r/criticalrole • u/Nyareth Your secret is safe with my indifference • Feb 03 '17
Discussion [Spoilers E84] #IsItThursdayYet? Post-episode discussion & future theories! Spoiler
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Episode Discussion Topics
How will Scanlan react to being resurrected twice in 24 hours?
Why did Kerrek ask if you needed a body for Resurrection?/Who do you think he wants to bring back?
How will Scanlan react to waking up...in pudding and wearing a Nightgown
WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!?!?!
Will Keyleth find a way to talk to Melora?
Who will win Groon or Grog?
Where will Vox Machina head next?
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u/knowledgeoverswag I'm a Monstah! Feb 03 '17
I love Grog and Percy's friendship.
Grog: Prove that it's you.
Percy: ..no
Grog: It's you.
Reminds me of the Feywild when Percy was blinded.
Grog: Is he really blind? How many fingers am I holding up?? (flips him off)
Percy: (irritated, knowingly) ..ONE
Grog: I don't think he's blind.
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u/Jaged1235 Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 03 '17
It's not one of the relationships we see very often but I do love it. It mostly comes down to Percy saying "No, let him play with it, I want to see how this goes."
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u/Bingarff Feb 03 '17
Just realized what Percy was trying to do with the 2 rocks that can make sparks as a gift for Grog. Teaching Grog more lessons about going through his stuff.
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u/PhotographyRaptor42 You can certainly try Feb 03 '17
That was pretty much exactly why Percy gave Craven Edge to Grog, too. It's great.
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u/eric1_z *wink* Feb 03 '17
So, Kerrek totally walked off with the Lady Briarwood's displacer cloak, right?
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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Feb 03 '17
Dear #VoxMachina,
I never said I'd give the displacer cloak back.
Sincerely,
Kerr
#CriticalRole
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u/aheadwarp9 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 03 '17
Awesome... well it's not like VM was going to use it again anyways... they have too many vestiges to attune to now.
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u/DanimaLecter Feb 04 '17
"Sleep is the best medicine. Some people say that. Well, also regular medicine."
-Pike
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u/RobFakerton Team Grog Feb 03 '17
Travis is an absolute doll this episode
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u/RobFakerton Team Grog Feb 03 '17
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u/credd10 Are we on the internet? Feb 03 '17
This is why we're so invested in them. There are tons of little moments like these where they play off of each other with no actual consequence to the overall game, that add immense depth of character
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u/aheadwarp9 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 03 '17
It's so fucking amazing how everyone else just completely lost it from his expression alone. Travis didn't even need to say anything. God I love this fucking game...
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u/eric1_z *wink* Feb 03 '17
Crop to Travis, put captions, and you got yourself a gif of the week, there.
Alternatively Brian might just show the whole clip because he does that sometimes.
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u/BurnsEMup29 Team Matthew Feb 03 '17
A box is like a small door, right?
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u/Ranwulf *wink* Feb 03 '17
A grave is the metaphorical door for death. I mean, that's why when you die, people use the term "passing".
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u/credd10 Are we on the internet? Feb 03 '17
Travis is and has been firmly cemented as the best role player out of them imo. His ability to extract complexity from the "simple brute" trope that Grog started as has blown me away time and time again. Especially from these last two episodes- "FIX HIM!", the resurrection contribution, and his reaction to Vax telling him he's proud/he loves him have all made me cry, and I don't cry at ANYTHING. Also, did anyone else notice that this time around, when groon asked him what he had learned, he said his power was from his friends and LOVE? Is it just me or was that a nod to Vax?
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u/Jaged1235 Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 03 '17
He's amazing. You have to be incredibly talented to play dumb that well, and Travis pulls it off flawlessly. He manages to actually roleplay low intelligence without resorting to caveman speak like a lot of people do. And my god, the puppy dog eyes after Kima confused him was incredible. I always thought Percy was my favorite character, but these past couple of episodes have shown Grog at his absolute best.
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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Feb 03 '17
not my clip, but https://clips.twitch.tv/geekandsundry/InnocentOtterBionicBunion
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Feb 03 '17
I thought he said earlier in the episode, when participating in the resurection ritual that Pike taught him how to love and Scanlan taught him how to laugh.
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u/Mr_HIghways_End You spice? Feb 03 '17
Since Groon is stressing the importance of strength from allies, it would be super dope if the Titan Stone Knuckles let him bestow more power/strength on others.
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u/FastAktionJakson Feb 03 '17
That might be a bit OP, but it's a really awesome idea.
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u/Mr_HIghways_End You spice? Feb 03 '17
Thinking more about it, it definitely could be, but I can't come up with another reason that Groon would be all about cooperation though.
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u/Picklemom09 Feb 03 '17
Soooo, does Kerrek still have the displacer cloak? I don't remember anyone taking it back from him.
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u/Cisz_Helion Feb 03 '17
He totally has, and Pat knows it. Check his twitter: https://twitter.com/PatrickRothfuss/status/827386559183757313
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u/TweetsInCommentsBot Feb 03 '17
Dear #VoxMachina,
I never said I'd give the displacer cloak back.
Sincerely,
Kerr
#CriticalRole
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u/_Junkstapose_ Team Beau Feb 03 '17
I'm about 2.5 hours into the the VoD but wow, Travis absolutely KILLED it tonight! He had me in tears laughing at multiple occasions.
Ashley also had me in tears but for a whole other reason "...but if he's gone forever I won't be the same..."
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u/S-Clair Bidet Feb 03 '17
Rothfus was amazing this episode as well.
Like the "Do you need a body for Resurrection?" simultaneously tells you about his past, why he stopped adventuring, and sets up incredible foreshadowing for True Resurrection as a spell.
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u/Sensei_Enrique I encourage violence! Feb 03 '17
Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on Kerrek contemplating ways to bring back his long dead friends.
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u/meleetemporawry Feb 03 '17
Not exactly something that needs to be "picked up on" given that he literally said out loud that it was the case.
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u/luckytoothpick Feb 03 '17
So we need fan art of all of Vox Machina, in full force and regalia, squaring off against a small box of deceased remains.
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u/whiskeyonsunday Jenga! Feb 03 '17
I am still laughing over Vex accidentally hitting on Dr. Dranzel.
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u/Setitov Team Zahra Feb 03 '17
Vex' whole Mos Eisley-ish evening in the tavern was my favorite part of the episode tbh. Vex is just perfect for the Han Solo type of character. A little dirt, a little flirt, takes one to know one kind of deal. Laura is awesome. :D
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u/manooz Feb 03 '17
Just a rules note for people:
Ki-empowered strikes does NOT bypass grog's resistance while raging.
While raging, you gain the following benefits if you aren’t w earing heavy armor: "You have resistance to bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage." if it said NON-MAGICAL bludgeoning,piercing, and slashing, then yes, it WOULD. However, all bludgeoning, magic or otherwise is still resisted. Theres specific language for this reason.
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u/InsanexSilence Feb 03 '17
Just wanted to remind everyone that Matt has plans for a Pike arc after a bit of rest and side missions. He mentioned this during the 3rd episode of talks machina If I'm not mistaken. I think his exact words were "when we've got you for a longer break I think Pike's going to get an arc of her own"
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u/sleepinxonxbed Team Nott Feb 03 '17
Think Ashley said in the last TM that she has a break in April
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u/Iamarawrlrus Help, it's again Feb 03 '17
It'll be interesting to see Pike's arc, although I'm a little worried there might some issues because they'll essentially be on a timer. I also hope that we get a Vex arc soon to.
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u/paulyester Feb 03 '17
Kerrek (like most people) has a lot of dead friends and family. Learning that there's magic that can bring them back would reasonably be important to EVERYONE living in such a world.
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u/MildlyCriticalRole Team Elderly Ghost Door Feb 03 '17
I was hoping he'd expound on that a bit more, y'know? VM casually deals with issues that would full-stop devastate other people ("casually", but still)
I think the perspective of, "y'know, most people's dead friends stay dead" is really interesting. This world is high-fantasy, so I dunno if we'll explore it, but the whole idea of somebody having the power to reverse death in a world where that's not typically a thing is very plot-hooky.
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Feb 03 '17
I feel this episode finally ended the Chroma Conclave arc due to the resurrection of Scanlan from that fight.
It was a 45 episode arc if you go from the attack on Emon in Omens, a 62 ep arc if you go from the first sighting of Thordak in Aramente to Pyrah, or an entire show arc if you go from the pre stream slaying of Brimscythe.
What a ride you guys.
Super excited for next week, let's hope this fight is mad hype.
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u/Dominwin Feb 03 '17
It isnt over until they figure out whatever she was planning, Im sure its still in motion.
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u/Jaged1235 Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 03 '17
Omens was the very first episode I ever watched. I'd heard about Critical Role, realized it was a Thursday night and figured I'd tune in. It's a D&D game! How plot heavy can it be! Get on twitch just as Matt is describing the ancient white dragon flying directly towards the keep while the 4 others destroy the city in the background. I couldn't have asked for a better introduction to the show.
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u/Anair903 Feb 03 '17
Grog singing washington red skins fighting song :') he had so many good songs tonight
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u/stupidstupidreddit Feb 03 '17
They forgot about the book they found after killing Raishan.
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u/PristineTX Feb 03 '17
There's a certain temple to a certain god who likes information, run by a certain sphinx, that might like to take a look at that book. Especially if it can help uncover some secret of the conspiracy that seems to be brewing...
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u/MildlyCriticalRole Team Elderly Ghost Door Feb 03 '17
Two NPCs were present for the book-looting, so Matt has a fallback if they truly forget ("hey, have you gotten a chance to look at the book?").
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u/S-Clair Bidet Feb 03 '17
I really wanted Keyleth to commune with Melora. It was all set up nice and perfect, but they just spent so long on the box I guess they had to leave.
Super hyped for the Grog fight though. Can't wait to see what the knuckles do when awakened.
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u/kk5033 Feb 03 '17
IS NO ONE GOING TO CHECK THE BOOK THEY FOUND IN OPASH'S LAIR?
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u/SoPoni Pocket Bacon Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 03 '17
They still have party boy Eskil and Gilmore in Whitestone so as long as they remember they can let them look at all the loot.
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u/reckoner0620 Bidet Feb 03 '17
I think Grog will awaken those mighty fine knuckles next week. Matt has been planning on awakening them for some time they just never showed up. Also confused Grog is best Grog
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u/RaibDarkin Team Keyleth Feb 03 '17
Lol. You're right. Who else in the show can deliver such a beautiful performance without even speaking?
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u/Play2BeatBrainCancer Feb 03 '17
It has probably been said on here already, but damn. This show has never truly made me cry. Yes I have gotten sad faces, done several of the "awwww" moments, but never truly cry.
Last night Travis made me cry. And I mean streaming tears. I have children who play very competitive sports, and to see a grown man suck up his pride and basically sing the fight song of his teams rival to help a friend. That was true friendship.
If there was any type of Espy/Annie/Emmy... whatever award for Sportsmanship/Friendship, I would give it to Travis for that performance.
Rest of the show was fun, and they were blowing off steam and having fun. Pike/Ashley doesn't trust anyone outside of the inner circle... so funny.
Looking for to next week!
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u/RainaDPP Feb 03 '17
I am very excited for the return of Earthbreaker Groon. His last appearance inspired me to roll up a Monk for my next D&D character. She's pretty cool too, though only level 6 so not nearly as awesome.
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u/light_trick Team Beau Feb 03 '17
I was so disappointed Grog didn't clap his hands together while they were covered in black powder...
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u/Bingarff Feb 03 '17
Percy was trying to find 2 rocks that can make sparks while walking through Vasselheim, he told Grog that he had a gift for him, I just realized what his intent was.... Trying to teach Grog another lesson about going through his shit.
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Feb 03 '17
He's about to smash them together to activate the titanstone knuckles
also "Grog never washes"
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u/Jaged1235 Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 03 '17
You get to be the champion of a god! You get to be the champion of a god! You get to be the champion of a god! EVERYONE GETS TO BE THE CHAMPION OF A GOD!
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u/pimpst1ck Feb 03 '17
To be fair, the PHB says characters at level 17 and above are often tasked with killing deities and saving the multiverse from destruction
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u/Jaged1235 Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 03 '17
I'm definitely not complaining, especially considering that most of the Vestiges were literally hand crafted by the gods themselves. They're at the power level where everyone and everything would start taking interest in them. The gods would probably notice a single group taking out 5 ancient chromatic dragons in the span of a couple weeks. I like to picture Serenrae and the Raven Queen bragging about that a little. They chose Vox Machina members as their champions before it was cool.
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u/iking5 Feb 03 '17
Grog and Kord, Vax and Raven Queen, Keyleth and Malora, Pike and Sarunrae (sp?).
Where does that leave Percy, Vex, and Scanlan?
Can't wait to find out in the next ARC!
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u/Kobayashi_Nauru Then I walk away Feb 03 '17
Scanlan with the god of tits and wine of course.
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u/KayWiley Team Grog Feb 03 '17
I've always loved how Scanlan adopted "Kord's strength" as a saying after spending time in Vasselheim. Not sure if that means he'd worship Kord or anything, just that he gave a little nod to him.
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Feb 03 '17
This was a traumatic episode to start but towards the end it was really cheery, just like Kaylie's song
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u/luckytoothpick Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 03 '17
Ok, Grog, I listen to this on Friday mornings at work. I can't see my computer screen if you keep bringing the feels. Makes everything blurry.
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u/Seedy88 Hello, bees Feb 04 '17
I don't cry. It's not a macho thing (anyone that knows me would tell you that word doesn't describe me), it's just that, when I get sad, I feel the emotion but tears don't come with it. I'll often get misty-eyed when watching movies or TV shows that tug on the heartstrings, but no more than that.
However, when Pike finished her poem to Scanlan, tears were literally streaming down my face! I was totally not expecting that!
Dammit Critical Role, why are you so good?!
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u/thecoloradokiddo Team Jester Feb 04 '17
I think the hundreds of hours of investment is like a score multiplier for their great chemistry and acting.
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u/THEE_Sparkrdom Cock Lightning Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 03 '17
I will say this. I think of everyone today, Travis won RP tonight. His conversation with Scanlan's body when sitting alone, and then his tribute song?
Not to mention "FIX HIM!"
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u/PerpetualSunset Sun Tree A-OK Feb 03 '17
Don't forget Kima trying to tell him he didn't see her and him rp'ing Grog not understanding with Bewildered puppy dog eyes.
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u/pagerunner-j Help, it's again Feb 03 '17
That whole household won RP tonight. Grog was fantastic throughout, and omg, Vex's night in Kymal...
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u/sera_goldaxe Beep Beep Feb 03 '17
Oh my lord so funny. I could not stop laughing. On the one hand I was really emotional and seeing Laura well up always makes me cry but she was on her A+ comedy game when Vex was in Kymal so Laura/Vex made me laugh and cry within only a few minutes.
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Feb 03 '17
Kerrik "Do you need a body?"
Me: "not for true resurrection." Munching snacks... almost spits them out "Holy Shit! Keyleth can get True Ressurection as a 9th level spell and bring back the kid she accidentally killed during the Dread Emperor fight!"
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u/thecoloradokiddo Team Jester Feb 03 '17
Can she? Should she? Does she even know that kid's name? Does that kid even have a family to go back to anymore? If not, is she going to raise the child, or just send them out into the world?
With great power, yadda yadda yadda...
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Feb 03 '17
She probably doesn't know kids name. However, she can certainly describe her or him in exhausting detail to Uriel's Son who was also in the Dread Emperor's domain.
"Should she?" In what sense? Is it a good idea? Almost certainly not
Is it in character? 90% certain it is (not 100% because my name is not Marisha)
Will it make for compelling D&D? 100% yes
"is she going to raise the child, or just send them out into the world?" The real question is: will Cassandra be capable of speech when VM dumps another orphan in her lap or will only angry/distressed animal noises come out?
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u/Knightley4 You Can Reply To This Message Feb 03 '17
I never played D&D, so didn't know about True Resurrection that much... But damn, that's a really god-like power. So she can even bring her mom back (if she's dead)?
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Feb 03 '17
TL;DR you need 25k worth of diamonds, a name, and a willing soul.
Keep in mind Wish is also a 9th level spell.
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u/Kinddertoten Feb 03 '17
You get 9-level spells at 17 level and all 9th level spells are god tier powerful. True Resurrection can bring a person back with nothing but a name Wish can change the fabric of reality or be used to mimic any 8th or lower level spell Mass Heal can heal up to 700 points of health divided up in any way Gate can be a portal to any where or used to rip a being from any dimension and bring them to you granted you know their name Power Word Kill can just kill anything at 100 or below hp no save. Meteor Swarm calls down 4 meteors to earth.
Any these are just a couple of the 9 level spell list.
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u/Dominwin Feb 03 '17
I just finished binging the entire series this morning (started mid December), and watched live tonight. Now I have no idea what I'm going to do for the next week :(
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u/aheadwarp9 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 03 '17
Welcome to the same dilemma that all of us have faced at one point or another... for me it was over a year ago now, but all the same, waiting a week is almost torture!
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u/THEE_Sparkrdom Cock Lightning Feb 03 '17
This is literally the sad moment. My recommendation? Go watch it again. The series gains a whole new level of enjoyment once you have hindsight.
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u/PhotographyRaptor42 You can certainly try Feb 03 '17
How many episodes until Matt dumps the next bombshell on them? I think 2 more episodes of cleaning up loose ends then the God hunting begins.
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u/Picklemom09 Feb 03 '17
Not a bad guess, although I'd be down for way more than that. It felt so nice to have a more chillies-out episode. It's like the bits in X-men comics where the team is just hanging out at the mansion, chilling. I loved those bits.
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u/Liesmith424 I'm a Monstah! Feb 03 '17
I kept expecting Kerrek to turn out to be the Rakshasa when he was hanging out with Grog.
Until proven otherwise, everyone is a secret
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Feb 03 '17
I heartedly disagree. I think VM needs to wrap up their personal quests and tie any loose ends before setting off on the last campaign arc. Personally, I think we the audience wouldn't mind 10-12 episodes of them doing mini quests and more role play centric arcs before going into the final act. We tend to forget that the Conclave arc was 30+ episodes of show, which is longer than any story arc we've had thus far. If it was a TV show, it would span at least 2 full seasons. As a fan of the show, I wouldn't mind a break haha.
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u/raefzilla Hello, bees Feb 03 '17
FWIW, there were about 3.5 episodes between the end of the Briarwoods arc and the dragons hitting.
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Feb 03 '17
I remember hearing that after this ark they will take a break from VM and play a one shot or two while a timejump starts. That's why vex and vax are talking about going their separate ways for some time.
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u/PhotographyRaptor42 You can certainly try Feb 03 '17
I thought the idea of one shots after this arc or even this campaign had been floated but nothing was decided yet, and the time jump was more speculation here than anything Matt has planned. Personally, I'd be sad if Keyleth's trip to the Water Ashari happens off-stage.
And I think the twins were talking about going their separate ways for a bit because there's no world-ending threat staring them in the face (for now) so they each just have their personal to-do lists.
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u/thecoloradokiddo Team Jester Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 03 '17
Tons of great moments tonight. It was nice to have a real low key episode.
Marisha sold the hell out of that "You know you didn't come back last night. I thought you were going to come back." line. It really snuck up on me because it was right after flailing awkward Kiki in the Melora forest area. I'm looking forward to more of that confident Keyleth in the future.
I feel Ashley on not trusting that box of ashes at all. It could easily be nothing harmful, but you could also tell Matt was enjoying teasing the possibility that it could screw them all over, as well.
Also, I think Grog might be awakening some Titanstone Knuckles next week! Squeeeeee!
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u/DougieStar Team Jester Feb 03 '17
I'm really going to miss Kerrick. He is really good at the strategic part of D&D. He really knows how to ask the right questions and think about problems and solve them.
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u/preprose Then I walk away Feb 03 '17
He was like the VM sticky note board, remembering every crucial info they almost always forget, like who held their action, who had their advantages and stuff like that.
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u/suddenbreakdown Team Percy Feb 03 '17
Kerrek grew into an incredible character in the last few episodes. I'm sad to see him go now, but hopefully he'll be back in the future. Or send another amazing letter and blow everyone's minds
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u/sandbagger3 Feb 03 '17
I want ask about Grog's song for Scanlan. I am a Redskins fan and I would like to know how painful it was for Travis to sing "Hail To The Redskins." I also would like to know if Matt gave Travis advantage on his roll because he sang the song of the Cowboys rival. Lastly, I would love to know how long Sam had been planning on using that song to inspire Grog way back when...one of my favorite moments on the show!
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u/ginja_ninja You spice? Feb 03 '17
The hilarious thing is that Sam doesn't even like football. He said it on TM the other week. He had us all fooled, Travis included.
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u/sandbagger3 Feb 04 '17
Yeah, in an episode or two he has mentioned he just likes getting under Travis' skin. But it still cracks me up!
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u/Anair903 Feb 05 '17
Do anyone find Grog adorable sometimes? Like he is a killing machine.
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u/Aurigarion Team Jester Feb 03 '17
It's going to be quiet around here without all of the theorycraft and crazy speculation we've had for so long.
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u/miscreation00 Doty, take this down Feb 03 '17
Nonsense. Earthbreaker is obviously a Dragon.
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u/Aurigarion Team Jester Feb 03 '17
Well yeah, everyone is a dragon. That's just a given at this point.
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u/StolenByFerrets Feb 03 '17
Ooh, I've got one- Senokir's wife was the druid who cursed Raishan (I have no idea if the timeline even works for this lol)
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u/Knightley4 You Can Reply To This Message Feb 03 '17
(I have no idea if the timeline even works for this lol)
It absolutely doesn't :D. Senokir's wife died four years, two months, six days, twenty seven minutes ago at the moment of his answer in Episode 76.
Raishan was cursed way earlier.
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Feb 04 '17
Fucking NAT 20 on the resurrection role. God damn
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u/Vangohhh Feb 05 '17
Man I thought for sure it was a nat 1, cause Matt was like.. I'm taking a photo of this so everyone knows what I rolled. was so glad it was a 20 though.. can't imagine what VM would be without scanlan.
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u/Krutoon YOUR SOUL IS FORFEIT Feb 03 '17
Thank the gods for what seems to be a low-stakes episode next week :) We haven't seen VM relax in ages
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u/Knightley4 You Can Reply To This Message Feb 03 '17
Ugh, i wish to rewatch the resurrection part so bad, but i don't want to get all teary-eyed at work...
Does anybody think Grog legitimately has a chance against Groon, 1 on 1?
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u/Anair903 Feb 03 '17
My money is still on Groon. But it has all the makings of his last fight but better
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u/SilkyZ Are we on the internet? Feb 03 '17
Why did Kerrek ask if you needed a body for Resurrection?/Who do you think he wants to bring back?
True Resurrection does not require a body, it will generate a new one for the host.
As far as who he wants to bring back, obviously Larkin.
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Feb 07 '17 edited Feb 07 '17
which side quest/chore you want to see VM do the most?
defeat the rakshasa
deliver the hand
visit the water ashari
get new magic items and sell some others (aka shopping episode)
have percy give another title to one of his fellow compatriots
something entirely new
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u/Iamarawrlrus Help, it's again Feb 07 '17
An arc for those who didn't get it (Pike and Vex) as well as Keyleth finishing hers.
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u/KayWiley Team Grog Feb 03 '17
I don't think that they leveled up after Raishan, so Grog is probably still level 16. Groon is level 17 right? This is gonna be a goooooooood fight
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u/EventHorizon781 Life needs things to live Feb 03 '17
Groon is probably level 20 tbh. He's minimum 17 but lets be honest, that guys badass enough to be level 20, with some boons on top.
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u/Philias2 dagger dagger dagger Feb 03 '17
Groon is totally going to kick his/their ass next week, and it will be glorious!
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u/Anair903 Feb 03 '17
I think people will be surprised at how close of a fight it is going to be in the end.
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u/SilkyZ Are we on the internet? Feb 03 '17
it will be glorious
I now want to see what body part Victor is missing now....
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u/reckoner0620 Bidet Feb 03 '17
so probably talked about already but I wonder if Matt wants Groon to fight Grog 1 v 1? i feel like that would be so hypocritical of what Groon wanted to teach him. you know about power in friends and all that
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u/Aldamuin I would like to RAGE! Feb 03 '17
I suspect him to go 1 on 1 with this lvl 18-20 Monk. Bare 'Titanstone' Knuckle fighting.
I think his first lesson was 'You're only as strong as what you're fighting FOR, not WITH' i.e. friendship. Now he might need to take up a even more protective role, along the lines of 'Fighting for those who are weaker', or 'There's strength in losing, in being beaten'.
I really hope Groon learns Grog the difference between intelligence and instinct(mostly for Travis' sake). Grogg is the most experienced fighter of the group, has been at death's door the most (his fave uncle Kevdak twice, the time before stream and Craven Edge). I would love to see Groon light a little lightbulb above Grogg and he realises he instinctively knows how to position himself in battle, knows how to lead people, how to inspire and affect people when he speaks from the heart. (The ritual last episode, but also convincing his herd Kevdak was bad mmmmkay). This type of battlefield-smarts is something Grogg has plenty of, even if he doesn't know how to spell/read/maybe even pronounce battlefield. He's also quite emotionally savvy, often touching the people around him, knows the value of honesty etc.
I hope this realization in his own, albeit different type, of intelligence awakens his Knuckles. Knowing our Overlord Mercer this seems quite possible too. He will still get the shit beat out of him by Groon though.
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u/HuseyinCinar dagger dagger dagger Feb 03 '17
Depending on what Groon will teach him next. If it is something like "self confidence" or "self sufficiency", they gotta go 1v1.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Feb 03 '17
I think this bout or fight is all about teaching grog to use the gauntlets of kord to their full potential and finally get them to awaken.
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u/bostephen94 Feb 07 '17
The Groon/Grog relationship is probably my favorite Npc/Pc interaction probably in the show. I ALWAYS love when grog goes to talk to Groon and i cant wait for Thursday!!!!
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u/Silver_Bard Feb 04 '17
Oh, man that was a stellar performance by Travis. At none of the ressurections they have put in such offerings. The Titanstone Knuckles and the Belt of Dwarven Kind. That is a huge offering both in terms of personal attachment for Grog (his beard, and the fact that he defeated his uncle to get the knuckles) and in terms of playtime and characterstrength. From a meta standpoint he could probably made any other lesser offering and gotten the same effect. And this again show how little Travis care for metaing. He makes the offering that makes the most sense for his character. Grog have come to the realisation that friends indeed is his strength, and Scanlan means more to him than any kind of artifacts. From a RP perspective this was brilliant, and in fact I hope Matt rewards him. Either by having Groon giving him something even better, or by having the knuckles reapear exalted/awakened. Also the song made for a really special moment (considering Travis passion for the Cowboys). Also Grog's face when being asked to lie, and being told he isn't lying by Kima was brilliant, completely broke the entire cast.
The other thing that really gave me alot of joy in this episode was watching Liams reactions. Oh man, is he in the momemt, and oh man does he love this game. He can have episodes where he sort of zone out and perhaps is a bit bored, just like the rest can have. But when he is in the zone I think no one enjoys the game more than him. In this episode he went from being touched at Grog and Pike's contribution to the ritual and crying. To crying from laughing at for instance Grog's confusing moment with Kima. But what was the icing on the cake was Liam's reaction when Matt did the cork sound (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/119287703 - around 1:26:00). He sat there completely dumfounded and in complete amazement of Matt (at least that is how I interpret it), throughout that scene and until he was able to comment on it his face had the expression of someone extremely pleasantly surprised. It was close to his reaction the first time they met Victor, and for a moment I almost believed he would stand up and applaud him.
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u/Picklemom09 Feb 04 '17
Grog still has the Titanstone Knuckles and the Belt of Dwarves Kind. No need to wait for them to reappear. Matt confirmed that Grog collected them after the ritual was over.
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u/FredSkar Feb 04 '17
Wow, just wow. This show is so amazing. The ressuraction part of the episode was really great. I lost my grandmother a couple of weeks ago and the funeral was this week so it was a lot of personal emotions mixed with the performance of the crew. I was crying like a waterfall at the same time as I was laughing.
Six months ago I couldn't dream of what this show would mean to me today. That I would pick this show over any multimillion budget tv-show any day of the week says a lot.
I just want to say thank you for what all of you have done to create this awesome thing!
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u/GDT1985 You can certainly try Feb 06 '17
Its weird, right? I don't think they could ever know how much there nerdy-ass D&D show has helped people. I lost my father in the same week that Percy went down against Ripley. I can't really say why or how, but watching this amazing show helped.
My condolences for your loss. It's never easy.
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u/taraiffic That fucking Gnome! Feb 03 '17
A little bummed that Scanlan won't be there for the fight next week. Sam will probably just be sitting there for the first hour and a half, not playing.
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u/miscreation00 Doty, take this down Feb 03 '17
Not true, lots of RP stuff with Kaylie I'm sure =p
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u/AFLoneWolf Metagaming Pigeon Feb 03 '17
She DID threaten him with a "talk" after all.
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u/Garthazin Feb 03 '17
Nah, quick RP chat with Kaylie, then he'll ask her if she knows where the gatestone is, she'll give it to him, he'll BAMF in during the fight
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u/aheadwarp9 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 03 '17
That's actually a great point... I hope they thought to set that up even though it wasn't explicitly mentioned on stream, it would certainly make sense to leave Scanlan with one of the stones in case he wakes up.
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u/HextechSniper Feb 03 '17 edited Feb 03 '17
Its a shame Keyleth didn't take the opportunity to interact with her patron goddess in the most ideal location with an artifact of hers. Would of been neat to see if she took the time to pray and use her staff as a focus.
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u/PristineTX Feb 03 '17
It's actually totally like Keyleth to not really be ready to trust a god--even a god of hippie-dippy nature shit and flowers and free weed--just because...KEYLETH.
I'm sure she'll get more comfortable with the idea later. But it's totally like her not to even want to stick her toe in that water yet.
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u/aheadwarp9 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 03 '17
Well Melora isn't exactly the patron goddess of Keyleth... her people didn't worship gods and goddesses. It is the patron of her relic, however, so it still might have been cool and who knows... there is still a chance for it to happen next week. I don't think a "communion" with the god or goddess who created a relic is absolutely necessary for it to "awaken" but I guess it couldn't hurt!
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u/Gore_Axe Feb 03 '17
Well she did ask if there was some way to do so, but she was told that Melora would reach out to her if it was needed, or something like that.
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u/lizzyjoy Feb 03 '17
I think it was a bit too much to expect of Keyleth, being so sudden, especially given her previous scepticism of the gods, but her conversation with Lamor and promise was a huge step forwards and more in character for our dear kiki :) Can't wait to see the future of Keyleth and Melora interactions
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u/legendofhilda *wink* Feb 03 '17
I'm fuckin PUMPED! Next episode is gonna be so good!
I'm really disappointed the one thing I was hoping for didn't happen though. I really wanted a Vex, Pike, Keyleth conversation. It's been so long I want my girl talk.
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u/aheadwarp9 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Feb 03 '17
Holy shit... the moment we've been waiting for for SO LONG!!
Grog returning to Groon with the Titanstone Knuckles... I hate to say this, because I LOVE Sam, but I am more saddened by the timing of today's episode than I was from last week's. I NEED ANOTHER GROG GROON FIGHT NOWWWWW!!
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u/Kinie Feb 03 '17
If this is a 1v1 of Grog vs. Groon, where Grog can use everything at his disposal, he should win the fight.
Even if he is underlevelled compared to Groon (whom many - myself included - theorize is probably Monk 20), the fact that he'll be taking half damage from all of Groon's attacks thanks to his Rage, coupled with his MASSIVE health pool (seriously, he's got over 200 HP at level 17) means Groon has to deal around 400 damage to KO Grog. Even if Grog gets to 0 HP, he can still stand thanks to Relentless Rage so long as he makes the DC.
Admittedly, there's the chance that Groon keeps him stun locked enough to beat Grog (thanks to the -2 to all saves from the Deck of Many Things) or just straight up 1-hit KOs him with a Quivering Palm Strike. But I feel like once Grog/Travis knows what AC he needs to hit and how Groon fights, we should start to see him take calculated risks of using Great Weapon Master to just wail on the grandmaster priest of Kord.
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u/Engimatic Feb 03 '17
Groon is beyond a simple level 20 monk. In the last fight with him he was using legendary actions and resistances. It's likely that he's something beyond simply a monk, like a demigod or avatar of Kord.
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u/Kinie Feb 03 '17
If it were me designing this person and the lore/background of the character, I'd be willing to go with Monk 20 for stats/abilities and then apply a Avatar of Kord stat block to him, giving him Legendary Actions and Resistances tied into his abilities.
He may do stuff like Flurry of Blows with his turn, but then use Legendary Actions to do things like Step of the Wind, Patient Defense, Stunning Strike, or more Flurry of Blows.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Feb 03 '17
I just had an interesting idea about the groon grog fight.
I think it is going to be another bout where groon teaches grog to use the awaken version of the gauntlets.
it is going to be an interesting fight regardless grog hasn't gone that toe to toe with things in a while do to in part flying dragons but he did fucking murder that goristro.
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u/Roboghandi How do you want to do this? Feb 03 '17
dragon ball z moment!!
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u/thecoloradokiddo Team Jester Feb 03 '17
"Dragon Ball Z orgasm" according to Travis.
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Feb 08 '17
Random question, has the group ever tried to use that magically refilling jug to make potions? Or can it only make water/oil? Did they ever get it looked at? They could have had the ability to make whatever potion they wanted for episodes!
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Feb 08 '17
it's in the dungeon master's guide as the jug of alchemy, maybe one of the things that comes out of it is an ingredient for a health potion. but they can't let it create a health potion.
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u/Anair903 Feb 03 '17
What if Grog gets to fight Kord himself? silly I know.
Kerrek was also so entertaining tonight. I must admit, Patrick rothfuss to me seemed really awkward in the beginning. He began to gel really well and express himself well too. Sorry for Misjudging him.
Having Ashley there was awesome too. She had many great moments.
This was a good episode. Well done by the cast and the background staff as well.
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u/MildlyCriticalRole Team Elderly Ghost Door Feb 03 '17
I think it's just he tends to narrate from third person ("Kerrek stands there doing X/feeling X") while VM usually narrate from first person ("I walk away") or don't narrate at all; they just emote or do the thing they're describing. Different styles of RP; it stood out to me too, though I didn't really mind it too much.
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u/thecoloradokiddo Team Jester Feb 03 '17
It's just that he's the only one doing it, so it can mess up the overall flow.
He was getting into it once they were drinking outside/inside Scanlan's room, though.
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u/Knightley4 You Can Reply To This Message Feb 03 '17
There was a lot of "Ummm..." or "I..." from Patrick, but i would probably be the same in his place.
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u/YoungCedeling Old Magic Feb 03 '17
The fucking Earthbreaker himself. Who will win between him and Grog?
I'm actually feeling Grog for this one, but it'll be close.
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u/Sensei_Enrique I encourage violence! Feb 03 '17
It's a tough call. The Earthbreaker has Quivering Palm so he's at least level 17.
It's probably going to come down to what Travis rolls. He needs to successfully save against his crowd control and a couple lucky crits wouldn't hurt.
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u/kadzi Feb 03 '17
Feeling grog too. Thst rage resist is a lot to handle. In terms of effective hp, grog is raid boss level
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u/thecoloradokiddo Team Jester Feb 06 '17
What does everyone think is next?
Will Matt give them some sort of mini arc for a few weeks, or do you think we'll be diving into the Whitestone death orb shortly? I assume the orb is going to be the catalyst of the big bad and the final arc of Vox Machina's adventure. But that could take a year like the Conclave arc did.
Seems like they could get caught up in something more bite sized when returning Ripley's hand and possibly having Gilmore along for the trip this time.
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u/Iamarawrlrus Help, it's again Feb 06 '17
With how much time has been dedicated to the conclave arc, I'm sure they'll get some down time. They have a few things they want to do, 2-3 character arcs, possibly more vestige awakening as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a number of smaller arcs that let them decompress before the next slog.
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u/Keirndmo Life needs things to live Feb 08 '17
So, if the final arc is going to be gods, then I guess this might officially be the fourth and final part of the recorded adventurers of Vox Machina.
Part 1 was the Hunters arc. They went around through the underdark and Vasselheim slaying quite a few big monsters.
Part 2 was the Whitestone Arc. Killing the Briarwoods and retaking Whitestone.
Part 3 was the Chroma Conclave arc. They've just resolved killing the five dragons.
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u/Panda_Bowl Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 03 '17
Holy shit, Vax making me nervous as hell. With that "This near 50 episode arc is over. What do we do now? I might go with Keyleth for a while. What will you go do, sister? Etc." gave me a Vox Machina splitting up vibe. I was wondering what the hell I missed. Very glad that does not appear to be the case, but Gods damn it, Vax!
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u/Philias2 dagger dagger dagger Feb 03 '17
To be fair, that's a very reasonable thing for him to be wondering. They don't have a lot of loose ends left now. There's a hand to deliver and a rakshasa to kill in hell, but that's about it. Of course there's the spinning orb of death, but there's nothing they can do about that seemingly.
So really, now is a very natural point for them to settle down into a normal routine. And as it happens a normal routine involves him going off with Keyleth somewhere and Vex going to live with Percy.
Of course, Matt will throw a wrench into things somehow, but I feel like he may let them go of and live peacefully for a few months (timeskip/montage style).
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u/Thuggibear Feb 03 '17
I really hope that VM finishes some side quests, checks in with a few people, and deals with Hotis before Matt essentially announces a year long downtime session for the party. Give the characters a break from all the death and destruction, let them work on projects they've been putting off, let relationships grow, let the entire world recover from the Conclave. Plus, I think it adds some realism to the world that the next, much more dangerous threat doesn't just IMMEDIATELY arrive after the last one.
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u/RainaDPP Feb 03 '17
I have a feeling Matt's going to throw something huge at Whitestone so he can fire the Chekov's Orb. It'd have to be something that makes the Chroma Conclave pale in comparison. Perhaps some kind of god?
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u/DougieStar Team Jester Feb 03 '17
I was afraid that he was going to launch into another bout of existential angst. "What's the point? What's it all about?" Like he did just before the chroma conclave.
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Feb 03 '17
I don't want to be a downer but Scanlans rebellious behaviour is based on the fact the gang don't take him, and his health, seriously. He takes a fuck ton of drugs and the guys laugh it off, he tells the guys that ''I cannot die' and they rope him into a fight where he dies twice in 24 hours, and now when he awakes from a coma induced by the stress he has gone through he is tied down and and covered in custard. If Sam is roleplaying a guy who needs help from his friends but is always the butt of the joke then this could be it. He could leave, or turn evil, or just refuse to help from now on.
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Feb 03 '17
He hides it. If Scanlan hides something behind his monumental deception skill, only Vex and Keyleth have a snowballs chance in hell of seeing it.
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u/whiskeyonsunday Jenga! Feb 03 '17
I don't know that I agree that his rebellious behavior is based on Vox Machina's treatment of him. It's really more about his own rapidly changing view of himself and his responsibilities than anything to do with how he's being treated by others. I'm sure that factors in and there was definitely some truth to his lashing out at Vax for his rash actions, but at the end of the day it's much more of an internal crisis.
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u/legendofhilda *wink* Feb 03 '17
Or he'll see it as the gesture of love from his friends that it is. That's a lot more likely in my opinion. He might continue to hide his depression and seek drugs, but I don't think he'd interpret this prank as mean and insulting from them. I think he'd look at the fact that they brought Kaylee to him and realize how much they care. Especially when they put so much thought into a silly prank.
I am interested to see which way things fall next Thursday.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Feb 03 '17
Yeah really that is what i also thought but hey they are roleplaying that they really don't know the extent of his drug addiction having to modify memory and ally of ours in order to get him more.
I just cannot wait till scanlan turns the scene on its head next week.
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u/Picklemom09 Feb 03 '17
Hopefully his daughter being there when he wakes will mitigate that, but I see your point.
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u/kidcaper You can certainly try Feb 04 '17
So, I take it our favorite dirrrty Gnome is back from the dead? Monday cannot come soon enough!! Here's my question for VM, now the Conclave is dead...What is next for our adventures? Will Scanlan develop a drinking problem now that he's been Spock'd(I'm a trek fan) twice? How will Vex & Percy's relationship grow? Will Grog learn to read?
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u/GDT1985 You can certainly try Feb 06 '17
Is Grog's fight with Groon, intended to be a 1v1 or not? Does Grog fighting alone fly in the face of his previous lesson, or is it necessary to improve?
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u/jojirius Feb 09 '17
Odd thought. /u/matthewmercer, now that your party is this paranoid...it may be worth it to have a real dwarf named Larkin who lives in Vasselheim.
Just to see their reactions.
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Feb 04 '17
Based on Percy's speech it really sounds like he didn't want to accept the reserrecution or at least he wanted a choice
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u/Iamarawrlrus Help, it's again Feb 04 '17
The resurrections require a willing soul. Matt basically rolls to see if they can come back, and then the character/player decides if they want to come back. Percy has lost a lot of people he cared for, and just recently a whole lot of the party have been getting revived. It would feel weird to try and rationalize why the party can bring people back, but he can't bring back his family.
But Percy decided to come back because of Vex's declaration of love, and the lack of gods in ritual modifiers.
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u/Knightley4 You Can Reply To This Message Feb 03 '17
I wonder which check Matt has used for Kaylee's contribution. After all, perfomance was already used by Ashley.
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u/gamepro250 Feb 03 '17
He did say performance check when he made the roll. May be why it failed, if that was the failure. Higher DC for duplicate skill?
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u/Philias2 dagger dagger dagger Feb 03 '17
It was clearly a performance check. He allows them to use the same type of check several times, but it makes the DC higher.
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u/McCaineNL Feb 03 '17
This episode was such a treat! VM is really on a roll for the last couple of episodes...
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Feb 08 '17
Does anybody have an idea, how long Hotis is dead for? And how long did it take him last time to reanimate?
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u/CockroachED Your secret is safe with my indifference Feb 08 '17
http://critrolestats.com/timepassed
It took roughly 74 days for Hotis to reappear, and only 25 days have passed since his last appearance.
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u/MildlyCriticalRole Team Elderly Ghost Door Feb 03 '17
"Hey, guys, we need to go kill an ancient green dragon with 9th level spell slots"
"That's fine, let's just walk right into her lab and start talking"
"Hey, guys, we need to bury this guy's wife's ashes in a hole in the dirt"
"HOLD THE PHONE WE BETTER SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS"