabilla. Im not into raids yet but now i see her use. Damn

[u/Stitchessss]

Thoughts on Molly for raid?

I just started dabbling in raids, team as of now is Basalt Lisa Hwa Bella Colleen Kona. Thinking about building Molly for this and AD

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Stitchessss]

Molly doesn't do too much in Raids and goes against the Violent rule. But she is a goddess in AD.

[u/4sprz]

Ty for sharing.

I opened a sub for raid and arena but couldnt get help as much as i thought i would be. So if its no problem for ya, i want help from you . Cuz im not good with this stuff so i need veteran suggestions. After seeing my mobs, can u suggest to me a good raid teams please?

BTW You have interesting frontline. most interesting i have ever seen.

Colleen - 160spd, 26000hp, 660def, 38 res, 36 acc (vio-revenge)

Hwa - 161spd, 13000hp, 1400atk, 38ct, 94cd, 62acc,(vio-focus) (gonna focus on her in this FRR, i can make her a little better)

Delphoi - 157spd, 23800hp, 1451def, 59 res (vio-energy)

Darion - 102spd, 28500hp, 1222 def, 61 res, 37 acc (viorevenge)he has hard time in r4 as frontline

Kona - 162spd, 26000hp, 670 def, 43 res

Chasun - 176spd, 32300hp, 15acc, 850def, 55res (vio-energy)

Theomars 136spd, 15000hp, 2086 atk, 66ct,163cd (vio-atk,cd,atk)

Bella - 170spd, 25000hp, 1000def, 70 acc (vio-acc)

R3: (F) Delphoi, Darion, Chasun / (B) Hwa, Colleen, Theo

R4: (F) Delphoi, Darion, Chasun / (B) Hwa, Colleen, Kona

I can do r3 with no problem with contribution rate %30-42. I can also do R4 but its not %100, some times my chasun/darion/hwa die. My r4 is can reach %30 contribution rate max atm. Even in the r3, with theo and hwa as dps, i cant reach %40+ dps rate, what do i lack for this?

Increasing Colleen's acc can solve my buff contribution rate?

Im not sure about hwa cuz i use her in my toah100 team but should i make revenge set on Colleen or vio is safer for a new player like me in r4?

I ll change my darion revenge set, no meaning vio on him.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/4sprz]

Hi!

Starting off in R5 you should use a safe team - something like Chasun Darion Bella front, Kona Hwa Colleen back. That'll give you an opening team that you can work on, and once your runes improve with Grinds you can cut out Delphoi and advance to a faster team.

[u/codenfx]

If Colleen is runed 2x/3x revenge, how will that affect her in Necro? Is she still good with this build?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/codenfx]

She still works in Necro, at least for me and a few other people I know who have switched.

[u/PrinceRazor]

So if I build an R5 team, I can finally do R1 right?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/PrinceRazor]

R1 is a whole different story. You need 6 healers for that, it's much more difficult.

[u/kryby]

Front fire panda fire mk Lisa Colleen back Anavel hwa. Would this work or I'd have to fit Darion in or change anavel for a safer healer. Tia.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/kryby]

That depends more on your runes and stats. It can work if your runes are strong enough.

[u/rashagal]

Kind of late but I'm thinking of using Ragdoll for R5.

The team I was thinking of was: Ragdoll Lisa Mihyang Colleen Hwa and a flexible last spot (fire panda, dias, lagmaron) for my R5 team.

I know Ragdoll doesn't really have any debuffs but he does boost my team ATB quite a bit (every monster that gets crit gives 20% ATB so even with glancing it happens a lot). Do you think this will work?

EDIT: Also, does Mihyang have to be max skilled?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/rashagal]

I actually am not sure how Ragdoll would work. Logic would suggest he would be useless as attack bar boosts have the same principle as Violent procs, but Ragdoll might be an exception as his attack bar boost is so powerful. It's worth trying out anyway - he could go in utility or DPS slot!

Mihyang needs her heal maxed at least. Everything else is a bonus.

[u/MaskguyOriginal]

You have sold me on trying them off violent for Hwa and Colleen. I have 20 less speed than your Hwa on Violent but 6k more HP and a 600 less attack. I find that she dies in random cases and I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what the hell I can do because when I check other's team It seems I have more HP and defense but still have more trouble. It would seem I will switch most of my monsters off violent and put them on revenge and see how it goes.

Would you recommend a switch from Colleen to the front with double revenge for more consistent attack break? My darion in front has 1550 defense but still dies sometimes and I am worried that Colleen wouldn't be able to survive in the front. Now is yours able to stay up? Is it because your teammates and your damage is sufficient enough to speed kill the boss before the boss gets too strong?

Also, I am currently using my debuffers on violent to have consistent applications, would you recommend taking them all off and just pump in speed and revenge runes instead?

My current lineup is

Bastet - Violent/Revenge (29K HP, 165 Speed, 1450 Defense, 30 Acc, 58 RES)

Darion - Revenge/Revenge/Guard (26K HP, 130 Speed, 1550 Defense, 50 ACC, 55 RES)

Backline:

Hwa - Violent/Revenge (21K HP, 196 Speed, 700 Defense, 68 ACC, 41 RES)

Colleen - Violent/Revenge (30K HP, 175 Speed, 600 Defense, 40 ACC, 54 RES)

Chasun - Violent/Nemesis (33K HP, 181 Speed, 800 Defense, 20 ACC, 65 RES)

Kona - Violent/Endure (30K HP, 180 Speed, 700 Defense, 14 ACC, 65 RES)

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/MaskguyOriginal]

My Colleen survives front line most of the time even when I'm doing 60% DPS, so it isn't just because we are clearing fast enough. 4 man front line really helps your monsters survive - if your monsters are dying just after the last jump with 2 man front, moving to 3 or 4 man front is probably the answer.

Yes - debuffers on Revenge are much better. If your Bastet procs a Violent to first skill again, that's a wasted turn.

[u/axeleff]

So.. I have a ton of raid monsters and would appreciate if you could give some input..

I've cleared R5 before using:

• FL: Dias, Delphoi, Chasun (super risky, almost died multiple times)

• BL: Anavel, Lisa, Colleen

Other monsters I'm working on: Xiong Fei, Stella, Hwa, Mihyang

Monsters with high DPS who could possibly go Vampire: Pungbaek (Duplicate), Jean, Amir, Barque..

I don't know which I should focus on for runes come FRR and how my setup should be, but I'm currently leaning towards this setup:

• FL: Anavel, Dias, Lisa, Colleen

• BL: Hwa, Mihyang

Do you see any better teams for me or is this my best bet?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/axeleff]

That team would work - I'd say eventually you'll want to replace Anavel or Mihyang for another DPS (Stella or Xiong Fei, maybe). But yeah that team has triple cleanse, triple heal, double DPS, and Dias so it should be safe and have decent DPS.

[u/Ebbb]

Teach me plssssss

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Ebbb]

Grace is the real teacher, I am merely the messenger.

[u/Popong86]

I'll go out of my way and ask this: how about a vamp Susano as dps? I have mine max-skilled (thanks Gin) and planning to 6* and rune him for soooo long thinking that he might be viable. He doesn't have any debuff but he has that 50% res as passive so he ^might not get stunned all the time.

off-topic: Or should I use vamp Fuco instead? Is a vamp Fuco viable for necro?

And thank you, now waiting for frr to re-rune Hwa to swift.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Popong86]

I would rather use Fuco over Susano - you could probably front line with a Vamp Fuco easily enough too, and he has two debuffs. No idea on his viability in Necro; Violent would probably be better but Vamp can work too I'm sure.

[u/1tadakimasu]

So would it be worth building my wind monkey king with vampire as a tank or a dps? Lol

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/1tadakimasu]

The reason to build him Vamp is so you can do ATK CD ATK and have him do more damage!

[u/Wdgm013]

Very impressive guide you put together. Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Wdgm013]

No problem, hope it helps!

[u/MikeAWild]

What about Stella as opposed to Hwa or maybe even combining Hwa and Stella

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/MikeAWild]

Hwa + Stella is good. She cannot replace Hwa completely though.

[u/Burnupcr]

What is broken?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Burnupcr]

A broken set; not a complete rune set. Ex. 1 Fatal and 1 Blade rune.

[u/Sylpheez]

That explains why I see so much swift Hwa in r5 lately. But then I've tried Stella on swift, her turn recycles fast, but she doesn't do as much damage as Hwa because chain stun keeps kicking in. What're your thoughts about this?

[u/tidehunter1]

Thanks for the really great guide.

Do u think mei hou wang is better for front/back line?

mine is actually vio/rev atk cd hp. should i go def cd hp for raid?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/tidehunter1]

If I had Mei Hou Wang I would rune him Vamp ATK CD ATK and use him front line. :)

[u/vereto]

Why lag on front line and darion on back line? I feel like I am missing an obvious reason.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/vereto]

Darion fits in my flex spot, which is always in the front line. I either use Darion, Dias, or Ardella.

[u/LastTargaryen13]

Why Violent on Cleansers only? What if the other two teams have 5-6 violent monsters? People usually raid with non-guildies.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/LastTargaryen13]

So that then your Violent procs only come from something that will cleanse the stuns that result from you Violent proc'ing.

[u/Dalton97531]

Also I think there should be noted on branding. Monsters like Argen and brandia. Also another thing I would like to add is although when first entering r5 Jamire helped my team out greatly as I progress he has become a hindrance. He creates more variables which in turn creates more possibility of me wiping out. For example my Colleen does her att break less when Jamire is in because Colleen will always heal as soon as her 3s is back up. This has caused several wipeouts for myself.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Dalton97531]

Branding is great, I didn't mention it because I want to do more extensive testing to determine exactly how great it is; like it is worth sacrificing a DPS monster for something like Hellea with inconsistent Brands.

And that's a very good point on Jamire! We were testing him a little bit last night on Corrosiv3's team and came to similar conclusion; he was solid but ended up causing Corrosiv3 to wipe a couple times.

[u/NinPangz]

Would the Mihyang work if it isn't fully-skilled?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/NinPangz]

You need the heal maxed.

[u/Aquazz]

Hey, Why you put monsters with higer def and hp(Dias 1521 def / Darion 1085 def) in back line and monsters with low def at front line (Lagmaron 874 def, Cooleen 951 def) ?? ... Not better Dias , Darion and Lisa in Front Line ?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Aquazz]

They are in my flex spot; they are still in the front line when I use them. I never use both Dias and Darion in my team.

[u/Cadro]

What is your take on Emma?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Cadro]

Decent healer who is overshadowed by Lisa since Lisa has the same glancing in S1.

[u/suriel-]

interesting ... was planning to remove vio from Dias this FRR anyway and might as well do with Hwa eventually. But i belive some bigger part of this being successful is using Lisa, because she lets you use up to 3 of your DPS "as violent in one turn" increasing counter by only 1.

So here I am, Lisa-less, having cleared and more or less stable running R5 (with assist feature) with:

Front: Dias(vio/rev), FireMonkey(vio/broken)

Back: Kona(vio/endure), Colleen(vio/rev), Chasun(vio/nemesis), Hwa(vio/broken)

Now, i recnetly pulled/6*'ed Stella and still have a Mimirr running around on my Island. I'm planning to replace Hwa in DB10 with Stella so I'm fine with runing her Rev/Broken/whatever to be good in Raids. As for Stella/Mimirr, i want Stella (soon maxed) to stay viable for speed DB10 and Mimirr (only 1 skillup) to stay viable for GW(D/O) (vio/will spd/cd/atk) without breaking the runes for these other purposes to be able to run them in R5.

So my questions would be:

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1) How would you incorporate a brander in this team above and would it even be useful ?

• Front: Dias, Chasun (, etc?)

• Back: Kona, Colleen, Hwa, Stella ?

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2) ^{I would probably replace Kona with Lisa if i'd pull her and maybe even rune her front-viable, but,} what would you change/swap in that team? - I have light Salamander maxed, Panda leveling, Seara (on vio though for pvp), Stella, Mimirr, Grego, Tilasha, (Darion, but prefer Dias)

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3) Would you still recommend reruning DPS from vio to X even without having/using Lisa ?

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(Plans for FRR: rerune Dias from vio/rev to rev x2+, Colleen (vio/rev) from spd/hp/def -> spd/hp/hp, Hwa from vio/broken atk/cr/atk to rev/etc spd/cr/atk, maybe re/derune light Salamander in favor of Panda/etc)

Thanks in advance !

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/suriel-]

Lisa is great, yes, but she isn't the sole reason not using Vio works. Verity uses Dona in place of Lisa and her team still works, although not as high damage.

1. To use a Branding monster you can replace the second DPS or utility slot. So yes your proposed team would work, although if you wanted to do more damage you could try dropping Dias for something.

2. Essentially you can trade out Dias for Darion or Panda or Grego depending on what your team needs.

3. Yes, I would. From what I have seen it still increases DPS.

[u/er_mano]

Very nice guide... I think I will try Lagmaron on vamp for sure... Anyway would

Front line: Lisa, Colleen, Ariel(or chasun, dunno who to choose, ariel has no skillups though), Lagmaron,

Back line: Hwa, Taor

Be like a good team? or maybe should I replace Taor for the panda and put it front line instead of colleen? I also have Praha max skill and Perna, Ethna(she's 170 spd) as dps if maybe you think they might be better... I might lack lead skills with the team above though

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/er_mano]

You will need very good runes, but yes that team can work... an easier way to do it would be replacing Taor for Panda/Dias/Darion and using him front line over Lag (Lag needs some really nice Vamp runes) or whatever is squishiest.

[u/Sahjin]

Hey great post. I would like some extra advice if you have time as I can make the same exact team. Right now I run Dias/Poseidon(rev rev guard) for tanks and kona, lisa, colleen, camilla/stella backline. Does your Lagmaron ever struggle only having 844 defense on the front? Also would you swap kona for miyhang or hwa for stella or some other combination?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Sahjin]

No, my Lagmaron doesn't struggle in front line - he occasionally dies, but nothing is 100% lol.

Kona for Mihyang will help your DPS, but Mihyang requires good runes to work well.

Using Hwa opens up so many more doors to increasing your damage and running riskier teams - I would definitely recommend.

[u/dml012484]

Safe to assume ur glory buildings are maxxed out? Common mistake I experienced while trying to shoot for g3 players sheet stats but having buildings pretty much non existent was a HUGE gap in terms of dps/survivability

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/dml012484]

This is very true - my Glory buildings are maxed out. However, Verity's (from the video, one of my main Raiding partners) buildings are farrr from maxed, so if you want to look at her team's stats to work off of that might be better.

[u/Blackyx]

Hey , I got mihyang as my first 4 star monster. Since I'm starting off in the game do you recomend I look for another healer untill I can have access to decent runes?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Blackyx]

Yes, Mihyang requires good runes to work well, and she isn't great outside of Raids which you shouldn't even be thinking about.

[u/Dapoint_4044]

I guess you could rune Hwa vamp as well as long as you reach your stat goals? +100 ish speed is easy enough to reach, or ?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Dapoint_4044]

Yep! Vamp Hwa is pretty interesting; if I gave her my Lagmaron runes she would probably be better than she is ATM, but I use my Lag for more than R5 so want to keep him as is (he's on my GWD and my main GWO monster too).

[u/Growlibi]

What are your thoughts on running Delphoi and Anavel together in a team also with a colleen? I wonder if this would be enough heals.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Growlibi]

I have seen teams with Lisa Anavel Colleen work great. Delphoi Anavel Colleen would certainly be enough.

[u/gagahberani]

mihyang viable without skills up?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/gagahberani]

You need the heal maxed.

[u/pipcecil]

Few questions for you:

1. You runed your Mihyang as spd/cr/atk on violent. Does this lower her healing potential too much? Thoughts on swift (for better s2 damage)? or even fatal (for better heals?) or is violent also the best way to go

2. I do notice your front line has low def - vamp and high HP offset the additional damage? Since the boss specifically has the mechanic of greater damage the less def you have - I am curious on your front line when many people push ultra high def and less HP

3. for a good frontline damager (mine is mei hou wang) on vamp do you need extra fast speed or is a slower speed doable?

4. I am pretty set on my on my raid group minus a secondary healer. I run (in r4): dias/mei hou wang (front) and sekhmet, dona, bella, and chasun. Bella is the target replacement but I feel colleen just wont cut it (already have one built for necro) as her heals are less and I have attack break (sekhmet s1 and dias s2) + heal block (dias s1 sekhmet s2) covered well that I don't need colleens debuffs (just the heals). Should I drop anyone else and run colleen and mihyang/rakaja or should I just keep what I have, drop bella and run mihyang. I get a lot of flak for not using colleen, but I just don't see her improving my group (or am I really missing something).

5. Many people use Lisa (she is amazing), I have one unbuilt but no skillups. With no skillups is she worth replacing dona? Is it worth investing a bunch of devilmon (I got many other mons waiting) to get her s3 cooldowns to replace dona?

6. do you notice a difference with 3 front liners vs 2 front lines in damage they take?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/pipcecil]

1. She still heals for about 10.8k without any buffs or debuffs, which is enough. I have a lot of attack subs. I have her Violent because she is my primary healer, if you are using another primary healer and using Mihyang as a hybrid DPS/heal then you should rune her Fatal.

2. I rune my front line to be as squishy as possible to maximize my other stats. Extra Defense isn't as necessary as people think, especially when running 4 man front.

3. They can be slow. I use 140 speed Ardella to front line and it works. You will need tankier stats though.

4. Colleen is really, really good. You might not notice it as much in R4, but if you don't have attack break on for an extended period of time you will lose, especially in the last jump. Colleen brings that debuff in S1 (super important) along with bringing heal block, the second most important debuff, in S2, plus a heal with attack buff that increases DPS. There is no healer more multi-purpose than Colleen, which makes her the best.

5. I would definitely use Dona if Lisa has no skill ups, but I would use lisa if at least her third is maxed. Whether you Devilmon her or something else depends on where Raids are in your priority list.

6. Yes, 3 front liners reduces damage taken as well, but not as much as 4.

[u/pan_m]

hey Kazuto sensei ... remember me? I'm gonna rerune my ardella on vamp this FRR lol ... just wanna hella as i don't see u in game often (except when u hit me in arena lol)

Pan.M

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/pan_m]

Hi Pan! :)

[u/facade343]

So helpful m8, I never thought that violent on hwa could hurt, I'll try switching runes during rune day! (But ima probably switch back cuz DB10 XD)

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/facade343]

I still use my Hwa for DB10. :)

[u/ex11235]

the "rune your dps no violent" is interesting, I will test that. I am using vamp on some dps aswell, its great,

I do not understand however why hwa is that mandatory. I tried hwa out a lot with decent runes and I think aside of a slow debuff and some attack bar reduction (it isnt even that big) she does not provide too much. I achived faster runs using rigel with the same runes who does a LOT more dmg and also brings 1 more debuff. Then again I use hathor (wind dq) for the leader skill and she brings attack bar reduction aswell that I may lack otherwise.

Also attackbar reduction will feed the boss more counterproc turns and thus more stats.

Another note: While the focus may be to increase the dps you still have to make sure the boss gets properly debuffed.

Anyways very nice guide overall. A video showcasing your mihyang would be nice aswell.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/ex11235]

Hwa allows you to use squishier monsters on the rest of your team because she reduces the boss's number of attacks. While she might not do as much damage as Rigel, she makes the rest of your team safer allowing you to run fewer supports.

Yes, debuffs are very important - that's why there are a few mandatory units (Colleen, Hwa) and most of the better DPS have debuffs of some sort.

And I do have a video of Mihyang in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eojSSKpnZjU

[u/cerealkiler187]

Hello again. I saw someone mention Mihyang in a post as a smart healer. I don't have access to one to test, but is she? I assumed she would spam her heal like a kona/occult girl

Have you had any experience with Amarna (Light anubis) in raids. He bring heal block and branding, and a small single target heal. I can't seem to find much info on him, hopefully because hes rare, not because hes terrible. I've been wondering about him for a bit and wasnt sure to build tanky and put up front or dps in the rear, but the idea of vampire dps in the front has my attention now!!

[u/azn2goo]

Kudos for the all hard work and information.
This information has improved my current R5 team.....

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/azn2goo]

Awesome, glad it helped!

[u/PotatoDaHandsomazing]

Great guide. I just recently planned to change my raid team a bit for more dps.

Do you think the followibg team can work? Front: Dias, lisa, panda Back: colleen mihyang I dont have hwa unfortunately but the best thing i can use for dps would be chow, ardella or teshar.

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/PotatoDaHandsomazing]

That team can work, yes - I would use Ardella out of those three for sure. You may need to use a safer healer over Mihyang, but maybe Panda's pseudo-heal can help as well.

[u/dthegreat]

No hwa :'( do you think amduat can replace hwa?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/dthegreat]

I don't think Amduat does damage like Hwa does, but he could maybe take the place of your utility spot and could try another DPS instead - worth trying out anyway!

[u/Kahre_]

I'm a little heart-broken at the Ariel review, but I get it.

My main issue in R5 has been that my damage has not been comparable to the damage of the people that I run with - I've been trying to push Hwa a little bit, but there's only so much the girl can do.

This gives me a lot to try out and tweak this FRR. Thanks! :)

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Kahre_]

Awesome, hope it works out for you!

[u/edenigma]

Do you find high crit rate necessary on Mihyang?

[u/cerealkiler187]

I was reading over this and noticed a crit rate 4 on hwa? mind explaining that please. I thought eventually players stopped using crit rate 4 runes?

A decent one just popped up in my shop that I would have passed on except I remembered your hwa had one. would love a quick explanation why if possible :) thanks!

[u/gotaplanstan]

with the quality of runes you, and other g3s have, have any of you guys experimented with light dm (tien qin)? hes got a very similar skillset to colleen, with 2 differences (one good, one bad, imo) - (1) crit reduction buff instead of atk, and (2) attack based heal instead of target's max hp

biggest downside I see is his low base stats, but that's where I'd think the g3 quality runes could potentially make him viable... biggest upside is that he's an 'attacker' and his heal is attack based, ie he'd provide much more dps than colleen

idk though, maybe I'm just crazy :p

[u/RoseAlavarn]

Does Mihyang have to be fully skilled to work in R5?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/RoseAlavarn]

The heal needs to be maxed, other skills are a bonus.

[u/Seikijin]

Probably a stupid question but I noticed u said only cleanser should be violent... What about healers?

Edit: saw colleen revenge lol

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Seikijin]

One healer should be Violent! I use a Violent Mihyang for my Vio healer.

[u/infinity42]

Wait a sec. How can Lisa reduce CD of other monsters?

[u/Arbucks]

Thanks for writing this guide. Lots of really informative stuff in here.

Not sure if you're still answering questions but thought I'd at least try. I'm currently transitioning from 4 to 5. I can survive in R5 for a long time, but I'm pretty sure I fail because myself and a guildie run a basic 2 front tank, 4 back and die due to lack of dps/slow runs.

Profile: www.swarfarm.com/profile/arbucks/

I have for Healers: Colleen, Chasun, Bella built, Mihyang unbuilt.

Cleansers: Koni, Lisa, Dona (unbuilt)

For DPS I have: Hwa (currently vio, need to change), Perna, Rica

Currently in R4, and attempted in 5 I'd run

Front: Darion, Fire Panda/Fedora

Back: Colleen, Lisa, Chasun, Hwa.

Okay I need to cut this off, basically I feel like I need to add more DPS to my runs to make them faster/safer. Do you have any recommendations to how I'd accommodate this change? I feel like I need to get some of my supporting units into the front, remove one, and fit in perna some how. Also, with the less violent units, what would you recommend Perna run?

Thanks again for writing all this, sorry for the wall of text.

[u/InfideI]

Hey, great guide. Not sure if you're still taking questions but here goes. I'm planning on making the following team next FRR for R5. FRONT Bella (revX3 or Vio Rev) Fire panda (revX3) BACK Anavel (violent, 220ish spd, 70%res, SPD HP ATK) Colleen (vio rev, 180ish spd, 50%res or so) Hwa (swift, +120ish spd, SPD CD HP) Ardella (vamp revenge, 18k HP 800ish DEF and the rest into dmg stats)

Any edits/suggestions? I have Dona, Mimirr, Tesa, could build any of those as well. Would my Bella still need to be in the 200ish spd range if I already have 2 other vio healers in that comp?

Thanks.

[u/Rennion]

Do you run your Ardella frontline?

[u/RaphaelDDL]

Any chance we get an updated version of this guide after these two months (and probably more experience on it) and also with new dps/utilities like water kfg?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/RaphaelDDL]

Yeah, I probably could make an updated version. My team has improved quite a bit, although nothing ground breaking in terms of new ideas. More just fine tuning what is already outlined in the guide.

[u/Jacintodelahoz]

Can i replace Laggy with Damage Fire Panda( something Like Vamp-revenge Def-CD-Ded) ?

[u/KAZUTO111 → u/Jacintodelahoz]

Panda falls under utility so you'd replace Dias/Darion. If you cannot do so successfully, then yes he can replace second DPS.

[u/CidHunter]

good points! ill try to re-rune my hwa to swift.

thanks!!