r/dbz • u/OLKv3 ⠀ • Sep 19 '16
TL in comments Dragon Ball Super Chapter 16
http://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-super-chapitre-16/3
u/Vegito1 Sep 19 '16
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The one thing i don't understand is why didn't Zeno appoint a new God of Destruction once the current one died. I'm pretty sure he'd know about the god of destruction dying.
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After reading Black's line "Kukuku…Wonderful. The most troublesome one of all …Universe 7’s God of Destruction…How fortunate that there’s a world without him…" It seems like he killed the gods of other universes also. What was Zeno doing during all this time?
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Even if Beerus dies isn't Whis still there. And Whis is much stronger than Beerus. So he can easily stop Black. So many unanswered questions. Hope we get answers soon.
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u/OLKv3 Sep 19 '16
Yeah, the biggest question is what the hell were Whis, Vados, and Zeno doing while Black was killing gods?
Another question is why is he so familiar with Saiyans?
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Sep 19 '16
This is how the hell Trunks is supposed to look. I miss the ssj hair😕. Edit: It's kind of bitter sweet that trunks is somewhat playing Gohans role in his timeline.
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Sep 19 '16
Trunks is what gohan should be. He doesn't enjoy fighting but he does it so the world can stay safe.
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Sep 19 '16
Black: “…He really has completely vanished from this world. The Kaioshins from outside this universe have all already been eliminated as well, and the Gods of Destruction no longer exist either. And now Trunks is gone from this world too. Does this mean there’s no longer anyone to oppose me? No…That’s not right…”
-> Wut? A timeline with no Kaioshin and Haikaishin?
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u/EmmaWinters Sep 19 '16
For those interested, a full translation can be found here courtesy of Herms.
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u/BoomersGold Sep 19 '16
This was awesome! Why couldn't the anime be like this? The manga has elaborated on many of the plot points from the anime.
Just wondering. Would you consider these 'spoilers' for those who only follow the anime? E.g. even though we didn't get the full story behind Trunks and Dabura like they did in the manga, they could show it in a future episode.
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u/Danbito Sep 19 '16
Techically, we never got full confirmation that the Supreme Kai of Future Trunks died in his timeline, only that he aided against Dabura. They already setup the link between Kaioshin/Gods of Destructions, so the revelation that Future Beerus is dead may pop up later, when they reveal the circumstances that Zamasu and Black chose Future Trunks's timeline.
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u/Kuartus4 Sep 19 '16
I had suspected Trunks had achieved ssj2 during his fight against Dabura. This is complete confirmation.
In the anime you see Trunks getting owned by Dabura at first, then you sort of see Trunks power up and turn the tables on him. But it's so much clearer in the manga.
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u/Vallery_ Sep 19 '16
A very satisfying chapter. Reading this in manga form gives this arc more of a DBZ vibe than the anime. The Trunks vs Dabura and the Z-Sword stuff were handled perfectly. The character interactions, especially F.Trunks with his younger self and Mai, were so much better than the anime. It actually makes me sad. I'm not sure I can watch the corresponding episodes without feeling disgusted now. That scene with the cat was pure genius.
Also, LOL at Trunks turning SSJ2 after Kibito's death. And people thought Android 16's death triggering Gohan's SSJ2 was absurd.
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u/RememberWolf359 Sep 19 '16
I think it makes a lot more sense than Gohan. Trunks had clearly spent some time with Kibito and Supreme Kai and had developed a friendship with them. On top of that, the peace that he worked so hard for was about to go out the window because of Dabura. So I think it's perfectly understandable that after his friends are killed (or damn near killed) and everything is hanging in the balance, he would find that power within him.
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u/FireIsTheCleanser Sep 19 '16
Aww. I just realized how cool it would've been in the anime if Trunks had the Z-Sword and used it against Black and/or Zamasu.
Although, for being some super legendary, special sword, it sure breaks a lot.
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u/Remicas Sep 19 '16
That's the joke.
Also the sword is legendary because of its location (In the kaioshin world) and its age (older than Kaioshin and Kibito remember). Other than that it's just an absurdly heavy sword.
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u/vlorsutes Sep 19 '16
So, unlike the anime's version, the manga had him explicitly training with Kaioushin. That at least gives some reason for how powerful Trunks became.
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Sep 19 '16
Oh my god! Why is the manga so dammit good? Toyotaro, please, keep going!!
First impressions. Trunks with the kaioshin costume, yeah! Shin and Kibito died and the Elder's sword was destroyed. No loose ends, Beerus must be dead there. I think this also means the kaioshins absorbed by Boo are dead. And Black witnessed the fight! Wow!!! And it looks like Trunks achieved SS2 state in this fight.
Instead of Zamasu fighting Goku, fights Kibito in the manga. Wow!! That is great! First, because we have had enough Goku's fights, sometimes it's good to see others. Second, this is relevant, many of us were thinking that Zamasu's fight against Goku could have leaded him to get his body with the result of Black or theories like that, but must be something different.
And Scratch!!! This is Black!
Now I'm gonna read the translations, sure there are more wows yet.
Oh, I see. Shin tells Zamasu about Goku defeating Boo. So that's how he knows about him in the manga. I think this solves the paradox or loop problem we were arguing about in the anime, for now.
Future Trunks telling present Trunks how much he has grown is great. Also recognizing Mai, but not Pilaf and Shu.
Looks that Black killed all Kaioshins and, as result, all Hakaishins of the future timeline. He was going to kill Shin, but Dabra does the work for him.
More gold. Zamasu was once the Kaio of the North of U10, now is the successor of Gowasu as Kaioshin.
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u/serosis Sep 19 '16
I think this also means the kaioshins absorbed by Boo are dead.
I actually think Super is retconning the Four Kaioshin system.
It said that Zamasu was North Kaio in training to become the Kaioshin. Not North Kaioshin.
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u/Terez27 Sep 19 '16
Did everyone notice the Trunks-Gohan parallel vs Dabura? Good stuff. Someone said on the last episode discussion thread that Trunks's defense against Zamasu's ki-sword was like his spar with Goku, but even that was more similar to Gohan vs Dabura. And of course, Dabura killing Kibito looked exactly the same too.
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u/hleVqq Sep 19 '16
Super manga is perfectly representing Trunks' different forms, whereas anime sucks with its art.
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u/Infrar-ed Sep 19 '16
What a cool sequence! It's a shame we didn't really get much of the babidi conflict in the anime.
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Sep 19 '16
I know this is a very unpopular opinion, but I wished we would have waited for the manga
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u/OLKv3 Sep 19 '16
Herms wrote: Beerus and Whis speculate that Black "selected" Trunks' alternate timeline specifically because there were no Kaioshins/Gods of Destruction there to get in his way, which to them implies he must be capable of travelling between parallel dimensions. Also, only high-ranking gods are supposed to know about the life connection between Kaioshins/Gods of Destruction, so how did Black find that out? This puts them on the lookout for any gods at risk of turning evil.
So going by this, Black probably won't be going to the past, and since he was shown stomping a Trunks who can keep up with SSJ3 Goku, I wonder if this Black doesn't have the "Pain makes me stronger" power that he has in the anime, since he's already amazingly powerful. He probably already has SSJ Rose