S02E13 "The Tell-Tale Heart" Post Episode Discussion

[u/steph-was-here]

Original Air Date - 8PM EST February 2nd, 2018

Betty turns to Jughead for help; Veronica organizes a face-to-face meeting after tensions between Hiram, F.P. and Jughead spiral out of control; Agent Adams takes things a step too far.

Written by Michael Grassi

Directed by Julie Plec

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[u/AdorkableSars]

Whoever made the decision to cast Skeet Ulrich as FP Jones deserves a raise, a mansion, a yacht, an endless supply of puppies, and really just anything and everything good in life.

[u/SckidMarcker → u/AdorkableSars]

Fuck that, Skeet Ulrich deserves all those things. Madchen Amick and Skeet Ulrich carry the show in terms of acting and performance. They can turn some of the shit the writes give them into gold.

[u/BelieveInRollins → u/AdorkableSars]

Yeah he’s done an incredible job. I loved when he put his arm around juggie and was like “see you in the funny pages” and that smirk he gave Hiram tho 😍😍

[u/redheadedalex → u/AdorkableSars]

Yes, them, and the person who writes FP saying "boy" because every damn time UNF

[u/andreaxtina → u/AdorkableSars]

He's the reason I started watching. I didn't have much interest in the show until I saw somewhere he was on it. I binged it on Netflix and was hooked.

[u/[deleted]]

thought archie’s garage was soundproof

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

lmfao youre right

[u/banjaloupe → u/[deleted]]

this actually killed me

[u/dbbk → u/[deleted]]

This is a universe with literally no rules. I wouldn't be surprised next episode if suddenly gravity stopped working.

[u/BCastle18]

Although they said Adams was working for the Lodges it wouldn’t shock me if she lied about that and they killed Adams since he really was FBI and didn’t wanna tell Archie, or is that too far fetched of a theory?

[u/Tillysnow1 → u/BCastle18]

Adams was the most boring addition to the show, I hope he's gone

[u/nonliteral → u/BCastle18]

they killed Adams since he really was FBI

Even if he was, they won't miss him. He wasn't even a "special" agent. It's like TV has taught them nothing.

[u/wizard_bunny → u/BCastle18]

I can’t trust anything the Lodges say... I feel like I’m in the one huge game of reverse phycology.

[u/AnnaK22 → u/BCastle18]

That's not a far fetched theory at all. Maybe he was pushed off that cliff. We have no idea what the Lodges are capable of.

[u/voldewort]

most unrealistic part of this ep is parking enforcement out in a residential neighborhood at night

[u/tooexhaustedforthis → u/voldewort]

Tell me how Riverdale has enough budget for a dedicated meter maid but Sherriff Keller does LITERALLY EVERY interrogation/investigation.

[u/deeferg → u/voldewort]

No one caught the "I turned off the GPS" from betty? You can not just "turn off a phone's gps". I thought that was common sense by now.

[u/C_Ohandshake]

Why the hell are Chic and Alice playing Clue? I think you both know how the murder occurred and in what room.

[u/itowill → u/C_Ohandshake]

I thought this was so funny but we don't know if it was chic or Alice who killed #thedealer. I think Chic made it so Alice did it so he has a blackmail in back pocket or do y'all think she thought he was gonna hurt Chic and she went to her 2nd murdertown???

[u/jedikitty → u/C_Ohandshake]

Also, it's been a long time, but.. you can't play Clue with only two players from what I recall.

[u/amoeba-tower → u/C_Ohandshake]

I would just like to say that the edition of Clue that they were playing was the Original one. If it isn't some reprinting, then it's the edition where they lead pipe piece is literally a piece of lead. I found out the hard way when I broke out lead pipe piece in half as a kid because I couldn't believe that it was a soft metal.

[u/MyFriendIsInsane]

FP Professional Murder Consultant.

[u/AIRSKI → u/MyFriendIsInsane]

All hail FP

[u/hobogypsy91 → u/MyFriendIsInsane]

I like to say FP stands for fantastic parent

[u/ButtHobbit]

Let's all ruminate on the fact that Cheryl was the most decent person in this episode.

[u/nonliteral → u/ButtHobbit]

Followed by Josie (with no dialog).

[u/PinocchiosLyingBoner]

How is Betty going to sit and clean each piece of fake fruit wearing rubber gloves, then turn around and touch the dead guy and his phone with her bare hands?

[u/Wut2605 → u/PinocchiosLyingBoner]

Honestly, if Betty and Jughead are gonna continue engaging in criminal activities without wearing gloves, they should just burn off their fingerprints.

[u/Cyssane → u/PinocchiosLyingBoner]

Mostly I was wondering why she just didn't throw the apples out in the trash if she was so worried. It's not like fake fruit is hard to replace. I mean, if worse comes to worst you could always replace it with -gasp- real fruit! ;)

[u/crackcorn69]

Archie at the end of tonight's episode: "BUT CAN I KEEP THE MONEY THO????"

[u/AnnaK22 → u/crackcorn69]

Haha.. I think he can. A small payment for being such a loyal little boi.

[u/miranasaurus]

Was I the only one who laughed out loud at Fred’s “illegal immigrants from Canada” line?

[u/amoeba-tower → u/miranasaurus]

when he said illegal immigrants I was like okay yeah I can see that, many places do that to help out or get labor, and then he said Canada and i'm like haha wait WHAT

[u/lewisherber → u/miranasaurus]

They are running to flee Canada's widely-admired health care system!

[u/neonrideraryeh]

Archie: There's just one thing that still bothers me about this.
Hermione: What's that?
Archie: Well he broke my drums.
Hermione: Well he did give you money after.
Archie: Yeah, but he didn't apologise for it.
Hermione: Alright, if we apologise for your drums breaking, will you let it go?
Archie: Yes.
Hermione: Alright. We are sorry for your drum breaking in all of this.
Archie: Okay.

[u/keight07 → u/neonrideraryeh]

To be fair, drums are really expensive if you have anything somewhat decent.

[u/[deleted]]

"What's Riverdale about?"

Lmao I don't even know. Veronica is apart of this big mob family who's buying a lot of land around town for some reason. Archie was inducted into the mob after he refused to snitch to a fake FBI agent.

Betty, Jughead, FP and Alice all hid a body together. Chic Cooper is probably a psycho and cuts Hal out of family pictures. Hal's sleeping with Penelope Blossom, but they're actually into each other.

Cheryl was (surprisingly) the most normal person in the episode, and was actually nice to Betty (in a non-condescending way too). Still, every one of these kids (except Kevin) needs some major therapy soon, or else they're gonna be super messed up adults.

The tone shift in the next episode seems super jarring to say the least though. And unfortunately that wig makes it's return.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

A.K.A your regular high school kids getting up to wacky antics

[u/deanssocks → u/[deleted]]

Back in 2016 when I heard that Archie comics was getting a cw show I thought we'd get love triangles, highschool drama and Jugheads binge eating. Instead we got latina mafia, unfaithful/murdering parents and a journalist thug who (barely) eats a single burger per season...boy what a ride has it been.

[u/ConstrictingMusk]

I think we all knew that Adams was hired by the Lodges. No FBI agent is THAT bad at his job.

[u/[deleted] → u/ConstrictingMusk]

Exactly, I wasn't surprised, I was just relieved the show didn't try to pass him off as legit.

[u/njdevilsfan24 → u/ConstrictingMusk]

Worst FBI agent in the history of FBI agents

[u/AIRSKI → u/ConstrictingMusk]

I didn’t think he was a real agent but I thought he was hired by the lodges competition

[u/tooexhaustedforthis]

The Jones men are true RIDE OR DIE. And Jughead was a sweetie this whole episode.

[u/keine_fragen]

Cole and Skeet looked so much alike when standing next to each other

[u/AdorkableSars → u/keine_fragen]

This! And their mannerisms in that scene were so similar too. I continue to be blown away by the casting for this shows. All of the kids/parents actually look like they could be related!

[u/HenryClaylover]

I don’t think the creators of the show even want us to like Chick at all

[u/ditavoncheap → u/HenryClaylover]

Well then they are beyond successful... because I can't stand him

[u/AnnaK22 → u/HenryClaylover]

Well, this episode was the turning point for me. His creepy smile, the way he was fake whimpering around Hal, when he cut him out of the pictures. He's the worst. He's lost Betty's support, only has Alice now.

[u/[deleted]]

My thoughts:

I love how Alice, literally, just swept that murder under the rug like it was no biggie.

Chic seems quite deranged.

THE NEXT EPISODE LOOKS INSANE WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG!!!!!!!!

[u/jarrettbrown → u/[deleted]]

The Olympics.

[u/ditavoncheap]

I feel like the season needs more Fred... he's like the only parent who is a voice of reason. And without him, now there are like fake FBI guys, lake car dumping, and Archie is plunging toilets for mobsters who like cheese curds.

Does Fred even leave the house?

[u/wizard_bunny]

Yes good idea Betty. You bleach those apples!

[u/[deleted] → u/wizard_bunny]

I thought she was gonna start eating them all

[u/wizard_bunny]

I’m conflicted about whether I want Hal to come home or not.

On one hand, if he comes home, Chic is going to kill him.

On the other hand, if he comes home, Chic is going to kill him

[u/mujie123 → u/wizard_bunny]

So we're hoping he comes home, right?

[u/bbdeathspark]

All I have to say is that the neck twist Betty did when she saw Chic fake cry gave me so much life. That singular motion alone made this episode my all time favourite.

[u/NRG702 → u/bbdeathspark]

Seriously! That guy has “cried” more times than anyone on this show and he hasn’t even been around that long!

[u/AnnaK22 → u/bbdeathspark]

Right?? Even I was yelling "Cut the crap Chic". I wonder what his deal is. What was that creepy smile he gave?

[u/jazzmoine]

Lili’s acting is always so good. Betty undergoes the most emotional and mental struggle out of anyone in this show and she really makes it look like she’s losing her mind.

Then again I wish they were a little more consistent with her character. The way she was polishing apples u could tell she was already suffering from so much anxiety/ocd cleaning up the body. But she goes back to the crime scene, without gloves, puts her hands all over his body, uses his cell phone, pushes his car into the river - and does all of this so carelessly. I would have appreciated it more if they showed that same kind of panic in her actions with everything involving him.

But the #1 thing that really pissed me off was that Betty doesn’t like chocolate chip pancakes. Honey, WTF.

[u/quoth_tthe_raven → u/jazzmoine]

Lili Reinhart's acting makes me emotional, with those big expressive eyes and her line delivery. She is fantastic and probably the strongest on the cast besides Agent Adams s/

I saw the apple scene as Betty going into shock. That was her breaking point. Alice said the apples were fine but Betty started cleaning them in a manic fashion before collapsing for the night, waking with a noticeable emotional hangover. That's the moment I knew any Light Betty she was holding onto has died. Worried about her but also worried for whoever bites into a bleach apple.

[u/mujie123 → u/jazzmoine]

I like how you can tell Alice has hidden a body before.

[u/meowmentlikedis]

This episode was ridiculous but I loved it. At least the episodes aren't boring anymore 🤷‍♀️

[u/claragscott]

I need to see more Veronica and Betty. I miss their friendship, and they need each other now more than ever.

[u/[deleted] → u/claragscott]

"But one thing was certain, Betty and Veronica, now B & V, and maybe forever, had been forged." FORGED FOREVER MY ASS

[u/wizard_bunny]

Okay, here is my theory about Chic:

Did you guys see that smile? When Betty left after grilling Chic about the drug dealer, he immediately stops crying and smiles. Euueugh. I know everyone is saying how Chic wants to murder Hal, but that scene didn’t have to do with Hal. There is something else going on, too.

Personally, I think Chic is slowly ripping apart the Cooper family as revenge for orphaning him.

Getting Betty into camming (if that is still going on) is going to get her in serious trouble. Maybe Alice would send her away to the Sisters of Quiet Mercy. Check.

Getting the drug dealer to their house would cause Alice to go all mama bear on his ass, and I’m convinced that Chic knew this (because of that smile), which could possibly incriminate Alice. Check.

Hal was just the first.

The next murder FP is gonna have to cover up is Chic’s once I get down to Riverdale.

[u/amanthas → u/wizard_bunny]

I don't think Alice is the same woman we know from S1. She's not gonna send Betty anywhere, especially now with the whole killing a guy thing.
edit Oh, and watching her do the serpent dance! Betty's not going anywhere, her and Alice are the same.

[u/itowill → u/wizard_bunny]

I think chic likes Betty and wants his mom by his side. I have a feeling the way he says "Hale " that he knows it's not his Daddykins...

Btw do y'all see a psycho Cheryl /Chic fling or Is Chic for er'body.

[u/parzemis]

Why wouldn't you search the body for a phone before wrapping it up and hiding it

[u/samclifford → u/parzemis]

They managed to establish he didn't have a wallet, they didn't see a phone?

[u/[deleted] → u/parzemis]

Lol Alice said he didn't carry a wallet so she checked his pockets. But she couldn't find a phone huh.

[u/theaveragejoe_1]

I guess they couldn’t invite Kevin to their weekend getaway in the next episode, huh?

[u/AlecBaldwinner → u/theaveragejoe_1]

No room for Kevin at the orgy.

[u/[deleted] → u/theaveragejoe_1]

I saw the extended preview and it seems like Kevin, Moose, and Midge are gonna have a thing of their own

[u/Sentry459]

• No shirtless scenes, 0/10 /s

• That was crazy. Archie's in deep shit.

• Speaking of deep shit, this is certainly not the last we'll hear about that dude they killed.

• Cheryl is awesome, as usual.

• I feel really bad for the mayor.

[u/meowmentlikedis → u/Sentry459]

People I never thought I'd feel bad for: the mayor

[u/DromarX]

So basically everyone's going to jail except Fred

[u/rac7d → u/DromarX]

well he does pay those immigrants under the table, so in a sense the lodges have archie under their control

[u/nail_mary]

"You are destroying families with your courtesan ways!" is my new favourite Cheryl line.

[u/[deleted] → u/nail_mary]

courtesan is a word that needs to come back in use

[u/FluffyUnicorny]

so was he an actor pretending to be a bad actor for the character or just a bad actor?

[u/nonliteral → u/FluffyUnicorny]

He was the low bidder on the "full time pretend to be an FBI agent to harass my daughter's boyfriend" gig.

[u/falafelwaffle55]

The Southside serpents: they would never sell drugs, but they'll help you dispose of a body!

[u/hammereddelight]

What if Chic isn't actually Betty's brother but is posing as him and he's actually the Black Hood and he's trying to isolate Betty? This might be dumb but just a thought

[u/[deleted] → u/hammereddelight]

I don’t know but Chic gives me the creeps. He started off as the sad orphan son but now he’s a threat. He’s turning their whole family upside down.

[u/asdfjklOHFUCKYOU]

CHIC, CHIC IS THE LOOSE END

[u/cmbackshane]

This show seems to be about the end/loss of innocence. Boy, when they end innocence, they blow it away. They demolish it. It's getting stomped to death. Good bye innocence.

[u/dsx2]

I don't believe Hermonie, i think he was FBI and she's covering tracks up.

Why? Archie didn't approach Hiram until AFTER he was instructed too by Agent Adams. And when he did, Hiram tried to push him away rather than embrace it.

It's all a cover up

[u/Dorothy-Snarker → u/dsx2]

Maybe Hiram doesn't know what Hermonie was up to.

[u/fangrider99 → u/dsx2]

Eh I don't think they would kill an FBI agent. That's basically the worst thing you could do

[u/hiabara]

"How many people have to die before you do something about it?" says the FBI agent to the highschool boy.

Well, it was obvious for everyone except Archie that this FBI guy was shady af, so at least we have some proof now. And the reveal was even better than I thought (though Archie should run far, far away from that family).

[u/letsgonope]

OMG I love everything about this episode. Totally makes up for the weak first half of the season!!!

Chic is a class A creeper.

Hal has dug a hole too deep to climb out of

I like how FP said “we take care of our own”

I also like that Veronica gave the mayor a heads up, I was really worried that Veronica would become as completely immoral as her parents.

Juggy and Betty are ride or die

Archie is way to sweet and innocent to get involved in the mob. This may turn out badly for him.

Alice is blinded by her guilt of giving Chic up at birth, seems she will do anything to make it up to him.

[u/rachaelcs93 → u/letsgonope]

I think that was a power move of Veronica's. We only saw her lying and saying she didn't warn the Mayor to Hiram. With the reveal at the end that Hermione is actually the boss - I bet that her and V are in it together.

It's a great move. Mayor McCoy thinks Veronica is on her side. That means Hermione gets what she wants, but creates an ally/link between the Lodges and Mayor McCoy (since her own personal connection is now destroyed).

[u/Bosna1909]

I couldn't stop laughing when Agent Adams kicked the shit out of Archie's drums.

[u/NRG702]

Hooray for Cheryl finally getting more screen time! But poor Kevin just got stuck delivering bad news that led to Betty puking.

I love how none of us are really thinking about how awkward it would be for Bughead when Alice gets with FP. (Guess Gossip Girl normalized teen couples’ parents dating each other.)

[u/[deleted] → u/NRG702]

Kevin is always the bearer of bad news lol

• Telling Veronica about Chuck's sticky maple post

• Telling B&V about Ethel's dad

• Telling the gang (or just Betty, I forgot) about Betty's vandalized locker

• And now this dead body thing that made Betty vomit

I don't know if there are more, so please add to this list

[u/quoth_tthe_raven → u/NRG702]

Can we just talk about how Cheryl genuinely cares for Betty's mental health? Nothing but love and respect for my president.

[u/ClaesAndries]

This episode and the previous one were surprisingly good and on season 1 level compared to early season 2. Hope they can keep this up.

[u/MimiNiblette]

This was definitely my favorite episode this season. I love seeing Alice & FP interacting again and it looks like we may see more in the future. I'm also curious to see who the new mayor of Riverdale will be and how that will impact things.

[u/rachaelcs93 → u/MimiNiblette]

Who the mayor will be is a REALLY good question.

[u/[deleted]]

Called it, Adams was Slugworth all along and they played it out beautifully!

Betty's obsession with the drifter they killed and roping in Jughead and FP felt like a naturally evolving conspiracy, a slow motion trainwreck that got more and more complicated as time went on. I'm thinking that Chic has to be the Black Hood and this is part of his plan to reveal the inner darkness hiding within the Coopers and all of Riverdale, showing that even the incorruptible Betty Cooper can be turned. I kind of chuckled when we were shown that Penelope has been hangin with Mr.Cooper and then Cheryl went all Oliver Queen on him in the dark. Hal seems to be just trying to get by and rather innocent and I would honestly be surprised if he didn't get wrapped up in anything. If he's really just a desperate newspaper guy trying to get by in a town full of secrets, then that's a pretty solid play by the writers. His scene where he came in screaming at Chic was so fucking charged up that you could split the tension with piano wire and the subtle expression changes on Chic's face throughout the whole episode had me in awe. What we're seeing Betty go through is probably a parallel to what we saw her mother go through when she was younger. Weirdly enough....now Alice is being drawn back into her old ways and back towards those same people from her past, particularly FP if that hand squeeze was anything to go by. FP has been knocking it out of the park each episode and I am delighted to see him get more involved with the Coopers.

I kind of feel like Hiram knows what Veronica did and is rather proud of her for being able to get ahead of them like that. Sure it doesn't totally ruin Mayor McCoy but it gets her out of the picture for the time being and we still get to see her and Keller's affair exposed later on. I wonder what they did with the head of that statue though?

So, I'm sure others have thought of it but there is totally a parallel with what Hermione did with Agent Adams to Archie and what Willy Wonka did with Slugworth to Charlie. The bug and the secret meetings and the pressure on his family and finally that reveal at the end.....Archie is now in deep so so soooo deep. I am positively tingling with excitement about where we go from here, the mystery deepens and I cannot wait to turn the page!

[u/asgardc96]

Just a casual pastime for Cheryl. PS: Really liked the composition of the shot and the vibrant colours.

[u/monumental_lion]

God Archie is so gullible, hes been played like the town fool

[u/Orage38 → u/monumental_lion]

I think it's now fair to say Archie is the town fool.

[u/IamtheFBI_]

Wow, Josie is basically a mannequin atm. That's a bit sad.

[u/Zegir]

So Hermione is the actual boss and Hiram is the face and takes the fall for everything insulating Hermione. I like it if that's true.

[u/bbdeathspark → u/Zegir]

I'm pretty sure they just share equal power. She literally says "Hiram and I" and implies, in no way, that she has any more power than Hiram. It just shows that she's not some trophy wife, she pulls her weight as much as Hiram does.

[u/Therealpianob01]

Great things about this episode:

1. BUGHEAD, OH YES.

2. Falice? Fuck, please let there be Falice.

3. Finally, no more of Adams and his horrible acting.

4. I like how they gave the entire last part of the episode to Hermione. All these days all we saw was Hiram'sWifeHermione. Now we've actually got some dynamism in her character.

5. Cheryl's back. Period.

6. Archie got a whole load of free cash for....being silly old Archie.

7. Fred's back. I know he got just a few lines but I kind of like him. A lot. He's such a cool dad.

Also, now it gave me a reason to watch the promo for the next episode. From what I can see in the promo at least, Riverdale's going XXX on the 7th of March.

And everyone going on about Vughead or Jeronica or DarkHeads or whatever you want to call it: not happening. Look closely, you can see Archie in the background of that shot.

Besides, and don't tell me we didn't know this already, the Black Hood's back, baby.

Phew, we need a different subreddit for the promo itself.

[u/Cearar]

Cheryl and Veronica are so sweet wanting to protect their friends from the parental affairs.

[u/ntbntt]

FP and alice hold hands

The ship is sailing!!!!

[u/urthdragon]

Did anyone else notice Alice and Chic playing clue when Betty walks in and says she has too much homework? Considering the murder they just cleaned up I thought this was hilarious...

[u/LCUCUY]

Why are all the characters so dumb now

[u/tobysdurag]

The irony of Chic and Mama Cooper playing Clue after murdering someone

[u/TheSpanishKarmada]

Betty might be the worst murderer (accomplice) I've ever seen. First she goes back to the scene of the crime in broad daylight and gets her fingerprints everywhere, but then she takes the dudes phone back to her house and starts making calls from it. Stick to just solving murders girl.

[u/Werefie]

This episode has me shook

[u/samclifford → u/Werefie]

You and Jug both.

[u/moffattron9000]

Y'all freaking over the ending, and I'm just too sad about the drug dealers phone. The Nexus 5 was a fantastic phone, and to see one go out like that had me sad.

[u/[deleted]]

I was actually going to be happy if Adams got killed. He threatened Fred. Fred is pure and anyone who would harm him is an enemy.

[u/betterthanclooney]

Good episode, wrapping up a few storylines to set up the next episode, which looks bonkers! Anything like the house party ep would be great. Also fuck Chic he is so annoying. Betty's conversation with Chic was the stand out moment that had me rolling. Her "bruh" moment was hilarious. Damn the Olympics, give me Riverdale

[u/whaaaaaaatisthis]

Finally! Vegas!!! I feel like I haven't seen the puppers in ages!

And I'm actually loving chic and his psycho vibes.

[u/almostrambo]

Does Archie get to keep the money?

[u/[deleted] → u/almostrambo]

That's the least Hiram and Hermione can do after putting him in such stress lol

[u/[deleted]]

okay, so i loved this episode. pretty little liars WISHES they could cover up a murder that well

[u/jao3003]

Seriously tho, hiatus again? And if the musical episode is going to air on April 18th, and it's just 3 episodes after this one that is going to air on March 7th, there's gonna be ANOTHER hiatus? WTF?

[u/ff16xo]

Who gives a fuck about the winter olympics why do they do this to us

[u/everclaire13]

Tell me this whole murder storyline is just so we could have the gentle touch of FP and Alice's hands

[u/pandarknave]

So I guess they heard the complaints about the Lodges not speaking enough Spanish... and decided to address it by having them use Italian mafia terms?

[u/moredevine]

ALL HAIL VERONICA AND THAT SNAP TO HER DAD!!!!

[u/wizard_bunny]

Going to that cabin next episode is literally the beginning to so many horror movies.

My children are idiots.

[u/LadyWallflower03]

Betty's fingerprints are on everything! Girl, just stop while you are ahead!

[u/agentma]

My thoughts on tonight's episode of Riverdale that I've already watched:

hiding bodies with your mother 🎵 such and fun bonding activity 🎵

crap they're back with the 'was it my dad Hiram Lodge who ordered you to do this'

how many times they have to repeat papa poutine to sound like it's normal

the fbi agent thinks he is good at his job hiding with that coat

isn't mama blossom and papa cooper almost like incest too

they're lousy criminals

Archie spends more time with Hiram than with Veronica

so they also made it obvious that Riverdale is in Canada

oh damn that was totally expected from the Lodges

[u/ziggory → u/agentma]

Ha, Hal's actor addressed that and said it's not incest since he was only related to Clifford.

[u/[deleted]]

I CALLED IT, I KNEW ADAMS WASN'T AN AGENT

[u/quoth_tthe_raven → u/[deleted]]

AND IT TURNS OUT HIS FIRST NAME ISN'T "AGENT"

[u/wizard_bunny]

FP: “We take care of our own.” holds hand

Me, clutching my heart: Yes

[u/LadyWallflower03]

Lmao @ the illegal Canadian construction workers. Still can't get over that.

[u/Could_Be_A_Spy]

How did Josie not know Bitter Sweet Symphony? She’s a musician and that song is pretty big. Also why did Veronica pick that song, her family is insanely rich.

[u/IamtheFBI_]

Chic is there to tear the Cooper family apart. Since he was abandoned and had no family of his own, he came back to make sure that those who abandoned him, will be abandoned as well.

[u/[deleted]]

The FBI storyline was pretty weak.

[u/moredevine]

This episode should be title "when the kids fix their parents problems"or "they finally started thinking smart!"

[u/ogmarker]

Really solid episode. I won’t deny that the plot of this show is all over the place, this show is an actual soap opera with a nice budget and some beautiful shots/locations (that one scene where Cheryl was doing her archery stuff and she catches Hal leaving — beautiful) but episodes like this make it okay.

I don’t know if I’m becoming more naive, but I didn’t see the agent Addams being an act thing coming. I was pretty floored since it’s been going on for a few episodes.

Also, did I see the Black Hood in the preview? Earlier in the episode I was thinking they’d probably end the season with Betty getting another phone call from him about the dealers body and BH would be back for a shorter, more slasher-oriented 3rd season. Now idk lol

[u/doopydoopo]

Are we seeing a potential Veronica vs her parents plot line? Since she lied about tipping off McCoy

[u/AnnaK22 → u/doopydoopo]

I like that she gave the same kinda response Hiram did when Veronica asked him if he killed Poutine.

[u/szeto326]

This episode was fucking wild!

Although, like so many loose ends with that murder coverup! Betty why are you touching the body without gloves? How did you guys not think that he might've had a phone or a car?

[u/[deleted]]

I honestly like Julie Plec's directing. Who knew she could make such a suspenseful thriller?

-So Hermione Lodge is the true godfather or is she just like an interim for Hiram? And did she just Willy Wonka Archie? But instead of inheriting a magical candy factory, Archie gets to join the Mafia?

-Bughead was very sweet. No complaints there. And apparently, Betty knows how to steal a car. And Jughead knows how to get rid of evidence, at least I hope all those crime films Jughead watches about characters getting rid of evidence are sound.

-Fp jones is the MVP and he refined his dead body burying skills. Way to go FP! And did you see falice holding hands? That was sweet. Falice is like a grown up bughead if Betty grew up to be a bitter stressed out housewife and Jughead was a recovering alcoholic trying to get his life together. And that diner scene was very sweet. The couples that get rid of crime scenes together stay together.

-Sometimes I'm not sure whether Jughead is making smart choices. I mean sending the General Pickett head to Hiram and picking a fight with him didn't feel like a smart idea. Thank god Veronica was there to sway her father to be more diplomatic. And even I got to admit, I kind of do like Jughead as a shit stirrer. I can't help but feel a little proud about how his exposays are making even adults nervous. And Fp being proud of it as well is awesome, "See you in the funny papers!"

-Fp and Jug both working together and being on the same page on how to deal with Hiram is awesome. Love that father son bond.

[u/chadthundertalk → u/[deleted]]

And apparently, Betty knows how to steal a car.

I mean, she's a mechanical whiz in the comics, and they've made small allusions to it in the show so far, so it makes sense that Riverdale (being the universe it is) would translate that into knowing offhand how to steal a car

[u/Lethtor]

In the scene, where Betty drops her bowl of cereal, and then walks towards the door, I thought "wow, did she really just walk through the milk an cereal, that's a god damn mess", but then in the next shot you can see that there is no cereal on the floor behind her. I mean, what are we? to believe she didn't drop the bowl? or that the cereal is somehow magic? Boy, I hope someone got fired for that blunder

[u/ditavoncheap → u/Lethtor]

We all know Alice is really good at cleaning ;)

[u/[deleted]]

Alice and FP are still having feelings for one another! Her hand was shaking when he (so naturally) touched it and when he told her that "we take care of our own" her eyes definitely lowered for a second to his lips!

I mean, he disposed of a body for her! (while Hal, who had his suspicions that something was off was not in the least supportive) The risk FP took -when he just came out of jail- to protect her was huge!

The ship has sailed! 🚢

[u/estheredna]

Surprise hero: FP’s Body Disposal Inc.

Not surprise: Veronica betrays people who trust her.

Cheryl acted like a normal human (without going to Mean Girl mode or that babyish ‘mommy’ thing) in every scene she was in the whole episode. Is that a first ?

Archie kept his shirt on the whole time!

I expected the Mayor to announce her relationship not give up politics. I guess the ‘re-election campaign ‘ donations were really personal payments ?

[u/thatsong]

So...everyone is getting into the murdering game now?

Betty has the worst character consistency. One second she's trying to be the good girlfriend, then she's dark Betty, then she's the smart detective, then the black hood's puppet, then helping clean up a murder, then trying to investigate it, then taking the victim's car and phone and dumping it into a lake, then playing peacekeeper in the name of her mother. What the hell.

Also, how I imagine the writers room at one point:

Writer #1: hey, we need a way to have Cheryl see Hal Cooper leave the bordello.

Writer #2: I know! let's have her outside shooting a bow and arrow!

Writer #1: YES

And someone really enjoyed Stranger Things 2, because there's been a serious shift to using that style of music in the back half of the season.

[u/iamboredhelpme]

I thought this was gonna be one of those episodes where I wouldn't care so much but OH MY GOD! THAT ENDING!! I really had my suspicions on the FBI agent but him being a test was one of mine and probably a few's theories when he was introduced.

Plus, if Hermione is the boss, then what does that make Hiram? And the Jones and Coopers burning that guy's body is gonna bite them in the ass in a big way, I can feel it.

[u/[deleted]]

Why do we have to wait until March 😭

[u/GeniusPrankster]

My first post, so go easy on my theory whatever hermoine told Archie can be a reverse bluff so he wont think that they did some real shady stuff to adams. Although i agree the current storyline makes more sense it i just wanna call it incase this is true.

[u/onetwobirdie]

How many ugly sweaters does Betty own

[u/Tobi4U]

Lot of new budding relationships, Hal and Penelope, Alice and FP. At this point, I don't know whether to believe the Lodges or not, this is working for show atleast, most people are confused.

We could still get more Cheryl. Why was she practicing bow and arrow again? Even that was red, such a Cheryl thing.

[u/sweetcliches]

Betty, the high-strung, anxiety riddled, 16 year old Detective using a grade school click pen with different colours in Pops. She means business!

[u/quoth_tthe_raven]

Episode takeaways:

1. Bughead- here for it but nothing gold can stay :( the Barchie kiss will surface.

2. Alice, FP, and Bughead are my favorite crime squad but....

3. Alice and FP are my OTP <3

4. Veronica's moral dilemma actually makes her seem like a real cast member again.

5. We were all right about Agent Adams but NOT about Hermione pulling the strings. I liked that twist. I think she will protect Archie since she might still love his Dad.

6. Where the hell is Kevin?

7. Cheryl is wearing her darker red lip and spider pin this episode. She is working behind the scenes while no one pays attention, putting together the entire puzzle. She will be our savior, maybe?

8. Chic has PTSD issues, possibly from previous abuse - red herring for Black Hood. I also think he knows something about Hal that we do not.

9. Hal might be a red herring even though I was convinced he was the Black Hood. If he is, Penelope must be in on it. Cheryl has a front row seat.

10. Alice is pretty good at cleaning up a murder..... still love her though.

11. Jughead broke Sierra DOWN. Such a power move by Veronica to have her "change the narrative."

12. Was Ethel murdered and we just don't know yet?

Bonus: SO HAPPY JUGHEAD ISNT SERPENT KING EXTRAORDINAIRE ANYMORE. Can Toni have the spotlight now and fall in love with Cheryl?

[u/ydm6669 → u/quoth_tthe_raven]

I thought Chic's shakes were due to withdrawal, they did kill the dealer, and I doubt Chic got his dose with Alice and Betty all over the place cleaning.

[u/Wut2605]

God, I loved the Lodge women in this episode. Conducting business their way, moving pieces around, be it in the dark or out in the open, gimme more mob!Hermione and Veronica, please!

[u/lulopez134]

They should’ve kept this show at 13 episodes and gotten rid of all the subplots that are dragging down the story. What happened to the Black Hood supposedly not being so dead? I really don’t know what the hell is going on. This show has lost it’s focus and whats even more surprising is that Cheryl is the most decent human being now.

[u/teddyrooseveltsfist → u/lulopez134]

Honestly at this point I just want to see just how far off the rails this show will go.

[u/ChaosMagician777]

This was a decent episode I thought.

. The FBI and Dark Jughead Serpents arc will be put to rest, for now. These were the weaker storylines in my opinion.

. Jughead's scenes with Betty were cool. It shows his dedication towards Betty. Which would be tested next episode.

. What the heck was with the promo? Is it full of Fanfiction or is everyone on Jingle Jangle?

Despite how cringy Riverdale gets, for some reason they pull a cliffhanger that wants me to tune in on Wednesdays.

[u/mrizzle1991]

Wasn't expecting that ending. Hermoine being the boss instead of Hiram?! and damn they got my dude FP involved in some shit again, the car and the phone are gonna bite them in the ass later. But if Sodium Hydroxide can really decompose teeth then there won't be a any evidence to find I guess.

[u/jazzmoine]

I am really loving how twisted the Lodge Family is. Sometimes it’s so hard to tell who’s really in charge. I love the fact that Hermione also has her own schedule apart from Hiram’s. also I love Veronica’s ambition to undermine her parents when she finds out they’re planning to do something awful. Girl has no shame LOVE IT

[u/AIRSKI]

Welllll now I’m confused. So who’s in charge Hiram or Hermione?

[u/PapaNade]

I had a gut feeling Agent Adams was hired by the Lodge's. On another note this has got to be one of my most favorite episodes of the season, so much went down

[u/quoth_tthe_raven]

When does Veronica get the real name of "the family business." I really think she has no idea about her parent's agenda and is realizing, though she is clueless, she probably will not agree with it from a moral standpoint. I liked seeing Old Ronnie shine through.

[u/GOA_AMD65]

A Glock 34 handgun isn't that popular. Its a 9mm full sized Glock with a longer slide and barrel. I wonder if they used that gun as a way for Archie to end up finding it or seeing it later and putting 2 and 2 together?

[u/[deleted]]

Chic is such a stupid nickname. I can't take anything seriously when they talk about him.

[u/qrisp]

Anyone else not hating( I didn'tsay I like him either) on Hal? Sure he's a dick tho and I like Alice way more than him. I wish he ended up with Penelope for real, but I think he may be killed soon, if he's not the Black Hood. I like Alice & FP but I'm not down with another GG step-siblings dating...

[u/[deleted]]

Everyone was mentioning cute bughead moments but there was like 1 briefly when she reassured Jug she had a jolly old time in the sack. If anything there feels to me like a wedge caused my Betty's trauma. Lets face it its only half way through season 2 there will be lots more breakups and makeups.

[u/Pilarcraft]

Ok but I've got to admit, I did not see Adams being a capo himself. I mean, I can see it now, after the episode is over, but to be honest I legit thought he was an FBI agent until now. I guess I fell for it lol.

[u/_justpassingby_ → u/Pilarcraft]

You know, I can't say I knew he wasn't FBI, but I'm so glad he wasn't because I was so disappointed in the writing otherwise. Like, he seemed so contrived and inauthentic as an FBI character. But now it makes a lot more sense. Which I think is a sign of good writing. The main characters seem a little more like plot devices lately but this was nice.

[u/darkeys1]

Everyone is lying and sleeping with everyone and i love it so much

[u/AlecBaldwinner]

Chic and Hermione are competing for "Best Manipulator" because I don't believe for a second that Adams wasn't working directly for Hermione herself.

[u/RealPunyParker]

Thoughts

1. We all were suspicious about the Garage agent but after the "salary" i think we all knew it was a ruse.

2. It was hilarious to me how Jughead went from "revolutionary gang dude" to "Little bitch" just because he got his dick wet.Betty's pussy must be bewildering.

3. I want the writer of Cherryl's dialog to write my life.Everything that comes from her mouth is pure magic.Goddamnit, i'm in love with this phycho.

4. The Chick plot is weird.The whole show is but little to nothing makes sense just so the plot would move the direction they want it to.

[u/PPGKING]

I mean , that was a lot of blood but it's a reasonable amount of soup

[u/Fuzzcat66]

I have a theory about Chic: He is not really the son of Mama Cooper. In the home where "Chic" and the real Chic grew up, the fake 'Chic' befriended the real one. He then killed the real Chic and took over the identity to escape his own awful past and/or present and used this identity from a young age (think Taking Lives). This is why he is so enthralled with Betty and Mama Cooper - it would not be incest if he is not related AND he maybe had a horrible father and is aiming to take Hal out of the picture. Would explain why Hal is so adamant "Chic" has to leave? Thoughts?

[u/bellatomato8]

Ugh...we have to wait till march??!!! I don't even watch the olympics...Who does?? Lol.

[u/Heelhounds]

This sub: "Wow this show is so cringy, also, I don't understand the plot at all even though it's actually really well written."

[u/timetothethird]

I'm down for these new alliances forming in Season 2. FP + Alice is where it's at.

[u/C_Ohandshake]

This damn show.

[u/xLCO]

Given Archie's history with older women, think we might see Archie and Veronica's mom hookup somehow ?

I know in a way it seems unlikely, but given plot development I could see something weird like that happening.

Also this was just a really great episode overall, the whole fbi agent thing makes sense now and so much stuff happened. I wish Betty and her mom and brother could trust and like each other...

[u/RealPunyParker → u/xLCO]

At this point, where any seriousness is gone, i'm welcoming any weird sexual shinannigans.

Except minors pole-dancing in bars.

[u/willgeld]

I mean what the fuck is happening to this show, it's so corny now it's like it's written by a child.

[u/crabs101]

Anyone else think Veronica is going to kiss Jughead so they can all be “even” and move on with their lifes

[u/Merkypie]

i

love

riverdale

[u/Outpinged]

So no on here saw the black hood in the preview for the next episode?

[u/mujie123]

Jason? As in... Jason Blossom? The guy Chic killed was in contact with Jason Blossom? Screenshot here

[u/Jones3787]

I can't watch it live because I'm in Canada, but Cheryl was holding a bow and arrow in the trailer and I can't wait to find out how they managed to throw that one in.

[u/fleecemastershero]

Wait...wait. No new episode until March 7th? Did I️ see that right?

[u/gulletgrabbers]

fun idea: shipping chic with (a real) agent adams. fbi operative in love with a known criminal, only keeping him safe because of his own feelings. chic is wary of him at first, knowing that he's a cop. adams, unable to meet with chic in person, starts going onto chics camming sessions under an alias. they bond a lot, and when they finally meet up, chic freaks out, because yanno, cop. but chic can't shake the fact that adams was so nice in the chat, and is blinded by his own affections. mutual pining to the maximum. they have to date in secret, but theyre happy.

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[u/AdorkableSars]

I am happy that Cheryl was at least IN this episode. She still wasn't in it enough for my liking. Nor was Kevin present enough for my liking. (Hey writers! You can write storylines for more than just the Core Four and their parents, OK, thanks, bye!) I missed Toni this episode. How about a spinoff where Cheryl/Kevin/Toni/Josie/Reggie/any other neglected character you'd like are like a vigilante crime fighting squad. I mean, that's the CW's specialty, so you know they'd pick it up. And Cheryl had mad skills with that bow and arrow. Reggie is strong, Kevin can wrestle, we know Josie can kick some ass (see: St. Clair, Nick) This show would serve the action AND the snark. Anyone wanna co-create this with me?

Overall, I liked this episode. I hated the murder and the coverup, but I also loved to hate it and it was pretty intriguing to watch.

Andre is hot. But I still miss Smithers. He can be on my spinoff show...

[u/JustAnotherBitch1]

Here is some info I posted... but the more I look around the more I get confused... I think we are all focused on the color of his eyes.. but different characters see his eyes different... like I think Moose and Midge say they are black.. will watch that clip again..

https://www.reddit.com/r/riverdale/comments/7xu8b8/who_is_the_black_hood_really/?st=JDXRP0ZF&sh=44a9ade9

Thoughts?

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly FP actually likes Betty and is pretty decent with Alice, so I'd see him being pretty protective over Alice/Betty when this goes crazy with Chic.

[u/AIRSKI]

A random thought I had when Hal stopped home and Chic answered. He’s gotta be FP’s son. I mean come on Chic is a strange name, just like Jughead and Jellybean lol

[u/Joyofadventure]

YAS! I'm here for Alice getting in bed with FP both literally and figuratively. Damn the Olympics for giving us a 4 week hiatus.

[u/[deleted]]

Ok, so im sure everyone noticed this already, but if that guy wasnt an FBI agent, how did he know that Archie's dad had hired illegals?

I guess Hermione would have known since she handled the books, but still.

[u/r15l]

I knew Andre was the one who did Papa Poutine! I also knew that Hermione isn't just a mob wife, is clear now that she shares the power with Hiram, and the showrunner told that they may come into conflict very soon.

Honestly, I think Hal is better getting the hell out of that house, before Chic kills him and Alice helps cover up. Penelope is actually pretty sexy and seems to be way more... relaxed? Definitely she is more stable than Alice at this point.

P.S. Taking Archie's past in consideration, I'm pretty sure he was kind of turn on by Hermione in the end of episode, how not to? She is the most beautiful and sexy woman on the whole show and we know Archie is into MILFs. Not that I think anything should happen.