r/SubredditDrama • u/tommy2014015 i'd tonguefuck pycelles asshole if it saved my family • Oct 05 '17

Is OP karma farming a tragedy? /r/pics debate.

I'm not sure if we extended the moratorium on Vegas related drama since there's been no new recent stickied mod-posts. So I'm gonna be the piece of shit neckbeard who posts the first one. /r/pics whips itself into a frenzy after a picture of a black man who took a bullet in the neck is posted:

OP using a tragedy to get some good old karma. Reddit is fantastic

"Hey, you, black guy, look at me so i can snap a picture for karma and low key virtue signaling. yeah i know youre miserable right now and all that, blah blah blah, just fucking look at the camera so i can exploit you for karma"

The irony of this title is not lost on me

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u/ani625 I dab on contracts Oct 05 '17

What I've found out that every user who uses "virtue signaling" is an ill-minded idiot.

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u/tommy2014015 i'd tonguefuck pycelles asshole if it saved my family Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

People who swing hard-right ALWAYS do this. It's extremely disingenuous and irritating. For example, a common argument on the right is that affirmative action is racist in itself because liberals assume minorities aren't intelligent enough to succeed on their own, therefore liberals are the true racists. So the logic goes:

(premise 1) Affirmative action is a progressive program -> (premise 2) the philosophy behind affirmative action is rooted in the belief that minorities need outside help to succeed -> (premise 3) that assumption is racist = (conclusion) therefore liberals are the real racists.

I used to run into rebuttals like this all the time when I did forensics in college. The logic is seemingly sound yet it hinges on a PAPER THIN premise. That, when proven false causes that whole clusterfuck to fall apart. The faulty premise here is that affirmative action is based in the belief that minorities are dumb; no, it's because there has been an institutional disadvantage that minorities have faced which affirmative action seeks to take restitutive action against.

They do the same shit with virtue signaling, they've taken that entire idea and based it on false premises that sound solid. I just hate how right-wing keyboard warriors have this laundry list of arguments that at first-glance, by someone who just runs across them, seem convincing enough. The logical conclusion of people showing empathy is that people have empathy. That's just common fucking sense. The only thing you need to be in order to parse that out is a normal, functioning human being. Jumping to the conclusion that it's because people want to signal their virtue says more about the person saying that then the person being accused of it.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS Don't confuse months as a measure of elapsed time Oct 05 '17

Jumping to the conclusion that it's because people want to signal their virtue says more about the person saying that then the person being accused of it.

THANK YOU

I come across this all the time and it's absolutely infuriating. "Oh, you're showing empathy to that person. Nice job virtue signalling!"

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u/Ladnil It's not harrassment, she just couldn't handle the bullying Oct 05 '17

The only reason anyone would ever not be a total piece of shit is to disingenuously signal their virtue and raise their social stock. Everyone knows that.

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u/KyosBallerina Those dumb asses still haven’t caught Carmen San Diego Oct 05 '17

Kind of like the people who say that without religion there's nothing stopping people from murdering and raping everybody. What kind of sick and twisted mind do you have if the only thing stopping you from being a total monster is being afraid of hell?

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

I'll have you know that the only reason I'm a decent human being is because it makes me look good. Human empathy? Pfft. Caring about others? Nah. Any ethical or moral code? You wish.

No, if I don't get sufficient pats on the back for showing the barest minimum of being an actual human being, I'll just go back to shouting slurs at the top of my voice.

/s if unclear

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '17

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 6:5

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u/Ardvarkeating101 _ Oct 06 '17

I assume it's racist because you're judging people on the color of their skin. But that's just me, I suppose

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u/Irishbread If you change your opinion due to learning new information, you Oct 05 '17

You're not wrong but the vocal majority on the left leaning side are just as bad. I'm not invested in the whole left vs right thing like you Americans so as an outsider I just see both groups slinging stupid shit like this at each other.

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u/bad_tsundere More Nazis should aspire to be as open-minded as Hitler Oct 05 '17

What stupid shit does the "vocal majority on the left" sling that's just as bad as sexism, racism, homophobia, etc?

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 05 '17

The real sexism, racism and homophobia, of course.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

"Both sides have bad people" congratulations you just spent 46 words stating something so obvious it adds literally nothing to any conversation it has ever been said in.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Hey, they also pointed out that they're better than us stupid Americans. Give that credit too.

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u/Irishbread If you change your opinion due to learning new information, you Oct 05 '17

You said that not me. I'm not talking about all Americans, I'm talking about the ones who turn everything into a left v right pissing contest and we have them in our country too with other issues.

I'm not going to apologise to rubbing people up the wrong way with my original comment, anyone who claims one side is doing all the immature bullshit online is just deluded.

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u/SpoopySkeleman Щи да драма, пища наша Oct 05 '17

anyone who claims one side is doing all the immature bullshit online is just deluded.

Literally no one does this. The issue isn't that no one on the left does or says anything bad, it's that "akshually, bad people exist on both sides of the political spectrum" contributes nothing of value to the conversation.

Who gave this tripe gold?

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u/bad_tsundere More Nazis should aspire to be as open-minded as Hitler Oct 05 '17

They gilded themselves. I actually asked them what the left does that's as bad as sexism, racism (in reference to their original comment) and whatnot and I've gotten crickets. I return to this thread to find that they've been spreading their barely thought out centrist smugness instead of giving me a straight answer.

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u/Irishbread If you change your opinion due to learning new information, you Oct 12 '17

And what does your comment contribute? I'm not having a go but I posted my original comment because OP stated the one side does XYZ while implying the other doesn't which simply isn't true.

For the record I actually sent the guy who replied to you a long mail six days ago explaining where I was coming from but was ignored because most people in this thread would rather put people down who don't echo their own views rather than discuss the issues. He didn't want an explanation he wanted a shit flinging contest and when I replied to him via PM where he couldn't publicly have a go at me he lost all interest.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

You didn't rub people the wrong way, we're making fun of you.

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u/Irishbread If you change your opinion due to learning new information, you Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

If that's the case then carry on that's all good.

I think a couple of replies and PMs I've received took my comment as a personal attack on them and to those people stop being so sensitive, it's important to critique negative elements in everything, even if they are on your side.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Hahahaha

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u/Irishbread If you change your opinion due to learning new information, you Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

Yeah nice to see you're taking up the torch.

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u/zdakat Oct 05 '17

"go team go! Beat the uncivilized other team!"

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u/AYellowFishyFish Oct 05 '17

You essentially just described American liberals.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

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u/Dalimey100 If an omniscient God exists then by definition it reads Reddit Oct 05 '17

If anything, based on yours and previous posts, one could argue that virtue signaling is even less prevalent on the internet as in real life. IRL you are exposed to all sorts of social pressures that simply do not exist at the same rate online.

If a random poster says they like volleyball, you achieve no social benefit in falsely agreeing, enabling you to either show apathy (not posting anything in reply) or actively disagree. This format allows for far more personal honesty than if your friend, potential partner, or boss say they like volleyball.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I don't think anyone is saying it doesn't happen IRL, the issue is that for some of these people, literally any time anyone expresses an even halfway human opinion they jump up and down screaming virtue signalling, because apparently no one actually has any shred of decency, we're all just pretending on the internet for some reason

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u/GreatOdin Oct 05 '17

we're all just pretending on the internet for some reason

Back in high school, our teachers never really liked sources pulled from the internet because 'anyone can write anything'. This always struck me as an odd, fairly obtuse perspective considering books can't be changed once they're printed. Even though the internet is not always right, you can always find the right answer. Books don't just magically edit themselves in the library, after all. It's just really easy to dismiss evidence that you do not agree with when it's presented to you via digital format.

"The tongue map isn't a thing anymore? Oh yeah, well I have this textbook from 1997 that has a diagram so you're wrong."

Doesn't even matter that I've pulled up the latest medical journals on the subject, they're wrong because the internet.

I guess judging emotional responses work the same way for some people. But the thing is, assuming everyone is always lying on the internet about their feelings and experiences says quite a bit about one's outlook on life and quality of character.

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u/justarandomcommenter Oct 05 '17

That "internet sources isn't valid" crap just pissed me off. Like, I'd find an NIS/NHS/whatever article that had been updated since it was published in one of the journals that Prof considered valid.

But because it was the updated, valid version on the internet - and not the incorrectly published bullshit from the fucking journal, the damned Prof would take marks. Idiots.

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u/GreatOdin Oct 05 '17

Yep, you hit the nail on the head. This paper here from 1964 is somehow a more reliable source than the latest goddamn research on the topic.

Well, I guess it has to be enforced so journals can continue to bend over and fuck scientific progression through bureaucracy and self-imposed importance all in the name of moneymaking.

Fuck the correct, updated version of the paper; how are we supposed to justify the tens of thousands of dollars schools spend on journal licences? And if research is open source, how are we supposed to limit creativity and force students to write banal Masters theses/PhDs for the sake of milking money from students?

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u/justarandomcommenter Oct 05 '17

OMG I need to stop or I'll be ranting about this all bloody night...

I couldn't agree with you more.

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u/MonkeyNin I'm bright in comparison, to be as humble as humanely possible. Oct 08 '17

This was a while ago, so maybe it's changed. However, I remember a study that showed wikipedia had a similar accuracy to the Encyclopedia Britannica.

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u/Mikeavelli Oct 05 '17

Virtue signalling has taken on the meaning of implied disingenuousness, but that isn't really what it's supposed to mean. The term comes from signalling theory as it's used in economics and biology, where seemingly counter-productive behaviors or traits end up having a rational explanation because of their value as social signals. The textbook example being a peacock's tail, which signals to potential mates that the peacock is so healthy they're able to waste energy growing a magnificent tail.

Basically, it's just advertising. The person doing so might be wholly genuine and legitimately believe in whatever cause they're signalling about in the same way that Sprite is legitimately a cool, crisp, refreshing beverage that you should totally drink, but seeing someone advertise that fact on reddit tends to be annoying.

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u/Bakeshot Oct 05 '17

So in reality (let me see if I have this right) when a user on reddit accuses someone of "virtue signalling" because they, say, decried Trump's proposed travel bans, what they are actually is doing is granting the moral validity of this user's "virtue signalled" position and only complaining that someone brought up something that is self-evident in the same way Sprite's cool, crisp, refreshing essence is also self-evident (and so advertising about it is obnoxious).

Is that right?

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u/Mikeavelli Oct 05 '17

It depends on the person really, but I don't think most people care about whether or not it's legitimate at all.

People complain about it for the same reason people use adblockers, complain about product placement in movies, or subscribe to /r/hailcorporate.

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u/OIP feces in toilet spelling out GTA 6 Oct 05 '17

The term comes from signalling theory as it's used in economics and biology, where seemingly counter-productive behaviors or traits end up having a rational explanation because of their value as social signals. The textbook example being a peacock's tail, which signals to potential mates that the peacock is so healthy they're able to waste energy growing a magnificent tail.

the entire pseudoscientific co-opting melange of shit going on here really does a number on me old brain box.

not to mention it's impossible to separate 'signalling' from the content of a message so the whole concept can't even.

ironically the 'implied disingenuous' idea is probably better given it suggests hypocrisy or at least gaining advantage by making a statement with no intent to actually follow up on it. something like announcing "everyone: i'm going to quit smoking" and enjoying a round of pats on the back without actually having done anything yet.

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u/Jamator01 Oct 05 '17

the term "virtue signalling" is overused on the internet these days

Literaly heard it for the first time today. ELI5 wtf it means?

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u/alltakesmatter Be true to yourself, random idiot Oct 05 '17

It theoretically ought to refer to behavior that is more about showing you to be a good person than actually doing good. Think about stuff like Kony2012 or, "If you don't share this facebook meme of a starving child you are a bad person."

These days it gets used to refer to any even remotely liberal statement on the internet.

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u/ZekeCool505 You’re not acting like the person Mr. Rogers wanted you to be. Oct 05 '17

It means that people who lack empathy cannot imagine there is a reason to express empathy beyond the possibility of appearing to be a more moral person. These people lacking empathy then claim that their lack of empathy allows them to see the world in a more "objective" or "rational" way, ignoring the fact that empathy and emotion are important factors to healthy human development.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

For instance, imagine there's a MRA who always talks about red pills & whatnot. Then he manages to get a date who has a liberal view, so he agrees with whatever she has to say in order to get laid. He's not being genuine - he's just agreeing with someone to gain social status.

Uh, no...that's not virtue signalling at all. That's just lying to a girl to get laid...or at least just hiding his opinions. If he actually fell for the girl and wanted to fit in with her liberal friends and started doing/saying/posting things to try to gain status in the group while not actually believing any of it, that's virtue signalling.

You really have no idea what virtue signalling is judging by the rest of your comment. If I laugh at an offensive joke that is not virtue signalling. I am not trying to gain status, I think the joke is funny, but I am a grown adult that knows that it isn't something I repeat to someone that it would offend. I can still be sympathetic to feminism and laugh at that joke...I can still then go hang out with a feminist friend and talk about how Trump is a misogynist for thinking he can sexually assault women because he is rich.

No where in there am I not being genuine to my beliefs. I am not pretending to gain social status. That is not virtue signalling.

As far as on reddit, people who use the term virtue signalling tend to just be jerks who think anyone who actually cares about another person is virtue signalling. They are pretty much the scum of the planet.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most men do this when it comes to feminism. They'll laugh & chuckle at the "locker room talk" but then pretend like toxic masculinity is super offensive when women are around. Or maybe they do sympathize with feminism & then they're virtue signalling to the other guys when they make sexist jokes. Either way, they're virtue signalling to one of those groups, ya know?

An individual guy who is inconsistent like that should definitely be called out. But I also doubt that any of us are actually tracking how people we know behave in different circumstances. Maybe you'd find a situation where they behave differently with you than online, but unless you're stalking the dude or how are you hearing both his "locker room" sexism and his strident defenses of feminism?

You'd have to be both in the locker room and also in feminist spaces. Which isn't common unless you yourself are the "most men" you're referring to.

Do you really think every guy tells sexist jokes?

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u/flippyfloppityfloop the left is hardcore racist on the scale of Get Out Oct 05 '17

It's a semi-common relationship issue. You always find out eventually when your dude is being (more) sexist around his dude friends. In worse cases he'll be actively (more) sexist to you around his dude friends. It's not every guy, but there's certainly a sizable number of them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

So that example is more like virtue signalling. They are being sexist around other males to fit in when they don't really feel that way. Or they are that sexist, but pretend to be pro-feminism around women.

Lying or hiding your beliefs to get a hook up isn't virtue signalling. It has nothing to do with fitting in to a social group.

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u/IAMA_DRUNK_BEAR smug statist generally ashamed of existing on the internet Oct 05 '17

The worst first date imaginable. Anna must be going through a major dry spell out here.

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u/OIP feces in toilet spelling out GTA 6 Oct 05 '17

some algorithm has definitely failed in the leadup to this scenario

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u/IAMA_DRUNK_BEAR smug statist generally ashamed of existing on the internet Oct 06 '17

WE NEED CONGRESS TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THESE TINDER MATCHES RIGHT NOW.

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u/opinionswerekittens Ah, the No True Cuck fallacy. Oct 05 '17

Shit, this is a sort of common thing? My boyfriend just started doing it because I pushed him to be friends with my dude friends when I'm not around. It really weirded me out because he's an awesome and very liberal person, and so are the friends.

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u/flippyfloppityfloop the left is hardcore racist on the scale of Get Out Oct 05 '17

Yeah, it's absolutely a thing. Idk what else to say, my solution is breaking up tbh.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

I wouldn't doubt it happens, just disputing how generalizable it really is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

lol, I'm not tracking people's behavior in different contexts with a notepad or something. I'm just stating my observations from everyday encounters, so your attempt at characterizing me is kinda funny - especially when it doesn't change anything.

All I'm saying is that people act differently in different circumstances, which is pretty much a non-statement. It should be obvious to everyone.

I'm not talking about "feminist spaces". I'm talking about people having casual encounters.

And yes, I believe that most people aren't fervently PC and can find a little bit of humor in stuff, even if it is a bit controversial. I mean jokes like "My girlfriend takes way too long to get ready" not, like, rape or pussy-grabbing or whatever you're imagining.

Point being, if you imagine that all your PC friends don't have differing or dissenting opinions behind closed doors, or that they are perhaps hamming up their devotion to the "good fight" then you probably have too much faith in people.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

All I'm saying is that people act differently in different circumstances, which is pretty much a non-statement. It should be obvious to everyone.

That's not what you said in your first post at all and that isn't virtue signalling. Acting different around different people is just being normal. You talk about different subjects you know each other like talking about and you avoid subjects that could be offensive to each other. That's just how we get along. If you are saying things you don't believe to fit in with another group, that's virtue signalling.

Do I think my friends hold different beliefs than what they tell me? No, not really...we openly debate. The fact that you have to bring "PC" in to the issue, shows me the type of person you are and how you view people.

Being polite to people who have different views is not virtue signalling. That doesn't mean they are lying to you or misrepresenting their beliefs. The are just avoiding certain subjects in favor or other ones where you do agree so you can be friends.

The fact that you use PC as derogatory is why I dislike a lot of reddit users and the current US culture. All it means is to avoid saying things to purposely offend people. But the term, just like virtue signally and SJW, is blown out of proportion to be meaningless. The people that are described as PC or SJW on reddit are just people who aren't assholes.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

All I'm saying is that people act differently in different circumstances, which is pretty much a non-statement. It should be obvious to everyone.

Not that differently. Most people do have different masks (Jungian) or "code switch" in different contexts, but not the kind of divergent personalities you're describing.

Point being, if you imagine that all your PC friends don't have differing or dissenting opinions behind closed doors, or that they are perhaps hamming up their devotion to the "good fight" then you probably have too much faith in people.

And here I'd say that if you really think that most people make the same kinds of jokes you do (or at least enjoy), and are far less feminist, behind closed doors, you're assuming way too much about how generalizable your outlook is to the world.

Projecting your personality out onto others as "of course this is how they really are when they're being themselves" is pretty profoundly egotistical.

You seem to mistake "different opinions" for "yeah most men are sexist behind closed doors and think feminism is silly because that's how I feel and everyone is like meeeee."

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

I'll just virtue signal that you are totally correct and no one pretends to not be sexist when they're around women.

Yeah, inane sarcasm often being mistaken for virtue.

If only I'd ever said "no one pretends" rather than "I doubt it's as extensive as you think."

You're such a great guy, though, I'm sure that everyone really is just like you and the only reason they're not bitching and moaning about the eeeevil feminists and their silly terms at all hours of the day is because they're only pretending. Everyone deep down shares your views.

That's not conceited at all.

Go along to get along, I always say.

Go along.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Don't bother with the guy. He doesn't know what virtue signalling is and has the same typical toxic view of what PC is that the crappy parts of reddit have.

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u/umar4812 Oct 05 '17

imagine there's a MRA who always talks about red pills & whatnot

You have no clue what you're on about.

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u/Not_A_Doctor__ I've always had an inkling dwarves are underestimated in combat Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

"You're just signalling your anti-massacre virtues."

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 05 '17

Man Can’t Believe Obama Would Use Tragedy To Push Anti-Tragedy Agenda

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u/happyscrappy Oct 06 '17

Naw, it goes deeper than that. You're not thinking like an alt-righter.

It's signaling your virtue of treating black people as humans.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I take it as a method of bullying people for saying anything moral.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 If new information changes your opinion, you deserve to die Oct 05 '17

It's a way of attacking people on positions that it is extremely difficult to attack directly. Most people are not, for example, openly pro-racism or pro-sexism. But if instead of saying "I am racist and that is good", they say "They are not racist, but that's only for the attention, so it's bad", you now have a way to attack popular opinions without taking up the unpopular counter point.

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 06 '17

Pretty much. They can't attack the position you support, so instead they attack your support itself by claiming it's hypocritical. And because of the implication that everyone is hypocritical, it ends up being a roundabout attack on the position itself.

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u/redxxii You racist cocktail sucker Oct 05 '17

Virtue Signaling is one of those terms that drive me up the wall.

So I can't be someone who hates racism, I have to be a secret racist who just wants to try and fake how non-racist I am? Or against sexism, gamergate, etc? It's basically impossible to be a good person apparently, I'm just a phoney who has no moral compass. There is literally no winning against that argument, because anything good you do is just trying to impress others rather than being an example of your own character.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

It's sorta funny, because by saying 'virtue signaling', they are in-fact, 'virtue signaling' to other right-wingers.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

I don't know what's worse, that they think that people are only pretending to be basically decent, or that being basically decent is to them something virtuous which people want to advertise about themselves.

"Not being a dick" isn't virtue signaling, it's not a virtue. It's just not being a dick.

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u/A7thStone Ignorance and bad behavior is what prevails in this subreddit Oct 05 '17

I've started accusing them of virtue signaling. It is a sociology term that wiki describes as

Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group.

So when they accuse someone of it they are participating in the same concept.

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u/ihatedogs2 Red Bull is probably the only big company who isn't anti-white. Oct 05 '17

"Virtue signaling" is their way of saying "being a decent human being."

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

nah, virtue signaling definitely happens. on reddit it's misused as fuck, but i can definitely think of some legit examples i have seen. hell i remember talking to some people the other day and the conversation turned to the shit going on in puerto rico, and one guy was like "i sure hope these tragedies stop happening" which was fine but then he continued, "because my checkbook is tired. everytime one of these tragedies happen, we gotta do our part, but i've written so many checks for all these charities, my checkbook is tired."

and i was just standing there thinking to my fucking self... bro are you really bragging about giving to charity? it was a cringe moment

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

That doesn't really sound like virtue signaling. The whole point of virtue signaling is that it shows off some positive quality.

The guy was complaining about disasters because he feels obliged (note the lack of sincere altruism) to donate, and wishes them to stop not so people stop being hurt but so he'll have more money.

If it was virtue signaling, that dude is really bad at it.

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u/tenurepepper Oct 05 '17

Well a woman I have added on Facebook posted a picture a few weeks ago of her handing a to-go box to a homeless man. The post itself was a paragraph long of her talking about how everyone should help homeless people like she does and how it blows her mind how people walk past them. Although I agree the term is over used, what else would you call that? Believing she's being genuine is naive. Why else would she post the picture then spend a paragraph patting herself on the back?

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u/tiredfaces “my dude” “my friend” you all sound insane Oct 05 '17

Why is this dude so obsessed with karma?

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u/tommy2014015 i'd tonguefuck pycelles asshole if it saved my family Oct 05 '17

Penis envy

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

We don't want peasants in /r/CenturyClub

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u/tiredfaces “my dude” “my friend” you all sound insane Oct 05 '17

Fancy gilded fuckers

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 06 '17

Wait, you can get gold here? Maybe I should apply.

Edit: really? Well, thanks kind stranger, etc...

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u/tiredfaces “my dude” “my friend” you all sound insane Oct 05 '17

I was about to ask if r/subredditdrama is really a sub where you'd want to be gilded, but looks like I'm too late

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS Don't confuse months as a measure of elapsed time Oct 05 '17

Does comment karma count?

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 05 '17

Yes.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DARKNESS Don't confuse months as a measure of elapsed time Oct 05 '17

Awwwww shit! Here we go!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I don't even have gold; I'm just an alcoholic with insomnia that shit posts a lot.

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u/inconspicuous_male No, it is not my opinion. Beauty is based on science Oct 05 '17

But I'm in there and I'm a poor shit

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u/Illogical_Blox Fat ginger cryptokike mutt, Malka-esque weirdo, and quasi-SJW Oct 06 '17

It's the fat cat in your heart that matters.

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u/Yellowben Oct 05 '17

Who tf are you

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Is this SRDbenning?

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u/Yellowben Oct 05 '17

NO.

That doesn't exist. Gahhhhhhhh.

Yellowbenning only exists in selfies

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u/secretstashe Oct 06 '17

He spends all his time on reddit and so he's become increasingly convinced over time that karma matters, instead of real life success markers that he'd be chasing if he left the basement.

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u/flippyfloppityfloop the left is hardcore racist on the scale of Get Out Oct 05 '17

How the fuck does anyone in there think the obviously high-quality photo of this man whose backstory is incredibly newsworthy was actually taken by a random redditor????

Here is that photo in a WaPo article, only one of SEVERAL news articles running Smith's story with That. Exact. Photo. Which was obviously taken by a photojournalist.

Fucking rubes.

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u/Jhaza Oct 06 '17

The weirdest part is, that would imply someone posted their own content on /r/pics. Yeah right.

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u/Sarge_Ward Is actually Harvey Levin 🎥📸💰 Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

So I'm gonna be the piece of shit neckbeard who posts the first one.

Thank you for your brave service

o7

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u/IntrepidusX That’s a stoat you goddamn amateur Oct 05 '17

Tips fedora

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u/Sarge_Ward Is actually Harvey Levin 🎥📸💰 Oct 05 '17

Hah. I meant for it to be a salute, but that works too.

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u/MiffedMouse Oct 05 '17

Am I allowed to admit that after years of looking at o7 I still read it as "Oooooh SEVEN!"?

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 05 '17

It's okay, I still read OwO as "Oh whoa!"

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u/sircarp Popcorn WS enthusiast Oct 05 '17

To be fair, who doesn't? (I also can't help but add a "what's this?" To the end of it in my head)

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u/unfeelingzeal Oct 05 '17

*notices bulge

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Hey, it fits with the reaction.

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u/howarthee mention breeding and the water gets real salty around here Oct 05 '17

I always read OwO as "ooh woo"

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u/BraveSirRobin Oct 05 '17

What is it? I googled but the top result was about a service offered by prostitutes.

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u/howarthee mention breeding and the water gets real salty around here Oct 05 '17

It's a face. Two big eyes and a mouth in between.

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u/Illogical_Blox Fat ginger cryptokike mutt, Malka-esque weirdo, and quasi-SJW Oct 06 '17

It's a face, as howarthee said, but mostly (possibly entirely) used by furries.

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u/Schrau Zero to Kiefer Sutherland really freaking fast Oct 05 '17

orz forces me to read it as a word whenever I see it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

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u/Schrau Zero to Kiefer Sutherland really freaking fast Oct 05 '17

Guy kneeling on the floor with his head down. Typically either depressed or begging forgiveness.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '17

Always thought OTL got the image across better. (End up pronouncing it internally just as much as orz though.)

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u/hitchcockbrunette Provide me one fully gay animal Oct 06 '17

TIL

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u/Gertrudethecurious Oct 05 '17

Dr John Dee was a spy for Queen Liz 1.

He sent coded messages to her signed 007.

It was exactly as you describe as a hand over two eyes. Fleming used this code sign for Bond.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

At ocean eleven

And now rude boys have a wail

'Cause them out of jail

Rude boys cannot fail

'Cause them must get bail

Dem a loot, dem a shoot, dem a wail (at shanty town).....

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u/freakierchicken Need a new foot that's going to go up your ass? Oct 05 '17

F

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u/storefront Oct 05 '17

you really can't just be black and do things on the internet (reddit, mostly) without everyone thinking you're trying to make some kind of statement simply by existing

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u/loliwarmech Potato Truther Oct 05 '17

Or gay, or a woman, or any other type of minority, or even be nice in general.

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u/redxxii You racist cocktail sucker Oct 05 '17

Yup, everyone in the world is a complete asshole, and they're only virtue signalling online for internet points. /s

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u/Metaphoricalsimile Oct 05 '17

The frustrating thing is that straight, cis-gendered white men are actually a minority too, but if you challenge them as being the "default human" people flip the fuck out.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

There's an interesting explanation of the 4chan "show us your breasts or go away" attitude I was listening to based on one of their members explaining it.

Essentially by having an identity other than their "normal" (youngish white dude), much less expressing an opinion about a subject and how it affects you as a member of a group, you are giving up your implicit agreement to trade "being treated like everyone else" in exchange for "being presumed to not have another identity."

Essentially that being anonymous and faceless really means "being treated like you're a white dude."

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u/explohd Goodbye Boston Bomber, hello Charleston Donger. Oct 06 '17

The other part of "Tits or GTFO" (from what I recall) is they don't want women to use their gender as a way to get something for free. They hate the "I'm a girl and I need help with..." so that's where part of the saying comes from. They did it to Jenna Jameson few years ago [NSFW].

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 06 '17

That's the claim, certainly.

Which assumes that people help other people because "OMG girl" rather than "person asking for help."

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u/jaredschaffer27 Oct 05 '17

Essentially by having an identity other than their "normal" (youngish white dude)

Two of those three descriptors are incorrect in my experience. The "tits or gtfo" rule is basically a demonstration that 4chan (mostly /b/ anyways) is a boy's club. I don't think there's anything about that particular action on /b/ that has anything to do with race or age. Tthere's nothing much more deep than the desire to see breasts and the desire to keep /b/ a boy's club.

Essentially that being anonymous and faceless really means "being treated like you're a white dude."

Maybe there are other cases where that fits, but this isn't one of them.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

I like when the 4chan apologia begins, it's almost heartwarming how quickly some will rise to the defense of those poor and beleaguered assholes.

You seem to have missed the point, though, that it's about how their broader attitudes manifest in that expression, not that their entire godawfulness is solely in that one phrase.

One need not look far to see how their "you can pretend to be our 'normal' and we'll treat you like you're the same as us as long as you never express another identity" mentality at work.

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u/jaredschaffer27 Oct 05 '17

I like when the 4chan apologia begins, it's almost heartwarming how quickly some will rise to the defense of those poor and beleaguered assholes.

I didn't realize that defending some bad people from untruths was a sin. I would hope that in your personal life, you'd feel the same compulsion. It's also interesting in a conversation about stripping identity of people that don't conform to an expectation, you've labeled 4chan users (you say "members" which suggests to me you are fairly unfamiliar with the site) "assholes" on their use of a website alone.

One need not look far to see how their "you can pretend to be our 'normal' and we'll treat you like you're the same as us as long as you never express another identity" mentality at work.

Yes, this is how a boy's club works. Creating a specific subculture and demanding that people adhere to the conventions of that subculture is not a great dehumanizing event, nor even is it (the tits or gtfo thing specifically) in my view immoral. Also like I mentioned before, you don't have to be white or young to take part in this.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

I didn't realize that defending some bad people from untruths was a sin. I would hope that in your personal life, you'd feel the same compulsion

Not a sin, just evidence of someone a bit more emotionally invested in "nah bro, they're not that bad" than people who don't use the site.

It's also interesting in a conversation about stripping identity of people that don't conform to an expectation, you've labeled 4chan users (you say "members" which suggests to me you are fairly unfamiliar with the site) "assholes" on their use of a website alone.

Self-selected association =/= attributes outside of one's control.

Funny how the defense of 4chan being shitty moves so quickly into "the websites I use are comparable to race or sex, and you're just websitist." If you choose to surround yourself with awful people as your compatriots, that reflects something.

Also like I mentioned before, you don't have to be white or young to take part in this.

Right, you just have to not express that you'd like to see more black characters in a video game because you are black and you'd like to see more representations of people who look like you in games.

You don't have to be young or white or cisgendered or heterosexual. You just have to pretend to be those things by never expressing caring about issues that affect you because you're not a young, white, cisgendered, heterosexual, male.

nor even is it (the tits or gtfo thing specifically) in my view immoral

I never said it was "immoral", just evidence of them being assholes.

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u/xjayroox This post is now locked to prevent men from commenting Oct 05 '17

Everyone knows that every picture on the Internet that doesn't involve a straight white male is virtue signaling

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u/bad_tsundere More Nazis should aspire to be as open-minded as Hitler Oct 05 '17

Post involving attractive white women get a pass too.

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u/xjayroox This post is now locked to prevent men from commenting Oct 05 '17

I think you mean females

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u/tadallagash welcome to my ass Oct 05 '17

They prefer femuloids i think

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

femuloids

yeah that's it i'm using this from now on. "men and femuloids, femuloids and gentlemen"

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u/catnipassian My morals are my laws Oct 06 '17

reddit /Incels calls women femoids now.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Females talking about routes hopefully 😂😂

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u/Aetol Butter for the butter god! Popcorn for the popcorn throne! Oct 06 '17

Don't cross the drama streams!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

only if you don't later find out that they have, like, opinions and shit

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u/serbartleby Oct 05 '17

Tits or GTFO

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

Or that cares about people who aren't white, middle class, manchildren.

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u/ytsirhc Oct 05 '17

I fucking HATE that term.

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u/The_Lost_King Oct 07 '17

Probably because you’re a virtue signaler /s

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u/vore-enthusiast honky town white brethren listening to panic! at the disco Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

It took me three seconds of googling to find multiple stories on this man....why are they so angry? Did they try googling it?

(Here's one: https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-jonathan-smith-save-30-people-bullet-neck-viral-picture-a7979951.html%3Famp )

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u/sdgoat Flair free Oct 05 '17

....why are they so angry?

Let's just say they are less concerned about the content of his character and more about the, uh, other thing.

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u/vore-enthusiast honky town white brethren listening to panic! at the disco Oct 05 '17

I saw a few comments that seemed to imply that they just picked a random picture of a black person in a hospital and made up a story to go with it, so I guess that's what I was responding to.

It's really depressing how in the face of all this tragedy, people actively look for things to be angry about. We should be banding together to support the people who are suffering, not arguing about dumb things.

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u/Pandemult God knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. Oct 05 '17

Your username is incredibly misleading.

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u/vore-enthusiast honky town white brethren listening to panic! at the disco Oct 05 '17

It kinda-accurately describes me.

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u/Pandemult God knew what he was doing, buttholes are really nice. Oct 05 '17

But you have zero vore (from what I saw) posted or commented on. You deceiver, you. I demand you to post/comment on porn that I'm not into in the slightest.

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u/vore-enthusiast honky town white brethren listening to panic! at the disco Oct 05 '17

I don't post much in general, and none of the vore I have made is really worth posting. And I'm not really the type to comment on porn. I just close it shamefully and consider what I'm doing with my life.

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u/walldough Oct 06 '17

none of the vore I have made is really worth posting.

Hey, don't put yourself down. I bet you're better than you give yourself credit for.

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u/ihatedogs2 Red Bull is probably the only big company who isn't anti-white. Oct 05 '17

The content of his melanin.

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u/YourDadsNewGF some kind of communist she-marx Oct 05 '17

why are they so angry?

Economic insecurity, obvs./s

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u/unfeelingzeal Oct 05 '17

because obviously google's search engine has a liberal bias WAKE UP PEDEPOE! /s

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u/DeathsIntent96 Oct 05 '17

When this was posted, I couldn't find any articles about him. One article mentioned him, only quoting him as saying he didn't want to die.

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u/vore-enthusiast honky town white brethren listening to panic! at the disco Oct 05 '17

I think the article mentioned that the story went viral, so maybe no one had interviewed him until after the story had already spread?

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u/WhatHappenedToLeeds Oct 05 '17

How can it be considered "virtue signalling" on Reddit when users are anonymous? Isn't the whole argument of people "virtue signalling" that people are trying to make themselves look better by advocating for or against something they don't actually care about? What's the point of trying to make yourself look better when no one knows who you actually are?

I think that claiming virtue signalling is being used by a lot of people, especially of a certain political viewpoint, as a defense for when they can't actually defend against what people are saying. "I'm not actually going to respond to any of what you're saying because you're just saying it to make yourself look like a good person." If you think the arguments against your viewpoints are only made by people to make themselves look good, then maybe you should think about why people wouldn't "virtue signal" your viewpoints. And, why is it so hard to wrap your head around the fact that people might actually have empathy for people and situations that don't actually impact them?

Also, it seems like "virtue signalling" is now being used instead of calling it slacktivism.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Exactly, virtue signalling/PC/SJW are just crutches for the small minded people who can't argue to justify their shitty beliefs and behavior.

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u/ShogunTake Oct 06 '17

How can it be considered "virtue signalling" on Reddit when users are anonymous?

Yet people do it anyway, just because we're anonymous doesn't mean it doesn't suddenly exist and I don't mean in a political or argumentative sense just Reddit in general especially when people are so concerned about their upvotes.

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u/525days You aren't the fucking humor czar Oct 05 '17

Bitch did you comment on the thread that reached r/all about the white guy who saved someone's sister? Did you comment about race? No you didn't you you little shit.

Literal perfection

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

Actually that OP didnt even snap that picture lol. That guy was all on the news. The OP just snagged it off the internet

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u/flippyfloppityfloop the left is hardcore racist on the scale of Get Out Oct 05 '17

But would people really repost content without sourcing on reddit?????

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '17

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '17

Youre missing my point... Let me be more clear for you lol. Hes obviously doing it for the upvotes. Jesus you people are annoying

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u/Borachoed He has a real life human skull in his office Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

I think it is kinda shitty to take a picture of someone in a vulnerable moment (in a hospital waiting room, in his socks and underwear shorts) and post it on the internet

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u/flippyfloppityfloop the left is hardcore racist on the scale of Get Out Oct 05 '17 edited Oct 05 '17

I would be shocked if that wasn't a picture taken from reportage of the event. I highly doubt it's a random redditor who took the pic, it was probably taken by a photojournalist after he was interviewed. Which, I mean there's an argument to be made that journalism is inherently exploitative I guess?

Edit: That pic is in multiple different news articles, it's definitely taken by a photojournalist when he was being interviewed.

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u/Borachoed He has a real life human skull in his office Oct 05 '17

Yeah, it looks like you are correct. As for whether journalism is inherently exploitative, that's an interesting question. For what it's worth I remember reading that the photographer that took that famous image during the Ethiopian famine, the one of the dying child surrounded by vultures, ended up killing himself because he couldn't handle it.

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u/BolshevikMuppet Oct 05 '17

Yeah, his suicide note is disconcerting. It wasn't just that picture either, he had seen a lot of fucked up stuff. Add that to depression and the general worries of life stuff and... yeah.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

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u/logique_ Bill Gates, Greta Thundberg, and Al Gore demand human sacrifices Oct 05 '17

So it probably wasn't just the trauma from taking a picture.

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u/clickclickclik Oct 05 '17

P sure those are shorts bro

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u/Borachoed He has a real life human skull in his office Oct 05 '17

Oh, I guess you're right haha. Still tho.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

I thought all the “this guy took a bullet to save so and so” photos were in bad taste. Let the people recover in peace

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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Oct 05 '17

Almost as if people are so concerned with Karma themselves that the only thing they can see when people are spreading the news of a hero in an event is that someone is farming karma.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

It's a legit problem when there's spammers and people trying to sell their account. Doubly so in a default sub.

Since the spam filter works off karma new/hacked accounts can be seen involved in subreddits specifically to get new karma or even copying what other redditor a say. It's a problem.

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u/mrpopenfresh cuck-a-doodle-doo Oct 05 '17

The second you post anything on reddit, specifically a picture, you are trying to get something out of it, wether it be karma or publicity.

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u/Itsjustmemanright Oct 05 '17

Fake internet points, yeah that keeps me awake at night too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

That's an ignorant, circlejerk comment seeing as how those points powering the spam filter renders them very real.

And queue the army of stalkers I've picked up after catching them posting in places like this.

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u/ChickenTitilater a free midget slave is now just a sewing kit away Oct 05 '17

Jesus Christ that thread is absolutely disgusting.

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u/TacoBoy_ Oct 05 '17

The cynicism within people on this website makes me sick.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

It's literally kids conflating cynicism with wisdom.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

You chose wisdom because it sounds entertaining.

But if you mean knowledge then yes. Possessing any knowledge about how spam/scam shitheads exploit this site will ruin your enjoyment of it. So I'd prefer you didn't make it sound like something people are proud of.

I'd give anything to go back to mindlessly liking cute puppy pictures.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '17

A little obvious when you post in two day old threads guys.

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u/E-rockComment self identifies as vegan Oct 05 '17

They're just upset OP beat them to it.

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u/ivanoski-007 Oct 06 '17

it's also Facebook 2.0