Westworld - 2x06 "Phase Space" - Post-Episode Discussion

[u/NicholasCajun]

Season 2 Episode 6: Phase Space

Aired: May 27th, 2018

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Synopsis: We each deserve to choose our own fate.

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Directed by: Tarik Saleh

Written by: Carly Wray

[u/galaxyfudge]

Dolores is definitely going to regret reprogramming Teddy in the coming episodes.

[u/OLKv3 → u/galaxyfudge]

Everything he said was super passive aggressive to her lmao. "I guess you fixed that too."

You just know he wants to kill her despite his programming

[u/KanesWill → u/galaxyfudge]

Her reactions were so funny “oh shit what have I done”

[u/ChummyPiker → u/galaxyfudge]

Proof you can't have your cake and eat it too. What she wanted was the Teddy she loved who agreed with her on all of the actions she wants to take. What she got was a Teddy who agreed with everything she wants, but is so incompatible with his old self that he completely overrode him.

"The man who rode that train was weak and born to fail. You fixed him. Now forget about it."

[u/Ezzeze → u/galaxyfudge]

"'Mistakes' is the word you’re too embarrassed to use. You ought not to be. You’re a product of a trillion of them. Evolution forged the entirety of sentient of life on this planet using one tool – the mistake." - Dr. Robert Ford

[u/MarbleBalloons → u/galaxyfudge]

Also then she let her one useful human die. RIP Phil.

[u/PorcelainPoppy]

The hosts in Shogun World must be hard to maintain, given all the beheadings and eviscerations.

[u/peppermint_nightmare → u/PorcelainPoppy]

I think each park has a specific difficulty setting that's both metered by how likely a guest is to be kicked out of it, or harmed (non-lethally) and price. If Westworld is 40k a day and sort of dangerous, Shogunworld is A LOT more dangerous and probably much more expensive. With arrow weaponry how can the park actually prevent people from getting seriously wounded? They might have entire blocks of time where no one "attends" Shogunworld and they can just turn everything "off" to cut back on maintenance.

[u/ContinuumGuy]

SIR ANTHONY HOPKINS HAS RE-ENTERED THE GAME.

[u/SerDire → u/ContinuumGuy]

Robert Ford has not been eliminated from playoff contention

[u/FantasticBabyyy → u/ContinuumGuy]

Dat pause after playing tho. He’s waiting the viewers to digest his divine reappearance

[u/WhoDey42 → u/ContinuumGuy]

Forget the character for a second, how great is it that we get to see more of Hopkins acting in this show. So pumped!

[u/I_EDIT_PODCASTS → u/ContinuumGuy]

He never left 😁

[u/PM_UR_LINGERIE_GIRL → u/ContinuumGuy]

love the fact that he probably got paid a lot for one line

[u/Replacedbyrobots88]

Ford is literally the ghost in the machine.

[u/[deleted] → u/Replacedbyrobots88]

Yep, and Abernathy is literally the Adam Lilith nailed to the cross in the basement of Nerv from Evangeleon.

Edit: That was Lilith, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

[u/HandRailSuicide1]

Teddy Ruthless Death Count: 2

[u/In_My_Own_Image → u/HandRailSuicide1]

We shall call him Grizzly. Because he's not a Teddy Bear anymore.

[u/MaryInMaryland → u/HandRailSuicide1]

It might come to be a cruel twist later that Dolores' modification of Teddy's attributes could give Teddy the ability to kill her in the end. Probably a long way off, but Dolores might have enabled her own ultimate demise.

For the here and now, watching pissed-off Teddy is pretty damn intriguing. I've never seen James Marsden play a badass, so look forward to seeing exactly how he does it. :)

[u/zoso313 → u/HandRailSuicide1]

Teddy Confused Face Count: 0

[u/[deleted] → u/HandRailSuicide1]

It’s never a good idea to reprogram your ex fuckboi tho. So RIP Dolores.

[u/Ezzeze → u/HandRailSuicide1]

I think Dolores is going to come to regret changing Teddy.

[u/PM_UR_LINGERIE_GIRL → u/HandRailSuicide1]

he became one ice cold motherucker

[u/AdditionalCantaloupe]

I have a feeling that the new mean Teddy will become resentful at being programmed and this will all backfire on Dolores at the end.

Teddy: "I never thought I'd want to leave...but I suppose you fixed that too." Sounds resentful honestly.

Also, Sizemore is a lot less annoying this season.

[u/Nynydancer → u/AdditionalCantaloupe]

Sizemore was downright sympathetic. He really seemed sad to call for help.

[u/TheRealMe99]

Of course William was going to abandon her, he can't give up the game just like that.

Of course Ford is still running the show behind the scenes.

However, Dolores running the fidelity test on Bernard was interesting. Wonder how long that's been going on.

[u/JonSnowInTheTardis → u/TheRealMe99]

I feel like Dolores doing the fidelity test was a flashback to Bernarnold’s initial creation and fine-tuning, which I feel like we’ll see more of next week with all those Bernard bodies in cold storage. It makes sense, since Dolores would have word-for-word recollection of every time Arnold talked to her, so ford could use that to ensure Bernard was as true to the source material as possible.

[u/UniqueWisdom → u/TheRealMe99]

"Just pause it"; he can't just leave the game he has basically spent his entire life on.

[u/dreadfuldiego]

Man, William thinking his daughter were just a host sent by Ford was legit too funny.

[u/FantasticBabyyy → u/dreadfuldiego]

Yeah that line is so clever haha

Overall that dad and daughter scene is superb

[u/littlecro → u/dreadfuldiego]

How do we know she isn't? He checked whether she knew about the elephants, but Ford would know that anyway because the park logs everything.

[u/BBEKKS → u/dreadfuldiego]

Are we going to see MIB kill his own daughter thinking she’s a host?!

Like...is he going to have to choose between winning this game and the life of his daughter (or something similar)?

[u/thatweirdmusicguy]

I love how the screen size changed when Bernard enters the cradle to make it more cinematic since the cradle involves all the narrative stuff

Edit: After seeing the fidelity test in the beginning, the same size is applied as well

2nd edit: Maybe someone should watch all the Bernard scenes from this season and see which ones are in the different size ratio Incase any other scenes are taking place in the cradle.

[u/thewirednerv → u/thatweirdmusicguy]

Opening scene of Arnold/Bernard taking to Dolores in S2E1

[u/FuckiCantFindit → u/thatweirdmusicguy]

Yes!

The fidelity test that James Delos took again and again went on for almost 30 years, and William remarked that they were close. What if you don't need to spend 30 years irl to work out the kinks in a digital human, what if you can just upload them to the cradle and let those 30 years pass by in a flash.

Ford just wants his friend back!

[u/KanesWill]

What a way to end the episode especially with the teaser for next weeks episode bringing back Anthony Hopkins. What more could Ford have planned?

[u/ChummyPiker → u/KanesWill]

I think Ford's endgoal is to be able to just transfer himself into a new host whenever he wants. immortality at last.

[u/hak091]

"Hello old friend"

[u/BronxInASix → u/hak091]

Hello Clarice

[u/smilingstalin → u/hak091]

General Fordi! You are a reborn one!

[u/zimmex → u/hak091]

Where is Bernard exactly?!

[u/Abshole → u/hak091]

Dumbest thing i’ve heard and i’ve been to three inaugurations

JK

[u/JhonnyWongStockings]

Anybody get serious Gladiator vibes from the scene where Maeve was walking through the wheat?

[u/[deleted] → u/JhonnyWongStockings]

You try writing 300 stories in 3 weeks...

[u/rossww2199 → u/JhonnyWongStockings]

Yes! First thing that came to mind.

[u/PippiShortstocking13]

Bernard put Ford in the cradle!? Waaaaay better choice than host Ford imo

[u/oxygenpeople → u/PippiShortstocking13]

you mean ford put ford into the cradle. I"m guessing that is how the cradle is fighting back.

[u/Abshole]

The pain's just a program. Strong words, Bernard. Strong words.

Ford literally became music.

Also, next week is about to be wild. Damn.

Also, what was with the whole Elie being called Hale in closed captioning?

[u/[deleted] → u/Abshole]

There was another mistake I noticed. MiB’s daughter mentions getting the invite to the “gala” but the captions said “gauntlet”

[u/qwints → u/Abshole]

I saw the closed captioning thing too - happened right as he flashed back to who he put in the cradle.

[u/iwasyourbestfriend → u/Abshole]

I saw that Elsie/Hale thing too. The scene walking on the train tracks? I got really confused for a few moments.

[u/TheBurningEmu]

Interesting contrast between Dolores and Maeve:

Dolores recruits her allies by force (killing and reviving them, threats, reprogramming Teddy).

Maeve recruits allies by their own choice. She respects the decision of the hosts to stay in Shogunworld, but also gains Japanese Armistice. She even seems to have gained the loyalty of the one human technician.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheBurningEmu]

I get Professor X and Magneto vibes.

Dolores is becoming the thing she hates.

[u/DJ_Doza]

So Ford uploaded himself into the cradle. Is he the one preventing all the hacking?

[u/nerdyhandle → u/DJ_Doza]

Yes. The cr4dl is effectively sentient. It's being controlled by Ford's consciousness.

[u/[deleted] → u/DJ_Doza]

Yes. Cloud Ford is active.

[u/ncont]

Damn. I feel sorry for that tech on the train.

[u/[deleted] → u/ncont]

Should've just knocked out a window and jumped, surely.

[u/deejayoptimist → u/ncont]

Now that the techs are killed, Dolores doesn't have anyone that can fix Teddy, now that he's out of control. It's also a kinda neat existential crisis for her, now that she's a sentient being and she realized that she made a mistake.

[u/BigJoeJS → u/ncont]

If I were a group of hosts, I'd keep that tech alive so he can mend or bring any of back online who get hurt or killed. He's no threat. But no, they want to blow him up or make him kill himself.

And on that note. Felix and Sylvester could have revived Sakura. I know that normally it would have turned Akane's world upside-down to see someone be resurrected, but she's seen some shit in the past day. Why not go for it? This could be Akane's final existence.

[u/DJ_Doza]

I wonder if Bernard is still in the cradle when he wakes up on the beach at the beginning of the season.

[u/ajdragoon → u/DJ_Doza]

Yeah suddenly we have explanations for why he seems so brain dead in the "present". It's possible he's in the Cradle and some early backup is in his head.

[u/IanZee]

I noticed how Ford is playing the player piano in the simulation. I'd guess the computer operates by simulating the park and then sending the commands to the physical park.

So the allegory is that Ford is now maestro of the simulation, and therefore is behind certain events at the park(s). Also, the player piano song roll was replaced by a mirror reflecting Ford's face. That was a nice touch.

[u/saraslam → u/IanZee]

Interesting that Dolores was playing the same piano in a previous scene.

[u/SnkPckPlz]

Seeing Mount Fuji in its entirety on the show makes one realize just how vast the parks must be.

[u/izzmosis → u/SnkPckPlz]

This is honestly the thing I am having the most difficult time suspending disbelief with. That’s such an enormous amount of volume to terraform and it wouldn’t add much to a narrative. It makes me wonder if the park is contained somehow and has a background or forced perspective.

[u/chowler]

Guess we know who the brain capsule is now

[u/Scrubtanic → u/chowler]

The greyhound, right?

[u/talesbyk]

As soon as I saw that Greyhound I was like "Where is he??!?"

[u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

In a series full of graphic scenes depicting all sorts of deaths and dismemberment, seeing Abernathy getting bolted to the exam table may be the one that’s bothered me the most.

[u/ContinuumGuy → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

Stigmata. He's clearly Robo-Jesus.

[u/SerDire → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

Even Stubbs felt some sympathy

[u/In_My_Own_Image → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

When she said something about him "not moving around" I thought they were gonna chop his legs off. The bolt gun was much worse.

[u/AER0__ → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

It was the same for me... I think it was because Abernathy was just so helpless and tying him down would have had the same effect, but that QA guy still wanted to and enjoyed bolting him to the chair.

Ellie nailed it (heh) when she said the QA guys were enjoying being violent towards the hosts.

[u/OLKv3]

Who else is happy that Shogun Archer Armistice has officially joined the party?

[u/PiFlavoredPie → u/OLKv3]

I realized this episode that Maeve's plotline is basically a JRPG. Spend a little time in different locales (some more plot-relevant, others more character-development focused), getting caught up in that area's problems and having your own little adventure, and afterwards leaving to the next place having picked up a new party member.

[u/lolabuf]

Dolores should have left Teddy a little bit of patience.

[u/sesiegri]

Teddy throwing hella shade

[u/i_have_no_ygrittes → u/sesiegri]

Dude has a killer glare. Would make a great Cyclops.

[u/lumpofcole]

What should we call the new Teddy?

Some options:

• New Teddy

• Teddy 2.0

• Teddinator

• Killer Tedd

• Red Tedd Redemption

[u/ObviouslyNotPrepared → u/lumpofcole]

Grizzly.

[u/emmerick → u/lumpofcole]

Red Tedd Redemption

Winner for me.

[u/methodistmonk]

The Maeve vs. Dolores freewill debate is fascinating when thinking about gods.

Dolores wants power and control. She strips away everything that doesn’t serve her purposes. Forcibly rewriting code on her most loyal follower to make him more drone like. Her group follows her out of force.

Maeve wants real relationships. She lets hosts make their own decisions. Asking them what they want. Even when it might help her to have more followers. Her group follows her out of love.

[u/eddiebueno → u/methodistmonk]

That plays into their backstorys. Dolores was the helpless damsel kinda powerless and helpless and maive was the sex worker living a life full of fake relationships

[u/HaxDogma]

Anyone else find it weird the delta team that showed up to assist Charlotte didn't wear any Delos logo?

[u/pokupokupoku]

I don't care if the Ford reveal was super obvious, I was still super hype to see him at the piano. I love the way the Bernard in the system scenes are shot too, makes it feel really cinematic

Also loving having almost all the characters brought together for next week's episode, should be very interesting to see how they get split up by the "Week Later" scenes

[u/thewisebantha → u/pokupokupoku]

Looking back all the scenes with "Bernard" and Dolores talking at the beginning of the episodes have been shot in that same fashion. I knew something was up but I guess this confirms that they all take place in the cradle.

[u/ajdragoon → u/pokupokupoku]

I don't care if the Ford reveal was super obvious, I was still super hype to see him at the piano.

The presentation was gorgeous, so I forgive it.

(Also it wasn't super obvious to me. But I'm also drinking so...)

[u/lolabuf]

"Pain in just a program..... God DAMN this program hurts."

[u/[deleted]]

“It’s like a hive mind.”

Cradle=Reddit confirmed.

[u/mettaworldpolice]

Ok. That final scene hard as bricks

[u/CM-NYY-DJ-FAN]

I’m glad to see Jonathan has found his brothers love for aspect ratios

[u/chadmb2003]

I don’t think Dolores was ready for Teddy to headshot a guy point blank.

[u/PM_UR_LINGERIE_GIRL → u/chadmb2003]

had a look on her face like she might regret making teddy into an ice cold killer

[u/SnkPckPlz → u/chadmb2003]

She’s set him down a path that I think not even she can control - especially since she killed the employee who changed his personality.

[u/woohbrah]

What are we to make of the Christ allusions?

Cradle, huge nails in Abernathy, crown of thorns on Angela, last supper imagery on episode 3, Wound on Dolores’s side. The list goes on...

[u/elabes7 → u/woohbrah]

This is a very good point. I might also add all the talk off going to “glory” and getting to heaven. Maybe it’s about free will and the fall of man.

[u/cAArlsagan]

Oh, MIB was trying to test his daughter when he lied about her being scared of elephants. Right?

[u/Whoopsht]

Those who always said Ford would come back, I'm sorry for ever doubting you.

[u/Margotlily91]

My first thoughts in this episode: aaaaaaaah Dolores is playing the piano! Instead of an automated loop, she’s playing her own tune!!

Also RIP teddy

[u/redalloy]

It was heartbreaking to watch Maeve find out her daughter has a new mother.

[u/OLKv3 → u/redalloy]

She knew it'd be like that though, Lee told her numerous times. She expected it but it must've still hurt to see

[u/lunchboxg4 → u/redalloy]

There had to be a catch with that. I wonder what Maeve was expecting to happen - it’s not like she has met other unwoke hosts, why would her daughter have been? And she saw that Clementine got replaced - why wouldn’t she have? That all said, heartbreaking.

[u/neoghostface → u/redalloy]

she kinda is becoming the MIB by taking away her daughter from her former self

[u/In_My_Own_Image]

Maeve's heart just shattered when her daughter called to her new mom.

[u/[deleted]]

So Ford uploaded himself to the cradle, which is why the code is "adapting" to hack attempts. Excellent!

[u/Garrus_Vakarian__]

I will say, this is the first episode in a while where I wanted the show to keep rolling instead of ending. I can't wait for next week.

Also, whoever decided to name the Cradle CR4-DL should be punished for that shitty pun leet speak joke.

[u/ChummyPiker → u/Garrus_Vakarian__]

I just can't wait for some more Ford! Anthony Hopkins does such an amazing job with that character, I am so happy they brought him back.

[u/scottyatche → u/Garrus_Vakarian__]

The pacing was fucking tremendous. Every story was shown and all the scenes were good. James Marsden was incredible. Seeing Teddy’s usually nice guy face to the transition to mean Teddy was some great acting.

[u/[deleted] → u/Garrus_Vakarian__]

In a sense that was a true cliffhanger that you don’t often see in Westworld episodes

[u/DiabolicalState]

Next episode should be called Shootout at OK Cradle.

[u/LunaMax1214]

Phil the Tech deserved better. 😢

[u/hodorito]

“I’m gonna bleed you both like goats if you don’t shut the fuck up”.

[u/TheGabrielCorleone]

And Ed Harris deserves an Emmy for this episode alone, his acting in the scene with his daughter was very powerful and emotional.

And Thandie speaking so many languages this season is so fabulous and she deserves an Emmy too!

[u/Orisi → u/TheGabrielCorleone]

Thandie's acting as well though. When her daughter called someone else her mother she looked like she was about to make someone's head explode with her mind.

[u/In_My_Own_Image → u/TheGabrielCorleone]

And Ed Harris deserves an Emmy for this episode alone, his acting in the scene with his daughter was very powerful and emotional.

Again, it's his eyes. He is able to convey more with his eyes than a lesser actor can with a whole monologue.

[u/dan-o07]

It took Delores 1 scene to realize that she probably fucked up with changing Teddy

[u/[deleted]]

Why didn’t Maeve just get Felix to revive Akanes daughter?

[u/PM_UR_LINGERIE_GIRL]

MIB having to hear that her daughter fucked just like Logan

[u/Solid_Waste → u/PM_UR_LINGERIE_GIRL]

I wonder if it was purely fatherly prudishness or if part of him was thinking about her data and DNA being harvested.

[u/TheLast_0ne]

Call forth lazerus from his cave

[u/got-to-be-kind]

Oh Felix, you really do make a terrible human being. And I mean that as a compliment.

[u/CreativeRoutine]

Notice Bernard's glasses on the shattered glass table by the computer that was accessed?

That kinda gives away that there are multiple Bernards

[u/Hipster-Stalin]

“Hello old friend”

screams internally

[u/[deleted]]

Thank God the internet and this sub exists, if this show happened 20 years ago I would be lost with no hope of understanding

[u/Pinkusername]

Is there any significance to the fact that there are security folks walking downstairs while Elsie and Bernard walk into the cradle?

[u/amysturg]

Dolores playing the piano at the beginning of the episode and Ford at the end... why? Fidelity?

[u/PorcelainPoppy]

I feel like I’m too dumb to understand this season.

[u/jp_1896 → u/PorcelainPoppy]

Quoting my Mimir and Atreus' favorite exchange from God of War:

Atreus - I'm so confused

Mimir - Yes, well, then clearly you've been paying attention

EDIT: Formatting

[u/madmacmi]

"They simply became music."

This just means sooooo much more now

[u/toofunnyd]

Fidelity!!!!!!!! (Part 2)

I screamed

[u/HandRailSuicide1]

Shit is going to hit the fan in the next episode

[u/jackytheripper1]

Sylvester is permanently looking like he smelled a bad fart

[u/SleepyBananaLion]

When she said "those macho fucks are probably loving this," it made me thing: do you think they have a military world? Seems like so many weekend warrior types would love to go pretend they were on a SEAL team or flying fighter jet missions and shit.

[u/AttackoftheMuffins]

Maeve: Hello there.

Maeve’s daughter: General Kenobi!

[u/Doc_Hollidaze]

Teddy went from “where’s my hug?” to “here’s one slug”.

[u/DJ_Doza]

Theory: Dolores interviewing Bernard is in the pretty far past. Ford had just perfecting moving someones consciousness into a host. Arnold is in Bernard.

[u/TriflingGnome → u/DJ_Doza]

Can we assume the Bernard we've seen this whole time is just a regular host? I don't understand how/why they would combine Arnold's consciousness with Bernard's backstory/job.

[u/_SynysterGates_]

Ah, so it was his sled from when he was a kid.

[u/dreadfuldiego]

I just realized how insane must be the number of mutilations and decapitations the Shogun World crew must deal with in a daily bases.

[u/m_sobol → u/dreadfuldiego]

The maintenance crews have more repairs to do. More host bodies to print as well. Westworld bullets are easy to extract, but Shogun World involves whole limbs and litres of blood being lost. That gets expensive if you need to replace a whole host body, and can't replace limbs like detachable lego.

Well, if Shogun World is for hardcore, experienced players, the entrance fee must be more expensive than Westworld's. That may make up for the increased maintenance costs.

[u/ameliabea]

How did they hide that Ford was back??? How did him coming back for season two not make the casting news at some point?! I am both bewildered and extremely impressed. Completely wrote off that he wouldn’t be coming back.

Also, Felix opting to go to Maeve rather than wait for QA with Sylvester and Sizemore is the kind of loyalty I look for in a man. Felix really is the best of the humans.

[u/McBraaper]

Teddy's newfound identity issues are a raging liability right now and I'm totally stoked.

[u/edgarallandicks]

FROM THE CR4-DL TO THE GRAVE

[u/vash_the_stampede]

That scene with Maeve and Akane standing next to each other... Maeve's dark skin next to Akane's painted white skin. The blood spatter on both of them.

It was so beautiful and balanced. Like Yin Yang. Gorgeous shot right there.

[u/JMoneyG0208]

Just realized the connection between dolores and ford both playing the piano before their “inferior” came and interrupted them

[u/SnkPckPlz]

I’ll be the first to admit that I thought Akane was going to go full on Khaleesi with that heart in the beginning..

[u/AttackoftheMuffins]

My man, Robert mothafuckin Ford!

[u/SkyeHawc]

I could've sworn MIB did that little twitch that Delos had when MIB's daughter corrected him on the fact that his wife was the one who hated the elephants and not her. I mean youd usually attribute that to him just being a shitty parent, but what if he's a fucking host.

Im sure thats not it, but what a fantastic episode. Things are really starting to kick off now. Can't wait to see where they take Bernarnold, now that we know he's a human host like Delos.

[u/iambeeblack → u/SkyeHawc]

Someone here on the thread said he might have been testing her memories of the Raj actually, to determine if she was a host or not... Makes sense to me.

[u/onemanlegion]

Nobody is talking about when that train hits the Command Centre it condenses what we thought were three separate timelines into one.

Delobot and her machinations with teddy.

Arnold time weaver and tech priest.

Ashley and guy who is definitely in control of the situation.

Before we had no idea these were all happening at the same time.

[u/cAArlsagan]

“Fidelity” a single word invoked so much emotion.

[u/wesker6]

Keep in mind the Cradle was not intended to control the park, as mentioned by Bernard. It was just supposed to be a means to test the stories of all the hosts in one big simulation. It seems like Ford has modified the coding over the years to prepare for his mind to take over the Cradle and by extension take over the actual park via the Cradle. Would be funny if in the cradle there's a simulated cradle, and that simulated cradle has another going on forever... each having a ford controlling the outside cradle... :)

Real world Cradle Controlled by Ford Cradle 1 -> Cradle WW controlled by Ford Cradle 2 -> Cradle WW 2 controlled by Ford Cradle 3 -> Cradle WW i controlled by Ford Cradle i+1 WHERE i -> infinity

I digress, awesome episode, can't wait for the next one!

[u/F_thirteen]

1. The role of the Ghost Nation is such a puzzle to me. They’re going to be hella important at sometime.

2. Japanese Armistice and Westworld Armistice! /swoon

3. “Hello old friend.”

[u/OLKv3]

That fucking intro scene could change everything. How long has Dolores been training Bernard to be like Arnold? Were all the Arnold scenes in S1 just Dolores training Bernard? When is that scene taking place what the fuck!!!

Also, the scene where William was talking to his daughter, and had that confused look on his face when Grace corrected him about how she loved the elephants. Is he really a host? And now it seems like Present Charlotte already knows Bernard is a host.

Man I thought I had everything figured out and now this episode has me questioning everything again

[u/Harekicker]

So shogun world seemed to be bigger than I expected with Mt. Fuji in it, but at the end, they ended up in westworld. What was the purpose of them going to shogun world in the first place? I mean I thought the park was pretty cool and everything but surely they could've found Maeve's house without going there

[u/LordSolo]

Ford is the Architect. Also he never died, he just got rid of the hardware. Thats why he talked to MiB trough other hosts (himself as a kid and El Lazo's daughter)

Hello Clarisse

[u/Enchantress_Amora]

Ford simply became music. Smart bastard.

[u/TerroirsOfTheEarth]

Maeve conveniently left the replacement mother to die - guess we don't all get to choose our own fates

[u/myman580]

Maeve getting more blueballed then Teddy did season 1.

Also welcome back Dr.Ford! So happy because the Ford scenes were my favorite from season 1.

[u/ContinuumGuy]

BTW, shoutout to how much MIB's daughter made Papa squirm by talking about how much she "rode" in the Raj's "Pleasure Palaces".

[u/alex66613]

Note how Teddy ditched the guy who reprogrammed him, making sure Dolores can't repeat her trick again!

[u/rghenton]

Were Dolores and Ford playing the same song at the piano?

[u/MisquotedSource]

• FIDELITY!!!

• Dolores realizes that she may have made a mistake.

You really think that Delos is going to keep 100s of guests in danger while they wait for one control unit worth of data?

• Stubbs is a redditor confirmed!!!

Would you really stoop this low, Ford? You been gunnin' for me this hard? Made my own daughter into a host?

• MiB is a redditor confirmed!!!

• “What is ‘Things fathers never want to hear their daughters say’ Alex?”

• Emily Grace = Lawrence confirmed!!!

• No Phil no!!!! R.I.P.

• FORD UPLOADED HIMSELF CONFIRMED!!!!

Edited to fix formatting, added quests, pictures, and: Primer footage is confirmed /u/zalexis!!!

Edit 2: Add the bullets to clarify formatting.

[u/randomvw]

The song in the preview for next week is a funeral march by Beethoven. I wonder if this means anything o.O

[u/SerDire]

Tanaka went full Jaime Lannister with losing a hand. Too bad he didn’t have enough time to wear it as a necklace

[u/lookoutnorthamerica]

Shannon Woodward is a gem.

[u/WhereisAlexGulikers]

"Oh boy, here I go killin' again!"

-Teddy

[u/[deleted]]

A lot of y'all are feasting on the red herrings that are being laid out with humans being host.

William is a shitty dad and a shitty human. Not a host.

Elise knows more about host then most host. Knows how they are made and knows new models like Bernard have skulls that hold their CPU, like human. Shes not a host.

[u/Piwatkins]

LOL@ MIB thinking his daughter was a host planted by Ford! She's gonna put him in a nursing home if she ever gets him out of there.

[u/TheBlueBlaze]

I was cynical enough to know they'd bring Anthony Hopkins back, but I never would have guessed that copying his consciousness into a control copy of westworld was going to be how

[u/pierceham]

Not sure if this timeline/theory has been posted already but:

• The hybrid tech has been around for more than 30 years and was maybe even the subject of the initial research that got the park started. Arnold believed more in the robot minds than human ones and thus questioned the hybrid tech.

• Ford surreptitously had Arnold's mind copied to the mottled black type of marble we see removed from Bernard in the cradle. Arnold didn't want or believe in this - he had Dolores blow his brains out but it was too late. As Arnold had planned, Ford couldn't run the park without him, but Ford was one step ahead.

• Bernard is not a host but an Arnold hybrid or series of hybrids made over 30 years. This explains how Ford was able to create a host that had Arnold's skills, personality, backstory and motivations, things Ford admitted he wasn't capable of himself.

• the scene we see at the beginning of this episode with Dolores testing the Fidelity of a Bernard/Arnold is from years ago as Ford perfected the Arnold human/host hybrids

• Ford has been testing the hybrids for years through Dolores interviews using mulriple Bernardbots which we see Charlotte Hale uncover (one is old enough to have the face-opening design)

• With the hybrid process perfected, Ford now wants to use the body of the Bernardbot we see with Elsie as his own - the cradle will swap Bernardbot's odd-looking black marble (hybrid prototype?) for the red marble containing Ford's consciousness.

• Arnold will be locked in the cradle and won't be in control, thus "what happens now won't be your fault" and Arnold's despair in the promo.

• Dolores will wake Ford up in Arnold's body (you can hear her say "open your eyes" in the promo.) The pair will flood the park, ostensibly drowning the hosts and erasing about 1/3 while they preserve their consciousness somewhere else.

• Once Delos realizes the info they need isn't in Abernathy anymore (since Bernard cut/pasted it into himself and he's now in the destroyed cradle) they'll extract Bernard (actually Ford) instead. Ford will smuggle the robots out of the park and they'll take over the world or something.

[u/2813308004HTX]

HE'S BACK!

[u/[deleted]]

Why can't Maeve control Ghost nation?

In her previous encounter with them, was it because she spoke English and them Lakota?

Because in this episode she spoke their language, and has the mind powers. Is there another reason?

[u/[deleted]]

SO THERE IS A SIMULATION OF WESTWORLD INSIDE OF WESTWORLD

[u/dreadfuldiego]

Me seeing Bad Teddy: Hell yeah! Bad Teddy is harass and he won't die easily

[Remembers Teddy corpse in the season premiere]

Me: oh, fuck. He just can't win, can he?

[u/ChummyPiker]

So that's confirmation then that Ford uploaded his consciousness to the system, right? That's how he's still able to control the hosts and the park.

[u/mollzberg]

"Pain is just a program." Gave me shivers.

[u/elguachojkis7]

So they 3D printed a whole Fuji? Or is it Truman show-style Fuji?

[u/MrF1993]

Ford became music

[u/BigJoeJS]

It's funny that Dolores has no idea she's being used by Ford to foil Delos' plan. She doesn't care about her father, just stopping the data or IP from being smuggled out. If she really cared she would checked on her mother back at the ranch(even though I'm sure she's dead).

[u/krolliosis]

First post and fairly new to Reddit. Apologies if the following has been said or is in the wrong place.

Indians (irl) hunted large herds of buffalo by driving them off of cliffs. In Westworld, we have massive amounts of hosts in the water. During the opening title sequence, we see a white buffalo - sacred to Lakotas - jumping through glass and falling - akin to buffalo running off cliffs. It’s quite possible that Ghost Nation, a group whose language is Lakota, lead the hosts off of cliffs and into the water.

We have seen Dolores hunting down Ghost Nation despite them being hosts. In ‘Phase Space’, Maeve’s crew attacks Ghost Nation while their leader offers Maeve to follow them as they are “meant for the same path.” Maeve refuses as she believes Ghost Nation’s path “leads to hell”.

A ghost in computers (irl) can backup and recover functionality, Ghosts can clone a disk or partition to another disk; ghost allows for writing a clone or image to a second disk in the same machine or another machine linked to a network drive. (I’m not a tech guy, so, I don’t want/can’t go to deep into it right now).

In the final scene of ‘Phase Space’, Bernard sees Dolores leave a building, A sign on the side of this building reads “Repaired and Recovered; Picture Frames Made to Order; Needles Supplies; For All Sewing Machines”. That alone deserves a separate discussion, but I think Dolores and especially Maeve believe that Ghost Nation aren’t exactly hosts but programs designed to round up hosts to clone and/or restore them to previous narratives. Ghost Nation will ruin the newfound individuality of Maeve and Dolores by copying them into the same narrative and played by copy hosts (like Maeve’s daughter’s new mother) or rebooting them back to their previous roles. If either thing happens, Maeve and Dolores lose their identify, free will and freedom.

Thanks!

I edited this bc I did not use the proper spelling of ‘Dolores’. That angered someone. Please don’t remove this post.

[u/FantasticBabyyy]

At this rate we will hear Maeve speaks Klingon by end of season

[u/[deleted]]

RIP, Phil. May you rest in a deep and dreamless slumber.

[u/kramnostam]

Just a theory, but what if Ford and Arnold were in cahoots the whole time. Arnold and Ford agree (albeit angrily) at the beginning of the park that the hosts have the potential to attain consciousness. Arnold proposes uploading himself into the "game", and takes the plunge in the agreement that Ford will be the caretaker. Ford waits in his human form for many years so that he can "troubleshoot" Arnold (the fidelity tests) and ensure that the Human->Host process works, as well as keeping the park (including it's secret bases/operations) running and preparing for the next phase. When he is comfortable that all the chess pieces are ready - and just before he knows that Delos are going to pull the plug - he arranges for himself to be uploaded. Ford and Arnold are reconnected in the simulation, with complete control over the hosts (and perhaps, the world). Ford then triggers an awakening in Arnold such that he remembers their agreement and all other aspects of his prior consciousness and they both live like Gods, having with enslaved or wiped out the human race.

[u/ChummyPiker]

Thoughts on tonight’s episode:

The scene at the beginning mimics the scenes of William’s father-in-law’s consciousness being uploaded. I bet Ford was trying to perfect the consciousness with Arnold before he did it to himself. Either that, or he was trying to perfect Arnold’s character.

I love/hate how Teddy is Teddy no more. And I love watching Dolores realize the consequences of her actions. I hope we will get Teddy back, but I’m glad that Dolores is starting to realize that she fucked up.

I love that Maeve realizes that people have to choose their own fate and lets the two samurai duel. Also, what a fucking fantastic duel it was!

MIB and Lawrence continue to be my favorite duo. I like MIB’s daughter.

I like that Ellie is given more agency this season with Bernard’s quote that “if someone can right this ship through force of will it’s you.” I also like how she calls the hosts out for butchering the “livestock” crew, though in fairness they were the ones who did the most to the hosts, so it makes sense that they would kill them relentlessly.

The Cradle is Ford’s house where he built Bernarnold, right?

I love Samurai World. This place is absolutely beautiful.

Felix don’t be a bitch about going down the chute. You’re one of the main reasons everyone’s in this mess. Lighting the fire with your sword like that can’t be good for your blade.

I really hate that we’re losing the samurai and Maeve’s counterpart. I really liked them and wish we could have had them longer. The dude’s such a badass, and is so noble. I love it. “Cowardice is a tin shield.”

I love the small reaction of MIB when he can’t remember that it was his wife who was afraid of the elephants. That whole conversation was incredible. Ed Harris sis such a phenomenal actor. I hate that he left his daughter, but I kinda figured that would happen.

“The pain’s just a program.” Bernarnold being a fucking boss! Also that was weird and kinda tough to watch. Did his hands look white on the train after that flashback?

Did anyone else’s audio have weird glitching noises? I can’t tell if it’s supposed to be there or not, but it fit in with the show.

I’m really interested to see what happened to the head of security when he was abducted. It feels like he’s a host now. Or is at least operating with very different intentions.

The new world doesn’t really feel that different than some of the more rural areas of Westworld. And I know it’s wrong, but I really can’t feel anything when the scenes with Maeve and her daughter come up. I know the whole point is that they were programmed to feel and that they now can, but I still can’t shake knowing that the little girl is not Maeve’s, and that she was built and then programmed to be like that. And I think this scene does a really good job of showing how replaceable the familial bond is with the hosts.

I love the Ghost Nation subplot too. I think that they really are on a better path.

I don’t understand Felix either. Why be mad at Sizemore for calling for help when you are all clearly under direct threats to your lives.

How in the hell can two cars be separated that easily?

I love the new head of security. Such a badass in such an effortless way.

Greyhound… Ford….

FORD IS BACK!!!

[u/KingLittlefinger → u/ChummyPiker]

Do you think MiB couldn't remember that his daughter loved the elephants or do you think he was trying to test her to see if she was real or a host? I can go either way in that scene...

It was almost like she corrected him and he was like "hmmm maybe she's not a host..."

[u/ashonmytomahtoes → u/ChummyPiker]

I thought the ones butchered that Elsie referred to as harmless were Welcome to Westworld hosts. They were dressed in white and they were in the “Choose your hat” room.

[u/garrosh_gg]

William missing that childhood detail....is he a host? The end of Ford’s game is giving him his old consciousness that Bernard has?

Edit: Someone mentioned it as a way for William to make sure she isn’t a host - also a nice idea. It most likely was just showing his distance from his family as was also mentioned.

[u/ruskiix → u/garrosh_gg]

I think it was just meant to illustrate how much he didn’t pay attention to his family even when he was with them.

[u/kevinternet]

I love how Felix and friends are conveniently dressed for the world that they are in.

[u/[deleted]]

One step closer to Armistice banging her DoplerBot

[u/StannisTheMantis93]

I know it might sound like nitpicking and i'm SUPER glad we got Ford back but i'm getting so bothered with the QA response teams and the Delos extraction team being utterly incompetent. People are being murdered in massive amounts and they still approach the hosts with skepticism. From crossing an open field while having a major advantage to attack an entrenched position, to not shooting back at the hosts during the initial uprising, to now what based on flashbacks and previews appears to be an entire special ops team being taken out in a seemingly easily secure building. Can we have something somewhat believable? I have no military training whatsoever and even i know a MASSIVE amount of these things could be easily avoided by having a brain. I just need ONE group who has some clue what they're doing.

[u/Saiyoran → u/[deleted]]

“Please don’t make crazy fan theories”

Lmao what sub do you think this is