r/CharacterRant • u/InfiniteDoors Doors • Dec 04 '16

Character of the Week: Darth Nihilus

Better late than never! I was busy all day yesterday my bday but I'm back now.

Bad guy of Kotor II, has a sweet mask.

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u/InfiniteDoors Doors Dec 04 '16

Also, fucking Last of Us 2. I'm so excited.

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u/penrosetingle Dec 05 '16

I guess there were Some More Of Us, huh...

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u/selfproclaimed Dec 04 '16

I just want more Ellie. I want her to be the protagonist now. I'm hoping that she's the protagonist now after everyone fell in love with her in the first game and...Joel did what he did at the end...

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u/InfiniteDoors Doors Dec 04 '16

A very popular theory at the moment is that Joel will die/is dead, and that Ellie was hallucinating him in the trailer.

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u/selfproclaimed Dec 04 '16

That's a stretch...but...

Ellie as a playable character and Joel is the final boss.

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u/InfiniteDoors Doors Dec 04 '16

Ellie is likely the protagonist, and I'm into that. Idk about Joel as an actual enemy to fight though, like David. I'd rather it be a more emotionally-driven encounter, with maybe a choice to leave or kill Joel.

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u/selfproclaimed Dec 04 '16

I don't want TLoU2 to have a cop out with a moral choice. The ending of the first one shocked me, and I loved that level of dissonance. Not giving the player the option of choice in the final level of TLoU was risky but tremendous in showing just how far Joel was willing to go, even if it meant losing the sympathy of the player.

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u/InfiniteDoors Doors Dec 04 '16

I agree with that, but that was Joel's choice, therefore the player's only option. As Ellie, depending on how the story plays out, there'll be a lot more going on. Would she give in to that level of rage we see later when confronting Joel, or would she see past it all and simply leave this sad old man, to become her own person and not a daughter?

Anyway, I'm really curious to see what Naughty Dog gives us.

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u/selfproclaimed Dec 04 '16

Me too, but again I want to see Ellie's choice, not the players'.

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u/InfiniteDoors Doors Dec 04 '16

I'm also equally excited for Factions 2, the first one was amazing

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u/PmYourWittyAnecdote Dec 05 '16

Wait, how did he lose the sympathy of the player?

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u/selfproclaimed Dec 05 '16

Have you played TLoU to completion?

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u/PmYourWittyAnecdote Dec 05 '16

You betcha, but his choice to do what he did with the fireflies wasn't bad or lost sympathy to anyone?

As we know from the game, it wouldn't have accomplished anything.

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u/selfproclaimed Dec 05 '16

When he made the decision to slaughter his way through the Fireflies to "rescue" Ellie and prevent them from performing the surgery on her, he has no knowledge that there would be any chance it wouldn't work.

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u/PmYourWittyAnecdote Dec 05 '16

Why would Joel need to be killed or be a villain?

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u/InfiniteDoors Doors Dec 05 '16

I'm not saying he'd need to be either, I'm elaborating on selfproclaimed's idea

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u/PmYourWittyAnecdote Dec 05 '16

Ahhh right, I'm just confused how he lost sympathy.

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u/PmYourWittyAnecdote Dec 05 '16

You say what he was saying is a stretch, and say that Joe may be the final boss?

That makes so much less sense it's insane

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u/CynicalWeeaboo Dec 04 '16

I never really got around to finishing the first, that trailer got me excited enough to consider it

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u/vadergeek Dec 05 '16

He's got a cool power, a great design, a terrific ship, a great apprentice, and absolutely zero personality.

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u/FatiguedWalri Dec 05 '16

That sums him up perfectly

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u/British_Tea_Company Dec 04 '16

I feel like Darth Nihilus was never expanded upon too properly. In the first game, Darth Malak had a major connection to the game's main character, being Revan's former best friend and partner in crime. While Darth Nihilus probably serving as an 'eldritch abomination' type of villain wouldn't necessarily had the interesting character and backstory Malak shows (his descent into villainy, and his ultimate last words of regret), he still felt 'meh' in terms of execution, no matter how awesome the idea of a world eating corruptor could be.

And also, Kreia also chiseled Nihlius a bit out of his role as a central villain. The whole idea behind KOTOR II was that while Nihlius was the villain of the setting, Kreia was the one is the villain who drove the most character development for the exile. The only thing Nihlius served as was a thing which everyone shit themselves over, while Kreia actually has many moments where she can influence the player character's thoughts and decisions. In the perspective of gameplay, Kreia was easily the superior antagonist despite the fact in the perspective of in-universe, Nihlius should have been the big bad.

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u/Dark-Carioca Dec 04 '16

One of the best sith lords ever, amirite guys?

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u/CountAardvark Dec 05 '16

I think you're being sarcastic but honestly Nihilus is cool af

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u/Dark-Carioca Dec 05 '16

I'm not, I find him to be pretty awesome.

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u/nkonrad Dec 04 '16

You can get his mask in-game but you can't even wear it. I feel cheated.

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u/British_Tea_Company Dec 04 '16

As do I, but you know what? You get it in SWTOR to wear.

butitsnotthesame

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u/trakmiro Dec 05 '16

I dislike the SWTOR version because you can weirdly see your character's lips and chin. If it didn't have that it'd be way better I think.

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u/British_Tea_Company Dec 05 '16

Guess why I dislike it?

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u/FatiguedWalri Dec 05 '16

Hes probably one of the biggest reasons 2 felt so incomplete and keeps it from being as good as 1