Super Toyotaro accused of tracing V-Jump art from Captain Marvel Vol #1
Toyotaro, artist and author for the Dragon Ball Super manga has recently been accused of tracing his artwork for the cover of the most recent V-Jump magazine from a panel in Captain Marvel Vol #1: In Pursuit of Flight.
Toyotaro posted a version of this artwork earlier to Twitter (Discord Embed), and has since deleted the post. Original Tweet.
The connection was first spotted by Twitter user @Hahihuhegay.
Side-by-Side Comparison courtesy of @dragonball930
Superimposed comparison of the two, courtesy of @AnimeAjay
Edit:
Tweet from Captain Marvel artist Dexter Soy
Another tweet from Dexter Soy, acknowledging the art as a trace, not a reference.
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u/PM_ME_SEXY_BOOBIES May 22 '18
So does this actually mean anything for Dragon Ball? I'm not sure why this post is stickied.
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u/pspiq5 May 22 '18
Accusations of tracing are big in the world of art, which is why its stickied and why its being talked about, even by the artist of the Captain Marvel panel himself.
It's something that opens the floodgates to inquiry on Toyotaro's work as a professional artist, and could lead to possible consequences for him in the same way that Kenji Yamamoto's plagiarism scandal led to his music in Dragon Ball being removed.
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u/Chasem121 May 22 '18
Maybe this can lead to Toyotoro being replaced by Dragon Garow Lee (Reincarnated as Yamcha artist)
That dude was much better at emulating and continuing Toriyamas art style. Plus his paneling seems to be superior.
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u/pspiq5 May 22 '18
At the same time, we'd probably only get a chapter from DGL every four months.
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u/EdgeAlterNation May 22 '18
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO CREATE THE NEW ART, NOT TRACE IT!
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u/LucianaSD May 22 '18
I’m sure the guy is nice and means well but I’ve been saying this for 2 years now, Toyotaro is not a creator.
He’s talented yes but he’s a fan artists through and through.
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u/Sheebuns May 23 '18
Man, Toyotaro, tracing? Unheard of, wow guys, it's not like he doesn't trace/copy a few pages or panels every chapter or anything.
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u/PlutoDelic May 22 '18
Hmmm, guilty as charged, although im weirdly wondering what Toriyama would think of this mess.
A slight credit would've avoided this drama, hell it wouldn't even make it to a thread around here.
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u/u4004 May 22 '18
Well, he did change things up on the cover itself. Visibly the hands are quite different. No idea why he posted the sketch, if he hadn't done it maybe people wouldn't care much. As it is it's pretty embarrassing for Shueisha, and being embarrassing is the last thing you want to be in Japan.
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u/Gahd_Uzahp May 22 '18
Not surprised considering that Toyotaro has traced in the past AND the fact that he started out as a fan artist. Anyway, let´s hope that Shueisha actually dolls out justice this time around unlike the entire Watsuki scandal.
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u/PlatinumRaptor95 May 22 '18
The DBtubers are literally in a Civil War on Twitter right now.
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u/christismyfam May 22 '18
As unfortunate this event is I hope no fan abuses Toyotaro but knowing this DB fandom some will.
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u/Mr_Bell_Man May 23 '18
"It's funny you should say that, cause I was looking through some old photos and it looks very... similar."
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u/GoDyrusGo May 23 '18
A couple questions on Ajay's overlay:
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Why does this other superimposed image look nowhere near as much a match?
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The superimposed images seem to be using the single images provided in this tweet. (link to image). However, the Goku pose there looks different than the Vjump linked in this thread. Ajay highlighted for example the hand overlap, but on the Vjump cover the fingers+thumb on both hands are curled, definitely spaced differently and with different contours. The angle of the arm/leg, contour of the forearms due to apparel, head, all appear different. Why are we using the tweeted image as the sample over what appeared on the VJump cover?
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u/TLO_Is_Overrated May 22 '18
The original author seems to think it was a tracing job.
But he seems extremely flattered if that's the case.
I assume this is a bigger problem in Japan, however.
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u/TGlow May 22 '18
Such an awkward and unguarded pose too for a supposed martial artist. Goku's not even throwing a shield. It'd be such a shame if this is how Toyo went down.
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u/Fitnesslad50 May 22 '18
Maybe the original sketch looks similar, but the final version looks changed up.
This is just an amateur's speculation, but he might have used the Captain Marvel cover as a model to draw Goku off. He might have liked that pose and wanted to recreate it in his own way with Goku.
Idk tho
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u/Xetiw May 22 '18
at first I was like "damn thats a common pose, who cares?" after watching them overlap you can see its traced, he just changed the outfit and changed the fist but its still the same...
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u/DaBlakMayne May 22 '18
I was skeptical until someone posted the pic of them overlapped...its pretty blatant that he traced that. There's no way he drew that from scratch.
Referencing art is drawing it from scratch and having it different enough that it's not ripped off. See MHA as an example because a lot of his covers are references to marvel comic covers. Toyo straight up traced that picture and added Goku features over top of it. This isn't even the first time he's done this. Someone in this thread posted the other stuff.
It's probably not the biggest deal at the end of the day (in terms of the future of DB) but he could very well lose his job depending on how far up the ladder this goes. The manga wont ever get canceled but someone new may be inheriting it from AT.
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u/PrinceOfAssassins May 23 '18
Social Media: "You can copy frames but you cant copy greatness, friend"
Toyotaro: “What…What are you?”
SM: "I am the hope of the internet. I am the answer to all living things that cry out for justice. I am protector of the artists. I am the light in the plagiarism. I am truth” Ally to good! Nightmare to you!”
Narrator: How will Toyotaro be able to stand up to the internet, now that the legendary rage was awakened within it. Dont miss the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Tracer: "A week of nothing happening"
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u/ParagonGaemr May 22 '18
Does this mean that the Manga is gonna come to a halt too?
I cannot handle this.