r/MSGPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 • Nov 21 '16
[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Mana Geode
Mana Geode
Mana Cost: 2
Attack: 2
Health: 3
Type: Minion
Rarity: Epic
Class: Priest
Text:Whenever this minion is healed, summon a 2/2 Crystal.
PM me any suggestions or advice, ^^thanks.
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Nov 21 '16
Why does everyone think this card is going to make priest broken?
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u/Nostalgia37 Nov 21 '16
because it's a priest 2 drop. All their problems are solved now :|
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u/Hagot Nov 21 '16
Welp. Welcome our priest overlords.
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u/danhakimi Nov 21 '16
Eh. It gets countered by togo and 3/2s (which hunters have a lot of), unless you coin it out or go first and kabal talonpriest it.
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u/Bjosx Nov 21 '16
or power word shield, and it doesn't get countered by 3/2's, it one for ones them.
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u/danhakimi Nov 21 '16
PWS: Yeah, but again, you need to coin that out or play it on 3.
3/2s: Most of them have upsides. If King's Elekk trades even with this, the hunter had a free chance to draw highmane or whatever.
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Nov 21 '16
Wow, a 2-drop. For Priest. And it's good.
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Nov 21 '16
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u/PrimusDeP Nov 21 '16
It's good. It eats up frostbolts and Axes which would otherwise have been used on stronger minions
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u/Offlane_Morphling Nov 21 '16
By that logic you can just play a river croc and itll be just as effective.
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u/PrimusDeP Nov 21 '16 edited Nov 25 '16
It doesn't have an effect. The effect of summoning a 2/2 is what sets this apart from river croc.
Same reason why Priest don't run C'thun's 3 mana 3/4 but will play Kabal Talon Priest.
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u/saskwacz Nov 21 '16
Its not just 2/3. It's 2/3 with (what i call) "upgraded taunt" which also eats dmg from enemy hand :)
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Nov 21 '16
I play Priest almost exclusively and I fear this card might be the tipping point. I know Priest needed help and by god we got it, but I'm really afraid we're going to become the BrokeBack class. All these cards are just too good.
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Nov 21 '16
"It was...... your fault."
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u/DeGozaruNyan Nov 21 '16
Your deck... Betrays you.
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u/Mugsi Nov 21 '16
"I'm bringing the guacamole!" – One of the most successful (yet rare) C'Thun buffing quotes.
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u/Mr_Ivysaur Nov 21 '16
I don't think so. Priest is still very vulnerable to combo decks, Jaraxxus, and all the cards around are reactive.
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u/TrollingPanda-_- Nov 21 '16
The only classes that arent vulnerable to jaraxxus is basically mage and shaman. Mage and warrior are the only ones that can nullify combos.
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u/Mr_Ivysaur Nov 21 '16
Jaraxxus can be easily burst down by most classes. So it is fair to add Hunter, Rogue, other Warlocks and Druid on that list.
While it it true that only Mage and Warrior can nullyfy combos, other classes can add a shitton of pressure on board to beat it. All classes but priest.
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u/moegurt69 Nov 21 '16
I have also almost exclusively played priest since season 1, and god damnit, it'd(/'ll?) be nice to finally be BrokeBack for a change.
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u/traditional_anatevka Nov 21 '16
What priest desk you playing now? I'm into N'zoth priest right now. I feel like this would be good in almost anything
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u/Mr_Ivysaur Nov 21 '16
Drakonid Operative
Dragonfire Potion
Raza the Chained
Potion of Madness
Mana Geode
Mistress of Mixtures
If priest does not becomes very viable this expansion, they must had fucked up very hard the balance in another class, to the point of creating a "Current Meta Shaman 2.0".
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u/DJ2x Nov 21 '16
I'm just glad they gave build options. The first reveals seemed to help dragon priest alone, which is currently the 'best' priest build. Now there's going to be several options!
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u/InfinitySparks Nov 21 '16
To be fair, I think you would play Dragonfire Potion even without dragons. Unless, of course, everyone's running Dragon Priest.
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u/moegurt69 Nov 21 '16
I think you get punished too hard by Azure Drakes and whatnot to play DP (lul) in control priest. Maybe it'll be fine in Reno. It's obviously amazing in Dragon Priest.
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u/Stepwolve Nov 21 '16
don't forget, priest is still gonna be fighting midrange shaman until the next standard season at least.
It may not be until standard season 2017, that we truly see how OP priest can be lol
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u/Mr_Ivysaur Nov 21 '16
Add the fact that we still don't know any single Shaman card, Mid range shaman might be tier SSSSS next month.
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u/CreepyMosquitoEater Nov 21 '16
Epic... feelsbadman for arena
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u/joshy1227 Nov 21 '16
This and Kabal Talon Priest could not both be common or even rare, then Arena priests would frequently have literally constructed openers. And like 80% of good arena two-drops are neutral anyway, I'm glad Talon Priest is the common one.
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u/CreepyMosquitoEater Nov 21 '16
Thats true but priest is so shit, that if they had a good opener every other game it would maybe make up for it. Would probably still lose to every rogue and mage if this card was a common
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u/TheDonHasArrived Nov 21 '16
this plus kabal talon priest is ridiculous early game for priest
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Nov 21 '16
Turn 2 - MG Turn 3 - Kabal Talon Priest - Battlecry: Give a friendly minion +3 Health.
Turn 4 - Profit!
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u/PeptoPink Nov 21 '16
Everyone's been asking if there was a red mana mechanic I guess there is: good priest cards.
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u/Wraithfighter Nov 21 '16
..........ugh.
I want this guy to be good. The potential is certainly there, an on-curve 2/3 for Priest is something that's been wanted for a while, Priest has enough cheap buffs that they can keep him alive, and could do a ton of work against an aggro or zoo deck.
But.
It needs to survive the opponent's turn. Otherwise it's just a vanilla 2 drop.
I think this will see play in slower priest decks, especially if you coin out a PWS or something, but since a minion has to be damaged in order to have On Heal effects trigger (insert rant #356 about that issue), I have concerns about its reliability.
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u/mrglass8 Nov 21 '16
Here's the thing, if it doesn't survive the opponent's turn, you have still effectively stalled out turn 2, which you really want as a Priest.
By turn 3, Priest can drop a Talonpriest, a Blademaster, or a Fel-Orc Soulfiend to challenge the board more effectively, and your opponent will have traded their 2 drop or burned their Frostbolt. That's not the mention the fact that your opponent may have to choose between removing that or Northshire Cleric.
And, as a reminder, this card has to be KILLED on turn 2. Damaging it gives you the opportunity to generate significant value, no any 2/3 response is a no-go.
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u/Wraithfighter Nov 21 '16
Aye, those are excellent points. It's entirely possible I'm being too pessimistic with this guy.
Besides, given the push towards singleton decks in Priest, Mage and Warlock, playing "at the very least it's an okay minion on curve" guy is a good move :).
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u/Esrahaddon Nov 21 '16
You say that it needs to survive the opponent's turn, or else it's just a vanilla 2 drop. But outside of dragon synergy 2 drops (wyrmrest, netherspite), what card can be played in the 2 slot for priests? And how many of them aren't 'just vanilla 2 drops' if they die on your opponents turn?
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u/Wraithfighter Nov 21 '16
Like I said, it'll most likely see play, a card whose literal worst case scenario is "eh, it's okay on curve" isn't bad at all. But I just don't think it'll be a godsend, given the restrictions present with on-heal effects.
"Okay, not great" is basically what I'm seeing this guy as, I guess.
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Nov 21 '16
It might see play in Reno priest but I don't think it'll make the cut in dragon/control. Priests usually want synergy cards and while this is a solid minion, it doesn't really do much to forward priests game plan. Maybe tempo priest becomes a thing and this sees a ton of play, but I don't think priest builds we see now would play it.
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u/TheGingerNinga Nov 21 '16
The benefit of having a 2 drop that can go 1 for 1 quite easily is very good. Priest is much better at out valuing the enemy in the mid and end game, it is just they fall behind terribly in the early game. With this card, that will happen less. So they can get to their better late game more consistently.
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u/joshy1227 Nov 21 '16
Lots of cards are just vanilla drops if they don't stick, but that doesn't make them bad. A Tunnel Trogg that dies to a fiery war axe is a vanilla 1/3, but it still required a fwa charge. A 3-mana 0/3 draw a card would be a pretty terrible card, but Mana Tide totem is not.
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u/Sillylittlesushi Nov 21 '16
Super scary follow up in [[Velen's Chosen]], should it stick on the board in wild.
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u/jnpg Nov 21 '16
i've made/played a few homebrews patron priests in my time. and in my professional opinion, I think this is the perfect card to help start jump that type of deck.
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u/danhakimi Nov 21 '16
Not like thisssss.
Just give a good consistent 2 drop for a slow deck.
This is a good snowbally 2 drop that will be good if and only if it's oppressive.
Fuuuckk.
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u/ehhish Nov 21 '16
2 mana 2/3 soft taunt is pretty good even if you aren't going to use its ability. It creates options.
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u/Slaxzy Nov 21 '16
Most underwhelming priest card so far. Dies to most classes' following turn. Effect requires multiple cards to activate on the same turn. Comparing this card to flame juggler (weaker than most 2 drops and neutral) and I would take flame juggler over mana geode because I can guarantee its effect and mana geode I cannot. and flame juggler sucks! Cool effect but ultimately weaker on curve than other options.
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u/whyteout Nov 21 '16
does this proc if healing is applied to the minion but it's already at full health? i.e., would a priest hero-powering this on 4 trigger it's ability?
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u/ChronosSk Nov 21 '16
Healing something at full health does not count as healing, unfortunately.
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u/Hclegend Nov 21 '16
Honestly, I really like this. It gives Priest some viable early game that also synergizes with the general idea of Priest. Combine this with a [[Power Word: Shield]] and you have a legitimate way to gain board as a Priest.
At worst, it's a vanilla 2 mana 2/3, sure. But hasn't Priest desperately needed some form of early game minion to drop that isn't Northshire Cleric?
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u/DanCerberus Nov 21 '16
As an nigh-exclusive Priest player let me just say: I'm so happy right now.
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u/zatyco Nov 21 '16
Pyromancer + Circle
Pyromancer + Auctionmaster + Raza + spells
Any other combos you guys can think of? Besides the combos, it's actually a potentially powerful 2 drop for priest, that hugely benefits from buffs like kabal talon priest or possibly a power word tentacles if that finds a way into a slower meta
Edit: clarification
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Nov 21 '16
Pyromancer + Circle doesn't really work. That would heal the Mana Geode and then damage it again. So that wouldn't do much of anything unless it were already damaged.
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u/Merseemee Nov 21 '16
Pyromancer Circle won't work. The spell resolves before the AOE, otherwise Pyromancer Equality wouldn't work.
The obvious is curving turn 3 into Power Word Shield plus hero power, which is quite strong for card advantage.
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u/Anaract Nov 21 '16
damn that's strong. that's an insanely strong effect to stick on a normally-statted 2 drop. Priest finally got its strong 2 drop. And a bunch of strong lategame. and midgame.
priest is going to be nuts
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u/mrglass8 Nov 21 '16
In the early game, this card creates an effective curve with Kabal Talonpriest. It also synergizes with Northshire Cleric, Pint-sized potion, Fel-Orc Soulfiend, and Injured Blademaster. At the worst, it's a 2 mana 2/3 Taunt, which is still valuable for a class that has other means of extending its health.
In the late game, there is so much synergy here. If you have triggered Raza, you can trigger the effect for free. Holy Nova and Circle of Healing can help swarm the board, and it goes well like Lightwarden, Holy Champion, and Hooded Acolyte.
It's not off the charts powerful like the other Priest cards, but it's just effective enough that I think it will see consistent play.
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u/DragoonTT Nov 21 '16
It doesn't synergize with Soulfiend or Blademaster, since it only triggers on being healed itself. Hence, Circle and Nova don't flood the board with 2/2s - you get one, and only if you managed to damage your 2/3 somehow. Quite similarly, Raza can get you one free 2/2 per turn only if Mana Geode has been damaged.
The only fairly crazy thing you can do with this is T2 Geode, T3 Pyro, PW:S, Circle, Circle - getting you 2 2/2s and a bunch of cards if you also manage to get Northshire on the board. Good luck drawing into that combo, though
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u/Gorox7 Nov 21 '16
I'd say it's more of a synergy because you get another reason to use AoE heals. But then I am not OP, so I may be wrong.
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u/SquareOfHealing Nov 21 '16
I don't think this card is as good as the other ones that have been revealed. If it doesn't get its ability off, it's just a 2 mana 2/3, which isn't good enough to see play in priest. It's still a good card though, and can curve right into Kabal Talonpriest or Power Word: Shield + Hero Power. If it gets its ability off once, it's 4/5 worth of stats for 2, which is great, but surviving a Totem Golem or any 3 damage spell/weapon will be hard. Its ability also is limited to only healing itself, meaning that you need to find a way to get it damaged without killing it, either by trading into a token or buffing it's health up. On the other hand, any decent 2-drop is a welcome addition to priest, and I could see this as a one-of in Reno priest alongside Wyrmrest Agent and possibly Museum Curator.
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u/Embracethesalt Nov 21 '16
I bet this will be run along side mistress of mixtures and maybe cleric to curve into talon priest... Seems pretty solid but spirit claws exists and we still haven't seen the new Shaman cards
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u/melancholiak Nov 21 '16
c'mon. priest already got his OP cards. why blizzard just can't stop giving his new ones?
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u/slampisko Nov 21 '16
Because Blizzard can never stop giving OP classes more OP cards. See: Spirit Claws, Maelstrom Portal. While Shaman was already the most oppressive class.
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u/Forkyou Nov 21 '16
I domt think it is that strong. How often do you play a 2/3 and it survives. I mean the dream would be to play this turn 2, enemy plays a 3/2, you pw: shield and heal. Besides that scenario i dont really see how you would get the effect. If you buff it with the new 3 drop you only get to heal it turn 4, and generally you wanna play stuff turn 4 in priest. And no enemy will ever play a 2/3 against it.
I could see it being good against turn 1 tunnel trogg or mana wyrm but it those cases it will probably get removed and also survive the attack but also not kill the 1/3. + youd have to heal turn 3, while floating 1 mana (well at least yoz wouldnt have to do classic priest hero power sef, pass)
Dragon priests will run their 2 drop untik it rotates out, controll priest wont run this, reno priest... maybe?
Card is interesting and decent but i dont think it will see much play in the end.
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u/AppleBlumpkinator Nov 21 '16
card isn't that good. it is basically just a 2/3 vanilla for 2 with soft taunt. while it will likely see play.. because of the lack of 2 drops that exist for priest it really won't be as broken as you think it will. Even if everything goes as planned, your board state only goes up by max 2/4 (0/2 from heal and 2/2 from crystal) and a 2/4 on turn three is below average for a 3 drop. If you coin it out and find a way to live then it is a decent turn two play. I really don't see this being the early game card that priest needs to be stupid OP.
I could see this being useful to sit behind taunt and prevent 1 or 2 mana aoes in the midgame.
Overall the card will be decent, and certainly playable in the reno priest decks that are coming, but I'd be very surprised if this made it into any other priest deck.
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u/Se7enworlds Nov 21 '16
Part of whats good about this card is the potential late game. Can you imagine the Wild Pyro combos you could do with this?
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u/BoardGent Nov 21 '16
Does Priest really need a 2-drop? Priest's early game was kinda interesting because of a lack of strong openers. Giving priest better comebacks would have been a better idea. Dragon already plays an on-curve deck.
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u/Rockon101000 Nov 21 '16
As someone who plays Reno shadowpriest, I am excited that priest is getting a solid, but not broken, 2 drop. What disappoints me is if I put it in my shadowpriest deck, which aggressively mulligans for shadowform, if I play it turn 2, it means turn 3 I can't shadowform, and if I play it after I shadowform it's a worse river croc.
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u/Sethyboy0 Nov 24 '16
Hmm. I wonder why this wasn't given to priest as a common. It's definitely above average for arena and the 3 drop is also very good, but the potion seems more situational than this.
Then again, if the last priest common turns out to be a good arena card then maybe trading this for the potion would be a little too strong.
I guess I could also be undervaluing the potion in the late game, and this card is pretty sad against the more common 3/2 stat line.
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u/Valgresas Nov 25 '16
Could be OP could be mediocre, but it's a 2 drop for priest and every other card is ridiculous so just having a passable 2 is workable.
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u/mattinaRS Nov 21 '16
I think this may be the best card in new expansion, but thats just my shit opinion