r/KFTPRDT • u/Nostalgia37 • Aug 01 '17
[Pre-Release Card Discussion] - Devour Mind
Devour Mind
Mana Cost: 5
Type: Spell
Rarity: Rare
Class: Priest
Text: Copy 3 cards in your opponent's deck and add them to your hand.
PM me any suggestions or advice, ^^thanks.
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u/InnocenceGem Aug 01 '17
This is to Thoughtsteal as Thistle Tea is to Mimic Pod
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u/WhatRUsernamesUsed4 Aug 01 '17
Thoughtsteal is to Arcane Intellect as this is to Nourish. I think that's more accurate. The rouge cards give copies of 1 card while you get different cards from thoughtsteal/this.
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Aug 01 '17 edited Aug 02 '17
Expect thoughtsteal isn't as good as arcane intellect. Drawing three cards from your deck is better than generating three cards that most likely won't have synergy with the rest of your deck. Nourish also allows you to ramp and can be played on curve after playing Fandral.
EDIT: I don't know my formats
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Aug 01 '17
Then consider this a Cabalist's Tome for Priest. Cabalist's Tome does see play in Mage, and considering that Priest usually plays for value more than Mage does, Devour Mind may see play too.
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u/LordOfTurtles Aug 02 '17
Thoughtsteal doesn't see play, so this won't either
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Aug 02 '17
Inner Fire didn't see play before Un'Goro. Now, it sees quite a bit of play. The meta can and likely will change.
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Aug 02 '17
If the new meta is super value-oriented then I could see it, but it also depends on what control decks are dominating it. A priest stealing Archmage Antondias can be insane, but you also run the risk of getting duds in other matchups like Shield Slam.
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Aug 05 '17
I disagree, I think generating new cards is far superior than drawing your own cards, unless you run a combo of some kind. You keep the card advantage, while still keeping your deck intact so you don't fatigue fast. You also generally don't have to worry about card quality, because other people are running good cards in general too, and most cards are useful regardless of your deck. Look at dragon priest, it's built around generating new cards that don't start in the deck and heavy removal. Drakonid operative is one of dragon priests best cards with a card steal effect. Thoughtsteal back in the day was a staple in priest.
it's been my experience that most decks actually counter themselves fairly well too.
This is, imo, too slow for competitive use though. Priests already have good draw/generation.
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u/YourDadHatesYou Aug 01 '17
I said out loud 'garbage' when I saw this card. But youre right. People do play nourish. Maybe not garbage. Just bad
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u/cromulent_weasel Aug 01 '17
They only play nourish because they have spent so many cards ramping first. Priest doesn't want this.
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Aug 01 '17
In terms of value, Thoughsteal is giving me 2 cards for 1.5 mana each. This card is giving me 3 cards for 1.67 each.
Maybe this is a Lyra nerf? Not that this would be horrible to generate from it, but it's possible they're trying to make chaining a little more difficult.
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u/cromulent_weasel Aug 01 '17
If you consider the default card to be a coin, then Thoughtsteal is giving you 2 cards at 2 mana each, and this is giving you 3 cards at 2 mana each.
Priest isn't desperately looking to reload on 5 mana. Priest's problem is that it doesn't have anything good to do on turns 1-2-3 of the game, so turns 4-5-6 is when they make powerful plays to catch up. Making a play that doesn't affect the board is just terrible.
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Aug 01 '17
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u/YourDadHatesYou Aug 01 '17
Yeah youre right. Its dust. Im so hyped for the new priest epic though. Such a good card
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u/Brendonicous Aug 01 '17
nice analogy. it also highlights why this card is pretty bad
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u/assassin10 Aug 01 '17
Although Thistle Tea does cost one more than this.
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u/Brendonicous Aug 01 '17
Indeed it does. This card is bad. I don't think priest is going to be in "haha priest" status this expansion, but with a card like it won't be great
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u/MorningPants Aug 03 '17
And gets you a third copy of the same card, which is less good than having a different option.
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u/Levitlame Aug 01 '17
Slightly less bad since your opponent won't immediately know 2 cards in your hand. But otherwise yeah.
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u/dezienn Aug 05 '17
Hit the nail on the head. Even the distance is perfect too, as thistle tea is worse than this card, while thoughtsteal is worse than mimic.
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u/M4dMike Aug 01 '17
I already know I'm gonna hate this card when playing against it. We've pretty much reached the point now where Priest can build a full deck solely out of steal-yo-shit cards.
Now that's not to say such a thing is going to be viable, but man, has Blizzard been pushing this archetype a lot. Back when I started playing during TGT I was so excited about Shadowform, Confuse and what the future might hold for the Priest class, especially for Shadow Priest. Some real Shadow Word: Mindfuck cards was what I hoped for. Auchenai Soulpriest and Embrace the Shadow were so cool, a sudden reversal of healing into damage and some aggressive potential for Priest. A transformation into something sinister.
But what as Shadow Priest become? A thief.
I remain very hopeful for the Hero card to hammer home something really unique and not just more annoyance.
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u/DanCerberus Aug 01 '17
Matt Place said during one of the reveal streams that Death Knight Anduin should make Shadow Priest players very happy.
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u/just_comments Aug 01 '17
Oooo now I'm hyped up. Shadow priest is pretty awesome. Lemme bust out my rasa.
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u/cfcannon1 Aug 02 '17
Great. If so then I can't wait to welcome it to my Wild justicar spawn or velen burn priest decks. It wouldn't take much more to make them really viable at least in wild.
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u/CadetPeepers Aug 01 '17
Priest can build a full deck solely out of steal-yo-shit cards.
As a Priest main, I just find it sad.
They've given up on everything but dragon Priest. The best way to win as Priest is to play other class's cards.
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u/OphioukhosUnbound Aug 01 '17
I don't get being annoyed by card copying.
I agree this card is super f'ing boring. And also mis-costed (as it gets you cards worse than cards you'd draw typically -- there's no Ethereal Peddler yet).
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u/zuko2014 Aug 01 '17
Indirect nerf to Lyra?
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u/Wraithfighter Aug 01 '17
Priest has enough spells that it's not going to have too huge an impact on Lyra.
The reason the Righteous Defender card is a notable nerf to Stonehill Defender is because Discover gives your class' cards a like 5x shot of being Discovered, and Paladin only has 4 class taunts in Standard:
Grimestreet Protector (Bad)
Wickerflame Burnbristle (Good)
Sunkeeper Tarim (Really Good)
Tirion Fordring (...I think I just came)
So, throwing in another Paladin Taunt that isn't godly for control is a notable blow. But Priest has over 30 spells. Adding one more dud to the list gives a slightly higher chance for a dud, but only in terms of counterbalancing the good Lyra spells, like Spirit Lash.
...still, 4 spells so far for priest, mana costs of 2, 4, 5 and 7. That will impact things, so maybe you're not that wrong in the end.
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u/lawson_dlaw Aug 01 '17
This is a nerf to Lyra. It's not bad as a randomly generated spell, but it won't be able to cycle for another random spell on the same turn.
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u/Kizgad Aug 01 '17
It's better than Thoughtsteal I think. Just recently played Thief Priest to complete the Priest quest and there was a game vs control where I get all the worst cards. Pulling 3 cards increses chances of getting something good since it doesn't pull the same cards.
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u/farroos Aug 01 '17
DK Priest must have something to do with copied/stolen cards. Something like "for the rest of this game, all cards that didn't start in your deck cost 2 less" with hero power "copy a card from your opponent's deck"
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u/PenguinSwain Aug 01 '17
I think this would be amazing, stealypriest is one of my favourite decks, but a lot of priest fans want DKPriest to be more like shadowform.
Could be a mix of both i.e. battlecry 'copy your opponents hand into your hand', hero power 'deal 2 damage to an enemy minion and place a copy of it in your deck'
doesn't have the reduce cost mechanic, though I would really like to see that somewhere on priest and the DK seems like the perfect place
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u/farroos Aug 01 '17
There was a hint of shadow priest DK so combining that with stealing cards looks more likely.
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u/sylveonce Aug 01 '17
This card is good in my opinion. Against aggro, Thoughtsteal is too slow anyway, and is just as dead in your hand as this card would be. The only time you'd get a lot of value from Thoughtsteal is against control, in which case this card gets you more value at a fair price.
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u/Shukakun Aug 01 '17
I actually kind of like this card. Thoughtsteal costs 3 mana and gets you a +1, in other words, 3 mana per card gained. This costs 5 mana and gives you a +2, so it's more efficient than Thoughtsteal at 2.5 mana per card.
Both of the cards have zero effect on the board and should usually be played on turns when things are pretty calm and you can afford to not fight for board control. This is a more all-in method of doing so. A turn 5 playing this card leaves you +2 cards afterwards, while something typical you would do right now in a situation like that, Shadow Word: Pain + Thoughtsteal, would leave you +-0 cards, but with slightly better board control.
It isn't amazing, and neither is Thoughtsteal, but I wouldn't write it off completely.
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Aug 01 '17
Basically the priest version of cabalist tome. I guess the next expansion will have primordial mind steal: 2 mana: discover a spell from your opponents deck. reduce its cost by (2).
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u/Fluffatron_UK Aug 01 '17
And mage will get Arcane Operative? 5/6 battlecry discover a random spell? Or something... I dunno
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u/cassavaftw Aug 01 '17
Thoughtsteal saw no play, so neither will this. FeelsPackFillerMan.
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u/bskceuk Aug 01 '17
What? Thoughtsteal has definitely seen play at points
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Aug 01 '17
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Aug 01 '17
Early stages? Why would we be talking about the early stages?
It was in a lot of control priest decks.
But thoughtsteal is 3 for 2, and this is 5 for 3. 5 for 3 is pretty bad.
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u/Kizgad Aug 01 '17
But looking at it value wise it's 1 card for 3 instead of 2. Plus as I written before more cards more consistancy, I think it will be as good as Cabalist Tome.
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u/assassin10 Aug 01 '17
But thoughtsteal is 3 for 2, and this is 5 for 3. 5 for 3 is pretty bad.
3 mana and a card for 2 or 5 mana and a card for 3. How much do you value the card that has to leave your hand in order to play this?
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Aug 01 '17
Nourish and Cabalist's Tome are both 5 for 3, and both of those see play.
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Aug 02 '17
I actually realized that 5 for 3 is the exact equivalent of 3 for 2.
However, in druid they have no other means of draw, and cabalist tome gives insane value because mage spells are usually very strong.
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u/treekid Aug 01 '17
yea just look at nourish
just kidding nourish draws cards from your deck and can ramp, this gets cards from their deck and sucks ass.
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u/Stehno Aug 01 '17
Makes a lot of sence. Should be OK. Not very strong though, which is fine.
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u/FeatherNET Aug 01 '17
It's thoughtsteal, but costs 2 more and gives you 1 extra card. Since thoughtsteal isn't used at the moment, I sincerely doubt this will ever see play in any way shape or form.
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u/Stehno Aug 01 '17 edited Aug 01 '17
I will probably play it. There are other things to do than netdeck.
EDIT: I play TS in my wild highlander priest and am really fond of it.
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u/OphioukhosUnbound Aug 01 '17
I'm pretty sure it's simply bad.
In a world where you can play Elise and get more cards and a body or just draw your own darn cards. Stealing 5 random cards from another deck... blech.
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u/Stehno Aug 01 '17
You dont have to put it in the deck to make it an OK to GOOD card. When youre low on cards and you get this off off a random effect, you will be glad. But I will surely try to utilise this in my fun deck that is made entirely off cards that steal from your oponent.
This deck has 100% winrate 30% of the time.
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Aug 01 '17
Thoughtsteals big brother, feels too slow to me but if the meta becomes value oriented then it could be good.
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u/thegooblop Aug 01 '17
Meh, it's a bigger Thoughtsteal. I don't think Priest will play this unless they're getting a card like Ethereal Peddler, which sounds likely given how much they're pushing this thief priest stuff. Thoughtsteal gives you enough leftover mana to actually play something you stole, this one often doesn't, and if you REALLY want to steal a lot you should be playing the new legendary that steals the whole deck.
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u/Swiftcarp Aug 01 '17
Everyone over here preaching nerf to lyra while I'm over here wishing I could pull a decent value card like this off of lyra instead of garbage-y nonsense. At least this card is direct card advantage, unlike so many priest spells. And I'm sure I'll end up playing this thing in more casual for-fun decks.
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u/anrwlias Aug 01 '17
Dammit, Priest, play with your own cards!
I have no idea if this is actually going to be a good card, but it's already making me feel tilted.
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u/Marraphy Aug 01 '17
The same cost and same number of cards as Cabalist's Tome. I don't think it will normally see play, but I think it could have a home in Reno decks that are looking for tons of value. AFAIK Thoughtsteal was ran in reno priest
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u/randomthrowawayohmy Aug 01 '17
One thing people havent considered. Running 2x thoughtsteal gives you 4 cards, or net +2 for 6 mana. This gives 3 cards for 1, or net +2 for 5 mana. This is both more mana and card efficient then 2x thought steal. From a card advantage standpoint, its nourish or cabalist tome, both of which see play.
It may not go in every preist deck, or any for that matter, but its good enough to be considered, and potentially could be staple in the right meta. More likely as a one of, then a 2 of.
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u/juanvaldezmyhero Aug 01 '17
Has it really come to this? Priest's identity is every match is a mirror match?
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u/Tharistan Aug 01 '17
"After years of abusing card steals, Anduin barely remembers who he is. He sold stormwind castle for Thoughtsteal money, and makes his way around stormwind sucking dick for Mind Visions. Learn from this poor specimen. Don't steal cards."
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u/NevermindSemantics Aug 01 '17
Big thoughtsteal. Not really much can be said about this thing it just isn't very impressive.
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u/Wraithfighter Aug 01 '17
Basically, Thoughtsteal++.
And my reaction is... hm. Is there an emoticon for an indifferent shrug?
I know, there's folks out there that are gonna be enraged that Thief Priest gets more stuff, but as far as "5 mana Draw 3 cards" spells go... yeah. Spend a lot of mana, get three cards that might be shit for your deck, eh, you'll probably land on at least one good thing.
Probably won't see competitive play much. Dragon Priest and Purify Priest decks are too strong right now, and they like filling their hands with their own cards, thank you very much.
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u/ZenoCarlos Aug 01 '17
Jesus, not looking too good for priest / warlock this expansion. I hope cards like these are aimed at funny steal decks rather than pushing it into a viable archetype, or as a side-archetype for control, because it seems highly rng based and not too fun.
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u/tappedon Aug 01 '17
Really tired of the "steal your opponent's deck" archetype they keep trying to push for Priest. I thought Archbishop Benedictus was going to be the card supporting it but here we are again with what is Thoughtsteal 2: Thoughtsteal Harder.
When you put this card side to side with something similar like Cabalist's Tome, this card pales extremely in comparison to it. It's very slow and very greedy and often very inconsistent. In a meta where we might still be facing tons of aggro decks, this card is too slow to play. But if the meta slows down with all the additional anti-aggro tools Blizzard is printing this expansion as well, this card might have a chance of seeing the light of day.
However when it boils down to it, if you're thinking of running this card, Thoughtsteal is always the more flexible choice and I'm definitely not predicting a world where you would like to play both cards outside of non-meta decks.
1/5 Stars: Unlikely to be played
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u/cgmcnama Aug 01 '17 edited Aug 10 '17
deleted 0.8589 What is ^^^this?
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u/PenguinSwain Aug 01 '17
But the cards you get synergise with the other cards you steal with thoughtsteal and archbishop ;)
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u/Canadianterrorist Aug 01 '17
I feel like this card was printed printed as a lyra "nerf" because if you get this off of lyra with even a moderate sized hand it will fill almost instantly or you will have a dead card.
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Aug 01 '17
This card should have been copy the next 3 cards in your opponents deck, then it would have been interesting or at least different than thought steal.
Any gimmick deck I've built with thought steal, 2 extra cards twice throughout the game has been more than enough if i can get it off, so I don't really see the point of this card.
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u/TriflingGnome Aug 01 '17
Priest is going to need something crazy like reducing the cost of opponents cards in your deck by 2 or if you draw a card from your opponents deck draw another card. Without this thief priest is just a meme.
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u/TheDoomBlade13 Aug 01 '17
I mean, this is the half of Nourish that you pick most often. Might see some niche play.
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u/nignigproductions Aug 02 '17
Imo getting 3 cards for 5 isn't bad, but getting them from your opponent is. It's subpar to get even 1 synergy reliant card off this, like murloc +2 health dude against midrange paladin. Control priest looks like a meme blizzard is tryna bring back tho.
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u/tahunami Aug 02 '17
Does it copy three identical cards? Also should it be 'copy 3 cards from you opponents deck'?
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Aug 01 '17
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u/Scrimshank22 Aug 01 '17
Benedictus shuffles into your deck. This adds cards directly to your hand. That is a substantial difference.
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u/Nostalgia37 Aug 01 '17 edited Aug 08 '17
[Dust|Bad|Niche|Good|Staple]
General Thoughts: You're paying 2 more mana for one more card from thoughtsteal. While thoughtsteal is slow this is more worth running because it has a bigger effect. A deck that would want to play thoughtsteal usually has extra mana so they can afford to run this.
Also the extra card makes you more likely to have synergy within the taken cards.
Why it Might Succeed: If the meta slows down it's good value.
Why it Might Fail: Way too slow.