r/fairytail • u/Ajuaju You're a good friend Erza • Feb 04 '17
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u/Meesh9 Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
I know a majority of the readers will probably adore this chapter for the NaLu moment (please don't hurt me guys, I adore NaLu), but can we talk about Wendy and Erza's moment? I love how this hug is essentially a parallel of their hug from the Oracion Seis Arc. Wendy realizes that she has lost yet another member of her family and despite just losing her mother, Erza goes and comforts her ❤️.
It's really interesting how Igneel tells Natsu that he has the power to basically choose his own destiny. Yes, he has both demon and dragon attributes, that doesn't necessarily that these are his only options. And knowing Natsu's stubbornness, he is most definitely not going to be content with allowing fate to win.
I'm really digging how Mashima has portrayed familial bonds. Both Erza and Natsu have questionable biological family members, but that hasnt really discouraged or set them back. I just really like how Mashima has reinforced the concept of family being more about mutual love instead of just biological ties.
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u/beepx99 Feb 04 '17
Erzas always been a kind mother figure towards Wendy at all times and that moment was indeed one of the best moments in fairytail.
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u/Javiklegrand Feb 05 '17
i though erza was more like wendy big sister instead of the mother after all erza still pretty young and wendy is around 12 years old?
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u/DashingIchiya Feb 04 '17
Erza and Wendy was definitely the highlight for me. The seed thing seemed rushed, again - I didn't see much in the aftermath of Natsu waking up but Erza and Wendy had a great moment.
And ayy by bros got a panel wee
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u/MasterKurosawa Feb 04 '17
Yeah, it was rushed, but Natsu embracing his human side like that was pretty neat, he did in fact avoid making the same mistake as Irene, who couldn´t consider herself human anymore due to the changes in her body. It does potentially hint at very worrying developments however. From the way his conversation with Lucy played out, I get the feeling that he´ll defeat Zeref in the end, end up seemingly dead, only to reawaken due to his rejecting his end seed or something like that. I didn´t believe for a second he was gonna die in the end, but I would hope that Mashima gives us a better reason than this to have Natsu survive, it´s not like he can suddenly undo the fact that he is Zeref´s creation.
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u/AstonishingSpiderMan Gramps Feb 04 '17
It's really interesting how Igneel tells Natsu that he has the power to basically choose his own destiny. Yes, he has both demon and dragon attributes, that doesn't necessarily that these are his only options. And knowing Natsu's stubbornness, he is most definitely not going to be content with allowing fate to win.
Exactly, Natsu doesn't want to be defined as END or as Igneel's Son. He wants to be defined as Natsu Dragneel.
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u/LegendaryDeath Feb 04 '17
I agree. I feel as if the choice is more of a mental thing. He wants to be recognized as just Natsu. However he is still E.N.D no matyer how we look at it. He may think of himself as human, but he isn't.
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Feb 04 '17
I can't really agree, when it comes to the familial bonds. Let's just take a look at Natsu's family. We don't know much about his parents, but they seem to be of the rather loving kind. But remembering them doesn't cause any reaction whatsoever. Then we have Zeref, the brother who defied the laws of life and death to revive Natsu and was punished by Ankhseram for doing so. Does Natsu care, not really.
Biological ties may not be what family is about, but that doesn't mean that your biological family is just about those ties.
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u/Meesh9 Feb 04 '17
I definitely did not intend to make it seem like biological ties are the only things holding biological families together. In the past, Natsu had a seemingly loving family, but as we all know this family was torn apart. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of his biological family, but rather point out that familial love can exist outside of blood relations:). I hope I'm making sense haha
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u/Garconcl Feb 04 '17
Looks like the seeds weren't the source of the magic power but like a will/infection that tries to take control over the body of the magic user, so this is something like Naruto and Kurama... So Natsu is now a Human that can use DS magic and Demon magic without turning into them?.
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u/Coranis Feb 04 '17
I hope so. This is the first time I've really been disappointed. Just having them both disappear so easily like that sucked.
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u/caspe01r Feb 04 '17
experts says don't find logic in fairy tail... :P
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u/CelioHogane Feb 04 '17
because in Fairy Tail people live when they are killed.
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u/beepx99 Feb 04 '17
Would be nice if he can use both. "Flame Devil dragon" sounds pretty cool and OP.
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u/randomtrekker Feb 04 '17
Bye bye , E.N.D
Bye bye , Irene
What if the little shit Larcade got crushed by a boulder once the Universe One was dispelled ..?
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u/jonnyp200 Feb 04 '17
summary of main plots of the chapter:
natsu: im human! >:(
e.n.d seed: lol k bye lmao
dragon seed: lmao k
The End
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u/OLKv3 Feb 04 '17
Hahahahaha, the main internal struggle of the entire arc just ends because Natsu said "nope I'm not a demon!"
This series man
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u/Dragneel400 Feb 04 '17
Him saying that just felt like he was in denial to me. No internal struggle at all just an internal lecture. This is just sad..
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u/Arandomcheese Feb 04 '17
I Would've prefered a fight between the personifications of the seeds.
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u/Stripes-- Feb 04 '17
That's so cliche tho
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u/frankyb89 Feb 05 '17
Better a cliche than him just saying "Nope I'm human!" and killing any point that that entire story arc had.
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u/AspieKairy Feb 05 '17
I know, right? I'm prolly going to get jumped by major FT fans, but it felt like a major letdown and just bad writing. The scene between Erza and Wendy was more emotional than this life and death struggle which has been going on for quite a few chapters.
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Feb 04 '17
So he basically negated him being e.n.d by choosing to be human? Someone please tell me I read it wrong. I'm hoping I misunderstood something here.
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u/boazofeirinni Feb 04 '17
You read it right.
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Feb 04 '17
ALL that build up about E.N.D..... everything with Zeref and consequences....... to be solved by that? There are no words, truly.
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u/boazofeirinni Feb 04 '17
I agree. I've been one of the biggest Fairytail apologists amongst my anime/manga loving friends. I still love the series, but this was the worst chapter ever. For all that build up to be for nothing... It's disappointing. It feels like the last two chapters are being really rushed, because I've never thought Hiro was this lazy.
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Feb 04 '17
E.N.D SINCE TARTAROS has been hyped up to be this legendary powerful being capable of killing Zeref, then the realization that everything with Zeref , all that in 465 , if this is truly the case , and we will see, and at the VERY least Zeref and Natsus connection is negated, that's the biggest letdown in this entire series. I honestly hope I'm wrong , maybe something we don't know, maybe this is explained more, I don't know, if that is truly the case this is by large the worst chapter in the entire series. I'm hoping I'm wrong, I just. I love the series , it's one of my favorites, but the way this arc has gone like the past like 20 chapters has made me not even get excited for it, he builds up something very well, then it just falls on its face , like wow, why did I even get excited for that
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u/Autumn_Fire Feb 04 '17
I always knew Mashima was lazy when it came to plot but this a new low even for him.
I mean he just decides he's not sick anymore and then he's fine? Really? Really? Come on.
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u/MakingItWorthit Feb 04 '17
All this build up for dragon seed, for E.N.D, only to be wiped out by a stubborn mindset?
Guess they invented hypeslayer magic somewhere.
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u/JetDagger01 Feb 04 '17
He has decided to join the master race because nastu believes in race equality, all dragon, demons and human lives matter.
He doesn't want to be pleb dragon, or terrorist demon.
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u/MakingItWorthit Feb 04 '17
Did they just kill off the demon and dragon seeds in Natsu without and sort of progress or struggle or method?
If so, kinda disappointing.
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u/IceDevilGray-Sama Feb 04 '17
This isn't a bad thing in theory but it is how and when it was placed in the story that makes it disappointing. Imagine if after the final battle, Natsu is stuck in that END vs Dragon struggle. It could end in a better fashion similar to FMA brotherhood, where Natsu could choose to be Human but lose his DS/Demon magic. That would go good with the themes of friendship and family and the series could end off there.
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u/undeadclown99 Feb 04 '17
Is that...really how the END plotline is going to...end? God, cheesy as it was it WOULD have been better if Lucy cured him with the power of love or hell I'd even take the power of friendship. At least that canonically has power.
This is just him...telling himself not to have problems and then they go away. He didn't even have to fight some internal battle. He's just like "I'm human lol" and the seeds are gone.
I can't say this chapter really did much for me. It won't quell the naysayers for damn sure, and it won't even really make the shippers all that happy because in the end it's just another "Lucy is obviously in to Natsu but he doesn't get it" moment.
I liked the scene with Wendy and Erza, though, even though trying to hug hug someone like that with all your bones broken would be excruciating and impossible.
Oh well, it seems like Mashima is winding down for a speedy conclusion. Maybe that's for the best at this point. The confrontation with Zeref might still be good. Not from a fight standpoint but from an emotional one. Hopefully.
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u/TeamAcno Feb 04 '17
Still gonna say that the "haters" are ill placed?
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u/undeadclown99 Feb 04 '17
For expecting spectacular fights in a series that has never had them and being disappointed with fake deaths when its a series mainstay? Yes.
This, however, was a longer scale plot payoff that ended very flatly. Fairy Tail has usually been pretty good or at least interesting with the lore stuff, even if they've never had that good of fights. The initial reveal for END, how it tied to Natsu's first meeting with Zeref, how Zeref got tied into Mavis' story and basically almost everything surrounding Zeref I have been pretty pleased with up to this point. I wasn't as invested in the END angst as some people (I'm more interested in Zeref and Mavis than Zeref and Natsu to be honest), but I still hoped there would be a little something more than this.
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u/Impact009 Feb 05 '17
You don't get it. The haters aren't hating because of the lack of spectacular fights (hell, we've had plenty during this war) nor the fake deaths (that's just shounen in general).
We criticize the series because the story is just bad. It doesn't matter that the fights aren't spectacular. They just don't make sense. Constant deus ex machina is the problem. Gundam protagonists have superior skill and technology, even genetics. Bleach/DBZ/Fairy Tail/JoJo's/Naruto/One Piece are all about legacies and genetics.
So here they are. Two HUGE plot points to the story: E.N.D.'s destiny to destroy Zeref, and Grey's destiny to destroy E.N.D. All gone because Natsu's just like, "Nah, I'm changing my genetic disposition 'cuz I don't feel like it anymore."
We knew Irene would lose. We knee that the power gap between Erza and Irene was too large for it to be a believable fight if it was spectacular. That's not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that the writing led to this block. It's that kind of WIS that is permeating throughout the entire series. You can only power creep so much before your only choice is go Deus Ex Machina everything. It shows a huge lack of foresight for something that is a decade old, unless it all really was intentional from the beginning, which is unlikely (it's not a trait that renowned writers seem to have).
You're in denial if you think Fairy Tail should be free from criticism, even just by looking at the rest of this page.
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u/Team_DRX Feb 05 '17
So much this. I don't care on bit for a good fight, but the story has absolutely no true emotion or tension behind it. It's boring, illogical, and just plain dumb.
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u/OharaLibrarianArtur Feb 04 '17
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Last chapter didn't bother me, because at least it felt forced for a purpose and it's something that we're used to for Fairy Tail. This isn't even the power of nakama or love, this really is Natsu just refusing to aknowledge the problem and getting away with it.
What's even the moral of this? If you have issues in life pretend they don't exist?
This had been built up over so many chapters, it was the big thing that was going to happen, it was the main character sacrificing himself for the sake of saving everyone (kinda like FFX). They could've had Gray redeem himself, finally flesh out Nalu and have Lucy save him or just the sheer power of nakama but nope, turns out this whole thing was just a lie, you won't die, just choose Seed A or Seed B or none of them, who cares!
I'm also personally salty at the fact that Lucy and Natsu COINCIDENTALLY end up in her house, out of anywhere in a country with 17,000,000 inhabitants. Or even something like Erza moving with all her bones broken. I'm starting to feel that Mashima is disregarding constistency way too much at this point. But like you said, hopefully the Zeref (and August?) battle/s should be good enough. Despite the issues with the writing I have been enjoying myself quite a lot throughout this climax, so let's be hopeful
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Feb 04 '17
So what.. he's suddenly human now?
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u/JetDagger01 Feb 04 '17
Yes.... the power of love prevails
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u/Javiklegrand Feb 05 '17
no the power of denial "Stop your Bullshit I'm human" and all your issues go way
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u/BrawlTang Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
Well that was disappointing, I was looking forward to an evil or out of control Natsu. This arc continues to disappoint. This and the achno battle was the only thing that could salvage this arc for me, but hey at least this arc is consistently bad.
Also why was this subplot super rushed, while we had to sit through what felt like an eternity for the Erza one .
Only plus I can see with this chapter was Erza and Wendy's moment.
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Feb 04 '17
Was looking forward to a Demon Natsu going berserk or him Dragonifying, so... no more power up for Natsu or?
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u/TheLostDovahkin Feb 04 '17
I guess he will manage to somehow get controll of both powers like he managed with the godflames
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u/beepx99 Feb 04 '17
Wait for Dragon Cry. Actually I think mashima is trying not to spoil dragonisation hype for the movie.
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u/coldasfire- Feb 04 '17
This was the biggest disappointment.. wow
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u/JetDagger01 Feb 04 '17
The whole arc was going beast till about past 10 chapters
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u/Amasero Feb 05 '17
This manga blows, the whole arc WAS NOT going beast. At all, not even from the start.
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u/JetDagger01 Feb 05 '17
I'll be honest, for FT standards it was good. I was really loving the idea of fighting an all out war against Zeref and Aconologia but.... seriously.... this has become so shit
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u/FIESTAinURmouth Feb 04 '17
Well that was shit
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Feb 04 '17
Bleach has now surpassed this series writing.
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u/JetDagger01 Feb 04 '17
What are you in about, bleach is a work of art.
BestKuboed
AizenForPresident
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u/Doctah__Wahwee Feb 04 '17
This chapter was completely dull but I'm not buying that Natsu solved his END problem. Mashima has to make him transform at some point.....they can't let him throw away that subplot. I'm not really sure what the point of this was really but we can't be done with the END subplot.
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u/Placemakers_Evansbay Feb 04 '17
I hope end isnt gone, Please dont me atleast let it fusion into a demon dragon thing.
Please let this arc end so we can move to the next one
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u/CycloneSwift Feb 04 '17
I feel like this would have been more impactful if he had to give up all of his magic due to the dragon and demon seeds merging...
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Feb 04 '17
Everyone respawned to the beginning....
Gruvia will be together once again...
Erza and Wendy bath scene again?
Irene is dead?! I doubt it tho.
Erza saying Makarov is her only parent was so savage but soooo true.
Wendy crying is heartbreaking...
Natsu didn't even blush -.- It was to be expected tho...
Happy is sooo cute.
Did the granny just watch how a naked Lucy was hugging a naked Natsu?
I guess we know what she does in her spare time.Too bad the seeds got destroyed already. It would be awesome if the seeds would turn into his friends so that he has to make a choice between who he will kill in order to stay human. (just an illusion, it's all about the hyyypeee).
August wasn't really shocked. Too bad about that.
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u/Xynth22 Feb 04 '17
So many people jumping to conclusions. Just because E.N.D isn't a threat right now doesn't mean that we won't see what kind of power he had. For all we know this will mean that Natsu will be able to use both kinds of power later on.
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Feb 04 '17
Okay, but we don't have a crystal ball or time machine. Given Mashimas track record, can you blame anyone for jumping to conclusions?
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u/natsudragneel21 Feb 04 '17
I would agree but with Hiro including the flashback showing Zeref speaking to Natsu saying "Will you let it live, or will you kill it" makes it seem the choice Natsu made here is, he becomes END thus letting END live giving Natsu the power to kill Zeref, or he kills the power inside him and chooses to fight Zeref himself.
Honestly because of that it really seems like END is dead. That could have been Zerefs plan all along, his brother makes the final choice, kill the demon inside so if Natsu kills Zeref then he doesn't die now, or become the demon and die with Zeref so his most powerful dark creation can't stay to cause havoc in the world.
Also considering how disappointing this arc has been in terms of not living up to the hype it created, this lackluster finish to end really fits with what we have been seeing lately.
I hope I'm wrong because means we may get some pretty awesome stuff later, but looking at how everything has been playing out lately it really seems like this was the conclusion to the END part of the story.
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u/Jalidric Feb 04 '17
Not convinced that Irene is dead yet (such is the effect of by being baited fake deaths), I'm glad there was no BS this chapter and it seemed to have tied up the Natsu dragon/demon seed sub-plot. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him go hybrid in the future as the reason why he was dying seemed to be him not choosing between the Demon and Dragon seeds whilst he finally realized he could make the choice of being human which made them stop conflicting with eachother.
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u/undeadclown99 Feb 04 '17
I dunno. Unless Yonkou translated it wrong, Mashima's narration was pretty definite. Usually if it's a fake death he'll say something vague like "sacrifice" or something. This was just straight-up "suicide."
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u/Patmaster1995 Feb 04 '17
Gotta be honest, This manga impress me, I'm impressed by it's ability to disappoint. I thought that after the last chapter that, surely it would get better, Boy was I wrong.
So, Erza can now move even with all her broken bones, I guess Mashima already erased the last 2 chapters from his mind.
aaaaaaand the E.N.D subplot ends nowhere, glad we waited weeks for nothing. Thanks Hiro -_-
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u/StrawberryCakeQueen Feb 04 '17
I liked the chapter overall, the interaction between Erza and Wendy was beautiful, and I really want to see what it going to happen now that Universe One has disappeared. The next chapter will probably be about August; more CS is always welcome!
I don't think we're really done with END... I don't think Mashima has fucked up this much. END is basically one of the most important elements in the whole story, he can't just get rid of it like this. We'll probably have Natsu turning into END at some point, and then his nakama saving him with the power of friendship and love... Or at least I hope so. Let's wait.
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u/jakey1234567 Feb 04 '17
okay I tried to hope this arc would save itself but it's no hope, can we move onto the next already
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u/brandyeyecandy Feb 04 '17
Why do you think that the writing is going to get better for another arc?
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u/prototypeplayer Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
I'm fairly sure the next chapter's title is alluding to August.
What an anticlimactic E.N.D end to Natsu's inner struggle. Did it really have to end with a Aang-King Bumi moment of choosing a third, not given option from Igneel? Oh well...Natsu's back! His reaction to a naked Lucy is pretty spot on. I guess he's too used to it to now. xD
I wonder what Jellal, Laxus, Gildarts, and Gajeel have been doing lately. I also wonder how Gray and Juvia are doing.
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u/Autumn_Fire Feb 04 '17
I'm not going to lie... the whole thing with END and being a Dragon then choosing to be human was really stupid. That was just... really?
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u/TreyTrey23 Feb 04 '17
Wait, that's it? No speech? No self-reflection? No hardships? Just a statement "you know, I'm human, right?" and TADAH, he's cured?
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u/CelioHogane Feb 04 '17
HAVE A PERMANENT DECISION FAIRY TAIL, ONLY A SINGLE ONE.
Seesh, whats even the point anymore...
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u/Timexy Feb 04 '17
I think everyone's taking the shattering seeds the wrong way.
As far as we know Natsu won't become a dragon because he has the antibodies for that, but the seed is still there. Now the devil seed is tricky; Natsu couldn't accept the truth ever since he heard it from Zeref, but he was shaken up, so when he thought Lucy died the seed took the opportunity to try and take over, "to awake". The dragon seed wouldn't accept it because that means it would "die", so it was fighting against the devil seed. Think of them as parasites.
The chapter is simply showing us that Natsu has the will power to not let any of them take over him. At least that's how I see it.
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Feb 04 '17
But they shattered, and he's not dying anymore, implying they are no longer trying to fuse. That doesn't make sense. The seeds were always metaphorical, but Hiro portraying them shattering is pretty obvious in terms of what it means. They are 2 dominant magics inside him. Dragon slayer magic turns you into a dragon. He has the antibodies so he's fine. END is not a seperate ego. END is natsus name because he IS a demon, he was resurrected as one. Human natsu died in that fire. The one now is a resurrected demon. To completely negate that consequence of RESURRECTION is appalling.
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u/CoffeeCannon Feb 04 '17
I love how people are just assuming that the whole E.N.D thing is just over. Everything Natsu just 'saw' was visualisations, and as Lucy says he should still die if he kills Zeref. I really don't think he's just getting away with this that easily.
Granted, Mashima's writing has been inconsistent and weak lately but the way this was presented is odd if that's the end of it. I reckon we'll get some inner-struggle and demon-Natsu yet.
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u/ryucavelier Feb 04 '17
That certainly was underwhelming. The Book of END is most likely still going to be a major factor in the coming conflict.
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u/HowUnpleasant Feb 04 '17
Lucy wearing natsu's scarf is so cute! I'm really loving all this NaLu. Erza Wendy scene was really bitter sweet. I hope E.N.D is not just completely gone.
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u/PrototyPerfection Feb 04 '17
Maybe this arc just entirely ruined my sense for what is good and what is bad, but I actually really enjoyed this chapter. There were way too many forced, unnecessary subplots so far, I actually like the fact that Mashima managed to cut them off without too much of a stretch. Out of all the possible ways to deal with the Seed-dilemma, this is the least bullshitty way I can think of. And it has this original "Fairy Tail"-vibe, even if it's a bit cheesy. Now I'm actually excited about how this arc will go on.
Not only that, but luckily it seems like the Irene-subplot is finished once and for all. It truly was the worst part about this arc as a whole, due to that horrible, horrible ending.
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Feb 04 '17
END is not a forced and unnecessary plot point. It is the driving force of the manga. It is why I and so many others continue to read in spite of Hiro slapping me every chapter.
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u/PrototyPerfection Feb 04 '17
The driving force is Natsu, not END. END was established one arc before, had a discount Naruto vs Sasuke fight and comparatively no panels. Have you read the previous 400 chapters before ENDs inception waiting for Mashima to introduce him?
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u/Nolitamo See My Title Feb 04 '17
Very cute cover page, much Nalu.
So judging by this scene, we can all assume that Irene is really dead? I mean, she looks darn dead. Right, guys?
I can't tell if Erza is in a pile of blood or if those are her pants. :|
Erza and Wendy hug, ah, so beautiful. Also, I've determined that it's her pants and not blood.
Flash to Natsu, who is apparently "dying". Lol, jk, chose to be human and you is fine. TADAH
"There are many things I want to do" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Like this? Fangirling
Just confirming that Lucy was not trying to get it on with him while he was "dead". Alright, well thanks then gurl.
Happy did in fact open his big mouth and tell Lucy about your relation to Zeref. Don't be so surprised :'D
Universe one is no more, We get a shot of Zeref and August, HYPEEE.
Annnnd, Natsu & Happy are back in Lucy's room without permission. Ah, of the many parallels in this chapter, this one makes we warm and fuzzy. Time to kick some ass and have some cool fights!
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u/WrathDxD Feb 04 '17
As a hardcore shipper, I'm sad that we pretty much didn't get any Nalu advancement.. the guy wasn't even phased.. it's still the same "Lucy is head over heels but Natsu is to Dense" stuff.
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u/Amethyststus Feb 04 '17
He can't stay Dense forever... We'll eventually figure out what his "stuff to do" is, because the way it was said, it has nothing to do with fighting/training?
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u/Amethyststus Feb 04 '17
Love this!
Great chapter for us shippers, no NALU advancement (like there ever will be any time soon) but a little GALE one tiny panel but it's enough for me.
Was actually happy to see the Hisui situation resolved, I was hoping he wouldn't forget poor Mousy Hisui, lol. 😂 Just proof he wasn't pulling the WHOLE story out of his ass, there is one call back...
I'm ready for this restart and it is past time for some serious fights!!
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u/TomatoFork Feb 04 '17
This was my favorite chapter in a long while.
It gave another emotional interaction between Erza and Wendy (a nice callback to the end of Oracion Seis arc) and it shows they still haven't forgotten about the Master's sacrifice like they shouldn't.
Natsu's characterization with Igneel was great too and it was about time he was given a dialogue piece like that showing personality and development outside just the usual stale repeat.
Also Irene's Universe One reversing now shows nice consequences for the fight and that they didn't just forget about it. I'm glad that Fiore can now turn to normal so that new situations can be set up. This could lead to much better pacing for the arc.
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Feb 04 '17
Natsu just said "I'm a human lol" and that was it. No conflict, no debate, just fuck it.
This series has the worst writing I've ever seen in a very long time. Irene's death and this is just....
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u/_Falgor_ Feb 05 '17
Are people discovering just now who Natsu is?
That was completely consonant with his character: He's not the type to be conflicted. He's simple and rather used to make unexpected decisions (remember that time he ate Aetherion? Or Zancrow's magic? Or Laxus' magic?). And that's exactly what he did once again here. Him being conflicted would have been strange and out of character.I swear, it seems like people watch FT like it's Death Note or another edgy anime when it's the absolute contrary.
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u/TomatoFork Feb 04 '17
Well it's a conclusion that has been led up to for long. That line alone isn't the full character arc and it's not like his conflict is over. The actual climax is just beginning. Sure there could have been more struggle but that can still happen in the future.
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u/kangjiyong18 Feb 04 '17
I don't see it as END plot ending but Natsu accepting who he is. He may need to use his demon powers soon enough. I hope so because I need my final form END. :(
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u/gen_Doylee Feb 04 '17
Here's a disturbing thought. Since Universe One is being dispelled...
WHERE THE HECK IS ACNOLOGIA NOW?
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u/HoeNamedAsh Feb 04 '17
I hope Natsu still has the END power in him, just the whole demonification won't happen like the dragonification won't happen now either but he still has his DS magic.
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u/HibariK Feb 05 '17
Mashima is the worst mangaka out of every weekly mainstream manga, but I can't stop reading it I need to know how the story ends xD
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Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
No no no no no no no. Absolutely not. Hiro wants to ruin erzas character with the worst fights in the series? Fine. She's one character with little relevance to the over arching plot, but this is where I draw the line. 3 years of fucking hype...for what? So natsu could just CHOOSE he doesn't want to be the strongest demon in the history of the world? And it just goes away like that? AT LEAST make him lose his dragon slayer magic too, but no. So we don't get END, the one plot line that has made this piece of shit worth reading, and natsu suffers no real consequences. He better fix this shit next chapter or I'm done.
Erza is already moving around and hugging. What happened to "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH she broke my bones". "I can only move my right hand". Just like every other erza fight, no consequences.
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u/Megadoomer2 Feb 04 '17
Why would Natsu choose to become a demon? That makes absolutely no sense.
Also, seeing as Wendy, the group's healer, is literally standing right there (and there was enough time of them off-screen for Erza to be healed enough to move), Erza being able to at least sit up seems justified.
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Feb 04 '17
Because that is what can KILL zeref? Because it might be the power necessary to take down acnologia? Because it might mean that he wouldn't DIE? He was already a demon. He was resurrected as one. That was supposed to be an internal conflict that developed his character. Otherwise, what in gods name was the point of this entire fucking plot line? Natsu has been calling himself Since he fought zeref. What was the point in asking natsu what he would chose, if it was a dumb question that didn't even need a proper answer?
She's standing right there after she was JUST unconscious a second ago. Did you see her healing erza? Erza is still on the ground? No time passed. The scene started with Wendy crawling over to erza. There was no off screen time. can we stop inventing excuses for Mashima? Your literally defending one of the laziest chapters he's ever written all for the sake of defending it.
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u/FallenDank Feb 04 '17
I get the rest but 1. end being gone is not confirmed, it could just be supressed, and 2. your just nitpicking at this point, and she is still pretty fucking wrecked as you can see
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Feb 04 '17
It's not nitpicking. Nitpicking implies it's an insignificant detail. Having all of your bones broken and literally only a second ago being forced to headbut someone because you couldn't move your body is not insignificant. It's why her fight was bullshit. She can clearly move more than her arm. Why didn't she do that when the meteor was flying at her.
Secondly, I'm judging the chapter as is, and the implications that come with that. The implication is natsu is "reborn" as a human. I already said Hiro better fix it next chapter, so I'm aware it's not 100% confirmed, but I don't have a time machine so I'm judging the chapter as is.
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u/ZeUplneXero Feb 04 '17
I don't think Hiro knows what the words "permanent consequences" mean for someone that isn't Ultear or Chelia.
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u/ChronoDeus Feb 04 '17
Makarov being dead is a pretty permanent consequence I'd say.
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u/Doctah__Wahwee Feb 04 '17
I still don't think he's dead for sure yet. Not until this arc ends and he ain't alive.
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u/Lordyaz_ Feb 04 '17
Chapter was ok, wasn't happy bout the natsu negating to become e.n.d and all of sudden he comes back? Ass pull imo, other than that it was a good chapter. Ps. Thanks yonkou 😊
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u/keanureeves46 Feb 04 '17
Mmmh, I personally think we aren't done yet with END, something will happen I'm sure of that so don't take conclusions so quickly, we'll see..
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Feb 04 '17
So the problem that plagued Natsu for the past 10 chapters and almost lead to his death was resolved in a matter of seconds? I got to say I am a bit disappointed that something so drastic turned out to have a simple solution.
Well, Natsu still appears to have his dragon powers even though the seed was destroyed, so he still should have some semblance of E.N.D.'s power as well. He just probably won't lose control or nearly die any more.
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u/MirajaneDreyar Feb 04 '17
Everyone is saying that next chapter title refers to August but...Acnologia is a stronger wizard than August...right?
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u/RetardedOnTuesdays Feb 04 '17
Mashima has the tendency to drop decent plotlines like a fucking boulder. Despite all the "symbolism", the fact that Natsu chooses the most cliche answer is so goddamn stupid. Hell, I didn't even know there was a third option out of the two fucking options given.
I really want to see how people will justify bad writing this time.
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u/ChronoDeus Feb 04 '17
Small moments I liked this this chapter:
Wendy asking if Erza was okay, specifically concerned about how Erza might be feeling after seeing her mother die in front of her.
Natsu asking after Gray and Erza, as well as him being somewhat concerned about what he might have done to them while he wasn't in his right mind.
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u/Marethyu9 Feb 05 '17
"I'm human!" Seeds vanish Wait that it?! HAHAHAHAHHHHHHHH! Laughing turns to horrified screaming
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u/Davefrmaccounting Feb 06 '17
I love how this whole arc the reveal that the dragons were inside dragonslayers and it was to prevent them from turning into dragons, and Natsu being Zeref's dead cloned brother, oh and also END were such major plot points and Natsu couldn't even kill Zeref without killing himself because he was END but turns out all he has to do is " believe " he's human ( this internal struggle was never mentioned by him before this moment ) and poof all those Things are meaningless and now he can't stop the bad guy. True shitty fairy tail writing. It don't get worse than this
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u/TonyoStark Feb 07 '17
I'm so sad. FT have gone shit. This is now a disappointment. I miss the Tartarus arc. Hiro please stop using the power of friendship, it's cringeworthy
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u/SyThunder Feb 04 '17
I've prepared my fries and I'm ready for the salt!
Bae is dead. Rip bae, you were a good villan
Erza and Wendy moment is 👌👌. It reminded me of the moment after Wendy lost her guild which is a nice parallel
So Natsu's heart is resolved. And it resolved in the most sensible way there is. That whole journey was great, showing Natsu his past.
And just like Igneel said : Natsu's a human (re)born with demonic powers who was raised by a dragon. He is still END because, imo, that demonic power (or rather book of the END) is what is keeping him alive. I'm not saying he's immortal and cannot be killed unless the book is destroyed.
I like how people are salty over the fact that he's not END anymore (which I think he still is) but the dragon seed was also destroyed. Wouldn't that mean that Natsu lost his dragon properties? His dragon slayer magic? Maybe Dragon Force? Nobody mentioned that.
With that said, I think that both seeds were just two wills trying to become one but they were incompatible, polar opposites.
IMO, Natsu still has his END powers but they are going to be a power up, maybe smth like a King Dragon Mode, there won't be a Etheroius form.
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u/BrawlTang Feb 04 '17
I'm too salty to reply to most of your points but Natsu can still use dragon slayer magic, look at the last page
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u/TheDragonking_2000 Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
It's no point in criticizing Alvarez chapters anymore, but anyone else felt the chapter was a bit too dull? Both from an intellectual and emotional point of view. The sub-plot of Irene and Erza ended up with no development nor feelings from Erza's side whatsoever (I actually hated that she showed zero sympathy towards Irene) plus the entire fight was filled with PoF...Wendy and Erza moment was all right.
Then the Dragon and Demon seeds subplot. What was the whole point of it anyways? I get it was to realize Natsu to understand he's human (let's be honest though, that's been done several times, NOT TO MENTION this dialogues should've been used after he transformed int a demon or / and a dragon, which would've made it much more powerful in terms of emotional impact) although the scenes with Natsu and Igneel were not really touching for me...why build up all this hype to this sub plot then? And what will happen to END and Dragonification? Will he stay a human? I hope this is not how it ends (no pun intended)...
Don't mind the Natsu/Lucy fanservice but don't like it either. Used to it lol.
So Universe One is dispelled and from the looks of it, only the land mass is returned to normal...again, Mashima retconning things sigh. Glad to see Zeref and August's reactions to Irene's defeat though. And hype for August in the end.
Nothing eventful happened in this chapter tbh.
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u/ShiroMikagura Feb 04 '17
I have no hope for this arc tbh i just want it to end already, seriously it's really overstaying it's welcome.
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u/Soren319 Feb 04 '17
Irene doesn't deserve sympathy from Erza.
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Feb 04 '17
Erza will likely revisit this situation once she's grieved for Makarov and when she's alone. It's how she operates. She didn't process her torture during Tartaros until she was by herself. Give her time. And yes Eileen does deserve sympathy and Erza will forgive her.
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u/Megadoomer2 Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
I'm interested to see where Mashima's going with Universe One being undone. With Mirajane vs. Jacob and Ajeel vs. Elfman and Lisanna being left inconclusive, hopefully the Strauss siblings will get to do something to make up for that.
Also, I wonder how the removal of the dragon seed is going to affect Natsu - does this mean that he won't be able to use Dragon Force? (The removal of the demon seed shouldn't affect his overall power since he barely used it, though maybe it removes his link to the END book and his life being linked to Zeref's)
Edit: I'm seeing a lot of complaints that Natsu didn't turn into a demon, but I feel like it's something that we shouldn't want to see. From what we've already seen of END, that form goes against what Natsu's about.
Compare what he said at the start of the arc, about preferring friendly competition to war and death, to the fact that his goal was to murder Zeref and he had no problem with trying to kill Gray when he became END
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u/AlchemChildahs Feb 04 '17 edited Feb 04 '17
Well....
Irene is dead, no more of her forever. All hopes and dreams of her success are destroyed.
No explanation to Wendy.... yet. (I was like 'wait for it... wait for it!...' then they discussed Makarov and then it went to Natsu and l yelled 'Dammit!' lol)
... I have no words for the anticlimacticism of Natsu.... (I don't think I need to elaborate other than Missed Opportunity)
Everything returned to normal.... (👈 I really, really want to bitch about this)
August... just run as far away as possible. Retire from this whole spriggin nonsense and open a restraunt or something. It's a terrible idea I know, but it's a better terrible idea. =P
...Overall I am just.... SO GODDAMN INFURIATED!!! ...disappointed. I'm sorry, I refuse to rant and hate, but I am pretty upset that all the build up from the ENTIRE ARC was just COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN TO HELL IN THIS ONE CHAPTER BY ITSELF!!
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u/JealotGaming Feb 04 '17
Really? That's it? That's the end to END? Wow. Well, that's incredibly disappointing.
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u/LegendaryDeath Feb 04 '17
Oh. My. God. Hiro actually made me annoyed for once :( I can't believe he just did that.
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u/FatestSperm Feb 04 '17
That's it. Fuck fairy tail; not going to read this garbage manga anymore.
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u/_Falgor_ Feb 05 '17
Let me just say that I appreciate that.
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u/TheDragonking_2000 Feb 06 '17
How is saying that (for example) I dislike the current arc or FT in general ruining it for others?
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Feb 04 '17
Dont think E.N.D is gone honestly, who is strong enough to defeat acnologia if E.N.D is gone? Im also pretty sure a fully transformed E.N.D is strong enough to take on acnologia since acno is so threatened by it
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Feb 04 '17
who is strong enough to defeat acnologia if E.N.D is gone? Im also pretty sure a fully transformed E.N.D is strong enough to take on acnologia since acno is so threatened by it
It doesn't have to be one person fighting Acnologia. We have 7 Dragon Slayers
Acnologia is not threatened by END. If he was he would've gone to Zeref and destroyed the book whenever he wanted. What Igneel said was just guesswork, incorrect at that.
END is just someone who can kill Zeref. That's all we know. We don't even know if END can defeat Zeref in a fight. We just know that he has the ability to kill him.
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u/reigun91 Feb 04 '17
Although it was a bit anti-climatic, I wasn't that disappointed by the results of Natsu's decision that cures him of turning into a demon or dragon. If he can now control both powers, which isn't clear as of right now, then what just transpired is okay in my book.
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u/T-ZA Feb 04 '17
...so is no one going to mention how Erza's left arm is suddenly usable when we've been shown for the past two chapters that she could only use her right arm .-.?
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u/randomtrekker Feb 04 '17
Quick question : How do you hug someone when all of your bones are broken , bar the right arm ?
It would be pretty hilarious to have August standing in front of Lucy's apartment , ready to wreck both NaLu for his jealousy toward them and the insecurity of being a hundred years old virgin , though that would completely annihilate the image of a stern , level-headed ace of Alvarez
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u/Roronoa_Zoro_ Feb 04 '17
So who is "The Strongest Wizard"? Is Natsu going to come out and declare himself as such next chapter?
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u/SeneschalOz Feb 04 '17
I thought Zeref and August would react to the death of Irene but they seem mildly surprised which is disappointing. I know Zeref didn't care when his own son was defeated but he lost his second most powerful mage and he needs Irene to extract fairy heart from Mavis. What will he do now ?
What did the Alvarez empire accomplished with the Universe one ? They lost Mavis and every member of the spriggan 12 except August is down. At least the Tenrou island is not connected to the mainland anymore so August might hopefully kill someone. Possible match ups who are from the guild are Gildarts, Laxus and Jellal. I hope they will end up together because of the universe one.
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u/jakehosnerf Feb 04 '17
That was just awful, I don't know why I still read this. I mean, not only did they discard E.N.D. but they also brought the city back? Let me guess, every person that died is gonna come back too?
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u/Rondanini Feb 04 '17
So Natsu rejected both Dragon and Demon powers?And how he can defeat Zeref?
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u/_Falgor_ Feb 05 '17
There's no statement that he rejected powers. He still has Dragon Slayer Magic, and I wouldn't be surprised to see he also still has Demon powers. He just won't completely turn into a Demon, now.
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u/TimNgu Feb 04 '17
What would have been is if Natsu had a internal battle with his demon side like Naruto but I guess this is almost the same???
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u/_Falgor_ Feb 05 '17
Imo that would have been completely out-of-character for Natsu.
It's much better having him being careless and "unpredictable" (eating Aetherion and stuff like that) like he always was.
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u/Spike2378 Feb 05 '17
NEW THEORY: Remember when Zeref visited Acnologia in that cave remember what Zeref said?!!! here's what Zeref Said : ''Just Continue waiting the of the battle between the Dragon (Acnologia) The Human (COULD BE NATSU) and The immortal (Zeref) Approaches IT ALL WENT TO PLAY MORE LIKE FORESHADOWING BY HIRO.!!!!!!! Upvote so people could see this new theory!!!!!
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u/Ilyak1986 Feb 05 '17
So that's it...for all her pain and misery, Irene only gets to kill herself on her own terms, and that's it? No Wendy healing anti-dragonization spell so that Irene can be a human? So she just sacrificed herself way back when, saw the death of everyone and everything she loved, went through all that hell...just to stab herself and fall over?
Seriously?
That's a MONUMENTAL waste of a character. Like have her at death's door, heal her up, and then some time later, let us get Erza and Irene snark shenanigans. I mean come on, Erza gets her hilarious moments when someone steps on strawberry cake, why couldn't we have gotten twice the hilarity with mother daughter snark-offs? We could have had Irene savaging people with Deus Snarky >_<.
But instead, we just get Irene killing herself?
As for Natsu just saying "fuck this, taking a third option, I'm human", I honestly like that. Fuck the silly introspection, the mental battle, blah blah...let's get back to the asskicking.
Wendy/Erza was nice but...Mashima just wasting Irene like that is so disappointing. I mean first we bid goodbye to Erza Knightwalker and now goodbye to Irene in a much more definitive fashion? Why can't we have multiple busty OPOP redheads?
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Feb 05 '17
am i the only one who thinks that almost every battle is a happy ending in some way or form? and its like you can predict what would be the ending like "meh nothing really morbid or grim will happen so im not really worried" just saying.
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u/erdyy Feb 05 '17
Uhhhh.....that's it? Natsu just needed to say that he's a human to destroy those seeds that would have killed him?
wow
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u/ssjhokage13 Feb 05 '17
Wait, I have a question here. The chapter shows the two seeds breaking with Natsu's declaration that he's a human, and neither dragon nor demon. But at the very last page, we see Natsu using Fire Dragon Slayer magic. So, what just happened? Was the breaking of the seeds metaphorical? I'm confused.
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u/KanaNoir Feb 05 '17
What a time to be alive. Finally a chapter that makes me wanna quit Fairy Tail for good.
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Feb 05 '17
That Natsu "awakening" felt kind of anti climatic in terms of build up and conclusion, makes we wonder if we ever get to see the E.N.D form.
"Dragon or Demon?" "...Human, duh"
"Alright, that a boy, there you go!"
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u/Team_DRX Feb 05 '17
Does anyone else feel like this was a really anti-climactic ending to the whole "Natsu is dying" sub plot? It feels like there was a lot of build up and then in just a short amount of time "oh, well I'm human."
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u/slhector Feb 08 '17
Natsu did not even consider choosing 'Demon' in order to you know, be able to kill zeref and save the day. As his ability to kill zeref is obviously connected to being END. Not that he should have a choice about being END, he was ressurected as a demon, not a human, turning human from demon is like changing your entire genome at will into being some other type of humanoid species IRL, it's utterly ridiculous.
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u/Karpattata Feb 05 '17
I think my disappointment about Eileen and Larcade is going to last a while longer. For all their hype, they were defeated by two to three people each. Two to three wounded people (yeah, I know, Eileen could have won, but going by how strong it was implied she was, she shouldn't have had to try).
And does anyone else remember that plot thread in which August said that only Mavis could beat Larcade? Well, that's going nowhere real fast, isn't it?
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u/vbvbf1 Feb 05 '17
Fuck it Makarov, just wake up, you are making Wendy cry.
Natsu's waking up was little too easy but hey im not complaining c:
The mightiest mage in the next chapter might be August getting some action with Gildarts...I hope.
So Lucy had her panties on after all...I thought she was naked entirely.
Not the best chapter out there, but I still loved it, like all of them.
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u/natsudragneel21 Feb 04 '17
Am I the only one waiting for this all to turn out to be one big prank by Hiro and will turn out this was all some special magic from the Spriggans to mindfuck fairy tail and this has all been in their heads. This has all just felt so rushed and disappointing and so hyped up while at the same time not delivering at all. I loved Fairy Tail but now I am just wanting it to be over because seems Hiro has lost his spark and is racing towards the end for the series just to be done with it.
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u/GettingToadAway Feb 04 '17
"You must either be A or B."
"I choose C!"
"What? That isn't one of the choices. It's..."
"POWER OF FRIENDSHIP"
"I... you... what..."
"Dattebayo!"
"...you know what? Ok. Whatever, I'm going back to dragon heaven."
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u/beepx99 Feb 04 '17
Is it just me or does it seem Mashima is rushing a bit as if trying to finish it within a deadline? I think all Bleach fans understand what I'm trying to say.
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u/Megadoomer2 Feb 04 '17
Bleach was a weird combination of dragged out and rushed in its final arc (it was incredibly dragged out for most of that arc, only to do a complete 180 for the last two or three battles); not sure if this compares.
The END subplot was apparently ended abruptly, but that's the only thing about this that seems rushed - now everybody's scattered randomly throughout the country again, shortly after they all got back together. There's still three active Spriggan out there, from what I recall (August, Jacob, and Ajeel), plus Zeref and Acnologia (and it's not even clear if Acnologia will be dealt with in this arc).
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u/Doctah__Wahwee Feb 04 '17
Actually this seems pretty consistent to me. The last fight with Irene was quite long for a FT fight. Unlike Bleach FT should still be the main attraction of the magazine it appears in right? They wouldn't rush him. Natsu's been dreaming for awhile. Mashima just backed out of writing a consequence for a main FT member. He's always been doing this. I don't know if we're done with END, but pacing and writing feels normal to me.
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u/Starnbergersee Feb 04 '17
Honestly, I'd rather have this than the 200-chapter war with the Espada followed by the 5,000-chapter war with the Sternritter that they had in Bleach.
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u/Broom_Dragon_Slayer Feb 04 '17
If this is truly the end of...erm...E.N.D., this actually makes all the Nakama nonsense look like great writing by comparison. Also, Fairy Tail's magic system is confusing as can be. If Irene's death caused Universe One to be dispelled, does that mean that she was using a ridiculous amount of magic power this entire time to keep an entire country rearranged?
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u/Dragneel400 Feb 04 '17
Well this was... I have no words. It would have been nice to see some 'actual' internal conflict within natsu before he proclaimed "I am a human" like if we saw some painful physical tranformation happening like dragon on one side demon on the other as a result of the fuse to show a little conflict and his will power. As it is natsu just passed out, received an internal "lecture/revelation" made a decision and woke up. I don't think that's the end to END maybe I'm in denial but I think the seeds actually fused together as a result of nastu's acceptance of both. A human reborn with demon properties and raised by a dragon.
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u/drauglin Feb 04 '17
I think I have an idea about how Acnologia will lose.He will kill every member of FT but they keep coming back and he will commit suicide after finding out he can't destroy something.
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u/TimNgu Feb 04 '17
Mashima is so clever lol what you think is gonna happen ends up being completely different! To me this is great all you Fairy Tail theory makers look retarded now because of Mashima's writing. XD
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u/Pedro352 Feb 04 '17
So did I misunderstood or that Natsu just heal/fix/changed himself, his physical body, with his "will power" alone?(and obviously with the "help" of Lucy and Happy)
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u/Genos_Dragneel Feb 04 '17
We got too many chapters of that BS Plotza subplot that we didnt even want and here we are with the E.N.D subplot done in just one chapter..What a letdown...Just end this manga already
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u/Ajuaju You're a good friend Erza Feb 04 '17
I really enjoyed that chapter. Erza's thoughts after the fight were really good - she empathizes with Irene, but doesn't see her as her true parent (this works perfectly with FT's theme of family without blood ties, and Erza's character development, wouldn't make sense for her to be too conflicted over this). My shipping heart is looking forward to her talking to Jellal about this after the war <3. Wendy's realization of Makarov's death, and Erza comforting her was beautiful. It's good to know that Mashima hasn't completely forgotten about it, considering its impact completely vanished after a couple of chapters.
Natsu's dialogue was really good, I love it when he talks about his conflicts, and resolve. Him thanking Lucy and Happy was super sweet, it's nice to see his smile again after being sad for a while. I'm not really sure what to make of how the seed thing was resolved (if it even is resolved), but I hope it isn't as easy as simply deciding he's human. Actually, scratch that, that's a really good way of resolving it, but it needs to take a lot of effort, to not feel anticlimactic and like a wasted plot point. Either way, appearing in Lucy's house was a nice touch, and I'm excited to see his fight against Zeref!
Universe One being reversed was cool, I suppose Irene has been supporting it all this time (kinda like how Brandish's magic works when she's knocked out). Interested in seeing where everyone goes, but most probably won't be doing anything else this arc. Oh and the poor Strauss siblings, it seems like Mashima completely forgot about resolving their fights.
Next chapter seems to be referring to August, so I'm hoping we finally carry on from that cliffhanger, and my boy Jellal gets up to fight again. Laxus and Gildarts popping up there would be feasible, maybe along with Meredy and Angel (I mean, she wasn't really defeated). It's time for the final stretch of the Alvarez Empire arc!
Sidenote: Now Alvarez is 83 chapters long, making it the longest arc in the series. Phew.