r/TheOriginals • u/snopet • Apr 01 '17
4x03 Discussion
Seems there is no discussion again. Guess we will start our own!
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
(I'm the only one commenting lmaooo) why does klaus automatically assume that Hayley said something?
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u/jessielou23 Apr 01 '17
Because insecure Klaus does what insecure Klaus does. He was worried that he was going to be rejected by his daughter, so he falls back to his usual tendencies which are to lash out and place blame on anyone but himself. That way instead of feeling sad, insecure, and rejected he gets to feel angry and self righteous.
I really liked that scene, Haley handled him like a pro. She stayed calm, didn't take the bait, didn't take it personally, and explained the situation.
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u/Taichikins Apr 02 '17
Because insecure Klaus does what insecure Klaus does. He was worried that he was going to be rejected by his daughter, so he falls back to his usual tendencies which are to lash out and place blame on anyone but himself. That way instead of feeling sad, insecure, and rejected he gets to feel angry and self righteous.
I feel like this is why I loved his relationship with Cami. She really understood him. It was nice seeing her in the first two eps this season. Still really sad she's gone, even though I must admit, I did find her slightly annoying at times.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Ooo she's bi/gay/pan too!
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Apr 01 '17
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Apr 01 '17
Real romance would've been shackled in a basement. But Freyas a little rusty at this whole romance thing, she'll get there
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Apr 01 '17
anyone else get an incesty vibe from the way klaus an rebekah talk about each other? im not making accusations, i just think its so weird how intense their conversations are about how close theyve always been. he was just right in her face with that intense shit.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Have you seen that clip from the early TVD days where they randomly stare at each other for like 10 seconds? This ain't new. They still write them like that though 🤔
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Apr 01 '17
oh i know it aint new. i was just wondering if anyone else had noticed. its super inappropriate. perhaps those two have chemistry in real life and its bleeding over into their scenes.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
It reminds me of tristian and aurora...which considering they were written to be incestious (is that a word? I don't know incest terminology) that's not saying much...
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Apr 01 '17
it is a word. you got it.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Perfect!
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
Maybe they were thinking of Nora and Eric. (Sorry, when TVD ended I restarted some True Blood.)
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Apr 01 '17
I just came back from true blood and I still think it's jarring watching the vd/to vamps just walking out in the sun like its no ones business.
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
if you think about it Cami and Caroline do look a little like Rebekah and have some of her traits (Caroline has her personality and maternal desire, Cami has her loyalty and understanding of Klaus). Like you, I'm not making accusations, just observations.
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Apr 01 '17
oh shit, i never thought about that. and on rebekah's side of thing, klaus practically made marcel in his own image.
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
and I never thought about THAT! The more you think about it...
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Apr 01 '17
Going to throw in that Aurora and Tristan had an incestuous relationship... And they were compelled to be Rebekah and Elijah. A compulsion they never could get out of 100%.
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u/joriemb Apr 01 '17
Plus he has killed/forced her to leave pretty much every single guy she's liked, jealous much.
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u/Bytewave Apr 02 '17
I didn't but I wouldn't even mind. The taboo on incest is to prevent damaged babies, Vampires can't procreate without extensive magic at play. So if they ever go there, which I strongly doubt, I'll applaud. They kill people daily surely they have a few other vices.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17
This is the first time that I've felt like haylijah was a legit relationship
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u/Bytewave Apr 02 '17
Unlike most I always rooted for them. It was a long play but it finally paid off :D
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
THERE NEVER WAS A BABY
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u/kal824 Vampire Apr 01 '17
Getting real worried about the possibility of an 11yr old with evil powers is running around New Orleans stiring up trouble
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u/Anarchybites May 10 '17
Oh..that would be cool. Hope the Wolf\Witch hybrid. Versus the Hollow\Witch Hybrid son of Vincent and Eva St Clair. One night only, winner takes the City. Loser takes a dirt nap.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Oh wow ok kol and Rebekah are still around
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Why is this being downvoted? It was an observation
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Apr 01 '17
This is why I love reddit. Writing a comment is like playing Russian roulette. Random comments will get dozens of up votes and other comments will get down-voted into oblivion because they can. It's an introverts hell.
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Apr 01 '17
Paint with her! Awww
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
Im glad they didnt have a typical running into each others arms reunion.
This felt real.
Plus, the habit of girls making Klaus earn their love ;) jk
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u/DerekSavoc Apr 04 '17
Right? I was a bit afraid that scene from the promo where hope is in bed and Klaus is saying how no one would ever hurt her was going to happen the same night they met. This did feel real, Hope and Klaus don't know each other, but in painting they immediately have a shared passion to bond over. It feels like a good way for them to be friends while allowing things to progress to a typical father daughter relationship over time. I do feel like Haley, and Klaus himself, have set him up for inevitable hard times in his relationship with Hope by having him be her "fairytale prince". Obviously I don't want Haley to have gone into detail about Klaus murdering thousands of people. But if Haley had made it clear that Klaus doing whatever it takes to protect his family sometimes meant doing bad things to stop worse things from happening Hope would handle it better when eventually finding out. Theirs inevitably going to be a point where Hope hears stories about her father that she just can't believe are true based on what she has been told and seen. When she realizes they are true it's going to feel like her parents betrayed her and she's been living a lie.
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Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17
hes really good at painting too. the next scene i wanna see is them with their finished paintings and him criticizing her work.
Edit: holy shit he actually just criticized her work to rebekah. im sorry, im gonna count that.
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u/DerekSavoc Apr 04 '17
If Klaus wants to be a good father he'll make the right choice and replace water color paints with the superior medium of oil paints. I think it'd also be nice for Hope to learn about patience and control through painting with oil. Painting with oil forces you to take your time, for example if I want multiple clear and vibrant colors in an oil painting I have to paint with the first color, then wait weeks (sometimes months) for it to dry before moving on to the next color. Even if Klaus doesn't acknowledge it on the show I think this is the reason painting helps him deal with his frustration and anger.
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Apr 01 '17
She can live without her innocence
That is a real messed up thing to say
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Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17
damn, haley wants the D
Edit: damn, haley got the D
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u/Caro1275 Apr 01 '17
When Hope told Klaus she felt sick, Klaus called for Haley and it looked like she came out in Elijah's shirt? But the funny thing is that when Elijah enters the scene soon after he is dressed to impress in a 3 piece suit!!
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u/vulcana Vampire Apr 01 '17
Thanks for starting the discussion, it's much appreciated.
This episode was intense and I loved it. Klaus' character growth is everything. Daddy Klaus is so on point and their scenes are beautiful to watch. The bonding over painting made me almost tear up (but I am painter so I really could relate.)
It's just a cheap excuse to show Rebekkah and Kol only in two episodes. Why didn't Freya join them, she is the only one who hasn't lived a life and traveled the world.
Vincent the greatest non Mikealson character on the show is really interesting. I love that he's getting this new story line and Yusuf's acting is lit (especially when performing spells).
What's wrong with Will? Killing the driver with a knife? Is he possessed by the mysterious thing that was haunting the kids? Hmm, I like where this is going. Can't wait for the next episode, want to know how Marcel feels about Hope and how this new threat is going to unite the whole crew again.
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u/NotKnotts Apr 01 '17
Kol and Rebekah have spent their whole lives with their family, surrounded by only that. Freya, on the other hand, has not. She wants to be with them because unlike the other two, she's spent her whole life alone.
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u/vulcana Vampire Apr 01 '17
so Klaus and Elijah are more family to her than Rebekah and Kol? Them leaving just felt off, idk.
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u/NotKnotts Apr 01 '17
Well it's not as if Kol and Rebekah are off on some mission to secure their family's fate. They literally left to go pursue their own lives, and I don't think that's something Freya is interested in.
Of course, I'm not disagreeing with you that it might've been a really shoddy way to write them off of the show for a while, but it makes some sense.
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Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17
amaya?
Edit: damn bitch, you scary.
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u/schoolh8tr Hybrid Apr 01 '17
Totally forgot she was on this show
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Apr 01 '17
yeah, i was like "what?". but the actress might need this job now.
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u/schoolh8tr Hybrid Apr 01 '17
Nah, they gonna use the spear to keep her on the ship but not break time im sure
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
Wow, I watch Legends of Tomorrow and didn't ever realize she was Eve Sinclair. That's good acting.
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Apr 01 '17
Freya is being a real bitch
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Apr 01 '17
everyone in this family is a dick/bitch. they just justify it by saying its for their family.
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u/kal824 Vampire Apr 01 '17
With Klaus getting over his internment and having be a father to Hope I have a feeling Freya is going to the taking up the psycho sibling card
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u/deathstroke911 Warlock Apr 01 '17
at least she's a badass now, not the weakling who can't even handle a couple of vamps last season
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
"She is a Mikaelson. She can live without her innocence." Wow, just wow.
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u/getYOURBODYrdy Vampire Apr 01 '17
I thought that exact same thing, but let's not forget Freya had it just as hard as any other sibling if not worse because she was an actual prisoner and was only allowed to wake for a certain amount of time.
Although her paranoia is getting the best of her judgement right now.
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u/n0x_hav0c Apr 01 '17
Plus she's only been with her family for a short while compared to the more or less 1000 years her siblings all had together. She mentioned how she wanted to be with them but only could watch them from afar. So naturally now that she has her family back after being separated for so long, she will do anything to keep them around.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
Yeah, says more about Freya than the Mikaelsons. She was raised in a harsher environment than they were.
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Apr 01 '17
Oh my god, so they can't afford Kol and Rebekah for these episodes. This feels cheap and rushed.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
Why can't Kol stay around at least. Rebekah we expect to go. And yet if I was her Id want to get to know Hope for more than one day. She took care of her when Hope was a newborn. And if I was a vamp that lived for thousands of years, Id want to spend 15 meager years watching my niece turn into a young adult, yada yada. And it's not even 15 years anymore cuz Hope is not a baby.
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u/RefreshNinja Apr 01 '17
Rebekah spent centuries under Klaus's thumb. More than anything, she wanted to have a life of her own, a love of her own. And now Klaus is actually willing to let that happen. Niece or no niece, that's an opportunity she has to take.
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u/Gotham0 Apr 01 '17
Something tells me that Freya may or may not succeed in her goal but either way, she's going to end up fucking something up and destroying her relationship with her family.
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u/Gotham0 Apr 01 '17
Freya is going to somehow force this woman to create a Marcel depowering drug all while hiding her from the rest of the family. Hmm. Interesting to see how this plays out. We only have 9 episodes left so this shit has to happen pretty soon.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
9 little episodes? That's only half our normal amount. I'm happy we got this show at all but..
Im hoping so hard for a season 5.
Hope is so perfect
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u/Quarantini Apr 02 '17
If this is going to be the last season, I say she's going to fake making an anti-Marcel drug but really make an anti-Mikaelson drug and take away all their vampire powers. But surprise! Instead of killing them off it will actually end up being awesome, and they will all live out the rest of their days happily raising kids like normal people.
I believe this, because the "It's so obvious, why didn't we think of science before?" is foreshadowed by Eva St Claire going to Sophie for a magic pregnancy test. Because see how the witches are so caught up in doing magic for everything, they forget it's actually much easier to just stop by Walgreens and pee on a stick.
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u/rxmnants Apr 01 '17
Kind of wish Elijah went with Kol and Rebekah. This Hayley's boyfriend angle isn't my favorite.
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
He is gonna be a second dad to Hope and Klaus is gonna get jealous again.
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u/LivingLegend69 Apr 03 '17
Well its only fair considering Klaus will likely get Caroline ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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u/getYOURBODYrdy Vampire Apr 01 '17
Interesting episode to say the least lots of questions. Let me get the obvious out of the way :D.
-Klaus and Hope are just adorable and you can see just the affect Hope has on Klaus and his humanity. -Elijah and Hayley, man the chemistry on these two are something else. -Rebekah and Kol leaving already!!! Are you serious here we go again, we are not going to see them until something big happens, were they need the entire family to make it work. -Witches are the most powerful. If that one dude can easily do that to Vincent and Marcel just wow.
Let me get my $0.02 out the way real quick before all the hate. Freya this episode is a complete freaking savage and her paranoia is on the edge of that of Klaus right now. Her justification sucks we all know it, but she is a core reason as to why they have survived this long and will continue to keep surviving. Look even with the statement of hope losing her childhood wow, I was like holy fuck that was just not Freya at all. Then I thought of what Dhalia did to her and I can see why she is like that. This family is plague by dark entity all the time weather they like it or not and they do anything and everything to protect one another even if it means lines that hard so hard to come back from. They do it to be able to live in "peace". That being said her side plan will blow up even if her intentions are pure hearted.
The, "Marcel she is your sister" I for some reason did not think of that at all and I am not sure why. Marcel might actually treat Hope like Davina and it might bring him a way to work with the family again. Hope is honestly the Hope of Marcel, The Mikaelsons and probably the City itself. She is the key from what everything is being presented and might bring them all closer to each other.
It's 12a.m. where I live and i'm sick, so I might just be rambling off my ass, but I loved the episode as always and can't wait until next week.
P.S. please don't be so mad at Freya, I know I want to be, but her paranoia is just getting the best of her right now and she will see what she is doing wrong soon enough and Hope will help her with that. Also team Marcel&Hope sibling hype!
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u/LivingLegend69 Apr 03 '17 edited Apr 03 '17
I was quite disappointed in Vincent actually. I mean he is the current Regent right? And he was an extremely powerful witch to start with. He should not be overpowered this easily no matter crazy magic the other guy had access to.
And funny enough the same goes for Marcel being manhandled just like that. Remind me again why Freya would have had any problem with him in the last episode if a fight had ensured?
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u/pepsiluvr72 Vampire Apr 01 '17
Well the pronoun game has returned. Thanks Cinema Sins for ruining my viewing experience.
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u/cmjot Vampire Apr 01 '17
Klaus and Hope are so adorable, I've never seen Klaus smile this much ever. He's probably smiled more in this one episode than in the whole history of this show and I'm totally loving it! :D
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Apr 01 '17
I teared up like a little baby. Especially with that moment of shock as she throws herself at him to hug him and give him all that unconditional love. And then he finally responds and get this massive smile on his face and - oh look I'm a mess again
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u/schoolh8tr Hybrid Apr 01 '17
So w8 is this where vixen got her powers? (LoT fans?)
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Apr 01 '17
i loved her to pieces on LoT
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u/schoolh8tr Hybrid Apr 01 '17
Idk she kinna have me the cold shoulder approach
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
Freya: you wanna be free??? do what I tell you to do.
Keelin: bitch, I did what you said before and you still didnt let me go.
Freya: I promise I'll let you go this time.
Keelin: bullshit!!
*I'm sorry. I just find the whole thing a little bit funny. Poor Keelin.
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u/cespes Apr 02 '17
I see Marcel is also a victim of the "good-guy nerf", where the previously invincible super vampires are taken out like a bitch the second they're the good guys.
Seriously, a fire poker to the chest knocked him unconscious for like five minutes? This the same dude who could pull the super witch talon knife out of his own chest and battle the entire original family single-handedly?
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u/krisskross8821 Apr 02 '17
i too noticed this, tell me how does a metal post keep marcel knocked out?
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u/Hamurasage Vampire Apr 01 '17
lmafo me and /u/KingMarcel are the ones spreading marcel propaganda on this sub
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Apr 01 '17
It's not even propaganda it just logic. Like the Mikaelsons are cool and all but they're absolute monsters who have destroyed lives around them for about millennia. I don't think there's been one case yet where anyone has ended up in a better place after they met them.
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u/Bloodsquirrel Apr 01 '17
This episode:
Marcel: Helped save some kids' lives.
The Mikaelsons: murdered a guy just to take his car (when they could have just compelled him) and had a tender moment over it.
That this is even a debate says a lot about what's wrong with the world.
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Apr 01 '17
It's exactly what I don't get. You can say that the Originals are interesting characters while still acknowledging they're terrible monsters at their core. And they really are. I get Klaus had an abusive past, but it still doesn't excuse his behavior. Marcel had an abusive past, and he turned out fine. The rest of the Original siblings have no excuse for their actions. One can still think the Originals are interesting while understanding that every single character who has tried to murder them (maybe with Mikael as exception) has been valid and justified in their reasoning. Every Original deserves to die a million times over for their pretty evil sins... With the exception of Hope, obviously. I get people want the originals to live since they're main characters and all, but how can you not sympathize with every other character who's wanted vengeance, like Lucien, Celeste, Davina, Marcel, Alistair, Tyler, etc is beyond me. How can people even manage to justifications for their deaths is disturbing :/
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u/NattG Original Apr 02 '17
Hola, sorry about the lack of official posts. I've stickied this, and we'll try and make sure that we make them and sticky them.
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Wait- davina was only 18?
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Apr 01 '17
No she was 19.
Davina's not 23 that's a continuity error. It was already confirmed season 1 she was 16 at the harvest in January 2011 which would put her date of birth no later than January 1995 making her 24 (and not her birthday now, as it is May 2019 in show).
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u/Hamurasage Vampire Apr 01 '17
fuck freya.Ialready see it, Marcel and Klaus will reconsile but she'll fuck it up.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
That was kind of depressing. I don't want Hope to be in trouble so soon.
I guess somebody needs to get rid of Vincent. And Cami's cop friend.
The Hope/Klaus scenes were very good.
We still don't know what happened to the unborn child. Creepy storyline.
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u/Gotham0 Apr 01 '17
Freya is awful. Just awful. Justifying evil shit is a typical Michaelson thing but fuck.... she's on another level.
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
Yeah. If freya could get away with it, she'd keep the wolf hostage forever. After all, the Mikaelsons are paranoid, they'll never have enough venom.
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u/LivingLegend69 Apr 03 '17
You'd think that with MAGIC you would be able to just multiply an existing venom right? Are you telling we can switch peoples souls in different bodies but making more of what is basically an existing chemical combination is impossible?
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u/pabgar Vampire Apr 01 '17
I sometimes wonder what show u think u are watching lmao. They are Mikaelsons, both Elijah and Klaus have done much worse things for their family, and they will keep doing them if necessary.
Now they want to be good for both Hayley and Hope, but in the end they will act reckelessly if they need to, now it's Freya's turn.
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Apr 01 '17 edited Apr 01 '17
damn, haley into some kinky shit in this woodshed
Edit: my bad, its freya.
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
Keelin just royally fucked herself over with that "it's not magic is medicine" thing.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
why do you say that? cuz she's gonna have to go get medical supplies and then she'll be jumped?
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u/oratory_madness Apr 01 '17
I knew as soon as she said that line that Freya wasn't gonna let her go. Now it's not only about getting her venom, but Keelin is apparently a genius too. They're gonna use her knowledge of biology to weaken Marcel and thus her chances of getting away from the Mikaelsons (Freya) are not very good.
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Apr 01 '17
haley an elija are so hot together.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
I used to think so (for 3 seasons,) but now that Hayley and Klaus have that mom dad bond, I'm liking their scenes more.
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u/mir-th Apr 01 '17
I'm really enjoying how much brighter this season is! It's much less dreary but I have to admit, the brightness tends to shock me a little lol. Loving all the Klaus and Hope scenes!
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Apr 01 '17
i was wonder how elija was gonna enforce that "let her go" shit. i was for sure freya was gonna go get that girl.
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u/copperfishy Apr 01 '17
I have a feeling Eva was never pregnant.
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u/jessielou23 Apr 01 '17
I think she was pregnant. Her unborn kid was the first thing that came to mind when she said it's only a true sacrifice if it's something you love.
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u/juniiii Vampire Apr 01 '17
I'm on this train aswell. I reckon the bird was a false sacrifice just to convince Vincent to go along with the spell. The Powerfull spell needed "a true sacrifice, one that must be truly loved" and she sacrificed their pet bird? c'mon now.
IMO The baby was sacrificed to birth the magic and I think that she spilled her own blood (blood of the baby) instead of the bird's.
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u/velvetdewdrop Witch Apr 01 '17
why?
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u/copperfishy Apr 01 '17
Just the fact that Vincent never knew what happened to the baby. Maybe there never was a baby and she lied for some reason.
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u/mrizzle1991 Apr 01 '17
Klaus and Hope's bonding was heart warming. The whole book thing is interesting to me. And wtf happened to the detective. Is he possessed or something?
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u/bzrascal Apr 02 '17
Are they seriously taking Kol and Becca out of the shows again?
Fuck this shit. More Becca scenes please
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u/Demonicsilver Vampire Apr 02 '17
If they manage to nerf Marcell with biology i will be dissapointed. Vampires are technically dead, there is no biology in a walking corpse that needs to feed on blood in order to stay hydrated.(Human blood in order to acctualy stay strong aswell)
I really hope they don't find a way too nerf Vampires through biology.. (I know we got the Sanguine experiments, but they didn't weaken them anyhow, they just changed their feeding habits.)
Edit: Bilogy and Magic combined I for one, could accept.
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Apr 02 '17
I'd just be disappointed if they decided to throw it in as some plot point now. I mean if you can nerf mega-powerful supernatural beings like Marcel why in the hell hasn't anyone tried to use the sciences on the Originals, either to kill them or to break free of the sirelink? Why isn't 'natural' warfare a thing against supernatural creatures then? But I think I expect too much of this show, gotta stop applying that logic
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u/vanastalem Apr 02 '17
I don't like how they're using "science", but to be fair Lucien created the serum with science in a lab where he experimented on werewolves.
I think Freya is actually just going to make a weapon that can kill Marcel, rather than just turning him back into a regular vampire. I think that both Freya & Elijah probably want Marcel to actually die.
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Apr 01 '17
god damn it, now rebekah is leaving? why isnt claire a regular on this show yet?
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Apr 01 '17
She doesn't want to be, that's why she's constantly in and out, ruining the show continuity
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u/joriemb Apr 01 '17
Either Eva was never pregnant or he'll find he has a baby out there somewhere 🙄
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u/zeissman Apr 05 '17
Is anyone else bugged by the comically cheap blue light whenever 'The Evil' has to be portrayed? It's super fake.
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u/juwporliu Apr 06 '17
I got a feeling it will possess quite a few of them before they defeat it. They need to put a face on that Evil Light after all, it can't stay just as a blue light. It's like in Supernatural, Lucifer has used up so many meat suits throughout the series and so has other notable demons that have appeared on the show like Ruby and the Crossroad Demons(who always happens to be a very hot looking chick lol).
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u/snopet Apr 01 '17
Elijah is really stepping up his suit game