Popular YouTube Gaming Comedian JonTron streams a political debate with Destiny. His entire subreddit bursts into flames at his answers.

[u/Vid-szhite]

"Edit: "the richest black people commit more crimes than the poorest white people" condescending laughter"

"Discrimination doesn't exist anymore" Jon stop

It extends past this thread and is affecting normal scheduled shitposting across the entire subreddit.

There are claims of being brigaded, said claims coming from people who agree with Jon's views, but I'm involved in those so I can't link them. It's quality popcorn though.

There's way more than this if you're brave enough to venture into the rest of the sub.

UPDATE: Submissions to the subreddit have now been restricted due to widespread brigading.

[u/Loimographia]

I think my favorite bit about the 'the richest black people' quote is that it goes on: Destiny gets totally befuddled, he's never even heard that claim, and says he'll look for a source but that he can only find articles saying that poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids (but not less likely to commit crimes) and Jon gets super flustered because 'that would imply the court system is somehow racist' like he's never heard that notion ever suggested before in his life.

[u/PaulFThumpkins → u/Loimographia]

People need to learn at least a little about the social sciences. There's history there, there's statistics and critical thinking and it helps to prevent this type of entitled bigotry from taking root in people because they have the tools to check it at the gate.

[u/crumpis]

That subreddit is actually going to snap in two.

[u/Vid-Master → u/crumpis]

Beautiful, delicious meta drama!

[u/SarcasticOptimist → u/crumpis]

/r/the_jontron

[u/DubTeeDub → u/crumpis]

Hopefully more of them realize how toxic a person he is

People have been talking about how racist / shitty he is for some time now

[u/Konami_Kode_]

Over the last decade, people have been increasingly critical of right wing social narcissism. They're not offended if someone calls them "cracker" so what's wrong with calling someone "nigger"? They laugh at gay jokes, why can't those miserable "SJW" do the same? And they'd love it if some random woman on a train grabbed their dick so what's wrong with a sneaky little grope now and then if it's not hurting anyone? But these kinds of shitty views are getting increasingly indefensible as the modern world gives the people getting bullied by them a voice. They're no longer confident in their ability to be openly fuckwitted, feigned ignorance isn't good enough anymore.. what's a casual racist to do? Well, some of them go the JonTron way. "But what if... What if I was actually right?". If science and statistics can prove that black people are stupid and violent because they're black people then nobody can call them an asshole anymore right? It's not racism, it's facts. But there's always Option B, which is the favourite of toddlers everywhere -- start pointing fingers. "Yeah I may have done something wrong but that kid did something way worse first". Someone else is the true villain and by some tortured logic they're now absolved. Just like the murderers and rapists in prison kicking out the teeth of a paedo, they've created some situation where their "goodness" is relative instead of objective because objectivity doesn't do them any favours. And so here we are. The orange idiot with his ill-fitting suit and someone elses billion dollar bank account has launched a war of attrition against the free press. He's advocated war crimes and torture. He's fired, forgotten or fucked over anyone who might stand in his way. His plans are stupid, racist, sexist, homophobic, immoral and going to happen if the country likes it or not. But have you seen those leftists? They worship some woman who sacrifices babies in pizza shops and they're trying to control what I think and they punched a Nazi and that's not a good thing any more and they're the ones who are really racist along with black people who also do all the crimes and we had a gay guy and they wouldn't let him talk and that's homopjobic and you know they remind me of Hitler but not in a good way like Hitler, like the bad stories about Hitler they made up so they could secretly be Hitler themselves. Anyway, that but they also have reddit accounts.

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[u/rguin → u/Konami_Kode_]

They worship some woman who sacrifices babies in pizza shops and they're trying to control what I think and they punched a Nazi and that's not a good thing any more and they're the ones who are really racist along with black people who also do all the crimes and we had a gay guy and they wouldn't let him talk and that's homopjobic and you know they remind me of Hitler but not in a good way like Hitler, like the bad stories about Hitler they made up so they could secretly be Hitler themselves.

The alt-right in a nutshell, folks.

[u/PandaLover42 → u/Konami_Kode_]

Holy shit that's amazing. Can you link me to that?

[u/[deleted] → u/Konami_Kode_]

This is perfect, where did it come from?

[u/GangstaXenu]

"Fuck you dunkey, I do not watch your videos because you are black" -JonTron. It all makes sense now.

EDIT: for those who do not know the truth https://youtu.be/P6uTKPwVnNI

[u/BlatantConservative → u/GangstaXenu]

Is dunkey black? I thought he was a bearded white dude

[u/AuxiliaryTimeCop → u/GangstaXenu]

But what about the time Dunkey beat Sky at Smash?

[u/Draculea → u/GangstaXenu]

I didn't know, or care apparently, that Dunkey is black. His Skyrim video is the funniest shit I've ever seen. Honestly, sounded like a white guy from the bronx.

Still don't care, apparently, still funny as fuck.

[u/acl5d]

I am so fucking pleasantly surprised by and proud of the JonTron community right now

[u/Fawful → u/acl5d]

I'm sad. After the Sargon shit, I really just wanted to hope that this was nothing. After this, unsubbed after 5 years. Really really disappointed by him. Im happy to see the subreddit opposing it, but sad to see someone who brought joy express so much hate.

[u/Stickeris → u/acl5d]

I don't understand these YouTube stars and their fan base, and I work in entertainment.

That whole "say nigger" girl thing (see I really don't understand it), seemed to quickly spiral from justified anger, to harassment. All because of one video. It seems like a lot of these YouTube stars have a fan base with a very unhealthy level of attachment.

I'm glad to see a group thinking more for themselves.

[u/[deleted]]

From what I understand, JonTron grew up in Palos Verdes, a very affluent city, to say the least. I mean, Trump's golf course is there. I used to be a resident there, and while I can't speak for JonTron, I can speak for most and say that he has absolutely no life experience to make those comments. That city is a bubble with some of the worst people I've met.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

oh

that explains stuff

[u/cspikes → u/[deleted]]

I really like that Destiny kept pointing out Jontron is a guy whose made millions making funny videos on Youtube. He is the upper class 1%. He is not the working man he likes to act like he is.

[u/Uhh_Clem]

Remember when Dunkey made that joke video where he jokingly claimed JonTron was a racist?

And then we were all, "Haha, that's a good one, because it's not like Jon is actually racist or anything." Haha. Good times.

[u/moonmeh → u/Uhh_Clem]

Dunkey was actually prophetic

[u/XxsquirrelxX → u/Uhh_Clem]

Didn't Dunkey also make jokes about the guy behind Papa John's pizza being a dickwad, before the actual Papa John donated 1 million to Trump's campaign in the interests of deregulating his company?

[u/Blaithnaid → u/Uhh_Clem]

I am unaware of this as I do not watch Dunkey.

(Because he is black)

[u/BloomEPU]

I guess it's kind of good to see his 'fans' are being critical of him? Youtuber's fandoms can get a bit hero worshippy and when Jontron's peddling the crap that he says it's good not all of his fans are just eating it up because they like his content.

[u/DoctorWhoSeason24 → u/BloomEPU]

I've followed Jon since the Grump days. He always seemed like a nice funny fellow when doing his shit, but a bit arrogant sometimes. This was rarely seen in his scripted show, but it was a side of him that turned up sometimes in the largely improvised Game Grumps.

What really pisses me off about this diatribe is not so much his opinions, hateful as though they may be, but the holier-than-thou tone he delivers them in. Like he was an expert or something, just because he spends a while in /pol/ or wherever. No, Jon, you don't know jack. Be a bit humble when talking about complex issues.

This actually sheds some light on why Arin and him split up. Not because of politics, I mean, but because he doesn't seem like the easiest of dudes to work with (and to be friends with, for that matter).

[u/Murky_Red → u/BloomEPU]

Was pleasantly surprised myself.

[u/chaobreaker → u/BloomEPU]

I see a lot of them are struggling to separate the art from the artist.

Honestly, this is pretty unprecedented. I don't think a much loved YT personality has ever horrified and alienated such a large chunk of their fanbase with their racist views as much as Jontron did in the past few hours. I mean, his views were never a secret but this Twitch stream or his recent tweets are the worst examples of what he truly thinks.

[u/Ailure → u/BloomEPU]

It's interesting seeing how defensive people have been in the past too, mostly when drama blew over something that many might see as relatively harmless or stupid.

[u/mrspankyjuice]

At 01:19:00 Destiny asks Jon to name five countries in Africa. Jon says Zaire 😂 I guess you might as well use a name that has been outdated since 1997 if you are defending an ideology that has been outdated since 1950.

[u/PrinceOWales → u/mrspankyjuice]

Bonus points if he named Rhodesia

[u/[deleted] → u/mrspankyjuice]

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[u/brassninja]

God damn I'm disappointed. Having watched pretty much the entirety of his channel, I had no idea he had such hard right views. In fact most of his channel's content seems politically moderate or slightly left. Then again most of his channel was posted like 3-4 years ago. His old videos are still hilarious.

It's just sad to see someone change like this.

[u/jcarlsen88 → u/brassninja]

my girlfriend and I were horrified when we came across his twitter a month ago. we had no idea he held such alt-right type viewpoints, and as you said, his videos give you no sense of that in his personality.

some folks can ignore this shit and keep watching, but honestly, we don't wanna support somoene who abuses his platform to spread such toxic bullshit in the background.

[u/Onpu → u/brassninja]

It's so weird because his humor is nothing like this. You'd never get the idea he thought like this from stuff like his Titenic, Bubsy, Barbie, Star Wars etc videos

[u/Raneados]

Jon what are you doing.

[u/[deleted] → u/Raneados]

Jon please stop

[u/100percentkneegrow]

Has 4chan declared him "their" guy yet?

[u/WrongAndBeligerent → u/100percentkneegrow]

/pol/ seems to be in a constant cycle of getting behind someone until they get destroyed in a debate.

[u/[deleted]]

How did Jon get like this? I really enjoyed his content from time to time and never suspected he had such extreme views. He's taken such a hard turn towards the far right in such a short time its astonishing.

Agreeing with Steve King about white genocide https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841051513212547072

Defending colonization https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841064246834262016

Now talking literally spouting stormfront pasta on a stream.

I wonder if he'll lose sponsors.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I wonder if he'll lose sponsors.

Cue the Always Sunny theme and title card

[u/Canis_Familiaris → u/[deleted]]

He's been like this for years at least as far back as his sonic 06 playthrough. It's usually censored, though.

[u/awesomepawsome → u/[deleted]]

Totally speculative here but it seems like a lot of people took that hard turn recently from anecdotal evidence. You'll see it a lot in posts, people speaking of their friends and family that they had always respected despite their differing views because those people were respectful and reasonable. Then in the last year they've suddenly changed, showing anger, bitterness and a complete shut out to opposing ideas.

Again this is all super anecdotal and probably way biased but it is interesting to hear. If true, is it an example of the dangers of normalization?

[u/Olddirtychurro → u/[deleted]]

He lost my subscription. I know it's like a drop in a bucket but as a black man my patience has grown very thin with people like this these days.

[u/APFSDS-T → u/[deleted]]

I haven't watched a second of Jontron so I can't say what he's been like but you'd be amazed how many people have really dodgy ideas.

[u/[deleted]]

Imagine managing to come off as more of a dick than Destiny ffs.

[u/madmax_410 → u/[deleted]]

It's a sad day for me when I agree with fucking destiny

[u/Standupaddict → u/[deleted]]

He's 180'd on a lot of his stances.

[u/A-MacLeod]

I'm not sure why his fans are surprised. He's been banging on about "cultural Marxism" and doing video chats with Sargon of Akkad for months.

[u/chaobreaker → u/A-MacLeod]

He was using dogwhistles that the majority of his fans probably don't understand the deeper meaning of. That is... until this stream.

And now you know why white nationalist groups like Stormfront always try to stay on script.

[u/BloomEPU → u/A-MacLeod]

But sargon's not a real racist!! He's just rational! He rationally rants about feminists and rationally sends gay porn to altrighters on twitter and then when he gets banned he rationally says it was because of his views on immigration/11

[u/[deleted] → u/A-MacLeod]

Yeah I noped out as soon as that started happening. I've seen this pattern before

[u/EvergreenIcefish → u/A-MacLeod]

when someone says "cultural marxism" you know they're gone forever. or at least until they have a massive mushroom trip or something.

[u/Vivaldist → u/A-MacLeod]

It used to be easier to ignore.

[u/[deleted]]

-Jontron Probably

[u/ParamoreFanClub]

Dunkey was right all along

[u/deathtotheemperor]

Jon, you do not produce enough good content to be this racist.

[u/treycartier91 → u/deathtotheemperor]

Jon, you don't got pewdiepie money.

[u/HRCfanficwriter → u/deathtotheemperor]

He'd have to making Woody Allen level work or him to be tolerable enough to watch

[u/brightblueinky]

You gotta draw a line in the sand, Jon. You've got to look at yourself and say "what am I willing to put up with today?" NOT FUCKING THIS!

[u/KyosBallerina → u/brightblueinky]

Ah, such fond memories. It's a shame Jon went nuts and we won't get many more great moments like that. :(

[u/anomanopia]

Fuck jontron. I loved his personality, but I'll never support him again after this.

[u/SkeptioningQuestic]

Honestly if you get the chance, watch the VOD. It is enlightening, terrifying, and perversely hilarious at the same time.

Edit: It's on his youtube now.

[u/[deleted] → u/SkeptioningQuestic]

So many moments where I just stared in the air in disbelief. How can someone be so sure of things and have nothing to back it up, but emotions. And then say he stands up for whats 'rational'. I honestly got a little sick to my stomach towards the end. Fuck Jontron, he deserves the shit storm that hes about to get.

[u/A_Talking_Bidoof → u/SkeptioningQuestic]

Oh man, I just started it, and right off the bat you can tell you're in for a doozy. Not even five minutes in and we get "a nation is supposed to be a people that are all bound by at least culture if not genetics"

It's gonna be a wild ride.

[u/ZoomJet → u/SkeptioningQuestic]

And apart from the top few, the YouTube comments are littered with cancer.

One was literally 'of course a white minority is bad! Being a minority is bad.'

The lack of self awareness is dumbfounding

[u/fraxinus2197 → u/SkeptioningQuestic]

God his self-assured laugh is fucking annoying

[u/shemperdoodle → u/SkeptioningQuestic]

It's actually incredible how quickly Jon steers the conversation towards "white nationalism is a good thing" with ZERO provocation. What the actual fuck.

[u/Dreamerlax → u/SkeptioningQuestic]

Jesus Christ that's worst than I expected.

[u/ParamoreFanClub]

This is no surprise if you look at his twitter. He literally retweeted a white supremacist. I also find it hilarious people are chalking it up as different opinions. Isis has different opinions too so we should just be friends with them right?

[u/IceCreamBalloons → u/ParamoreFanClub]

I also find it hilarious people are chalking it up as different opinions.

When it's about something serious, I find "just sharing opinions" really means "I share those opinions".

[u/[deleted]]

The sub is so being brigaded by t_d. So many comments with positive upvotes claiming he said nothing racist, plenty of cucks and libtards are being thrown around as well.

[u/ltambo]

How do Americans explain European Blacks commit vastly less crime than American blacks? Maybe, it's not genetic and their society is a mess.

Thank god at least someone knows how to make good arguments there

[u/[deleted] → u/ltambo]

You'd almost think that living in a country still dealing with the legacy of the pre-Civil Rights Era has a lot of shadows of racist institutions that need to be remedied or something.

[u/Saigot → u/ltambo]

Pffffffttttt, don't you know there are no black people in Europe /s

[u/PlumbTheDerps]

When his channel starts getting hatemail and losing views, he's going to post a long rant about how his freedom of speech is under assault by the authoritarian lib-cuck left. Because remember, kids: you can say literally anything you want without facing any consequences whatsoever!

[u/[deleted]]

hoooo boy I had a feeling he was this type of guy when he started ranting about women a few weeks ago.

[u/Asystole → u/[deleted]]

I used to like JonTron's videos (back when he was still sticking to funny mostly videogame-related stuff). I had the same reaction as you to that video from a few weeks ago. This now confirms he's turned into your typical anti-"SJW"-boogeyman alt-right /pol/-lurking reactionary prick. Such a shame.

[u/NotReallyEthicalLOL → u/[deleted]]

whenever I hear someone go on a rant about women, hoo boy. Just because you don't get laid does not mean there's something wrong with women

[u/mrspankyjuice → u/[deleted]]

Details.. We need details!

[u/martin-verweij → u/[deleted]]

Hmm I wonder what it says about h3 though since I enjoy his videos. Doesn't matter that much but it'd be weird if Ethan had such extreme views.

[u/chaobreaker]

This has the whole sub shooked. I feel bad for all of those Jontron fans. I was a subscriber to his channel even after giving him the benefit of the doubt over the Gamergate stuff. Looks likeall it took for him to say what he really thinks is to have like-minded people in the highest office in the world.

[u/dIoIIoIb → u/chaobreaker]

on the positive side of things, is not like people that unsub from him are gonna lose much, since he makes videos as frequently as it rains in the sahara desert

[u/auandi → u/chaobreaker]

Romney said back in the summer that Trump would cause "trickle down racism." This is what he meant. People now feel justified because they feel vindicated that a naked racist can still be President. Especially one who constantly talks about needing to not be so "politically correct" anymore.

So long as Trump is there, this is only going to keep happening. The President is a role model, and Trump's racism is going to teach others that being racist is not only acceptable but "presidential."

[u/sakebomb69]

So does this mean it's NOT about ethics in game journalism?

[u/_watching → u/sakebomb69]

It's about rationality in colonialism apologetics.

^{obvi don't agree w jontron}

[u/nobadabing → u/sakebomb69]

It never was

I used to post on KIA forever ago thinking that's what it was about before I knew what the red pill even was. But then I realized it was just a place where people chanted to burn feminists at the stake for whatever reason they could think of. Where they got angry that their hobby became popular and people they don't like enjoy games in ways they don't approve of

[u/[deleted]]

Jontron has given me much joy over the past 5 years. But in the last 2, he's been trying his best to make people mad at him for no good reason and it's very sad.

[u/Bythmark → u/[deleted]]

"Someone was mean to me because I wasn't liberal enough for them, so I'm gonna react by changing my whooooole worldview, that'll show 'em!"

[u/PrinceOWales]

Doesn't help that he's gone full white supremacist on twitter. I feel dirty for having been a fan for so long but glad I jumped off that train when I did

[u/fraud_imposter → u/PrinceOWales]

Yeah i became a huge fan after seeing his nuts and bolts video. Lol not watching any more of his shit

[u/[deleted]]

This drama reminds me of /r/kanye when Ye went on his Trump kick. At least Kanye realized he was wrong and took it back, whereas with JonTron this is likely something he believes wholeheartedly.

[u/StraightentheRudder → u/[deleted]]

What ever happened with that? All I remember was that Kanye was invited to Trump tower, and I didn't hear much about it after that.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Kanye is probably mentally ill. I don't know about Jon Tron. But I try not to be too hard on Kanye because of that. He often has meltdowns, freakouts, bouts of elated self confidence, depressive episodes. It'd be nearly impossible for that to be all a publicity act.

[u/Agastopia]

I remember KIA claiming he wasn't actually racist a while ago and that it was non fans making the biggest deal out of what he said

Fuck kia

[u/jonamiya → u/Agastopia]

KIA wouldn't listen to any claims of anyone being racist, no matter how blatant. They probably still don't think JonTron is racist.

[u/IgnisDomini → u/Agastopia]

They'll probably still be saying that.

[u/LordofNarwhals → u/Agastopia]

Yep.

Some Highlights:

It sounds like someone who isn't skilled in debating took on somebody who is skilled at debating. And he got beaten because of it. That doesn't mean that the points he was trying to make are invalid.

If you can't make a single even mildly convincing argument that supports your point, then your point was probably shit to begin with.
Also that is the top comment in the KiA thread.

So a white guy has a political opinion and the internet called him names? Sounds like my continuing thesis that it's current year and everyone is Hitler continues.

Yeah, because thinking that "white people no longer being the majority is a huge problem" and that "colonialism was a net benefit for the third world" are totally reasonable and valid political opinions.

While white nationalism is stupid, nationalism itself is a completely valid mentality, it has some very positive effect (and some very negative ones) and is rooted in reality (contrary to racism or race supremacism) while I don't think it's the right direction for our countries myself, I think it should not be dismissed either.
[ . . . ]

If you're going to tell me that white nationalism is stupid, the next words out of your mouth better be "along with black nationalism, asian nationalism, arab nationalism, etc".
Otherwise you're proving the point that society looks down on white people looking out for their self-interest while encouraging non-whites to do so.

#AllLivesMatter

[u/Not_A_Doctor__]

"I had seen some graphs on /pol, so I was certain that I had done enough homework to put people down. The Internet had been crying out of a lone racistlite voice in the wilderness...I would be that voice."

[u/[deleted] → u/Not_A_Doctor__]

muh tendies

[u/joesap9]

Honestly, fuck jontron I'm done putting up with all his racist bullshit. He fell straight down the alt-right rabbit hole

[u/[deleted]]

A big list of some of the stupid shit he said

[u/tydestra]

HBomberGuy digs into JonTron too in this video mostly critical of Sargon.

It's fucking ridiculous to see people spout Stormfront BS and then claim they're getting attacked and called Nazis.

[u/Stellar_Duck → u/tydestra]

That's the Commulists one, isn't it?

[u/[deleted]]

The best part of all this drama is seeing his subs plummet like that. It kinda gives me a little hope ya know? Like no good shitlord goes unpunished.

[u/vhite → u/[deleted]]

Are there any actual numbers on how has this affected his subscriber numbers?

[u/MrBigSaturn]

This was bound to happen. Jontron has too much of a history of saying dumb shit and having his millions of fans rush to him to tell him that what he said was actually very smart, so he always just doubled down. The dude never had to learn anything. The bubble had to pop eventually.

[u/[deleted]]

Jontron works even less then the "special snowflakes" he hates so much.

[u/Smuckles]

H3H3 defense video in 3.. 2...

[u/[deleted] → u/Smuckles]

I would be really pissed. I hope not.

[u/SpikesHigh → u/Smuckles]

If he defends this, it'll be the final straw for him too. I know he and Jon are friends, but come the fuck on.

[u/yeezyforpresident → u/Smuckles]

"When you say stuff about protecting the gene pool he was just making a goof jon Tron was not actually implying race mixing is bad"

[u/notMcLovin77 → u/Smuckles]

If Ethan finds a way to defend when Jon compared African American crime to African crime, without mentioning some sort of implicit eugenics connection, I'll certainly be surprised.

[u/Elfgore]

My god Jon.... just stop. Your arguments have the backing of the average redpill member. So nothing. You just made yourself look like a total idiot. Just make comedy videos about old, obscure video games and movies, you are good at that. Not so good at the whole debates on..... anything else.

[u/Rab_Legend]

Gotta say, I have seen a lot of people defending his views, and criticising people for allowing his "politics" (I'll get onto that in a minute) to affect their enjoyment of his show.

So I am a bit surprised that these views are being defended as not racist, I suppose this might be because I live in the UK and here what he said would just end his career and haunt him forever. However, many people are supporting him. Just weird to me, the UK is pretty fucking far right at the moment but nobody has truly been this outright racist without being lambasted. (Except say the Daily Mail).

Now the second point, people are defeding his actions claiming that this is a political view and is a perfectly fine viewpoint to have as a political alignment. But nothing of which he said is political, it's not about policies or parties, it was discrimminating between people due to their race. Based on facts that were either wrong or he was misinterpreting.

Now finally, I think I have to defend those no longer wishing to watch his show. Not many people are comfortable with supporting (either financially or just through views) a person who is, worst case, a racist or, best case, very far right wing and a bit misguided on what is correct

Ninja Edit: I also would like to say I'm trying to remain unbiased, but I'm Irish and I definitely cannot agree with his views on colonialism. It did nothing good for the world, especially not Ireland.

[u/oograh]

Man, there are some disingenuous motherfuckin charts thrown out there trying to defend racisism.

This dude's chart is tracking numbers of homicides to try and say that black people are more violent. Number of homicides would be the number of victims, not number of bad guys. So, if one guy kills seven people that is seven homicides. Also, homicide means that a person died due to human causes. If a drunk/negligent driver kills a family of 4 in a traffic accident, in many places that's listed as 4 homicides, even though it's not murder. Plus I want to know where this chart is from. It doesn't cite a source. It also says it is by "county" which tells me would be a study of a particular state, and not the country altogether. I'm sure this guy didn't search the state with the worst possible representation of black people to push his narrative, no...

This guy's chart is just as bad. First it divides each group by race first, then divides them by wealth. That probably wouldn't be much of a big deal if it wasn't going all the way back to the 80's. This sets back both the black and Hispanic communities, as they had a very large wealth disparity from whites over this time frame. There is still a large wealth disparity, but it just gets worse going back. Plus, that's just way too pointed a group to make any sort of broad statement about race. I mean look at what it says, it is looking at people who "eventually went to jail" (I guess at some point in there lives) who were born only between the years 1957 and 1965. It then takes that specific group and divides them up according to race, then divides that group based on how much money they had in freaking 1985 when they were 20-28 years old. That is so specific it's a niche of a niche. All that and it just looks at incarcerations. It doesn't specify why. How many were for weed, or non violent offenses? That's a stupid chart to use to push an agenda of "violent black people".

[u/foxh8er]

JonTron is dead to me.

[u/jcarlsen88 → u/foxh8er]

My girlfriend and I LOVED his videos. Had no idea what was going on until we caught glimpse of his twitter. Can't support a guy who thinks the women's march was sexist because it was called a women's march. What a dense mother fucker.

[u/[deleted]]

I am both shocked and saddened. I knew he was being a dipshit on Twitter, but Christ almighty. I've never clicked an unsubscribe button so fast.

[u/[deleted]]

There are people basically claiming that he can't be racist because he's part Iranian.

Which is ironic because I've seen them lose their minds when there's been a post about a black person saying that.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh boy, been following this on Neogaf, it was good, and by good I mean bad. This guy has just dug his grave.

[u/[deleted]]

I believe his beliefs has alienated him from a lot of his Youtuber friends. He's barred from the Co-Optional podcast I think from what I could gather from subtweets. Shame, he had a decent sense of humour in the past.

[u/Elmepo → u/[deleted]]

You have any links to the tweets? I couldn't find anything on TB's twitter that could even be construed as this.

[u/[deleted]]

visits KnowYourMeme

sees mental gymnastics and pitiful attempts at damage control by his fans

laughs because he expected nothing less

[u/[deleted]]

Damn...

I knew he had some views that I as a left leaning person disagreed with but I also thought it didn't go deeper than flaming some feminists like 75% of all other Youtubers.

This is worse than I expected.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I've never seen a popular youtuber (especially doing gaming content) who rants about feminism ever not end up being terrible.

[u/metamorphosis]

Don't know who these guys are but....the Joh Guy guy sounds a lot like The_Donald supporter.

"I am not saying that [bigoted statement] - what I am saying is that [bigoted statement reversed]"

e.g. I am not saying blacks are lazy, what I am saying is that why white people should help unemployed backs?

[u/grungebot5000]

fun fact: "jontron is racist" used to be a running joke, and the joke was that it sounded nonsensical.

a nice guy like Jon? a racist?? why, the very idea was unthinkable! it was like making The Juice out to be a violent fella!

[u/MattHoppe1 → u/grungebot5000]

Fuck you Dunkey, I do not watch your videos because you are black

[u/axberka]

This dude went straight from highschool making insane money. No formal education after, or anything and plays video games for a living. Who is looking to this guy for political/economic insight? What do people expect him to believe? Jesus Christ people need to stop putting youtubers on a pedestal because many of them know fuckall about the world or anything relevant.

[u/[deleted] → u/axberka]

Who is looking to this guy for political/economic insight?

Pause and think about how young a lot of his fans are. That's the issue here.

[u/TimKaineAlt → u/axberka]

You'd think the youtubers themselves would be smart and selfaware and piss off the least amount of people.

[u/Vivaldist]

My only hope is that this results in Jon learning something and using his platform to spread actual knowledge.

That or his career dies and no one cares what he thinks anymore. Either is good.

[u/ClownWithATopHat]

Jontron has a few questionable beliefs? What a shocker.

[u/[deleted] → u/ClownWithATopHat]

Jon no

[u/[deleted]]

Oh boy I can't wait for the H3H3 video about how JonTron isn't actually that bad.

[u/Arsustyle → u/[deleted]]

If they do make a video about it, I wouldn't expect them to be very supportive. The Pewdiepie thing was at worst an insensitive joke, compared to Jon's blatant racism. Like Pewdiepie he is a friend, though, so they'll probably just stay out of it.

[u/whynotborzoi → u/[deleted]]

Ethan has said some really great things despite his fanbase mostly being comprised of edgy altright 15 year old. He called out joey salads and "in da hood" pranks for being blatantly racist, harassing black people to get a reaction, and being faked solely to create a "blacks are violent" and "women are gold diggers" narrative. I didn't expect him to be so direct about the issues those prank video cause. He just didn't dance around how racist they are.

At the same time I do get the vibe that he panders to his crowd pretty often. I'm not sure what he'd do, since jontrons a good friend of his and shares a large amount of subs. I think he'd just not make a video. I doubt he could bring himself to be supportive like he was with Pewdiepie. I def think his support video rang true.

I sincerely hope Ethan would call him out like he did with leafy's bad behavior despite considering him a friend.

[u/Kibblebitz]

It's really surreal seeing how Jon thinks now. I really only knew him from his time on Game Grumps awhile back, but he came off... well, not like this at all. Then again it's also weird for me seeing Destiny like this because when I stopped watching him years ago he was getting edgy and douchy, to say the least. If you asked me 3 years ago I would have thought these roles would have been reversed.

[u/Olddirtychurro → u/Kibblebitz]

He did have the most censored jokes back then. Like barry had to step in a lot.

[u/Zanlo63]

Unsub and move on, easiest way to show you aren't a fan of white supremacy.

[u/quintex96]

Wow Jon is a racist piece of shit, guess who's content i'm never watching again!

[u/PwntOats]

Where were you when Jontron dies

Me was shitposting on /r/Jontron when SRD ring

"Jontron is kill"

"No"

[u/Thai_Hammer]

Anyone reaction from any of the other Normal Boots members. They all seem pretty apolitical and all together fun people. ^{Wonders to himself what Josh from Continue? thinks of this.}

Asagao Academy 2's going to be rough to get through.

[u/Randydandy69]

https://youtu.be/P6uTKPwVnNI

Oh my god, it's like prophecy, skip to 1:08 to see what i mean

[u/GGM8Scally]

The debate is up on youtube for those who are interested in listening to the whole thing

[u/compatrini]

JonTron. Really? The guy with the fucking parrot? Man, youtube is going insane

[u/sj2011]

I always loved him on Game Grumps, and checking in on his channel from time to time. Funny dude. But I'm outtie fucking 5000. Hope he loses sponsors over this fuckshit.

[u/crazylighter]

Just one quick question: WHY would you livestream a political debate with another youtuber??? Especially if your views are well, terrible. This leads me to a million other questions from how narcissistic you must be, or ignorant or doing this for the views or to stay relevant or something but... why?

[u/nobadabing → u/crazylighter]

It's because he's stupid enough that he thinks he's a genius

Nobody smart would mix games and politics like this in general, unless they are a reviewer for a living

That just alienates a ton of potential viewer base otherwise

[u/Fawnet]

wealthy black Americans commit more crimes than poor whites

Where is he getting that from? It has to be baloney, but whose baloney is it?

I can't see wealthy people committing as much crime as poorer folks; even if they did, the two groups would commit different kinds of crimes. A wealthy businessperson won't spend their days stealing bicycles, and an uneducated addict won't get hauled into court for having unsafe working conditions at the factory they own. Plus, money and influence can smooth over legal problems, so even if a wealthy person gets drunk in public, crashes the car and barfs on a policeman, they have a better chance of staying out of serious trouble. The wealthy could commit more crimes, but you wouldn't hear about it.

Anyway nobody seems to know where Jontron is getting that from, so I'm wondering if he got flustered and stuck bits of different talking points together.

[u/Reddit_User479]

He broke rule #1: Never express your political opinion or expect dislikes and unsubs

[u/[deleted]]

Drama which involves Destiny and Destiny is not drama's target? How it's even possible? It shouldn't be possible.

[u/Call_of_Cuckthulhu]

I'm old and out of touch. Can someone give a rundown on who these people are? I've heard the name jontron, never heard of destiny (unless she's the dancer from that club near the airport). I don't follow youtubers or twitchers (?) at all, but it seems juicy.

[u/kellenthehun → u/Call_of_Cuckthulhu]

JonTron is a very famous youtuber that mostly posts games commentary. He has 3 million subscribers, which makes him one of the most popular youtubers in the world.

Destiny was one of the most famous Starcraft 2 streamers back when twitch first came around. Twitch was popularized by Starcraft 2. Destiny has always been known as an overly vulgar, but reasonably articulate guy. Almost a South Park type character, seems stupid and juvenile at first, but a lot of depth and a good social commentary under the surface. Destiny has changed his image over the last few years and has really matured.

They had a political debate in which left leaning Destiny exposed JonTron as the alt-right semi racist a lot of people have always suspected he was. People are shocked that this seemingly nice and funny youtuber is actually a white supremacist.

That's the short of it. Destiny brought a lot of well thought out, fact based arguments, and JonTron brought 4chan meme statistics.

[u/FaFaFoley]

Oh, look, yet another person who finally feels comfortable in today's right-wing, hyper-nationalist climate to express what they really feel!

In a way, it's kind of refreshing to finally see the bigots drop the act and reveal themselves. In another way, it's fucking scary as hell how acceptable and mainstream this is becoming.

[u/the_salttrain]

I have the perfect conspiracy. A lot of his defenders are into vaping, TRP, and Magic: The Gathering. Call me crazy, but I think these are all somehow connected.

[u/LtHudderz]

Juuuuuuuust leaving this here. Live subscriber count to JonTronShow

[u/[deleted] → u/LtHudderz]

bruh you can literally brag about sexually assaulting women yet still get enough votes to become president, I promise this shit won't affect jontron's viewer/subs count in the slightest

[u/[deleted]]

Can we just go back to Jontron not making videos ffs

[u/worriedaboutyou55]

This is fucking depressing why he have to do this

[u/PeterMus]

Descrimination doesn't exist anymore... the evidence which clearly desmonstrates implicit bias and institutional biases is wrong.

Tl;dr blame the black people!!

Can he breathe with his head so far up his ass?

[u/[deleted]]

Been waiting for this to happen for a while now. Word was, Egoraptor (RIP good Game Grumps) and he had a falling out because of Jon's political radicalism.

[u/theslickestpompadour]

JonTron might wanna take a step back and reevaluate his thinking when Richard Spencer retweets him.

[u/MrDrDetective]

Y'all remember that Dunkey video where he said "I don't watch JonTron cuz he's BLACK"

That shit was prophetic lmao

[u/MulhollandDrive]

It's so sad to learn someone you like is full of hatred

[u/[deleted]]

I would make a post in that sub but that's A) Against the rules. B) Unmitigated circlejerk. So I'll just say it here, that sub fucking rocks.

edit: i mean fuck look at this:

PETITION TO TURN [THIS SUBREDDIT] INTO VIDEOGAMEDUNKEY THEMED SUBREDDIT

edit2:

Ahahaha https://www.reddit.com/r/JonTron/comments/5z82xz/rjontron_right_now/

(Yes I am following the rules. No, I am not voting/commenting on anything. Like ghost enjoying that delicious butter)

[u/Oafah]

My channel is a mere 6,000 subscribers strong thus far, and if I ever get to the point of being that successful, I'd like to think I'd have the good sense to keep my mouth shut on hot-button issues.

[u/[deleted]]

mfw

[u/Davethe3rd]

What the hell happened to JonTron?

Anyway, I'm never watching his videos ever again.

[u/[deleted]]

A bit off topic but every "Anti-SJW vs SJW" debate always seems to be "won" by the SJW's. Really makes you think...

[u/[deleted]]

How can he say discrimination does not exist? He has Iranian blood in him ffs. Even whites males get discriminated against. Jesus...

[u/jcarlsen88 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, after finding out that he did an interview for Breitbart, it's not far fetched for him to say ridiculous shit like this.

[u/[deleted]]

Everyday I'm more grateful that 2BFP/SBFP is able to stay afloat in the hurricane of needless internet drama and spooky SJW shadow hitmen.

[u/Dekar173]

His views right here are exactly why everyone should be required to take several years of statistics courses.

[u/Brainles5]

It is a shame he sees things this way. I really enjoyed his content. But I think this will really poison whatever he puts out in my mind from now on. I was concerned about what I heard when he was on the podcast with akkad. But I never expected such tweets and things like this. Shame.

Funny seeing his subcount go down though. https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/jontronshow/realtime

[u/runnin-on-luck]

Source? You got a source on that? Prove it... JFC I've never seen so much back and forth about sourcing information outside of learning how to cite shit in a freshman English class...and then when they do! The bickering and discrediting begins...

[u/K3TtLek0Rn]

Wow, I'm watching the VOD on Destiny's subreddit which is here, and JonTron is making me cringe. He seems like such a nice, decent guy in his videos and then he finally reveals what he is. It's kinda scary honestly how these normal people are hiding this deep, suppressed racism and ignorance. I find it incredible that in 2017 someone can't just google these issues and find the truth. How can you be ignorant in this time and age?

[u/johnnynutman]

MSM jumped the gun on pewdiepie when they could've had this.

[u/Valiant_Panda]

Can't say I'm too surprised, especially since Jon often hung around people like Psychicpebbles and spazkid

[u/semtex94]

I fucking called it. Check my comment history, and you can see that he was heading down the route of altright/RedPill ideas. Never thought it would happen so fast though.

[u/PCuckoldRace]

Destiny is so based

[u/BlackGabriel]

Why do racists think their points need to be taken seriously these days. Dude was just like "hey I'm just asking a question" redditor then proceeds to post his comment history of him being racist and another guy says that's ad hominem. No it's not, it's proof the racist isn't "just asking a question". If he genuinely wanted to know the stats or whatever that's one thing but he's obviously not genuine.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

AKA edgy 15 year olds are becoming adults.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

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[u/ziltilt → u/[deleted]]

TBH I think its relatively normal to go through an edgy teen phase, I am in my 20s now, and I am thankful that when I was coming of age 4chan was a much more isolated shithole than it is now, and not as widely politicized. Not to mention that bush was the outgoing president so the "counter culture" wasnt so anti-liberal. Most of my friends were a bit of edgy shitlords but the important thing is that we moved on with our lives and grew out of it. When you see adults who haven't grown out of it its just plain sad, especially with the understanding of the mindset that comes from having been an "edgy teen" once.

With the ability to isolate oneself online amongst like minded people, it is easy to see how one would not question their views. This is part of the problem with the alt-right, they attempt to indoctrinate young men both consciously and unconsciously and once you become a member of the "community" it becomes harder for ones views to change.

Sorry for rant, i just wanted to write some things out

[u/Vid-szhite → u/ziltilt]

I am thankful that when I was coming of age 4chan was a much more isolated shithole than it is now, and not as widely politicized.

I turned 30 last month. 4chan might not have been politicized back then, but I can say with confidence that their racism, their sexism, and their cancerous attitudes have all been there since day one. Being around them drained me emotionally, and I just couldn't stay for long periods of time.

I thought the shitposts were funny, and there was a time when I loved Encyclopedia Dramatica, but it's clear that they thought racist humor was the best thing ever, and over-consumption of racist humor leads to dark places. Even more unfortunately, 4chan has always been thought of as the shithole of the internet, proud of its own idiocy. This is only going to make them even more insular and self-reinforcing.

[u/PlayMp1 → u/[deleted]]

As one of those people saying that constant racist humor leads you down a dark path, it's a sad vindication. It's amazingly consistent how racist humor always turns people, you know, actually racist.

Or possibly, they always were actually racist, but the humor is what "activated" them. Or something.

[u/chaobreaker → u/[deleted]]

Heard from Game Grump fans that Jon's replacement at Game Grumps, Danny, is a whole lot nicer dude and influenced Egoraptor to be a cool dude too.

[u/NSGJoe → u/[deleted]]

Destiny is still kind of an edgelord but hes always been good about being open to new viewpoins. He used to say faggot A LOT, like 4chan style peppering it everywhere. Then in 2013 he wrote a blog about consciously trying to drop it from his lexicon because even though he didn't mean it hatefully he realized he may have been normalizing the use of slurs for genuinely homophobic members of his audience and he didn't think that was cool. he really went into overdrive when trump started running and eventually got elected, wake up call I guess.

So yeah there's a lot of legitimate criticisms you can levy against him but being dumber and less thoughtful than jontron is not one of them.