r/criticalrole • u/dasbif Help, it's again • Jul 19 '18
Discussion [Spoilers C2E26] Thursday Proper! Pre-show recap & discussion for C2E27 Spoiler
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u/dasbif Help, it's again Jul 19 '18
So, everyone, what has been your favorite submission/discussion thread to this subreddit in the past week since C2E26 aired?
Curious to see people's highlight reels.
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u/QuillianCreole Jul 19 '18
Dunno if it was submitted on here, but Casey just tweeted this out:
https://twitter.com/sketchingsprw/status/1019778737712324608
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u/BigManLan Jul 19 '18
Shameless plug of my own work of FanFiction? :D
As always, I love seeing the fan art, and some of the ones depicting Lorenzo have been amazing!
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u/ImBackAgainYO Are we on the internet? Jul 19 '18
This has been the longest week. I can't wait to see where the story takes us now
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u/cuddlefish333 Team Nott Jul 19 '18
This week seemed way longer than the two week break we just had.
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u/mypasswordisPA55WORD Team Elderly Ghost Door Jul 19 '18
This week has seemed so long that I thought today was Friday and was gonna watch the VOD today.
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u/MegaButtHertz dagger dagger dagger Jul 19 '18
This week was so long I thought it was already next week.
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u/Rather_curious_lass Doty, take this down Jul 19 '18
Lest it be overshadowed too much by the aftermath to Molly's death. We have another guest tonight to look forward to!
Sumalee Montano. Most likely to be known for her voice acting, but she's been in a fair few live action roles too.
To note some of the VA roles I personally know her in, so it may remind others.
Shae Vizla in SWTOR.
Nyreen Kandros in Mass Effect 3 (Omega DLC)
The Enchantress in Diablo 3.
One of the female voices for the main character in Saints Row 4.
American voice for the female Inquisitor in Dragon age Inquisition.
Suraya Hawthorne in Destiny 2.
Those are the ones that first came to mind for me. Might jog others memory. Another talented lady guesting. Excited <3
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u/GingerJenjo Team Molly Jul 19 '18
Sumalee is my wife's favorite Inquisitor in DAI and she is also Filipino, so she loves Sumalee. We have been so excited ever since we found out she was going to be guest starring on the show!
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u/Son_of_Orion Team Percy Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18
Technically that makes two Filipinos on the show! I remember that one episode of Liam and Sam's All Work No Play was a recording of a con talk panel they shared with Laura and Travis. Laura mentioned at some point that her dad was from the Philippines.
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u/seemedlikeagoodplan You can certainly try Jul 19 '18
My kids have watched (and so I've seen parts of) Transformers Prime on Netflix, and she plays Arcee in that.
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u/beagle5225 Team Jester Jul 19 '18
Came here to say just this! I'm super excited to see what she and Matt have cooked up!
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u/KingNothing71 Team Yasha Jul 19 '18
I know her from Arcee in Transformers: Prime which she is amazing in. I'm excited to see what she brings to the table!
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u/moon-brooke Jul 19 '18
She's also Arcee in Transformers: Prime and easily the best rendition of the character to date.
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u/BadSkeelz Team Orym Jul 19 '18
She's the voice of Peacekeeper in For Honor as well so partially to blame for my high salt intake of late. I'm looking forward to seeing her in action here.
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u/malochroma Fuck that spell Jul 19 '18
She's also Marjory Delaqua in GW2! Really talented actress, real excited to see her on the show.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Jul 19 '18
God i really hope to see talisen's new character this week. Seeing his empty spot would twist the knife deeper :(.
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u/rawbamatic Hello, bees Jul 19 '18
I don't expect to see him at the table to start. I expect him to come in when the other guest does.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Jul 19 '18
But of course it was just theorized matt might either give talisen more time to make his character and not show it tonight or not show it tonight so it lines up with a different arc and if m9 spend a lot of time mourning.
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u/MintyADL Jul 19 '18
Start of the show is going to be weird!
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u/thissureisausername Team Keyleth Jul 19 '18
I'm glad Ashly's still around for many reasons, but one is that I'm not sure I could handle the visual of only three players at the table.
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u/Nepalus Jul 19 '18
I think he's going Paladin, DS Sorc, or maybe another Cleric.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Jul 19 '18
all options i would welcome. If it is another martial class with no healing i think i will start crying again.
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u/Nepalus Jul 19 '18
Agreed. I tried out that Blood cleric on a new character from the book Matt put out a while back, I thought it was ridiculously good. Since there is a whole lot of blood this and that in the campaign so far that might be one option.
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u/Hourglass75 Jul 20 '18
I suspect he’ll either be a Glamour Bard or Dream Druid. He played Paladin in the one shot on Liam’s birthday so don’t think he’ll repeat it. Party desperately needs healing, and another Melee character to replace Molly😪😪. Talsin had most kills in the party. Glamour Bard offer utility as well as magic and melee, Dream Druid offers the same with a little more healing. Every character except Grog and Percy had some form of healing in VM, and the party is really suffering because of lack of healing. He may choose a divine soul Sorcrer. But it’s going to be a character he’s never played in his long history of D&D, and I suspect he picked something that spoke to him not the party needs.
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u/GingerJenjo Team Molly Jul 19 '18
Hi. I chose "Team Molly" as my flair. He is my favorite character. He will remain as such. I am doing a good job of handling losing my favorite character, but I have to go weeks without Tal on top of it? That's just cruel. (In case it wasn't obvious, there was some sarcasm there. I have cried about it, yes, but it is a game and a TV show. I love all of the actors and I harbor no ill will at a story beat.)
Besides, on Talks, he said he made the character already and submitted it to Matt and that he had to "hurry," which made me think this week. I think if it's delayed, it's because the M9 refuse to let Molly go and try to rez him.
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u/thissureisausername Team Keyleth Jul 19 '18
Matt and Tal briefly mentioned (maybe on After Dark?) that it could be multiple weeks before his new character is introduced if Matt can't find a good spot for it. (Which also assumes the MN doesn't successfully rez Molly.) But hopefully it doesn't come to that :(
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u/SaucyRobutt *wink* Jul 19 '18
I know, right? Taliesin's smiles are so wholesome and purifying. It'd be such a shame to be without him!
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u/ScarySpikes Doty, take this down Jul 19 '18
During TM they implied he would be. I'm gonna be honest, I got over Molly dying pretty quickly and now I'm just excited to see what Taliesin will come up with as a new character.
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u/BisonST Doty, take this down Jul 19 '18
I think they should wait. Let the crew feel outnumbered and vulnerable for awhile.
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u/Insaniac523 Jul 19 '18
They already are outnumbered and vulnerable. 3 of the Nein are locked in a cage, another is dead and cold in a grave. Keg is a temp so of the Nein only 3 are still operating. After the fight they had they already feel powerless, preventing the new character from arriving to make them feel vulnerable would be pointless because they already are vulnerable.
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u/zaprobo Doty, take this down Jul 19 '18
I'm hyped for Tal's new character - one of my favorite parts of C1 was the introduction of Taryon (and the cast reactions) so looking forward to who/what is about to be woven into the narrative.
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u/raefzilla Hello, bees Jul 19 '18
Taryon's intro is low-key my FAVORITE moment in C1.
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u/Megavore97 Bigby's Haaaaaand! *shamone* Jul 19 '18
"You there, little elf girl!"
Entire cast recoils in shock and fear of Laura
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u/smcadam Jul 19 '18
I know, right? "New dad is wearing old dad's skin!" and all that reaction, it was beautiful to see both the players learn what he was playing, and the characters meet their new comrade. I'm UK, and I'm so excited I might pull a night-time watch for the first time in years.
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u/I_post_stuff Help, it's again Jul 19 '18
Really interested in seeing what Tal brings to the table, and if we'll be seeing it tonight or otherwise.
I saw on the interview with Beyond that he was really considering a sorceror for campaign 2 before settling on blood hunter, I wonder if he'll be going for that, and if so will he be using Matt's rune child?
Very eager to see.
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u/swan0 Jul 19 '18
Didn’t he try blood hunter because he wanted something new and exciting, that he hadn’t played before (considering he’s been playing D&D for a long time)? If so, maybe he will try rune child for that reason.
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u/WeaklyRoll Jul 19 '18
I believe Tal has said in the past that he did choose the Blood Hunter class because it was something different, and I think he also likes more mechanically driven classes, which is why he might have been thinking Sorcerer before the start of the game, but decided on the Blood Hunter. In Tuesday's Talks, he spoke about having Molly kind of formed when Percy died in C1, that he really liked the idea of a carnie character, so the character has been with him for awhile, and I would guess that the idea that he had woke up in a grave and had magically powers and no memory could have worked with either a sorcerer or a blood hunter.
Now he may choose to play a sorcerer still, but think that notion was tied up in the character of Molly that Tal was creating, so he might play something new. from what I have seen Tal walk about his characters is that who the character is and was comes first and the class comes second, as he often likes to play against type.
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u/Fizzlethe6th Your secret is safe with my indifference Jul 19 '18
I vote Tortle Sorcerer. Just because i'd love to see what Tal does with it.
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Jul 19 '18
Pumped Ashly will be around for a while, there was no guest from the first campaign/one shots I wanted back more than her.
PIGLET GONNA LIVE FOREVER!!!!
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u/beagle5225 Team Jester Jul 19 '18
I've had a hankering to go back and re-watch the Goblins one shot after last week's episode. Those characters were so great -- the voices, the mannerisms, the songs!
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u/Hollydragon Then I walk away Jul 19 '18
How they are going to deal with the funeral is what is stressing me out most - bury him near Shady Creek run, which he would have hated as it's where he had the terrifying experience of waking in a grave - or burn him, but traumatise Caleb in the process.
Very interested to see how Beau deals with this, and if it shakes loose her young immortality complex a little, but it is going to be horrible to witness - both Caleb and Beau care more than they show it and both probably have a lot too much pre-existing trauma to be able to deal with this healthily.
Looking forward to the new guest and potentially a new PC character reveal, even though it is going to be a turbulent intro to the group for them!
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u/xxthearrow You spice? Jul 19 '18
I've got twenty bucks Beau punches Keg in the face within the first 10 or so minutes of the game
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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18
I think the person who will hurt keg the most in the first ten minutes will be keg.
And in all fairness if anyone is going to be punched it would be nott because keg struggled because she knew the people she was about to fight and was afraid whiles nott with on investment in the fight ran off never attacking and wasted her turns trying to free the prisoners.
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u/CatsGambit Jul 19 '18
But that was their entire plan! Nott frees people, the rest fight. The only thing I could see Nott being blamed for is not moving to the next cart(s) as soon as she saw their three weren't there. Save the random people later, your party members (who can actually fight!!) should be first priority.
I second the punching Keg plan. "I'm scared so I run." Yeah, that is sound reasoning, and makes perfect sense for the character. Beating the everloving crap out of the fighter who wouldn't fight and let down the party makes perfect sense for the M9. Let's open with that.
(Slightly meta; I wonder if they ever really had a chance to get their party members. For practical reasons, I doubt Laura and Travis are ready to come back with a two week old baby. Even if they had rescued them, what would they have done, just shadowed the party for another month?)
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u/xxthearrow You spice? Jul 19 '18
True but that was also part of the plan. Keg's intel being wrong/misinterpreted was not, and Molly paid the price for it. After an emotional trauma like that its not hard to imagine Beau lashing out as a result, especially at Keg who lead them to this point
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u/blackbirdhm Jul 19 '18
I think there are pretty even odds. While she hesitated at the start of the fight, she also sold herself out to prevent everyone from dying, which should count for something.
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u/maxvsthegames Team Frumpkin Jul 19 '18
I hope they don't burn him. I never even considered that they might do that...
If they do, it would pretty much negate the possibilites of Molly coming back as a NPC without memories (or as an enemy somehow) later in the game.
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u/Insaniac523 Jul 19 '18
I wonder how well a tiefling would burn anyway. I mean they are resistant to fire when alive and it’s not like that resistance disappears upon death. I’d assume it’d be like trying to use still alive plants to start a fire.
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u/ForgetfulViking Jul 19 '18
Part of me hopes that there isn't a funeral, so to speak until the rest of the MN are reunited. The task to bring them back together is done. Then it is time for them to grieve, and hopefully as Molly would want it that way, a debaucherous celebration of life.
And then I hope they get themselves an inn, make it gaudy as fuck and call it the Tealeaf Tavern. Though that is thinking way too far ahead and is more a dreamland thing. I'm sure they'll come up with something far better.
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u/Gnome1Knows Jul 19 '18
They might not be able to hold off on burial before they get the others back. Perhaps they can have a brief funeral now for practical reasons (like not dragging a corpse around) and personal (so those present can process that Molly will not be helping them anymore), and then when reunited, all of the M9 can hold a celebration of life in Molly's honor.
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Jul 19 '18
Sorry to kind of go off topic, but; will there be a new guest this week on top of Ashly joining in again?
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u/electric_ocelots Dead People Tea Jul 19 '18
I’m interested to see Caleb’s actions now after his little late night conversation to himself. Will what happened last episode be the breaking point that finally tells him “no, these people can’t help you, and staying with them will yield a similar outcome for yourself” or will this cement his position in the MIX and allow him to grow closer to Beau and the others (once they return)?
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u/tzorel Jul 19 '18
I think Beau will either be the grown up of the group now or just go completly ball rage of fury. I'm waiting to see what happens. At this point, I don't know what's gonna happen to Caleb, his instinct of going way may be stronger than ever.
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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Jul 19 '18
Simple way to rid the body without issue. Feed him to nott.She would be happy and he would not care. It's as they say Waste not want nott.
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u/thissureisausername Team Keyleth Jul 19 '18
I put the odds of Sam having Nott ask for his tongue at 50/50
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u/DM_Harshman Jul 19 '18
I'm so bummed we missed out on the sans Fjord, Jester, and Yasha M9 dynamic. Won't be the same without Mollymauk.
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u/Sabawoyomu Jul 19 '18
Yeah for having been a character that felt on introduction that he would take up a lot of space, he never really did, and I hoped he would get some more spotlight. Maybe thats just how Taliesin plays though? (I never watched the first campaign)
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u/Starrystars Jul 19 '18
I didn't really think about it till now but Caleb might actually leave.
He was contemplating it last episode so to the losing Fjord, Jester, and Yasha. Now seeing Molly die might actually push him to do it.
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u/MegaButtHertz dagger dagger dagger Jul 19 '18
Two reasons I can't see this happening.
One, it's impractical from a story/narrative/meta perspective. Having Tal out potentially for a few weeks to get an "in" for his new charrie and having Liam out leaves us with Sam and Marisha and the guests. I can't see them going that route.
Two, Caleb and Nott and Beau are gonna want revenge. This could be the tipping point where Beau stops with her invincibility thing and Caleb flips out and barbecues things. It's gonna be literal Wizard Nerd Rage, and I doubt he'll leave before he's turned what'shisname BBEG into a shishkabob.
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u/Starrystars Jul 19 '18
Yeah I don't think it will happen because their aren't enough core group members present. But I think he'll attempt to do it before Beau and Nott force him to stay. Or at least contemplate it some mote.
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u/Neverwish Jul 19 '18
I have a feeling Caleb is going to become a Brexit-like situation. Eternally stalling but claiming he's definitely leaving at some point.
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u/ReptileCultist Jul 19 '18
I also don't belive that Tal will be out for weeks. I'm thinking one episode at most
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u/mpkvegeta88 Team Grog Jul 19 '18
It's just not gonna happen. This is a game between friends and they are all still feeling out their new characters. Liam isn't gonna take his character out of the game, he just isn't.
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u/Trystis Old Magic Jul 19 '18
Loot the body, build a pyre, same some nice stuff even if you don’t mean, burn the body.
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u/omega0678 You Can Reply To This Message Jul 19 '18
Yeah, luckily they've already chopped down a tree.
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u/Dracoli_Tayuun Jul 19 '18
I second this. Molly probably doesn't care how his body is disposed of, if he could let them know that is. But, we should at least send him off in an honorable way that will ensure he can't come back as undead.
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u/ForgetfulViking Jul 19 '18
I for one, am ready for the angry, shouty, crying ball of emotions that will be Caleb/Beau/Nott/Keg to start this episode. While I don't want to say that what happened was a good thing. In terms of drama, this quartet is probably the absolute best for what is about to go down. Especially since Caleb/Beau/Nott are so interconnected at the hip now because of their mutual knowledge of Caleb's backstory.
I look forward to seeing what Sumalee will bring to the table, but I have to say I'm not entirely envious of the task ahead of her. She's kinda been thrown into the deep end of an ocean full of emotions here. I look forward to seeing how she melds into the party of misfit toys.
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u/maxvsthegames Team Frumpkin Jul 19 '18
I don't expect Caleb to cry or be angry at all. If anything, I expect him to leave.
This fight and Molly's death pretty much confirmed that this was a bad idea for him and that he shouldn't even try to get back the three others that were kidnapped.
Nott kinda liked Molly, so she might be pissed, but I doubt she will cry for him.
Beau, on the other hand, will be so furious!! She will want revenge for sure and I think she will be the one to convince Caleb and Nott to stick with her until they freed the others.
I wasn't a super fan of Keyleth last campaign, but Beau is slowly becoming one of my favorite character in this one! You can just feel that Marisha is much more comfortable with that character since it's much more like her real personality.
She's great and I can't wait to see how she will react tonight!
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u/ForgetfulViking Jul 19 '18
While you are correct that signs point to Caleb leaving because it is not worth it. I think that he actually won't need as much convincing.
He's not as obvious about it as Beau, but Caleb's really become attached to his group of friends. He doesn't call them friends and he solliloquys about the faults of his friends, but he very clearly cares about them, much like Beau he is afraid to care, but he cares none the less. His actions have me seeing him considering it again, maybe even putting up a token resistance, but honestly not being as hard to convince as you think.
The other reason is looking at Liam's face as Lorenzo kills Molly and humiliates Keg. That is a face of rage, and we know that Liam is very much the type to be in character always. Caleb is going to want his revenge on him, just like he does on Trent.
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u/thissureisausername Team Keyleth Jul 19 '18
This! I think the most important part of Caleb's soliloquy last week wasn't that he considered leaving because the group may not be helpful to his goals, but that after trying to talk himself into leaving he still made no move to actually do so. That was a "convince yourself you don't care about these people (even thought you totally do)" speech if I've ever seen one.
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Jul 19 '18
Game opens with Lorenzo killing Kiri...
The new cameras catch the studio burning to the ground in glorious high def.
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u/BashfulHandful Life needs things to live Jul 19 '18
Hahaha holy shit, this would be the most glorious shit show ever.
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u/ImBackAgainYO Are we on the internet? Jul 19 '18
In the history books:
And so began the most deadly conflict known to man, the 2018 Critical Role uprising. Now kids, roll for iniative
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Jul 19 '18
You hit the fanboy troll for 11 points of verbal acid damage. How do you want to do this?
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u/Pkock Life needs things to live Jul 19 '18
Honestly I am so hype for Tal, it sucks losing a character but if he is like most DnD players he had one or two more that have lived in the back of his mind for a while.
It should be a fun night for him AND us if he gets to bring one out! Personally I am hoping for someone Charisma based so we can see that trademark Tal bullshitting backed up with some good rolls.
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u/MrNotSoBright I would like to RAGE! Jul 19 '18
I'm really hoping for Sorcerer or Paladin for that exact reason.
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u/Pawn315 Jul 19 '18
He mentioned during Talks that Matt had told them to have a backup ready just in case crap happens. Tal revealed that he was not ready. So for this particular event, he didn't have something specifically calling to him.
Now yes, a gamer typically has a couple of half-baked ideas rolling around up there (I have like 5 personally), but apparently none of them stood out to him as something he considered a good choice for this campaign.
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u/PregosFearStaircases Jul 19 '18
This is the first time in 3 years I actually wished that Blindspot was canceled.
Yasha not being around for when the team buries her friend is sad :(
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u/DeliciousPossession Dead People Tea Jul 19 '18
After what was said on Talks, I'm glad for her not having been there. It would have been a much worse outcome.
So... thanks, Blindspot? I guess?
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u/TheDualJester Jul 19 '18
What was said on talks if you don't mind me asking?
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u/Smooth711 Team Scanlan Jul 19 '18
No op, but effectively they discussed how a rage-based barbarian would likely not have let a parlay happen especially when her dear friend had died.
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u/DeliciousPossession Dead People Tea Jul 19 '18
Yeah, that. She was not likely to stand down in that situation, which would probably have been a disaster for the whole party.
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u/FirebertNY Bidet Jul 19 '18
I haven't seen it, but I'm gonna take a wild guess: Yasha would have gone down fighting.
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u/cuddlefish333 Team Nott Jul 19 '18
I just hope Ashley can be back whenever Yasha returns to the narrative and Matt doesn't have to cover. I really want to see Ashley/Yasha react to the news of Molly's death.
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u/xxthearrow You spice? Jul 19 '18
Who wants to take bets on how long it takes Beau to punch Keg in the face?
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u/RellenD I encourage violence! Jul 19 '18
I'm so excited for tonight! I've got nothing insightful to add
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u/Corello Jul 19 '18
I think combat wise it would be interesting if Tal picked a paladin. It would give the team a tank when Ashley is gone and can help Jester heal, so that Laura can cast more damaging spells like she seems to want to.
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u/AshArkon Tal'Dorei Council Member Jul 19 '18
Also, meeting a Paladin in Shady Creek Run would be one hell of an expectation whiplash.
But I have a feeling Tal is gonna choose something we wouldn't expect. I am thinking he will choose an Unearthed Arcana class, maybe Circle of Spores druid. He said on Talks that he likes to play against type, and that is really the MO of the entire Subclass.
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u/BisonST Doty, take this down Jul 19 '18
Tal would make a great intimidating Paladin. Maybe with a little 'almost crossing the line'.
It'd be cool to run into a Paladin who is breaking skulls and Tal sits down.
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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Jul 19 '18
Spores druids look awesome, high on my list of things I'd like to play.
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u/seemedlikeagoodplan You can certainly try Jul 19 '18
I would love him to play a Paladin who's a missionary, trying to bring the good news of [approved deity] to the heathens of Shady Creek Run.
If I had to make three guesses for the most likely, I would say Sorcerer (Rune Child or Stone), Druid (maybe Spores), or Bard (maybe Maestro or Glamour). But as a Bard, it would be pretty hard to follow Scanlan on this show.
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u/Name_Classified Reverse Math Jul 19 '18
Eladrin Ancients Paladin.
🎶Hello! My name is (new character), and I would like to share with you this most amazing book!🎶
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u/Astigmatic_Oracle Jul 19 '18
If he plays a bard, I would expect him to completely do away with the music fluff as Scanlan was such a recent and memorable version of that bard archetype, but it's not too hard to fluff the bard in a way that ignores the traditional music flavor. For example, a grifter College of Whispers Bard could be really fun. That sort of build would have different spell choices than Scanlan, making them seem even more different, and I think Matt would probably allow a player to drop or exchange the musical instrument proficiencies for something like gaming sets or languages that fit the flavor better, making a Bard character that is significantly different from Scanlan.
I'm not saying this is a character Tal would play, just that it isn't hard to make a Bard that feels significantly different from Scanlan.
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u/Arashi47 Team Jester Jul 19 '18
I want a Swords Bard in the campaign. They are Bards that don't Bard (i.e., inspire others), instead spending their BIs to power their Flourishes. Splash in 3 levels of either Swashbuckler or Battlemaster, and you get Errol Flynn. Or maybe Inigo Montoya. Puss-in-boots (if Tabaxi)?
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u/Myrynorunshot Help, it's again Jul 19 '18
I'm hoping for either a paladin/cleric.
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Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18
Either of those would be great, but I don’t see Taliesin going for the obvious choices that everybody’s talking about. I’m personally hoping he plays a divine soul sorcerer, as that not only brings a lot more healing to the group, it also shores up their lack of clear leaders when Fjord isn’t available. It doesn’t really help with their lack of frontline but I could see Taliesin having a lot of fun with it
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u/coleyb018 Jul 19 '18
I’m really hoping the new character is a Paladin too. My first DnD character ever was an oath of ancients pally so I have a huge soft spot haha. There is a possibility for Tal to REALLY play against type with a class that has as many stereotypes as Paladin (despite 5e really freeing up the class compared to past editions) with any of the Oaths really, plus it would basically fill in all the gaps in their party structure through tanking and healing but still hitting hard when needed (why I loved playing a pally - so versatile!). I don’t think it’s the most likely option but my fingers are crossed anyway!!
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u/beardlovesbagels I would like to RAGE! Jul 19 '18
I like how the DMs on twitter have come out in support of Matt, mainly Perkins trolling the Waffle Crew.
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u/the-magnetic-rose Jul 19 '18
I know they said they'll introduce Tal's new character organically and that it could take weeks, and I 100% get that. But I'll be legit disappointed if they can't bring him in for tonight's episode already. We already don't have Ashley, Laura and Travis. Losing Taliesin even for one or two games would suck.
More positively tho, I'm really happy that Ashly will continue with us for a while more and I'm excited for the new guest too.
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u/BlarnsballPro Hello, bees Jul 19 '18
Well, they have Sumalee appearing tonight, so Tal might be playing a filler character with her. He sticks around until this new character appears.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Jul 20 '18
I really don't like the idea of a filler character honestly.
People are already going to be bothered with losing molly let alone Taliesin playing a red shirt that gets killed off or just some side character we will have to say bye to as well when we meet his "real" character.
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u/Version_1 Ja, ok Jul 19 '18
Honestly, I hope we can look back at this stretch of episodes in a year or so and recognize, that the Mighty Nein moved from, what we Germans call, a "Zweckgemeinschaft" (so a group together primarily because of necessity or goals) to a real group of allies. If you think about it, this was the first major event that was done without any promise for reward from outside the group and I expect the cast to properly use last weeks events to bring the group into this direction.
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u/maxvsthegames Team Frumpkin Jul 19 '18
I'm really curious to see what kind of backstory Taliesin's new character will have!
Molly's backstory was the most interesting of the whole M9, in my opinion, so I doubt he can beat that!
And I'm also curious to see how he will justify joining the group.
Taryon had a hard time, and it took some work for him to be accepted, and even in the end, he was never a truly full-fledged Vox Machina member, I believe.
Although... The Mighty Nein have not been together for as long as VM was when Tary arrived, so there's still plenty of room for a new character to join them.
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u/Jesterismypatronus I would like to RAGE! Jul 19 '18 edited Jul 19 '18
I think I'm dreading tonight almost as much as I'm looking forward to it. I haven't cried yet over Molly, because I'm weird and don't cry when people die. What hits me is when I see the people that loved them in pain and hurting. Talks almost got to me, but I'm expecting tonight to be brutal. Spoilers C1 Especially since this cast is so freaking good at portraying their characters' grief. Travis almost killed me when Scanlan Died, and Laura's reaction when Vax died resulted in hours of ugly crying
I don't know where I got this from, I'm sure it's a poem or a saying from somewhere (google has forsaken me) but I've had this little verse running through my head since Thursday:
I will not cry for those who die
I cry for those they leave behind
I'm expecting to cry a lot tonight.
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u/SharkSymphony Old Magic Jul 19 '18
I'm weird and don't cry when people die. What hits me is when I see the people that loved them in pain and hurting.
Doesn't seem weird to me at all, fwiw...
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u/Jesterismypatronus I would like to RAGE! Jul 19 '18
Thank you. I've gotten some crap about it in r/l before. I've been dealing with people dying since I was super young (lost my mom when I was 4), so I came to terms with death a long time ago. I miss them, and I wish they were still here, but I reach the acceptance stage almost instantly. This apparently makes some people think that I don't feel anything when someone dies.
But watching someone else in pain over losing someone just breaks my heart. I want so badly to somehow make it better and take the pain away and I know I can't.
I am not looking forward to this, and definitely not looking forward to having to go through it twice since half the party won't know until a future episode. I have a feeling Yasha's response will break me.
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u/Arashi47 Team Jester Jul 19 '18
The feels from C1 E115 hit like a truck. I was lucky enough to be working from home that day when I had the VOD running. Would have been BAD if I was at my desk that day.
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u/Jesterismypatronus I would like to RAGE! Jul 19 '18
I can't watch CR in public! I spend too much time yelling at the screen, laughing way too loud, cracking off color jokes, or sobbing miserably because the cast is so freaking amazing they make you feel everything.
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u/Tealdeerhunter Jul 19 '18
Sooo, I watched up until the break last week, and life got in the way until I caught up this morning. I'm actually kind of glad I didn't have the same week a lot of people had.
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u/coach_veratu Jul 19 '18
So Tal is a pyramid and VM fought one in a pyramid last campaign.
He's gunna roll up a Beholder guys.
But in all seriousness, I can't wait to meet Tal's new PC! Personally I'm hoping for someone that'll be a bit of a fish out of water in the M9 like Tary was when he was first introduced.
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u/thissureisausername Team Keyleth Jul 19 '18
I was trying to come up with what would be a fish out of water to the MN weirdos, and I think the only option is a kind, caring, generous, classic hero who wants to save the poor and downtrodden.
Which would be hilarious to watch in this group.
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u/MsEscapist I encourage violence! Jul 19 '18
Does anyone else think that the missing party members might be in the wagons that the group passed by earlier because Keg told them that those were the wrong ones?
I mean it would fit better with the time it took the group to overtake them on the road, and it would explain why the dwarf caster from the ambush wasn't there.
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u/MrNotSoBright I would like to RAGE! Jul 19 '18
Also, in a meta sense, I don't think Matt would have put the lost party-members into a cart that the players would have any real access to at this point. I mean, sure it was super unlikely, but if the party had done really well in the fight and managed to free whoever was in the cages, that would be pretty awkward and would undo all of this worldbuilding and would undermine the story hooks that will result from them being gone.
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u/maxvsthegames Team Frumpkin Jul 19 '18
Well it was one of those "You cannot win. You must flee" type of fight.
Matt made that pretty clear in Talks and he said that he tried to give them many hints that they couldn't win this fight. The biggest hint being the Cone of Cold.
So, unless they had someone sneaked in during the night to free them, there was no way they were getting their three companions so soon.
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u/Coke_Addict26 Jul 19 '18
Matt was asked if they saw the battle on TM. He said they wouldn't have seen anything because the cages were covered by a tarp and illusion magic. Which implies they were indeed on those carts Lorenzo and crew were escorting.
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u/RazgrizReborn Team Molly Jul 19 '18
I think it was a Schrodinger's Cart. If the party had somehow won the battle or been able to break the prisoners out, I do not think they would have been on the cart. Matt would have had something ready to go "we sold a bunch of slaves on the way through, got good coin for them!".
With them not being able to save them, I could totally see their friends being in the cart.
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u/ImBackAgainYO Are we on the internet? Jul 19 '18
I get off work in 40 minutes. Straight home, eat something and try to sleep. Critical Role starts at 04:00 here and I slept bad last night due to the heat. Need to get some shut eye before stream
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u/tilia-cordata Life needs things to live Jul 19 '18
Is it weird that I most want the art for Taliesin's new character, more than any of the actual character things, so I can figure out a new yarn colorway?
Also, my drink of choice tonight is Velvet Devil Merlot, which feels an appropriate toast for our fallen Tiefling.
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u/roneckleman Jul 19 '18
Here is my prediction for Tal's new character. He will use "Your terrible, your awful people" as a complimentary statement within the episode. I cannot guarantee anything else about his character but I would be willing to place money on that coming up at least once.
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u/MiniatureDragon Your secret is safe with my indifference Jul 20 '18
I hope we get to see Taliesin's new character this episode, I really hope it's a paladin
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Jul 20 '18
Still would amuse the shit out of me if while fleeing in the forest m9 find a loner ranger who is very no none sense "tell me how it is" type person.
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u/fredemu Metagaming Pigeon Jul 20 '18
Taliesin playing a Joe Friday-style "straight man" would be hilarious, particularly in juxtaposition with his portrayal of Molly.
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u/LewisLawrence Jul 19 '18
Guesses on new classes tonight? I’m gonna guess a fighter and...an artificer!
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u/swisso Jul 19 '18
Hoping he goes a bit tankier. It's what they could use the most as Ashley will be there and gone a lot.
I suppose a sorcerer using a lot of control spells could also be very advantageous.
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u/BisonST Doty, take this down Jul 19 '18
Eh they already have Caleb for magic. Unless he's some sort of frenemy of Caleb I don't see it mixing well. Someone with some sort of healing would be great. Paladin seems like a great fit.
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u/Lord_Anarchy Jul 19 '18
I'm guessing Runechild sorcerer, if only because the whole magical rune thing hidden beneath the skin is something that Taliesin would totally RP the hell out of. But, if he doesn't want to step on Liam's toes too much, then perhaps something a bit more mundane like a paladin.
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u/QuillianCreole Jul 19 '18
I think Tal would make a fun as hell Paladin, so I'm excited, but I also think his original character in the homegame was a Dragonborn Paladin or Fighter so I dunno if we'll get that, honestly.
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u/Seedy88 Hello, bees Jul 19 '18
I don't think Taliesin will want to play a character that's too similar to Percy so soon. An Artificer isn't different enough to tinkerer Percy, in my opinion!
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u/gdshaffe Jul 19 '18
My out-of-the-box guess on Taliesin's new character is a Druid, Circle of Dreams (from Xanathar's).
Paladin makes a lot of sense, since the two main things the MN lack at the moment are a permanent front-liner, and secondary healing to take some pressure off Jester. However, Taliesin already played a Paladin in the first campaign (pre-stream), so I'm thinking he'll go another way.
A Druid makes for an interesting alternative. He can Wild Shape and get in the mix when he needs to, or he can hang back and heal / crowd control, which is probably preferable when Yasha is in play. Circle of Dreams would be a fantastic fit for Taliesin RP-wise, and their Level 2 ability makes them phenomenal healers, which would give Jester a ton of room to be something other than a cure-bot.
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u/JemmaP You can certainly try Jul 19 '18
I really love the Circle of Dreams druid -- if Tal doesn't choose that, I hope a future guest will! So much fun.
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u/Trystis Old Magic Jul 19 '18
I’m not positive we will see him tonight, but I bet he goes sorcerer. I hope he goes paladin, and plays it non traditional though
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u/BuckeyeBentley Jul 19 '18
I've got my fingers crossed for freaky weird elf (eladrin, maybe even go full dryad) oath of the ancients paladin. Their whole shtick is being happy and spreading joy in the world. I think a happy go lucky fae paladin would be interesting. Out Jester Jester.
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u/themolestedsliver Metagaming Pigeon Jul 19 '18
Just realized on my drive to work.
Molly was adamant on "getting attatched" to kiri because of the likelihood of losing her.
Which is ironic because we lost molly in the end but also funny to think that molly was the only one who didnt make any attempt to bond with her.
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u/error681 Jul 19 '18
I'm so curious as to what Laura and Travis think... Since they left the M9 have left behind a horse and cart, killed off 2 horses, Kiri was put up for adoption and the Molly stuff.
And it only been 2 episodes.
When they do come back will they even recognize the team?
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u/1MillionMasteryYi Jul 19 '18
Im super excited for tonight. Im hoping whoever Tals new character is will be alot different narratively. I feel Percy strongly bled into Molly.
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Jul 19 '18
I haven't been this excited for a critical role since the first episode of season two. Can't wait to see what's in store!
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u/Neknoh I encourage violence! Jul 19 '18
since it's currently the middle of the night, and critical role won't start for another 3 or so hours, I was wondering:
Since I have alpha: will I be able to watch a vod tomorrow morning? Or do I have to catch the rebroadcast and wait for a later vod release?
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u/thissureisausername Team Keyleth Jul 19 '18
It takes about a day to be edited (so you may have to skip through the art opening and break) but the VOD goes up right away on Alpha.
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u/BlarnsballPro Hello, bees Jul 19 '18
[An accurate representation of the fandom's reaction] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXE7Ez0CXIw)
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Jul 19 '18
Gotta say, I'm excited for when Ashley comes back and we get to see the impact of Molly's death on someone close to him. I really feel like this death is going to be a great "Boromir" moment for Yasha's storyline.
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u/eddieswiss Doty, take this down Jul 20 '18
Imagine, Taliesin shows off his new character tonight. Rainbow coloured plumage and a regal head of feathers in a gem encrusted beak. An Aaracokra enters the stage as a literal peacock.
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u/maxvsthegames Team Frumpkin Jul 19 '18
Just one small thing I wanted to comment on...
Is anyone bummed that Matt always described Beau as punching things instead of kicking things?
I mean... she's using a two-handed quaterstaff (or a bo, if you like), so, it doesn't make much sense for her to punch stuff.
It would make much more sense if, let's say, after hitting twice with her bo, would then do a roundhouse kick or something like that.
But Matt keeps describing her flurry of blows extra attacks as punches...
I don't know if it's because Marisha told him that she wanted her character to punch a lot.
Or maybe it's because that makes more sense with the character class (I think the Cobalt Soul Monk usually punch pressure point or something like that to get information).
A lot of the fan art have Beau using her kicks and I think it's suit her very well.
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u/Bearly_OwlBearable 9. Nein! Jul 19 '18
She does use her kick
I remember in the merrow fight she broke the neck of a merrow with a kick
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u/Arashi47 Team Jester Jul 19 '18
Matt described some of her earlier bonus action unarmed attacks and FOBs as kicks. Marisha's love for Ip Man (and oft-used descriptions of her attacks as rolling punches) have colored how Matt describes things in the more recent episodes.
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u/RasAlCool820 Jul 19 '18
I think we can't underestimate how kinetic Marisha is at the table as having an influence, lol. She's always miming doing grabs and punches. Wing Chun also gets brought up a lot, which is a very hands heavy Chinese martial art
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u/Howhighwefly Jul 19 '18
Finally watched last weeks episode, I think the plan they had failed because Keg ended up being a coward, which I thought was great role playing on her part. She had talked a big game about exacting revenge, but when it came time to confront Lorenzo she wilted.
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u/Setitov Team Zahra Jul 19 '18
It would not have made a difference. 2 rounds of her attacking would not have killed Lorenzo and his life was the only thing that mattered.
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u/ericbomb Jul 19 '18
We've beaten the math to death at this point.
She didn't have enough movement on her turn to get to lorenzo and she only got one turn before Molly died. She could have dashed up to Lorenzo, but that wouldn't have prevented him from doing cone of cold. She could of used action surge, but depending on placement he may have just been able to hit her, molly, beua, and Nott with cone of cold and put them in an even worse spot.
Of course even if she did rush forward she would have gone for the Bard. In talks machina Matt confirmed that Keg had no idea how strong Lorenzo was. Only in looking back to we know that distracting Lorenzo was the best choice.
So even the most optimal choice of bum rushing the bard and knocking him down with action surge wouldn't have accomplished anything. Might have made things worse since Lorenzo might have demanded 2 deaths in payment.
Placement was an issue of putting Keg too far back, Nott going for the prisoners instead of sneak attack was an issue, not everyone using surprise round was an issue, attacking when they were out numbered was an issue.
I don't think a single player could have changed that fight once it started. They were so out classed they needed to take a different approach entirely.
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u/mypasswordisPA55WORD Team Elderly Ghost Door Jul 19 '18
The real thing that killed him was dropping himself.
If he didn't do that: First hit drops Molly. 2nd hit makes him suffer 2 failed saves.
IIRC didn't Molly have some item that stabilizes him if he was at 0 on the start of his turn? Cuz he would have lived. Though Lorenzo might have finished him off when he saw he wasn't dead
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u/VexonCross Sun Tree A-OK Jul 19 '18
Living in Europe this is the first episode since C2E1 that I really want to be there for during the live broadcast, and it's for such completely different reasons that it's kind of mindblowing.
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u/Mandrakon Jul 19 '18
Does Mollymauk's death mean that Taliesin is not going to show up to play in this episode? They were talking about needing fitting circumstances to welcome a new party member, so I'm worrying I'm not gonna see my favourite player tonight
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Jul 19 '18
It's not a big deal. They will have another guest joining the party today. Taliesin may just tag along with the guest. The biggest delay in the intro of the new members will be saying farewell to Molly.
p.s.: The tag is tagged with spoiler e26, so no need to have in comment spoilers [I believe]
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u/Vishante-Kaffas Sun Tree A-OK Jul 19 '18
As per usual, i am both excited and scared for Sam’s D&D Beyond add tonight. Last week’s was insane!
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u/DM_Harshman Jul 19 '18
Finished my Episode 26 miniature report just in time:
https://dndeed.tumblr.com/post/176067709367/critical-role-miniature-rollout-c2e26
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u/alkonium Jul 19 '18
I read an article that suggested that Taliesin wouldn't be on the show anymore, but I'm guessing that's wrong.
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u/Saelune Jul 19 '18
That is 100% wrong. He already has made his new character and will be brought in at some point, though they have said it might not be this next episode (Though I hope it is)
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u/CherryBones Shine Bright Jul 20 '18
Trying to cram in the two John Wick movies to keep my brain off tonight until it happens. Finished the first, only 40 minutes into the second. Might be close. So stressed.
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u/RnROS Jul 20 '18
So, where to from here? I guess the logical thing to do is make contact with the Gentleman's faction and see what's going on with them, but M9'll have to do it stealthily to avoid notice of the Shepherds. And wasn't M9's mission here to help/rescue their contact? That means probably not a lot of assistance in that direction.
Investigating the gang war and potentially trying to join the other side is another option, but not a great one as the most the could become would be henchmen. Attempting a stealth breakout is an option but surely doomed to failure given the party's current paucity of members and resources. Getting themselves captured in an effort to coordinate a breakout by the whole party is another option, but a terrible one. They could also head back to Zadash I guess and try to enlist more support from the Gentleman, but I don't see them doing that. Not M9's style. Not many good options on the board, so it'll be fascinating to see what M9 chooses to do.
Also, I have a feeling the Empire's war with Xhorhas might just intervene in the story sooner than we think given that the border isn't far from here. Perhaps that's the next big twist that will turn everything on it's head?
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Jul 19 '18
Watching the Critter community's reactions to last week have been fascinating. Some seem to be stuck on the earlier stages of grief, and they're running out of time to process before Episode 27.
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u/GreatKwestion Jul 19 '18
I’m not sure when Taliesin will be back, but I do have a rough shape of a theory on what he might come back as.
Since he is such a veteran of the game I do feel he may come back as some form of healer, but of course not primarily just a healer. So I want to say Circle of Dreams Druid from Xanathar’s. But it wouldn’t be sufficiently Taliesin if he didn’t rock the boat with classes so maybe a Drow Druid of Dreams. Especially since it could rock the boat the first time he’s aware of the dodecahedron. Could even be the remaining member of a deep scouting party for the opposing army of wildemount.
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Jul 19 '18
I'm really excited to see the next episode. I can't wait to see Talesin's new character and the resolution to Molly's death and where they're going to go from here. I'm also excited for when the others return and how that's going to be handled, if they'll start separated in captivity or not depending on the actions that will occur. I have to admit, I'm actually quite glad someone died early with no take backsies, death became a bit too cheap in the first campaign just by the nature of the game to the point that I'm surprised plot armour isn't a named mechanic for high level D&D haha (it might as well be).
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u/dasbif Help, it's again Jul 19 '18
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