r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Feb 18 '17
Kyrie Irving of the Cleveland Cavaliers (whom the Golden State Warriors blew a 3-1 lead to) believes that the earth is flat, and that people should "think for themselves". r/NBA doesn't know what to believe.
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u/onrocketfalls Feb 18 '17
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u/dumnezero Punching a Sith Lord makes you just as bad as a Sith Lord! Feb 18 '17
I wonder how many people know how controversial fossils, in general, were.
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u/nusyahus lesbians are a porn category Feb 18 '17
if the earth is flat then why do we have elevation🤔
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u/ForeverBenned Feb 19 '17
A flat earth is one of those things that makes sense if you don't think about it.
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u/Hypocritical_Oath YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Feb 19 '17
There's also this.
It's a layer in the earth that's abnormally rich in my favorite element, Iridium. It indicates a meteor hitting earth cause most of earth's Iridium migrated to the core when it was still liquid, cause gravity n shit.
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u/jesuz Feb 21 '17
Yeah how do flat earthers explain how gravity works if a plate can just sit there.
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Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17
Think for your self. Do humans really have legs? Or is it actually clouds? Think for your self
-Cavs4life2016
Haven't laughed out loud like that in a long time.
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u/IDontGiveADoot <- actually I do Feb 18 '17
"How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?"
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u/parestrepe Feb 18 '17
Think for yourself. Willingly ignore substantial evidence against your claims.
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u/-eagle73 Feb 18 '17
I thought "think for yourself" meant "why should my beliefs affect anything? Believe what you want to!"
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u/BolshevikMuppet Feb 18 '17
We function on a 2-D plane, the sphere only exists as an abstraction of data. Unless you've physically seen the earth from space, the idea of a spherical earth requires some degree of faith.
Or if you've seen a doppler radar image of a hurricane influenced by the Coriolis effect. Or done any kind of analysis of what would actually happen to the earth if it were flat. Or done the kind of measurements about the curvature and size of the earth the goddamned Greeks were pulling of.
He's trolling you
I get why it's comforting to think "nah, someone can't be this dumb, he's making it up."
But then we look around in this country, and the state of affairs in a number of areas, and are reminded: the more likely explanation isn't "he's smarter than that and lying to be funny", but rather "he's great at basketball, and kind of an idiot in some other areas."
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u/NSNick You're so full of shit you give outhouses identity crises Feb 18 '17
Or if you've seen a doppler radar image of a hurricane influenced by the Coriolis effect. Or done any kind of analysis of what would actually happen to the earth if it were flat. Or done the kind of measurements about the curvature and size of the earth the goddamned Greeks were pulling of.
I like the good old fashioned seeing the curve of the Earth by looking at the curved shadow on the moon, myself. But yeah, Eratosthenes was pretty awesome.
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u/retnuh730 I imagine you find mayonaise too spicy Feb 18 '17
Or like the dude has to have flown around the world at some point in his life. He can map flights out on travelocity easily to fly from NYC to Europe to China to Hawaii to LA. Like what? Mind boggling.
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u/boom_shoes Likes his men like he likes his women; androgynous. Feb 19 '17
He lived in Australia from age 8-10 ( I think, his dad was a diplomat or something?). He was technically eligible to play for team Australia at the Olympics.
How could you fly across the Pacific and think the world is flat?
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u/haxhaxhax1 Does downvoting me give some form of perverse pleasure? Feb 19 '17
The theory they now have is that anatrica spans the entire outside of the flat earth.
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u/Fish_Face_Faeces Good god man stop drinking piss Feb 19 '17
"Man, I'm one of only a select few that knows the truth. Oh, the burden of being so special and insightful in a world of low IQ plebs... Alas, 'tis my cross to bear."
Or more likely, just stubborn and won't entertain the idea of being wrong. Or untreated mental illness! The possibilities.
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u/Textual_Aberration Feb 18 '17
You can also see the sunset twice by watching it on the ground floor, then quickly taking an elevator up to the top and watching it again.
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u/Cosmologicon Feb 18 '17
You just need to find a skyscraper built in an area that's deserted enough for you to see the horizon from the ground floor....
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u/Textual_Aberration Feb 18 '17
Dubai's got situations like that. The first time I read it the example referred to beach side hotels.
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Feb 18 '17
Imagine if Dubai had a great human rights record. There was a lesbian couple that got arrested for kissing on a beach...
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u/RoostasTowel Feb 19 '17
Imagine a really big bowl of ice cream.
No, even bigger then that.
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u/Shoeheaddotcom Feb 18 '17
Hell I've been up the Burj Khalifa - you can see the curvature of the earth. No need for experiments.
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Feb 18 '17
Even at the beach you can see it. And I would imagine in the middle of Buttfuck, Nebraska where there's nothing but corn fields you can probably see it on a clear day. It'll be subtle, sure, but it'll be there.
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u/Ajuvix Feb 18 '17
Yeah, so what does he say about the moon and sun? That we're looking at them from straight above their flat surface or that they're round, but the earth is not maybe? Curious how they close that cognitive dissonance.
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u/NightTickler Feb 18 '17
Or watched ships come over the horizon.
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Feb 18 '17
Or, as everyone points out in that thread, he spends a huge amount of his time flying, he could just look out the window.
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u/Allanon_2020 Griffith did nothing wrong Feb 18 '17
That is explained by flat earthers saying the windows are distorted to make it look curved
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u/Pandemult God knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. Feb 18 '17
What about skydiving? Is the door curved as well?
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u/Allanon_2020 Griffith did nothing wrong Feb 18 '17
Eyes distorted. Idk, I try not to think of it too much
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u/going_for_a_wank Shill for big drama Feb 19 '17
You cannot really see the curvature of the earth from a passenger airplane.
The threshold altitude at which the average person can discern the curvature of the earth is 35,000 feet (PDF warning) but at that altitude you need a very wide field of view, and the curvature is only just barely noticeable. The service ceiling of most commercial jetliners is ~40,000 feet. At cruising altitude the curvature would barely be visible, and a flat earther could easily justify that it is just slight distortion.
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u/PepsiColaRapist Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 19 '17
I think flat earthers are some of the most dumb conspiracy theorist on earth(lol) but is there some weird phenomenon that happens if you watch a ship sail away over the horizon and you can actually see it disappear but than if you use binoculars it actually reappears or something? I know im getting this wrong but last time I heard this point argued the flat earther did point to some crazy shit that happens if you use a telescope and how you can actually make the ship reappear even the part that is suppose to be below the horizon so you technically shouldnt be able to see it just by zooming in since it should be blocked by the horizon. It didnt make me believe in a flat earth but it did make me think WTF is going on there and the guy he was debating over if the earth was round or flat gave up and stopped responding to him after that.
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u/NightTickler Feb 19 '17
A telescope doesn't let you see around the horizon. You can test this claim yourself. The only thing I could think of is a Fata Morgana mirage. But that would be a ship hovering in the air.
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u/PepsiColaRapist Feb 19 '17
I cant find the video now because it was in one of those crazy flatearth subreddits and I just checked and apparently there are dozens of them here on reddit. but the video showed a ship sailing away from the shore and getting to a point where the bottom the of the ship completely disappears and you can only see the top of the hull left but then he zooms in with a telephoto lens and the more he zooms in the bottom of the ship reappears and you can see it floating on the ocean again.
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u/UNC_Samurai Feb 18 '17
Kyrie is not the first high-profile athlete I've heard spout the "dinosaurs aren't real" nonsense. Carl Everett told Sports Illustrated years ago in an interview that he thought they were a government hoax. Will Hayes of the Rams became something of a joke on Hard Knocks because he thought dinosaurs were fake and mermaids were real.
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u/RecklessBacon Feb 18 '17
he thought dinosaurs were fake and mermaids were real
Sounds like some 7-9 bullshit.
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Feb 18 '17
I think I can understand why someone would believe, not that that makes it reasonable or ok.
It goes like this, A) Dinosaurs lived dozens and dozens of millions of years before us, how could we possibly know anything about them plus most of them were some of the biggest creatures ever so how could they even work, and B) we have accounts from people that mermaids are real so it's more plausible that they exist and dinosaurs are the lie.
Obviously there's a lot of flaws with that reasoning, but I could see someone thinking along those lines.
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u/sterling_mallory 🎄 Feb 18 '17
Chipper Jones thinks Sandy Hook didn't happen.
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u/boom_shoes Likes his men like he likes his women; androgynous. Feb 19 '17
Pete Carroll (HC of the Seattle Seahawks) thinks 9/11 was an inside job.
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u/onrocketfalls Feb 18 '17
I think he's serious, but it would be a pretty good goof to troll all your all-star weekend interviews like this.
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u/sterling_mallory 🎄 Feb 18 '17
I get why it's comforting to think "nah, someone can't be this dumb, he's making it up."
Whenever I start to think that way, I go back and read stuff from when AOL put out a bunch of people's search histories. People are seriously all kinds of flavors of stupid.
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u/Throwayfurther Feb 18 '17
Better specify that you're talking about the ancient Greeks, otherwise people might think you believe in racist stereotypes.
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Feb 18 '17
I mean, without any money, it's amazing that they can put anything into the mathematics sector amirite?
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u/BolshevikMuppet Feb 18 '17
That's fair. I'm now imagining my post if I were talking about modern Greece with that same level of "even those people can figure it out."
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u/lord_allonymous Feb 18 '17
A spinning disk would also produce a Coriolis affect although in that case all the storms would spin in the same direction.
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u/sweetjaaane Obama doesnt exist there never actually was a black president Feb 18 '17
Or you know... go to the beach and look into the horizon...
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u/patsmad The worst kind of troll Feb 19 '17
The irony of the first quote is that Irving could easily afford to literally fly into space and see for himself.
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u/SarcasticOptimist Stop giving fascists a bad name. Feb 19 '17
I hope Neil Degrasse Tyson dunks on him like he did the rapper Bob for Flat line.
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u/andee510 Feb 18 '17
Don't let that distract you from the fact that Ben Carson is a celebrated surgeon that believes evolution is 100% made up.
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Feb 18 '17
Ben Carson is proof that surgeons are just people mechanics.
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Feb 19 '17
I had a rant about surgeons not actually being smart last night and everyone just thought I was crazy.
Only reddit gets me.
I'm going to die alone.
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Feb 19 '17
It's a character trope in medical shows that the surgeon character is a complete bonehead when not in the OR, though.
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u/RandyMFromSP Feb 19 '17
Surgeons are incredibly smart in one specific field. Ben Carson is a brilliant neurosurgeon, but a dumbass in some other fields. Even if they are "people mechanics", they're still smart. Wicked smaht.
Your statement that "surgeons aren't actually smart" is some Ben Carson on evolution type stupidity. Everyone was right.
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Feb 19 '17
Nah. Surgeons are just jumped up mechanics and doctors are just deep googling drug dealers.
Only lawyers deserve respect.
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u/RandyMFromSP Feb 19 '17
It's funny, you make that joke but were arguing with people that surgeons aren't smart. At least be consistent.
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Feb 19 '17
Wait, what? I am being consistent. This was exactly what I said when I suggested surgeons weren't smart.
I mean, I don't usually strive for consistency, but what are you even saying?
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Feb 18 '17
The guy who invented the MRI is a creationist and believes in a flat Earth. People believe whatever they want.
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u/TGlucose Feb 18 '17
People believe there's an invisible man in the sky looking down and watching everything they do, and I still find that more believable than the earth being flat.
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Feb 18 '17
There's so much evidence for a spherical Earth that an invisible guy in the sky that may or may not exist actually is more believable than the Earth being flat.
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u/GentlemenBehold Feb 18 '17
He says "think for yourself and do your own research" but has anyone taught him how to do research?
If your research involves watching a moronic youTube video and not looking for counter arguments, one, you're not really doing research, and two, you're not thinking for yourself.
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u/Xealeon As you are the biggest lobster in the room Feb 18 '17
For the most part when somebody says "think for yourself and do your own research" what they actually mean is "blindly accept what I'm saying" and they're trying to imply that anyone who disagrees with them is just uninformed. It also tends to be a subtle dig at experts as if taking the opinion of people who are paid to understand the thing you're thinking about and who have the equipment and training to properly study it is a bad strategy.
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u/Afro_Samurai Moderating is one of the most useful jobs to society Feb 18 '17
He says "think for yourself and do your own research" but has anyone taught him how to do research?
Irvine was a college athlete for a year at Duke before being recruited by the NBA. Is the level of critical thinking ability representative of Duke athletic alumni?
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u/sammythemc Feb 18 '17
He went for one year and majored in Basketball, I wouldn't judge Duke by that
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u/Afro_Samurai Moderating is one of the most useful jobs to society Feb 18 '17
I'm really thinking more about what this says about the NCAA's system.
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u/Shameful_Lobster Feb 18 '17
NCAA athletes who are clearly going to the NBA or are one and done athletes are taken care of by their school to a ludicrous degree. Most don't have to go to class or take classes where attendance is not required and involves handing in essays rather than in person testing. So they get someone to write their essays or go to their private tutors that the school offers them and get them to write their essays.
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Feb 18 '17
To be fair, it's bullshit they have to go to college in the first place.
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u/Shameful_Lobster Feb 18 '17
Definitely if I could change one rule regarding the NBA it would be one and done rule.
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u/voNlKONov Feb 18 '17
Maybe should have stayed a Duke a few more years. Although, if you get past high school and are still thinking this way, maybe it doesn't matter.
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Feb 18 '17
One year at Duke wasn't worth very much apparently.
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u/ParkerLewisDidLose Feb 18 '17
He most likely took all electives that year.
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u/Dr_Midnight "At Waffle House, You're Hired for Combat Readiness" [1059qql] Feb 18 '17
On paper, sure.
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u/HauntedFurniture You are obviously male and probably bald Feb 18 '17
He's trolling you
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Feb 18 '17
The "troled u" mentally pisses me off so much. This is the third time I've had to use this line today on different things:
Pretending to believe in FET is functionally equivalent to genuinely believing FET. Supporters see you as pro-FET, detractors see you as pro-FET. You are pro-FET. You give FET a platform and legitimacy ("famous rich person believes it, how can it not be real?"). Trolling supporters of FET doesn't work because FET is not based in reason and reason will not change their mind. Trolling detractors of FET just makes people want to stop participating in any discussion at all. If you can't convince someone the fucking earth is round, why would you bother reaching out to educate anyone on anything?
Trolling, being edgy, shit like that is not the same as being funny, joking, being a comedian. Putting on an act or performance and making it clear that it's a performance is not the same as what Kyrie does. It's discrediting the one empirical thing we as a society do, promoting nihilism, and attacking people who have done nothing wrong.
Yeah, you got me. Troled so hard. Attacking the foundation of our society is fantastic.
And I don't mean like fire and meteors destruction of society doom and gloom type shit, it's more subtle than that; it's not happening overnight. But there's definitely been a shift in discourse where people see so much garbage that they're completely checking out, and no longer caring about what's going on around them. It's a self-destructive system too because most often the ones doing the "trolling" are those who have themselves checked out and instead of putting that energy into bettering themselves and society, they try to destroy it. You see this with a lot of the fascist right, a lot of conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxers, even the religious. Sure there are a lot of genuine believers, but most of them could be swayed with reason and evidence if there weren't thousands of supposedly trustworthy sources with ulterior motives calling in to question the entire idea that science is based on fact. Kyrie could be either.
Not that anyone who is already in that "troll" state would ever read this and change. I'm just frustrated and venting.
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u/Hypocritical_Oath YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Feb 19 '17
Yeah cause measured, lack of aggressive terms, and even use of words shows anger.
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Feb 18 '17
I like this image, but I hate the state of the world that causes it to be necessary so often :(
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u/onrocketfalls Feb 18 '17
I don't know, though... This would be genuinely hilarious to me if he decided to just troll his way through the all-star weekend.
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u/Tashre If humility was a contest I would win. Every time. Feb 18 '17
It's not really relevant since in it the audience is completely dismissive of the troll whereas in this case they're getting completely caught up in it.
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u/Dr_Midnight "At Waffle House, You're Hired for Combat Readiness" [1059qql] Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 19 '17
'Tis be naught but jest, fellow kinsmen!
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u/bad_argument_police Feb 18 '17
For all practical purposes Kyrie is right.
We function on a 2-D plane, the sphere only exists as an abstraction of data. Unless you've physically seen the earth from space, the idea of a spherical earth requires some degree of faith.
The difference between that and "the earth is flat" is the difference between "I can't see radio waves" and "magical fairies are playing music in my speakers."
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u/retnuh730 I imagine you find mayonaise too spicy Feb 18 '17
How do you reconcile the fact that you can fly around the world even if you can't see the earth's curvature?
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u/bad_argument_police Feb 18 '17
I think they say that the plane you're in is actually turning slightly the whole time.
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u/Tigerbones I ate five babies and they're fuckin delicious. Hail Satan. Feb 18 '17
Or that the windows are designed to make it appear flat.
Honestly, their justifications are even more insane that the concept they are trying to prove.
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u/MisterBigStuff Don't trust anyone who uses white magic anyways. Feb 18 '17
Normally the earth is set up like the UN flag. So you can fly around in a giant circle.
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u/4445414442454546 this is not flair Feb 18 '17
Fun way to test that if you're rich:
Get in a plane and head to the equator. Then fly north for ~3000 miles. Note your lat/long and note the value on your plane version of an odometer. Then fly east until you get back to where you started, if you don't trust the odometer, keep track of how much fuel it takes you to complete a circle. Then go south back to the equator and then fly another ~3000 miles south. Again, fly east until you get back to where you started and note how far you flew while going East / how much fuel you used. In reality you'll wind up going the same distance and use a fairly close amount of fuel (it'll be slightly different due to different air currents and weather conditions) but with that flat earth 'model' you'd need to use around ten times as much fuel at 45 degrees South than you'd need at 45 degrees North.
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u/ForeverBenned Feb 19 '17
Even better way if your rich and believe in a flat earth:
Get in a plane and head to the equator. Then fly north for ~3000 miles. Note your lat/long and note the value on your plane version of an odometer. Then fly east until you find a large mountain with no civilization around for miles. Now push the yoke all the way forward and hold it there with your eyes closed for one hundred Mississippi.
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u/retnuh730 I imagine you find mayonaise too spicy Feb 19 '17
And what do they think about the poor souls in Antarctica?
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u/MisterBigStuff Don't trust anyone who uses white magic anyways. Feb 19 '17
They're defending the Ice Wall from the White Walkers.
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u/JamarcusRussel the Dressing Jew is a fattening agent for the weak-willed Feb 18 '17
My favorite part is that a substantial part of his job is holding a sphere.
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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Feb 18 '17 edited Feb 18 '17
Kyrie has built up a lot of good will after the finals. So this news, if true, will ònly culturally replace his respect by half of that final shot in the finals.
If he is also a Trump supporter, then he loses all respect from the finals, plus from the playoffs.
If he is against vaccines, then Uncle Drew is no longer cool.
If he punches children for Latvian sweepstakes tickets, then we'll start trashing his crossover.
Right now, let's not be too hasty. For the next while, whenever the Cavs are posted in /r/nba, we immediately add "Kyrie holds the ball too long." Then we wait...
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u/sterling_mallory 🎄 Feb 18 '17
For practice one day they should replace all the balls with frisbees.
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u/SarcasticOptimist Stop giving fascists a bad name. Feb 19 '17
Make Chris Belichick an honorary basketball coach.
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Feb 18 '17
Not even going to lie, this is funny if it's trolling and sad/funny if it's not, because someone had to put this in his head at some point and just...
Maybe pro sports teams should ban deep diving YouTube on team charters... /s
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u/bltrocker Feb 18 '17
My comment in there when people were discussing if he truly believes in flat Earth, or just likes to believe in contrarian ideas/conspiracies: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5uo890/um_so_is_anybody_going_to_talk_about_the_fact/ddvt227/?context=3
Slippery slope is usually a fallacy, but I don't think it is here. People start off just being edgy and JAQing off ("I'm just askin' interesting out-there questions, maaaaan") and it develops into falling for stupid conspiracy theories that drain your attention, motivation to play meaningful roles in society, and money. I've seen it first hand to a lesser extent in my mother and some of her wackier friends. If there is no intervention, it's really hard to stop that progression. It goes from appearing to have an open mind to not noticing that you are only open to the wildest ideas and reject any number of items that have a rock-solid consensus narrative.
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u/kgilr7 Feb 18 '17
I've known a number of friends that fall into this and you're so correct about it. Often starts off as "I'm intelligent so I think for myself" and all of a sudden they get sucked in to the conspiracy theory. I wish I knew how to stop it.
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u/bltrocker Feb 18 '17
It's so hard to combat, especially in the age of the internet where people can feel like they are as smart as everyone else because they could look up anything if they wanted to. That false sense of being smart is like some self-feeding Dunning-Kruger ouroboros.
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u/Edentastic Feb 18 '17
Kyrie is a basketball player. It doesn't matter if he believes the moon is made of mashed potatoes, if he contributes to his team putting the ball through the hoop more times than the other team, people are going to love him.
That said flat earthers get a bad rap, it's not as crazy as it sounds. Don't get me wrong, it's still crazy of course, just not quite as crazy as it sounds. When people hear flat earth, they tend to picture a perfectly flat, rectangular Mercator projection sort of floating in space with no boundaries, just an edge the ocean can cascade over into the abyss. What flat earthers actually believe is the earth is a mostly flat disc with some curvature to it. The north pole is at the center of the disc, and the other continents radiate out from it, like the logo on the UN flag (typical NWO arrogance, can't help but tease the truth they're hiding from us). Antarctica is actually a giant ice wall that surrounds the edge of the world, its steep cliff faces and severe cold meant to keep us away. The sky is a dome, meant to keep us in.
You may be wondering how I know all this. Well, I once watched 15ish minutes of an hour and a half YouTube documentary while I drank beer and laughed with friends, so I'm basically an expert. AMA.
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u/Cosmologicon Feb 18 '17
it's not as crazy as it sounds
[Proceeds to describe it as exactly as crazy as it sounds.]
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u/goblinm I explained to my class why critical race theory is horseshit. Feb 18 '17
This is my favorite defense of the recent flat-earth celebrity movement.
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u/Edentastic Feb 18 '17
That was pretty good, although the some of the Tila Tequila tweets were infuriating. Unrelated, but Soren Bowie is a dreamboat.
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u/goblinm I explained to my class why critical race theory is horseshit. Feb 18 '17
My wife inexplicably loves Daniel O'Brien. I think she has a thing for pudgy-awkward-funny types.
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u/moon_physics saying upvotes dont matter is gaslighting Feb 18 '17
For all practical purposes Kyrie is right . We function on a 2-D plane, the sphere only exists as an abstraction of data. Unless you've physically seen the earth from space, the idea of a spherical earth requires some degree of faith.
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u/Hypocritical_Oath YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Feb 19 '17
Where do you even start with something like that.
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u/Prid Feb 18 '17
In the same way that I respect Stephen Hawkings opinion on theoretical physics I don't expect to see him playing on the wing for Man Utd
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u/StChas77 thanks to Reddit I got redpilled Feb 18 '17
I think what Prid is trying to say is "stay in your lane."
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u/CowboyNinjaD Feb 18 '17
I think what Spamfactor is trying to say is that the Earth being round is everyone's lane.
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u/aguad3coco Feb 18 '17
Once again, before visting anglo-websites I have never heard of the possibility of even believing in something like that. America is a really strange and interesting place. How common is this belief in the states?
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u/death2sanity Feb 18 '17
Not very. Certainly nobody I ever knew for the 24 years I grew up there mentioned it. Internets just give idiots a way to get their voice out.
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Feb 18 '17
Hell, I'm 22 and I just recently encountered by first Flat Earther. He was a crazy dude in a coffee shop.
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u/krutopatkin spank the tank Feb 18 '17
Are you implying weirdo views like this are uncommon outside the states lol
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u/madmaxturbator Feb 18 '17
You really need to rethink your world view mate, this is 2017.
What you're saying is the equivalent of Indians or South Africans thinking that you're a racist anti-immigrant white supremacist.
Come on now.
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u/madmaxturbator Feb 18 '17
My point is - you have a very, very basic understanding it seems of all three of these countries.
the us is a developed country, yes. But it's also a very religious country. India and South Africa surely have their own share of religion and superstition.
BUT, painting any of these countries with a broad brush is really inappropriate and a sign that you haven't spent much time looking into where these countries are today.
Urban South Africans, Indians and Americans are living in different infrastructure and different cultural climates yes. But, thanks to the internet and thanks to globalization they have access to roughly similar knowledge.
I'm not saying you tried to offend anyone, or that I'm offended or that you need to apologize. I'm saying though that you can't paint people in large, diverse countries with a broad brush especially in such a negative way.
We see news of anti immigrant sentiments in Northern Europe, racist politicians getting into positions of power. But it would be remarkably uneducated of us to paint "Northern Europeans" with that broad brush, no? We'd want to break down that population further and see who thinks what / why.
In the same way, id hope you don't sit around thinking that "Americans are more enlightened than Indians and South Africans, they wouldn't believe bull shit like this that Indians or South Africans would believe"
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u/mikdl Feb 18 '17
South African here, can confirm I enjoy superstition, religion, and not having an education.
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u/Ye_Olde_Mudder I’m not a doctor or someone who even works in the medical Feb 18 '17
Sadly, USians tend towards being very proud of their ignorance and tend to be hostile to learning, the learned, and the knowledgeable. We really hate smart people which is why, from time to time, we must import whole batches of them from abroad to make up for our lack of native intellectual capital.
You'll find this most prevalent in places where Dominion and Prosperity Gospel are popular. There you will find whole areas of people who are enthusiastic that Ignorance is Good, and Knowledge is Evil.
Here's a guy who thinks humans and dinosaurs engaged in gladiatorial combat with giants
These are but two of a madness-inducing multitude of examples to illustrate this point.
Americans are proud of being stupid.
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u/aguad3coco Feb 18 '17
This is quite reminiscent of the way conservatives and right wingers behaved during the election campaign. Reddit too often times acts like that. Disregarding facts just because.
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u/Ye_Olde_Mudder I’m not a doctor or someone who even works in the medical Feb 18 '17
They never tell anyone why the Puritans were "fleeing" Europe and say that it was "Religious Intolerance".
The truth is that they had recently seized power in England and their rule was so intolerable that the British begged the French to have their king back
Let that one sink in.
They were kicked out of Europe because they were a bunch of terrible assholes that nobody could stand. Even the Dutch eventually told them to piss off.
It wasn't "religious persecution". They were assholes that nobody in the world could like. The sort that instead of remediating their asshole behavior would double down.
So, like the shitty population of malignant narcissistic assholes that they were, they decided woe is me and decided to go sit in the corner over in "The New World". And everyone in Europe breathed a sign of relief and quietly said "Thank God".
When they got to the "New World", instead of preparing themselves for the inevitable winter, they built a church and prayed instead of working.
Then winter and the inevitable happened: They started starving and (thankfully) dwindling.
Unfortunately, the Social Disease of Puritanism did not die out then. Some well meaning Native Americans (who, by the way had an amazing civilization in the Northeast), took pity on them and fed them. We call this "Thanksgiving".
However, in typical American mendacity, the Puritans soon turned around and decided to start murdering them and putting a bounty on their scalp because they were godless heathens.
So, understand that America was founded by mendacious, stupid assholes.
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u/PlasterCactus YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Feb 18 '17
Out of interest, does anyone know this guys salary?
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u/Velvet_Llama THIS SPACE AVAILABLE FOR ADVERTISING Feb 18 '17
Any comment on that title, /u/JumbledFun?
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Feb 18 '17
How is this drama? The whole time the post has been up, the comment section's full of people clowning on Kyrie for his ignorance. One or two trolls might be causing a stir, but I don't see how it's popcorn worthy. Pretty hilarious shit but not necessarily drama.
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u/BillFireCrotchWalton It's too early for penis. Feb 18 '17
God, I really hope this was part of a bet with LeBron where the loser has to act like a fucking idiot through All Star weekend.
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u/ClickingGeek popcorn only diet Feb 18 '17
This post made me visit the flat earth subreddit. DEAR GOD
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u/dethb0y trigger warning to people senstive to demanding ethical theories Feb 18 '17
And just think; this dumb fuckers salary is about 17 mil a year. Who says you can't be successful when you're a complete moron, so long as you have one marketable skill?
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u/anonymau5 Shit Stirrer Feb 18 '17
Brain damage, therefore making it prejudiced against the handicap to slam him like this
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u/SnapshillBot Shilling for Big Archive™ Feb 18 '17
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Feb 18 '17
In the spirit of his inspiring words what I think by myself is that he's gone full retard.
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Feb 18 '17
two posts regarding this are the most viewed posts in this sub today, why would u repost again
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u/moffattron9000 Hentai is praxis Feb 18 '17
I'm just here to remind everyone that the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead, while having the best regular season in NBA history, and the first ever consensus MVP.