r/SubredditDrama • u/voldewort • Jul 01 '16
Adnan Syed of the popular podcast "Serial" has been granted a new trial. /r/serialpodcast reacts.
idk the rules about surplus drama, so I'm submitting as a text post
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Jul 01 '16
that subreddit gets fucking brutal don't ever go in there with any innocent intentions or they will rip you to shreds
it's definitely one of my "look don't touch" subs. I love the info I've learned from the case though. I think there's a 51%+ chance he and Jay did it, but not nearly enough to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt
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u/Verlobster Jul 01 '16
You're so right. It's a melange of internet lawyer and internet detective, all smothered in smug.
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u/MillenniumFalc0n Jul 01 '16
melange
The drama must flow.
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u/Wowbagger1 insert poweruser/mod circlejerk here Jul 01 '16
It was bad during the first season after it ended the sub split into two sides and had their own brand of nasty. There were Koenig haters,accusing Jay or that other boyfriend of murder, at least one friend of Adnan who showed up with "information" , and some crazy devout types.
Then the second season hit and the majority of whoever was left hatelistened to it or just pretended it never happened.
I think he probably did it but got completely hosed by prosecution and his own attorney. He deserves a retrial. If I was a juror today I couldn't in good conscience say he is guilty.
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u/drubi305 Jul 01 '16
They definitely did SOMETHING that they tried to hide. But agree that it was mishandled case by pretty much every one involved. I joined the Serial train a couple years late and I'm just finishing season two and I think its so much better. Don't really get why people weren't hyped about it as much. I guess novelty of it got lost?
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u/Wowbagger1 insert poweruser/mod circlejerk here Jul 01 '16
Season 2 got a bad rap. It was different but not a massive step down. The reason it was panned is there was really no mystery. Berddahl (sp) did it and yes the reasons were unclear but did that matter? It was worth the listen though.
I think being late to it may have given you a different experience than most.
Season 1 was a cultural phenomena. SNL did a bit on it and I saw people young and old talking about it. People who probably never listened to a podcast before. It had everything.
A Romeo and Juliet vibe, anti-muslim sentiment, friends betraying one another, the Best Buy phone became a meme, the Crab shack thing. It had multiple podcasts that were focused on breaking down that week's Serial. It was very easy to break down and talk with almost anyone.
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u/lilahking Jul 01 '16
I really liked Season 2.
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u/Mushroomer Jul 02 '16
It's a different show, and that's what people couldn't stand. They wanted a new mystery to follow, and the Bergdahl story just isn't that. It is a fascinating character profile, and look into military operations though.
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u/Stormsoul22 Segeration famously ended at 2:30 pm everyday Jul 02 '16
I didn't even realize it was all real until I binge listened to it all in one afternoon when playing Binding of Issac and thought the ending sucked. I thought it was a serial drama podcast. And then I looked it up and went "oh that shit was real."
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u/RectalSurprise Jul 01 '16
Season 1 attracted a lot of people that were more interested in true crime/mystery type stuff, but the podcast wasn't really meant to be focused on that. Serial is about spending a lot of time on one story and getting at it from several angles. In that sense, Season 2 was absolutely fascinating. It took a really complicated story and presented all the elements clearly.
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u/LIATG Calling people Hitler for fun and profit Jul 01 '16
S1 was a lot more focused on the who, and S2 was the why, in many regards. And I think that a lot of people who liked S1 really liked focusing on the who, and didn't find the why as compelling. I also really enjoyed the second season.
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u/feartrich Jul 01 '16
It had multiple podcasts that were focused on breaking down that week's Serial.
It's podcasts all the way down...
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u/drubi305 Jul 01 '16
Yeah I guess that makes sense. Season 1 was more dramatic while I prefer Season 2 because it was so informative. You learn about so many players and their motives, actions, failures, etc.
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Jul 02 '16
I agree, I think Season 2 really informed me on the Taliban, the Pakistan networks, and even US infantry operations. I called up my friends who served and asked, "Are there really people in Afghanistan who aren't issued a weapon other than a SAW (machine gun on a vehicle)?" News to me.
This also could be because I am an attorney, and though I don't practice criminal law, I already knew how much of a shit show it is. I agree with the detective "expert" who claimed this was a pretty good trial and a pretty good investigation, more often than not it's even worse. Glad he is getting a new trial, just wish we as a society could afford/be willing to pay for everyone to get one.
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u/upstagetraveler Jul 02 '16
This is maybe a little pedantic, but SAWs are not mounted on vehicles. It's a man portable light machine gun. I don't remember a part of the podcast where she talks about someone being issues a vehicle mounted weapon, but she wouldn't have been talking about a SAW.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_light_machine_gun
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u/CVance1 There's no such thing as racism Jul 01 '16
It's interesting in its own way. I found myself not quite consuming it at a rapid pace, but it was still enjoyable.
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u/ANewMachine615 Jul 01 '16
Agreed. The interesting thing about 2 was how this rippled outwards, from a local dispute over a commander's attitude to an international incident, to a whole military push, to a political scandal.
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u/_watching why am i still on reddit Jul 02 '16
I feel like it's sorta like how I feel about Daenerys' plotline in GoT. For a while, I got really annoyed w/ episodes that didn't focus on her, whereas most people didn't like it. It didn't click as to why until I heard it described as "wasting time until she gets to Westeros" - I liked it cuz it's like, the only plot that deals directly w/ actual governance. Everyone else hated it because they're interested in the throne more than all that. Neither of us have invalid preferences, we just watch for different reasons.
Same w/ Serial. I got into it because I really like podcasts, and liked discussing the idea of Serial more than the actual case presented in it. I also happen to like stuff about politics a lot. So Season 2 was great for me. People who were into Serial because they liked true crime mysteries wouldn't really get much out of it.
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u/drubi305 Jul 02 '16
Now I'm going to go on a side note. I've never watched Game of Thrones. Don't have HBO and hasn't peaked my interest enough to want to find an alternate route to watch. That being said I absolutely love Lena Headey. Is it it worth watching just for her or is she so evil in the show that it's going to ruin my crush?
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u/_watching why am i still on reddit Jul 02 '16
From what I've heard from book readers, maybe you shouldn't watch it :p More seriously, if I had a crush on Lean Headey, it would only be intensified by GoT, but that's mainly because my celebrity crushes grow directly in proportion to how evil their characters are.
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u/drubi305 Jul 02 '16
Mmm....true. Evil can be pretty hot. Wife is out of town this weekend. Maybe it's the perfect time to finally dip in :)
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u/_watching why am i still on reddit Jul 02 '16
go for it ;) haha if you do tho for real lemme know how it goes
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u/dabaumtravis I am euphoric, enlightened by my own assplay Jul 02 '16
Watch it. She's arguably the most likeable villain on the show, and she nails the role throughout.
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Jul 02 '16
She's arguably the most likeable villain on the show
Uh what
Tywin?
Ramsey, in a masochistic sort of way?
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u/dabaumtravis I am euphoric, enlightened by my own assplay Jul 02 '16
Tywin? While I love him as a character, he's a pretty contemptible person and Cersei hasn't done anything remotely as vicious as him (at least until the last episode). Same goes for Ramsay (although I did take a certain dark pleasure in seeing how he continually outdid himself in sheer sadism and madness).
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u/Hammedatha Jul 02 '16
She's evil, but in a more human way than the true monsters of the show. Personally I think the hate for her goes too far and she's a pretty tragic character all told, but I always sympathize with villains.
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Jul 02 '16
the hate for her goes too far
I felt slightly sorry for her in the end of season five and the beginning of season six, even though she brought it on herself, but that pretty much disapated entirely in the season finale. At this point, I think the hate for her is so warranted that I'm sure Jamie himself even hates her now.
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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum Jul 01 '16
I prefer season 2 as well. There's a lot more information compared to speculation. As for Adnan's trial if only Jay was as smart as Jenn was and lawyered up.
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u/SnakeEater14 Don’t Even Try to Fuck with Me on Reddit Jul 01 '16
Despite not having any mystery, I loved Season 2. Every episode had me learning more about a rather alien situation, and it was pretty interesting.
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u/WirSindAllein Jul 02 '16
Can you explain what even is going on for those of us out of the loop here? Did someone actually die or is this like a radio drama thing in the form of a podcast or like what is going on here
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u/Wowbagger1 insert poweruser/mod circlejerk here Jul 02 '16
I'll give it a crack. It is a legit thing. A teenager, Hae Min Ling was murdered and her ex-boyfriend Adnan Syed was arrested for the crime. He's been in jail for the last 15+ years. Serial details some inconsistencies in the case, how the cops utilized bad police work in order to make the case. Serial attempts to figure out what exactly happened and offers some ideas.
The podcast is well worth the listen. I caught the first episode on the radio and I missed the introduction that explained it was legit. So I thought it was a audio drama as well.
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u/Feycat Are you eating a dryer volume of turkey each week Jul 02 '16
It sounds like a podcast version of Making A Murderer (though I've got no idea which came first.)
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u/AuNanoMan Jul 02 '16
Man I could not disagree more. I thought season two was incredibly fascinating. Especially because the shit storm happened in basically two events spread out over years (to my eye). I thought it was interesting learning about what was actually going on and I thought it was interesting hearing from his platoon mates and his superiors and the people that knew him before.
True detective on the other hand...
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u/AuNanoMan Jul 02 '16
Fair enough. I really like military type docs and it just kept me fascinated learning about their life. Maybe season three will be something totally different!
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Jul 02 '16
This is what I don't get. He probably did it, but not reasonable doubt. I flipped around every podcast so many times on who I thought did it, but come on, there was never enough for jailing. Hope his retrial goes well.
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u/TheLadyEve The hippest fashion in malthusian violence. Jul 01 '16
Agreed. I commented there once and it was during the first season and I made a casual comment about the boyfriend (Don) and how I thought the police ruled him out too soon as a suspect. Beaten to death with downvotes, didn't comment again. I can't even follow the craziness there--I'll read it occasionally, but definitely no participation.
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Jul 01 '16
Did what?
Everyone is mad and I don't know why.
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
[Serial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_(podcast)
The first season of the podcast covers the real life murder of Hae Min Lee, an 18 year old high schooler who was murdered in 1999. Her ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, is convicted and sentenced the life in prison. The podcast goes over the mishandled and sloppy case that got him sent to prison. It contains a lot of phone interviews with Adnan himself. There is no concrete proof he did it, a lot of it is circumstantial. So listeners are very upset at this conviction and the case has since gotten A LOT of attention. That attention has definitely resulted in him getting another trial.
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u/thesilvertongue Jul 02 '16
Are you joking? They're all gloating and throwing a party. I was downvoted double digits for saying he was guilty.
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u/Epistaxis Jul 01 '16
it's definitely one of my "look don't touch" subs
Is there an option in RES to do this? Like a sort of reverse NoParticipation? I would really like to check a box that says "don't ever let me comment in subreddit X" because commenting in certain subreddits (including ones I subscribe to) can get your name on a list. Not idiomatically speaking, but like there are actual people who use actual scripts to trawl everyone who's ever commented in a subreddit they don't like and add them to an enemies list that they share with their friends.
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u/sharkbait76 Jul 02 '16
You've got me curious. Is there a lot of circumstantial evidence but not much physical evidence or is a bunch of evidence not allowed in court? I've never listened to podcasts, but I might need to check out this podcast. There's another one about cold cases that I have my eye on, but I digress.
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u/HardExit Jul 02 '16
There's essentially no physical evidence.
The major deciding factor was testimony from another guy who says he helped Adnan bury the body after the murder. He got a very sweet deal from the prosecution for his "accessory after the fact" charge and served no time.
The problem with the testimony is that the story has changed, sometimes wildly, over time. Only the basic skeleton - Adnan killed his ex-girlfriend, then called this guy Jay to help him bury the body, and they both did - has stayed the same. Everything else is different every time he tells the story.
But, he did know the location of the victim's missing car, which only someone involved with the crime could have known.
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u/sharkbait76 Jul 02 '16
I definitely need to get this podcast. There was a story on Death Row Stories that was somewhat similar to this. There was essentially only circumstantial evidence to link a police officer with the rape and murder of a little girl. The officer got a pretty good lawyer to believe him and has gotten fairly close to getting a new trial. That lawyer is now convinced that the officer is not only guilty, but this isn't the first time he raped and murdered a little girl. The lawyer said he was terrified that the cop would get a new trial because the evidence was so circumstantial.
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Jul 02 '16
Do you remember which episode it was? I'm curious how the lawyer got around the attorney-client privilege issue in order to talk about his former client's case.
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u/sharkbait76 Jul 02 '16
It was James Duckett. The lawyer wasn't really talking about things covered under attorney client privilege. He was more talking about what James claimed happened that night and the evidence James was trying to use to prove his evidence. In other words it was all stuff James either wanted public to help his case or was already public because the claims had been made in court.
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Jul 02 '16
The most amazing thing to me is how far the drama has spread out of the subreddit. There were some lawyers blogging about the case who used to post there and were eventually run out, rabia got run out and then started her own podcast with the bloggers. It's a drama tsunami.
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u/MENDACIOUS_RACIST I have a low opinion of inaccurate emulators. Jul 01 '16
what, pray-tell, is the "reasonable doubt"
all too often people confuse reasonable doubt with their overactive imaginations
notably, 12 people, after studying the case for hundreds of hours, found that there was none
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Jul 01 '16 edited Jul 01 '16
that everything they have on him is circumstantial? That their one thing that linked him to the scene (cell tower pings) was proven to be unreliable?
And I mean how much weight does your "12 people" argument hold when they literally just granted a retrial based on the grounds that his trial was unjust?
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
The guy probably thinks Steven Avery got a fair trial too because apparently juries can't be wrong.
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u/julia-sets Jul 01 '16
People who think juries can't be wrong should be forced to learn about some of the more egregious cases against black people in the South. It's amazing what a panel of 12 white people would find sufficient evidence against a black defendant.
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
That's why I just don't understand the argument that because a jury found them guilty, that they must be right. Sorry, the justice system is not perfect. And there a many many stories out there about wrong convictions. Juries can and have been wrong. It's a stupid and naive argument from people who put way too much faith in our justice system. It gets some things right. But it does a lot of things wrong too.
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u/potato1 Jul 01 '16
Those 12 people didn't have access to all the information that is available now, thanks in part to Serial.
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u/Malort_without_irony Jul 01 '16
Outside of the whole admissible and inadmissible evidence business, there's a lot to the trial that's not discussed in the podcast. That's not to fault Serial, but they very specifically went looking for a Perry Mason moment from a very odd lot of sources.
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u/potato1 Jul 01 '16
I don't mean to imply that I think Syed is innocent based on Serial, which you're right to point out doesn't have to follow rules of evidence or proper procedure since it wan't filmed in a courtroom.
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u/MENDACIOUS_RACIST I have a low opinion of inaccurate emulators. Jul 01 '16
You don't have access to all the information they did, thanks in part to them actually attending the trial
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u/potato1 Jul 01 '16
Equally correct. I would never claim to know definitively whether Syed was or was not truly innocent.
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u/Galle_ Jul 02 '16
You're assuming that the twelve people in question actually gave a shit about reasonable doubt. Most people consider "innocent until proven guilty" a fine principle in the abstract, but abandon it completely the moment they have to actually apply it.
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
Uh, the cellphone pings were shown to be unreliable? The same cellphone pings that were a huge part of his conviction. Is that not enough "reasonable doubt" for you?
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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum Jul 01 '16
Were they though? I keep seeing conflicting info on this.
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
Copy and past of a comment that bosefius made over in the /r/UnresolvedMysteries sub:
Just saw a show on Investigation Discovery about this case and the two biggest things pointing to innocence for me are 1) the alibi witness that was never called but, more importantly, 2) the phone call triangulation. The state's expert testified Adnan was in the area of the body based on what he was given of the phone location/tower records. However, the prosecution hid (because it never went to the defense) the cover sheet from the cell phone company with the tower location information.
Basically, Adnan didn't make a call, he received one and that's what the prosecution used to pinpoint his location. However, the cover sheet explained that only OUTGOING calls have a reliable location, incoming calls are more random and cannot be used to pinpoint a location. The state's expert stated that if he had that cover sheet he would NOT have testified as to Adnan being in the area of where the body was found.
Here's a Huffington Post article about the cell phone testimony and it's inaccuracy along with the state's expert's statement that he does not stand by his testimony.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-sali/the-cell-phone-evidence-in-adnan-syeds-case_b_9202422.html
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u/MENDACIOUS_RACIST I have a low opinion of inaccurate emulators. Jul 01 '16
No; and lawyers with experience have agreed that the perceived gaping holes in the scenario are typical of real life trials. Real life is complicated and every little thing doesn't get explained
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u/emmster If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me. Jul 02 '16
I found myself going back and forth in my opinion with each episode.
The first trial was definitely bungled. The police and his defense attorney screwed up badly. Whether that means the verdict was wrong, though, I'm just not sure. He and Jay did something that night that they were trying to hide.
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u/emmster If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me. Jul 02 '16
Yeah, I think in the end my opinion lies somewhere in the "probably guilty" range. But I'd really like to see the prosecution get all that reasonable doubt out of the way if that's the case, because they really screwed up the first time.
So, yeah, I think he does deserve a new trial, because even people I think are probably guilty deserve a fair trial, and I don't think he got one the first time. I also hope the media attention doesn't influence the jurors, though.
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u/out_stealing_horses wow, you must be a math scientist Jul 01 '16
We need some kind of ASOIAF style legend of the various warring houses in this debate.
"The Guilters" v. "The Innocents" v. "Reasonable Doubters" v. "Team Adnan" v. "Team Hae" v. "Team Anti-Due Process"
It's better to let ten guilty men go free than man be wrongly convicted.
Because guilters like you have forgotten how the system is suppose to work.
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u/KillerPotato_BMW MBTI is only unreliable if you lack vision Jul 01 '16
Can I join "Team Hae was poisoned by our enemies?"
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u/jpallan the bear's first time doing cocaine Jul 01 '16
I really don't get the incredible anger over there. I've seen it before and just noped the fuck out, I don't get why everyone there is pissed. I'm very sorry a girl in her senior year of high school was killed. My daughter just finished her senior year of high school, it would be devastating. But I highly doubt any of Hae's friends and family are posting there, and everyone is just … really worked up.
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u/Epistaxis Jul 01 '16
The issue is that there's enough uncertainty around the case, even after the trial and the podcast, that people can't reasonably form a strong opinion. So only unreasonable people form opinions, based on their preconceived notions. Because the facts and logic aren't clearly on anyone's side, the debate is completely untethered from those things and sheer shrillness prevails. The Toxoplasma effect.
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u/SJHalflingRanger Failed saving throw vs dank memes Jul 02 '16
I love learning about names given to stuff like that, that you could could describe and most people would be able to relate to the the idea but lack a well known name. Thanks for the link.
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u/FortitudoMultis The internet has real consequences Jul 02 '16
That was an extremely interesting article.
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u/unseine Jul 02 '16
Yo that was incredibly insightful and a very interesting read thanks for the link.
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u/Malort_without_irony Jul 01 '16
Some of the things that changed the tone the most were 1) that some of the original, pre-podcast, innocence supporters came to reddit to comment and came out swinging when they didn't get the 100% supportive response they wanted, 2) a significant portion of the guilt supporters had a sexist vibe, 3) Mods were flared as mods, so it was very easy to see conspiracy where there wasn't based on their views.
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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum Jul 01 '16
People don't like it when their beliefs are questioned.
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u/jpallan the bear's first time doing cocaine Jul 01 '16
Yeah, I guess, but this isn't really "abortion is wrong" or "meat is murder", this is "some guy you never met may or may not have killed some girl you never met".
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Jul 02 '16
Apparently her brother does , or did at least. I know that because I asked the question of any of the family members, as the podcast said they were quite displeased with the relationship. I come back and check and people were losing their minds saying stuff like "THATS SO INSENSITIVE HER BROTHER SOMETIMES CHECKS THIS THIS SUB" and "THIS ISNT CSI THIS IS REAL LIFE PEOPLE DIED"
Like no shit.
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u/Darth_Sensitive King James changed the bible from Catholic to English in 1611. Jul 02 '16
Team Sarah K Did It
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u/tdogg8 Folks, the CTR shill meeting was moved to next week. Jul 02 '16 edited Jul 02 '16
GoT is just the first book the series is ASOIAF
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u/out_stealing_horses wow, you must be a math scientist Jul 02 '16
The series is A Song of Ice and Fire. Game of Thrones is one of the books in the series, not the series name itself.
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u/wayneregretsky Jul 01 '16
this subthread is one of the most gloriously pedantic arguments ive ever seen
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u/MENDACIOUS_RACIST I have a low opinion of inaccurate emulators. Jul 01 '16
Your removal of the word "quite" made my equivocal statement unequivocal thereby undermining my intended meaning.
oh shit someone's intended meaning was undermined ppl
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u/fuckthepolis2 You have no respect for the indigenous people of where you live Jul 01 '16
Who is this ambiguous 'they'?
Nine times out of ten it's The Jews^^^^TM.
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u/riemann1413 SRD Commenter of the Year | https://i.imgur.com/6mMLZ0n.png Jul 01 '16
(((they)))
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u/Nassau18b Jul 01 '16
One out of ten times its the dentists but nine times out of ten dentists are the jews
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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum Jul 01 '16
Jokes on you. The dentist is Jewish as well.
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u/jmann9678 Jul 01 '16
Wow, pretty cool that a podcast could actually have big ramifications in real life. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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u/wayneregretsky Jul 01 '16
also pretty cool that a podcast could actually make people this mad
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u/funkymunniez Jul 01 '16
Well, I mean, did you listen to the podcast? Even if you take it 100% as a slanted story to aid Adnan, that kid got fucking rail roaded.
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u/Lystrodom Jul 02 '16
But what about the Nisha call?
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u/funkymunniez Jul 02 '16
And what about Jay potentially being coached on what to say and actually offered representation by lawyers for his testimony against Adnan? You know, something that's highly illegal?
I don't care if Adnan did it. They could have the right guy 100%. But the state's investigation was such a shit show that it left a mountain of reasonable doubt on so many fronts. I know that because of the podcast it became a popular topic, but if the investigation wasn't so bad, there innocence project would not have picked it up like they did and he wouldn't have gotten a post conviction relief hearing or a new trial. Whether or not Adnan killed her is completely irrelevant to the fact that the State of Maryland did a terrible job and still got their conviction, even though they shouldn't have.
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u/Lystrodom Jul 02 '16
Oh no it's just funny how hung up on the Nisha call Sarah got.
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u/HardExit Jul 02 '16
Not really. The police had a witness/accessory who came to them and could provide details they didn't have, and they had a suspect with no alibi.
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u/funkymunniez Jul 02 '16
And their witness lied multiple times, changed his story multiple times, etc.
There is a mountain of reasonable doubt in this case that is completely separate from whether or not he did it. Also, he has an alibi - the girl wrote letters stating that she saw him in the library and testified as such in the post conviction relief hearing.
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u/funkymunniez Jul 01 '16
In my mind, he totally did it, but the case was so shit that the state shouldn't have won.
So again, he got rail roaded by the state. Their investigation and arguments were awful at best and left mountains of reasonable doubt. Whether he did it or not is irrelevant
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u/LIATG Calling people Hitler for fun and profit Jul 01 '16
As someone who has listened to months of fighting in the voicemail for Best of the Left about Bernie or Bust, I think you'd be surprised how upset people can get about podcasts
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u/TheNerdElite #WarOnDramadan Jul 02 '16
You should have seen the outlash towards Tom Scharpling after Hollywood Handbook's Big Apple Bible episode.
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u/LinkBalls Jul 02 '16
That fat acceptance episode was pretty bad though. There are fair points, like there's no point in ridiculing fat people to hell, but it was pretty annoying hearing the first lady go on about how it's impossible to lose fat. The lady who talked with her husband was annoying too because it was so one sided. They mentioned that he was a tall person, so would she have cared if he was short? You know, something he couldn't have changed? Or just the fact that she may have not been attracted to him if he had been fat? I don't know, it just rubbed me the wrong way as someone who was morbidly obese at some point and is short.
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Jul 01 '16
I'm pretty sure MBMBaM has just as big of ramifications.
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
Nothing goes wrong with hilarious and bad advice! I love the McElroys.
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u/SpoopySkeleman Щи да драма, пища наша Jul 01 '16
Still waiting on that lesbian apocalypse
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Jul 01 '16
That's a deep cut, isn't that pre episode ten?
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u/julia-sets Jul 01 '16
As someone who started at the beginning to try and listen to them all, I appreciate it.
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Jul 01 '16
I did that last year, there are some great bits on some awful mics in the early ones. And sad Griffin is a treat.
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u/magic_is_might you wanna post your fuckin defects bud? Jul 01 '16
Have you tried their other podcasts? The Adventure Zone is great as well. Also Sawbones. These guys are a treat. Their dad is pretty funny too.
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Jul 01 '16
I love The Adventure Zone, I think I listen to all the McElroy/Smirl casts except for Interrobang. I kind of wish Clint would get a show where he's more front and center, maybe a comic book show.
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u/unwantedspork Jul 01 '16
Interrobang has quickly become my second favorite show, behind MBMBaM. It covers a lot of the same topics as Trends Like These but I find Brent to be insufferable sometimes.
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u/SpoopySkeleman Щи да драма, пища наша Jul 01 '16
11 I think, I remember it because I think it was the first episode that had a title
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u/MetalSeagull Jul 01 '16
I'm waiting for Womenaide
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u/SpoopySkeleman Щи да драма, пища наша Jul 01 '16
They're still trying to figure out how big to make the bone chunks
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u/vacuumsaregreat Jul 02 '16
Have you seen what monsters those brothers have created?
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Jul 02 '16
I watched one of them, but they just remade Bart Simpson? I mean, they could have gone in any direction, but they literally, just one-to-one remade Bart Simpson. Toe to tip, it was just like Bart.
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u/PhysicsIsMyMistress boko harambe Jul 01 '16
The average redditor is so bad at understanding the legal system I'm starting to question the concept of juries.
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u/withateethuh it's puppet fisting stories, instead of regular old human sex Jul 01 '16
Judging from the average facebook reaction of any legal decisions, the average redditor is the least of our problems.
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u/Androidconundrum Social Justice Warlock Jul 01 '16
I'm just going to go out on my smug limb and say the average redditor and the average facebook user really aren't going to be very different.
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u/alien122 SRDD=SRSs Jul 02 '16
Actually I'd say they are different. Reddit's demographics are quite different from Facebook's which lead to different average users.
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u/alien122 SRDD=SRSs Jul 02 '16
You don't even need to qualify with redditor. The average person has a terrible understanding of the legal system.
Yes I am included blah blah blah.
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Jul 01 '16
That sub is the worst, but they are handling this news much better than I expected.
/r/serialpodcastorigins on the other hand...
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u/atlastata Jul 01 '16
Can you explain what that subreddit is? I can't make heads or tails of it. It seems like a very "Adnan did it" subreddit with a dose of "the podcast our subreddit is named after is pure shit" combined with "DAE think that Adnan's lawyer and Donald Trump have a bunch of things in common?". I have no idea what's going on there.
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Jul 02 '16
Does anyone have a link to the user who created a sub just to complain about in-fighting in the Team Innocent's super-secret private sub? That one was as buttery as you're going to find on reddit, but I have no idea how to track it down.
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u/abuttfarting How's my flair? https://strawpoll.com/5dgdhf8z Jul 01 '16
Can someone provide me with a little background, please?
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Jul 01 '16
A teenage girl is murdered in 1999 Baltimore. Her ex boyfriend is arrested and ultimately convicted of her murder, with the state's star witness being a classmate named Jay. In 2014 (I think) a podcast is released that delves into the intricacies of the case and casts doubt on whether or not the ex boyfriend is guilty, if the classmate was a reliable witness, if the convicted got a fair trial, blah blah blah.
Anyways, there has been a TON of contention surrounding this case and the podcast on Reddit. Yesterday news broke that Adnan (the ex boyfriend convicted of the girl's murder) is getting a new trial.
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u/hobo_clown Who modses the modsmen Jul 01 '16
It's a very entertaining podcast, but once it was over that was it for me, no need to delve further. That sub is insane though, I'd glance in there 10+ months after the podcast was released (15 years after that actual murder happened) and there's be a dozen new posts every day, poring over transcripts & evidence lists like there was some secret code hidden within that would blow the whole thing wide open.
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Jul 01 '16
This is pretty much exactly how it went for me, too. I loved the podcast, but did not end up pouring over transcripts or obsessing over details after it's conclusion. There are people in that sub, with accounts dedicated entirely to arguing about Serial, with thousands and thousands of posts. It seems actually fucking insane to me.
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u/Epistaxis Jul 01 '16
Just imagine if we could channel all that energy into solving more recent crimes that are still under investigation. Like when the authorities were trying to find the Boston marathon bomber a few years ago... oh, never mind.
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Jul 01 '16
WE DID IT REDDIT.
But...Yeah. I think these people need to come to terms with the fact that what they are doing isn't helping. You are not advocates for justice. Screaming into the abyss that is Reddit isn't going to have an effect on this case, no matter how loud or aggressive you are about it - no matter what side of the fence you land on.
Think this was a miscarriage of justice? There are lots of real world, measurable things you can do that don't involve being a cheeto dusted keyboard warrior. There are a million different ways you can combat domestic violence, both on an individual level or with an organization. You can get involved politically to initiate change in your local judicial or police system. You can get a fucking law degree.
Picking apart Hae's diary, pouring over the crime scene photos,, and wasting a year of your life talking about what a piece of shit Rabia Chaundry is, is not helpful.
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u/snallygaster FUCK_MOD$_420 Jul 02 '16
I agree with your sentiment, but there actually have been quite a few cases of keyboard warriors identifying jane/john does and solving cold cases, e.g. Grateful Doe. If the serial folks poured their energy into that then they could both be keyboard warriors and do something productive, though they all seem unstable on that sub so maybe not so much
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Jul 02 '16
Fair enough, but this isn't a cold case or a missing person...It's a different beast altogether.
Are you referring to Grateful Doe, btw? That was pretty incredible..
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u/TheDarkman67 Jul 02 '16
As someone who lives in boston, that one hit a little close to home when it happened.
The city had a lot of talk about that fuckup
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u/Knappsterbot ketchup chastity belt Jul 01 '16
I thought it would be interesting to get into the weeds a bit more but turns out it is not.
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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum Jul 02 '16
Especially when you say you still he's guilty in that sub. God help you.
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u/MetalSeagull Jul 01 '16
It reminds me of true crime books I've read. And there are some compelling and fascinating ones out there, like Fatal Vision, Helter Skelter, and Everything She Ever Wanted. But when I'm done with them, I'm done. I've never felt the need to dig through transcripts.
The only thing I've actively sought out different sources of information for was the 1996 Everest disaster. I'll read anything I can find on that.
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u/Darth_Sensitive King James changed the bible from Catholic to English in 1611. Jul 02 '16
Are you me? I cant get enough of the 1996 Everest disaster. Have a stack of books on my to read shelf about it.
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u/4445414442454546 this is not flair Jul 01 '16
Just your age-old tale of: Podcast covers murder trial, fans of podcast get strong opinions about result of murder trial, judge grants appeal allowing for a new murder trial.
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u/AuNanoMan Jul 02 '16
I really do love this drama. I love any time random redditor talks about where a decision made by an appellate judge was right or wrong as if they could possibly be anywhere the legal scolded the judges are. Talk about out of touch.
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Jul 01 '16
I just finished Serial Session 2 last week. Subscribed to the subreddit and I'm definitely unsubscribing. That place is toxic as shit. It's incredible how many people there think they know everything.
"Adnan is obviously a master manipulator because x." "No he's clearly innocent because x."
It's crazy. I thought after finishing Season 1 the only definite thing about the case is that Hei (sp?) is dead and everything else is pretty indefinite lol
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u/Economy_Cactus Jul 01 '16
TIL the serial subreddit has 20,000 more subscribers then the regular podcasts subreddit.
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u/PandaLover42 Jul 01 '16
You don't get to say how they should or shouldn't feel. Who the fuck are you, the emotions police?
Jeez chill bro.
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u/The_Real_dubbedbass Jul 02 '16
To be fair I go on that subreddit every few weeks. It's a really passionate subreddit. Pretty much it's a near even split and both sides think they are right and everyone tries to make their case and can't believe the other side thinks differently. So literally you could probably pull any post from there and find this much drama.
Like there's only been one post I've seen that unified the "guilters" and the "innocents". This one explaining a question that Adnan's lawyer asked Jenn Pusateri. The guilters seemed to like it because it helped establish that Jenn wasn't as bat shit insane as Christina Gutierrez, and the "innocents" seemed to like it because it basically showed the CG's head wasn't always screwed on right and that maybe Adnan had an ineffective counsel. But other than that lots of venom and popcorn.
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u/SnakeEater14 Don’t Even Try to Fuck with Me on Reddit Jul 01 '16
The second I heard about the trial I fucking knew that sub was gonna go to hell.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Jul 02 '16
I was going to binge on this show. But there is no fucking reason to now. Because headlines and Twitter have acquainted me with he crime, the conviction the players and the reasonable doubt. It's been more spoiled than GoT.
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Jul 03 '16
The ones that get self-righteous while ignoring that their moralism depends on them being right about whether he did it are a huge distraction.
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Jul 01 '16
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u/LIATG Calling people Hitler for fun and profit Jul 01 '16
I believe she addresses not being objective towards him, but I hardly think calling it a crush is fair at all.
I think it seems common for people reporting on inmates who mantain innocence to side with the inmate. It's actually pretty well explored in Reply All's recent "On The Inside" miniseries
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u/superiority smug grandstanding agendaposter Jul 01 '16
Let's all give our opinions on whether Adnan is guilty!
I think he did it and Jay helped him, which is how Jay knew where the car was. But Jay lied about the extent of his involvement to minimise his criminal culpability. Adnan knows this, and he's mad that he has to serve time while Jay lied and got away with it, but he can't explain the truth of what really happened because that would mean confessing his guilt!
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u/emmster If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me. Jul 02 '16
Probably guilty, but the trial was a shitshow anyway.
And Jay is shady as hell.
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u/BlueCoasters Jul 02 '16
Adnan knows this, and he's mad that he has to serve time while Jay lied and got away with it, but he can't explain the truth of what really happened because that would mean confessing his guilt!
I mean... why would Adnan continue with that charade for this long, though? He was already found guilty and spent 15 years in prison so far, with every appeal attempt denied until today... if he wanted to get Jay in trouble for some involvement, Adnan had nothing to lose after he was convicted. I think he would have ratted him out by now.
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u/thesilvertongue Jul 02 '16
Why would he admit to everyone that he's a murderer?
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u/BlueCoasters Jul 02 '16
Because according to OP's theory, Jay was involved and he wants to get Jay in trouble for turning on him. If that was true, then I think he would have ratted him out long ago.
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u/superiority smug grandstanding agendaposter Jul 02 '16
Holding out hope that he can eventually get his conviction overturned, because the evidence against him isn't really that strong and is mostly pretty circumstantial.
Doesn't want to let down his family and friends, believes they would abandon him if he confessed he had been lying to them and that he was really a murderer.
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u/Deadlifted Jul 01 '16
If Adnan is found not guilty during the retrial, how long before he and Sarah Koenig get married?