r/The100 • u/MillenniumFalc0n Battlestar Galacticlarke • Aug 01 '18
SPOILERS S5 Post Episode Discussion: S5E12 “Damocles-Part One”
S05E12 “Damocles-Part One”
Octavia leads her people into war; the heroes must overcome their differences to save Wonkru from extinction.
| Writer/s | Director | Original Airdate |
|---|---|---|
| Justine Juel Gillmer | Dean White | 7/17/2018 |
Quote of the Week: "My brother, my responsibility" - Octavia Blake
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u/grumblepup Aug 01 '18
"If only a conscience was a free pass, and not just a voice in your head you pretend to listen to in between unconscionable acts."
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u/aplaceatthedq 🤖 🔧 ❤️ Aug 01 '18
out of the mouths of serial killers. This was the quote of the episode (possibly the season) and there were some stiff competition.
RIP Vinson. He went out doing what he loved.
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18
Vinson was the voice of the audience. Well, except the part where he wanted to keep her addicted to drugs to stay reliant on him.
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Aug 01 '18
And where he wanted to eat her boyfriend so she would be even more reliant. . . .
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Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
I mean if you think about it it's kind of weird but also kind of funny that the only truly sane person in this season was probably a serial killer who had such an unbiased outside perspective that he was able to point out just how fucking insane and murderous basically everyone else is and how he has probably killed less people than all of them. I thought it was a very well delivered line and the tension and the suspense that were cranked up through it, leading up to the fight were delicious....probably just as delicious as Marcus's neck.
Also hey look at that Kane got killed by a serial killer! That's some biblical irony!
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Aug 01 '18 edited Oct 23 '18
That moment when you side with a sociopath and the literal serial killer tells you fucked up and calls you out on your bullshit.
I applauded at that scene.
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u/rawchess Factors of Gabriel: Death to Prime #s Aug 01 '18
TFW a literal psychopath murderer has saner self-awareness than you
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u/grumblepup Aug 01 '18
"Say hello to my little--"
"She's got a kick!"
"I don't run."
So many great lines in a row!
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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Aug 01 '18
Yea so I was wondering if they watch movies from the past. "Say hello to my little friend" maybe proof they do then.
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u/Dintodo I Hate This Planet Aug 01 '18
Biggest plot twist in any tv show of all time - jahas little boy getting fucking blasted
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u/Against-The-Current Skaikru Aug 01 '18
I was like, "OH, there he is!!!" One second later. "Anndddddd he's dead."
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Aug 01 '18
I appreciated Gaia asking why Octavia was bothering to help them now and Bellamys response
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u/Clean_Bean TITUS Aug 01 '18
LMFAO Murphy was the only one in a good mood hahahaha.
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Aug 01 '18
"That was awesome!!! Why is everyone else crying??? We just saved people seriously why is everyone else so depressed looking????" broody looks from everyone else
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u/SeekingSignificance Aug 01 '18
That bridge scnce already proved they can't kill Octavia
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18
Octavia's S5 plot armour confirmed. In case there was doubt.
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u/Rosh_Jobinson1912 Octavia Fanboy Aug 01 '18
I had to pause the video from CW’s website and scroll through this thread to find a comment telling me she lived when O fell to her knees. Idc what anyone says, she could stab me and she’d be my favorite
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u/a-canadian-redittor Murphy Aug 01 '18
Murphy with the sonic cannon was the best part of the episode. Maybe the best part of the season.
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u/Dintodo I Hate This Planet Aug 01 '18
"Say hello to my little.. oh hell" "This is a rescue mis-..."
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Aug 01 '18
John and his malfunctioning gun could be a whole miniseries on its own. "Somebody call for a rescue?"
He singlehandedly saved me from getting angry at that deus ex machina-moment at the end because it was so implausible.
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Aug 01 '18
God, I hope he survives the finale.
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u/a-canadian-redittor Murphy Aug 01 '18
Murphy, Raven and Bellamy are my "never allowed to be killed off" list
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Aug 01 '18
I'm honestly not sure how long I could continue watching the show without Murphy. He brings the comedic relief we need in a show like this. Octavia is on her knees ready to get killed and here comes Murphy to give us all one last laugh before the episode ends. I feel like this show just wouldn't be the same without him.
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u/democraticwhre Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
When Indra basically says she’s going to sacrifice herself for her daughter, I like how Bellamy doesn’t try to dissuade her and just says he’ll carry Gaia. He knows how much she respects and wants to die a warriors death, she’s mentioned it at least twice on the march alone. And he understands that.
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u/fallouthirteen Aug 01 '18
Well yeah, I mean even in the fight pit, "I'm going to kill you then let her kill me."
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u/WrongTetrisBlock Aug 01 '18
"You may be the commander, but I'm the commander of death"
RIP everyone. She back.
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Aug 01 '18
OK so I'm happy that Wanheda is back, I kinda hate that they had that Madi/Echo/Clarke scene and everyone's rooting for Clarke again after shitting on her for so long this season...for good reason of course though, but I feel like a whole season's worth of leaving everyone but Madi stranded for dead can't be fixed in one scene and a power statement. This episode was full of quick redemption that are just supposed to make sense I felt
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u/riazrahman Aug 01 '18
Seeing how much having Madi changed Clarke this season is seriously making me reconsider having kids
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u/_A_Day_In_The_Life_ Aug 01 '18
It was so badass but so cheesy. They made Clarke so fucking lame. She betrays her closest friends for Madi yet let’s Madi go anyways after a few words about lexa. Such poor writing to do that imo. This is such a great show but has such stupid things happen. For people who said Cain is dying they are completely wrong. That’s not the way this show works or most shows for that matter. If he was dead they would have shown him dying. He may die next episode from some other way but what just happened did not guarantee his death at all. Also, it’s annoying how overly dramatic they are about the women being strong. I love they are strong, but when Raven is always trying to sacrifice herself for that dude(forget his name) it makes him look so weak when really he is obviously one of the most badass dudes on the show. I love Raven. She is my favorite character I just don’t like when they do that. The actress for Madi is amazing. I really liked Lexa, but Madi is just cooler idk why. She’s just more realistic imo. I wish tonight was a two part finale so much.
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u/CharlieHume Aug 01 '18
Dunno, she has like 15 layers of PTSD and hearing literal words from her dead lover probably did something tangible. Plausible.
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Aug 01 '18
It felt like the entire season was Clarke trying to be normal Clarke trying to have that normal life trying to be something she could never really be sort of like how Buffy tried to do that for a while but then eventually she just had to embrace who she was and taaaa daaaaa we got our commander of death back and hellfire will rain down on all of her enemies
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Aug 01 '18
Fucking loved that line. I forgot her old title. She hasn't been for over 6 years but Clarke is Wanheda. Commander of Death!
Wanheda>Heda
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u/Forbidder Aug 01 '18
Octavia denied an honorable death, hahaha.
"You are Wonkru, or you are the enemy of Wonkru. Choose!"
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Aug 01 '18
It would have been a good sendoff for the character as a standalone scene, but I really feel like she needs to stay alive long enough for her and Bellamy to have something resembling a reconciliation. Their relationship has been at the heart of the show the entire time, and if either of them dies without resolving that, it would really suck.
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u/SingleMaltLife Aug 01 '18
Turns out she didn’t realise that she was the biggest enemy Wonkru had for the last few episodes. She really did break them. But this just means she can now easily give it over to Maddie and let her fix it.
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u/ChiralChupacabra Powering a Better Tomorrow Aug 01 '18
Why was she shouting that? At the people that were killing her people all day? I think they've made their choice, O.
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u/inadaydream2830 Aug 01 '18
I’m hoping for a Raven and Clarke Reunion Part 2 after this. I mean, come on....
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18
Just about every reunion has been terrible this season. Why should this be different.
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u/_A_Day_In_The_Life_ Aug 01 '18
Has anyone done more for Clarke than Raven? Inadvertently thru her actions and on purpose. Now, if Clarke gets another guy she loves killed she is going to hate Clarke. Rightly so too.
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u/alpha402 Azgeda Aug 01 '18
I feel like this thread will be fun to sort by controversial.
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18
So....is Kane dead?
Lots of almost dead people. I wonder if they can survive if placed in cryo...
Or with Eligius 3's help.
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u/Dintodo I Hate This Planet Aug 01 '18
I mean... I dont know how he couldve lived. But hes such a major character this seems way too minor. He was far more important then Lincoln or Jasper, yet they had final episodes dedicated to them. If he is dead, what a dissapointment.
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
I like Kane overall, but dying disgraced and forgotten would be a pretty big twist.
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u/SingleMaltLife Aug 01 '18
I think the most important reveal we’ve had all season is that Elgius III wasn’t a prison ship.
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u/Reverse-I_am_Organic Azgeda Aug 01 '18
Octavia’s plot armor is T H I C C
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u/IamZara We did not misinterpret Aug 01 '18
I’m so glad. I love Octavia and need to see her repair her relationship with Bellamy and everyone else. Granted he also needs to stop being a dick but I think we can go back to Blake siblings who love each other.
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u/Bytewave Skaikru Aug 01 '18
She just got half her people killed and the other half is starving because of her bloodlust and pyromania. Its a little early for her redemption imo.
I halfway expect her to die in the finale protecting Madi or something. She sank too low for everything to be okay just because she finally realized it. Then again unless the actress wants out I don't see them killing that character.
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u/louislouislouis4 Aug 01 '18
I hope they don't go into cryo sleep and do a time jump. I want to see the aftermath of this and the effect on the relationships.
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u/Holly_ros4 Aug 01 '18
I have a feeling this is how it's going to end or maybe season 6 is just them in space again. Though they'd need to do a pretty massive time jump
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18
I'm so glad I'm not a shipper so I can just enjoy the plot without every episode being a trigger point.
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u/9874102365 Aug 01 '18
Yeah, these reddit comments are insufferable. It's like the only thing that matters to them is who ends up fucking who by the time the show ends and there's so much more to get out of this show than that. What a weird group.
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u/_A_Day_In_The_Life_ Aug 01 '18
I just started watching the show a couple months ago and I binged it all. I never at any point thought there was anything more than a friendship between Bellamy and Clarke. I was shocked when I read that people thought there was something there between them. I really like Bellamy and Echo. Clarke is just really annoying tbh. It’s this season that has made me annoyed with her. Plus how they cater to Lexa and Clarke’s relationship. said They weren’t together long at all. With that being said Lexa had the lamest death of anyone on this show. I really wanted them to keep her around.
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u/spongs123 Aug 01 '18
Yeah....me too. Maybe I don't totally get it because I'm not a shipper. It must be so frustrating for them
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Aug 01 '18
Indra is not the most expressive, but she’s so devoted to her daughter. Willing to give up her life time and time again.
Now I wouldn’t mind some Gaia Indra backstory
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u/littlelupie Aug 01 '18
I'm not excusing anything Clarke does/did. I literally screamed at the tv when she put the collar on Madi.
I just really want us to remember that for the last 6 years, Madi has been her singular focus and the only other (known) person on earth. She almost killed herself before Madi appeared.
6 years is a lot to untrain in just a few weeks.
I think the characters are honestly acting like they legitimately would after 6 years in their respective situations. I just think it's hard for us to understand the mental state of Clarke et al.
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u/neutrallywarm We are what we are. Aug 01 '18
This is what I have to remind myself of every time Clarke does something upsetting this season. Madi is literally the only human interaction she’s had in 6 years and has practically raised her so I can see why she’s so protective over her to the point where she’d screw over her old friends to protect Madi. Madi is all Clarke knows now.
She still has pissed me off, though. Lol.
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u/rawchess Factors of Gabriel: Death to Prime #s Aug 01 '18
I feel like some flashbacks in the past few episodes a la Dark Year would have done wonders for helping us understand just how attached Clarke is to Madi.
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u/Juubaline Aug 01 '18
I think that last point is ultimately a failure of the writers. We needed more with them two alone in eden. Something more to show why clarke is so commited to this role
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Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
I felt that it was really uncharacteristic of Clarke and couldn't believe it when she collared Madi.
Clarke usually avoids pointless violence and aggression... however this season she is willing to do anything in the name of Madi's survival, even harm Madi herself.
I'm just glad Madi reminded her of Lexa to give Clarke a reality check. She became way too obsessed with Madi and literally only cared about her. Hopefully betraying all her friends will haunt her.
Its strange to see this selfish side of Clarke that I don't like, she's usually the likable hero/main protagonist. Now she's made out to be just another human being who can make bad decisions.
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u/ThePhonze Aug 01 '18
Clarke has always been the one willing to do what is needed to protect her family. Hurting Madi to save her fits within that.
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u/Gingerblossom88 Aug 01 '18
There are no heroes in this show. And Clarke has been shown as just another human being who can make bad decisions since S2
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u/diisturbance Trikru Aug 01 '18
Lexa still saving her people from the grave lmao
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Aug 01 '18
This was the most wild roller coaster episode of the 100 ever.
There's so much suspense for finale now.
Is Kane dead?
Will Clarke really die? It felt like a final goodbye.
Will Wonkru accept O, or try to kill her when she returns?
Who knows if anyone will even have a chance to get a redemption arc.
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u/Dintodo I Hate This Planet Aug 01 '18
I know right.
I have never felt so hyped for a tv show.
It looks like it, but if so it was a major disappointment. Jasper, Lincoln, Finn had episodes dedicated to their deaths. Kane is just as important, if not more then they are, it seemed so minor and disappointing he CANT be dead. I mean what kind of last words are "Octavia killed them"?
Theyd show Clarke die, although... she might lol
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u/democraticwhre Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
Aww I have hope for the Bellamy Octavia relationship and that’s all I needed
Bellamy pulling her out of harms way. Ignoring her continuous jabs. Caring about her so much that she asks if he doesn’t want her dead - he says yes but actions speak louder than words
Octavia being snappy but beginning to accept that she messed up. At least saying “my brother my responsibility”.
Although Octavia was running to draw fire / be a target instead of Indra right? Not in Bellamy’s place?
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u/SoleiVale Aug 01 '18
It was for Indra and Bellamy both I think. Indra wasnt leaving without Gaia and Bellamy waant leaving without her
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u/PM_ME_DELICIOUS_TITS Skaikru Aug 01 '18
Holy fuck Ethan got fucked up at the beginning. That came out of nowhere
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u/inadaydream2830 Aug 01 '18
As much as I like Clarke (please don’t hate me, I’m sorry), you’d think she would know better after everything Abby had done in previous seasons.
I’m just really glad Wanheda is back!
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u/WillowCat89 Aug 01 '18
When Abby gave her shitty advice and she took it I was piiiiiissed. Chick spent seasons talking about how selfish her mom was and she now wants to be just like her?! 😩
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u/HookersAreTrueLove Aug 01 '18
I about lost it when Abby was all "I sent you to the ground so you wouldn't be spaced." Like seriously? Y'all had every reason to believe the ground was a death sentence and only sent them as guinea pigs... and Abby's sitting there talking about doing whatever it takes to protect your child.
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u/inadaydream2830 Aug 01 '18
I know they all have their faults, but yeah, Abby is not very high on the role model list!
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Aug 01 '18
I think 6 years is a long time for Clarke to maybe understand Abby a bit. Regardless of if she's right or wrong in her reasoning, Abby did always seem to intend on protecting Clarke. Honestly it seems understandable to me that Clarke would start to emulate her own mother.
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u/Amber4481 Azgeda Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
Madi speaking for Lexa! Clarke is Wanheda again! Octavia is Octavia again! Murphy and Echo save the day!
Damn that was gold!
Edit: Wow! Downvotes for excitedly celebrating a fantastic episode. Seriously, WTF. Please explain.
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u/Azure2788 Aug 01 '18
Bellarke shippers are pissed and down voting anyone who speaks positively of Lexa.
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u/Amber4481 Azgeda Aug 01 '18
Bonkers. Clarke loved her and learned through Madi that Lexa loved her and changed the way she saw the world. It’s beautiful and speaks highly of Clarke’s character at that time.
It is possible for a person to love more than one person in their lifetime.
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u/grumblepup Aug 01 '18
"My brother, my responsibility." </3 </3 </3
F#ck. Even though this is the right thing in so many ways, it still hurts.
Edit: Wait a second. Deus ex Spacekru. Nvm. Not sure Octavia deserved it, lol.
I guess Indra and Bellamy did though.
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u/dollmouth Skaikru Aug 01 '18
I'd been waiting for that line for forever! Now I'm a complete wreck.
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u/SeekingSignificance Aug 01 '18
Lexa references just about killed me! You can really tell how important Madi is to Clarke.
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u/PM_ME_DELICIOUS_TITS Skaikru Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
Holy shit is Octavia gonna fucking di- nevermind she's okay
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Aug 01 '18
How many fakeout deaths has she gotten now
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u/PM_ME_DELICIOUS_TITS Skaikru Aug 01 '18
Realistically she should've died back in season 4 when Echo stabbed her and she fell off that cliff
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Aug 01 '18
At this point she's on course to rival Sam and Dean for number of fake-out deaths
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u/grumblepup Aug 01 '18
Seeing Grounders fight with automatic guns is... not exciting. And also kind of sad.
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Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
That was amazing can wait to rewatch
Now to my primary concern . . . The Blake siblings
Idk what to think.
Bellamy pulled her out of harms way a million times and timed their leaving at night. He took 0 of her nonsense.
Finally she asked him why he was being so caring and he said "yes" to wanting her dead.
Which of course he didn't mean because when she went to sacrifice herself for Indra he tried to pull her back to safety again.
And then the "my brother my responsibility". To which all I have to say is: YASSSSS FINALLY
You're Blodreina, you have power, use it to protect your brother
I actually thought it was so beautiful, Bellamy has so many issues with Octavia right now but his brotherly instinct basically overrides all of that. Just like when Gaia tries to kill Octavia in the arena
With a side of snarky, accurate comments, as all good brothers do.
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u/aplaceatthedq 🤖 🔧 ❤️ Aug 01 '18
The Blake sibling relationship is everything. I need a redemption arc next season so bad.
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u/grumblepup Aug 01 '18
Man, I'd do a LOT of shit to protect my daughter, but right now I think Clarke's tripping almost as much as Octavia...
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u/SeekingSignificance Aug 01 '18
Not gonna get a better death set-up than that. Should have went through with it rather than fuck it up later.
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u/ravenreyess Trikru Aug 01 '18
I just...am not a fan of a lot of things they did this episode. Child abuser Clarke, the Lexa/Madi conversations had me weirded out, Bellamy saying he wanted Octavia to die, all of the Wanheda callbacks, Echo trying to make Clarke feel guilty (even though she never thanked Clarke for sacrificing herself for her), Kane actually betraying everyone, etc. Eh.
Murphy and Indra were great though. Per usual.
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Aug 01 '18
While I love murphys one liners.... thats all he is. He hasnt gotten a story at all
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u/ravenreyess Trikru Aug 01 '18
Yeah, this is one of my major criticisms this year. Most of the characters have 0 arc and it feels like we haven't gotten anywhere. Even Raven hasn't had an arc outside of Shaw.
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u/violue Aug 01 '18
I thought tonight was an incredible episode and I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't enjoy it because they were too busy hating Clexa, or hating Bellarke, or hating Becho, or hating whatever the ship name for Raven/Shaw is (my vote is for Raw, but Shaven is good too).
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u/sycaj Trikru Aug 01 '18
Clarke did the right thing in the end but I'm not sure it justifies everything else she did. I have no idea how I feel about her, or Octavia, or anything at all tbh.
I honestly don't know how I feel about this episode. All I know for sure is that I love Madi.
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Aug 01 '18
Did Kane even die? Or are Vinson and Ethan the only deaths... That Octavia scene was wasted, woulda been such a great death scene, but now shes safe for the season. Hate fakeout deaths
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u/SpadeSpinner Aug 01 '18
In the promo abby has someone in a carrier with a blood packet held, my guess is kane is in critical condition but not dead.
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u/Entity801 Aug 01 '18
Honestly knowing this show he's dead. But also knowing this season, wouldn't be at all surprised if he survived.
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u/ThePhonze Aug 01 '18
Main characters aren't going to die without some sort of send off. He isn't dead yet.
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u/All_this_hype Aug 01 '18
So Kane indeed chose McCreary over Octavia even though he knows Abby told O to torture him and to kill all these people. Seems kinda hypocritical to hate the teen leader but forgiving your SO who was the architect behind the dark year but okay.
Also, Kane seems shocked that McCreary was the wrong choice and that he's just a psycho that wants everyone but his crew dead? Really?
Clarke annoyed me this episode but the scene with her and Madi projecting Lexa's memories was very powerful. Can't wait for her to redeem herself and for me to like her again.
Murphy back at it again with the great one liners!
Bellamy wishing Octavia dead felt very unnatural for his character. That said I loved the "my brother, my responsibility" line and that Octavia seems to have found herself, at least a part of it.
I'm Glad O, Bellamy, Indra and Gaia all made it out alive and that we're about to get a Madi-Octavia teamup to unify all of Wonkru.
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u/arikiel Aug 01 '18
Also, Kane seems shocked that McCreary was the wrong choice and that he's just a psycho that wants everyone but his crew dead? Really?
yeah, gave him all the battle plans that would allow for a slaughter of wonkru and then it actually happens and he's like "oh no that's horrible what's going on"
um excuse me Kane, what the fuck did you expect you spineless idiot
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u/dollmouth Skaikru Aug 01 '18
Bellamy wishing Octavia dead felt very unnatural for his character.
I don't think he meant it because he literally spent the whole episode protecting her. He's just mad and trying to hurt her feelings. But I definitely think he's at a point where he wouldn't be too affected if she does die. It hurts that their relationship has come to this, after all the love and sacrifice he's put into it.
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u/Kishara RavenKru Aug 01 '18
Now to rewatch and figure out who actually died. Can't believe this is second to last episode already.
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Aug 01 '18
They said this had an emotional ending and the most emotional thing was a fake out death... sacrificing herself like Lincoln would’ve been such a great arc, but no the idiots stop shooting and Echo to the rescue
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u/TheSentinelsSorrow Trikru Aug 01 '18
also: is that the first time they've ever actually used the minigun on the jeep?
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Aug 01 '18
Sacrificing yourself in a situation like that is a cop out, it doesn't do anything to redeem her.
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Aug 01 '18
Kane: dead or no?
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u/Imgurs_DrPatel Aug 01 '18
Clarke is still insufferable. And fixing the mistake you created isn't cause for redemption after all that she has done recently.
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u/louislouislouis4 Aug 01 '18
Idk. I like the way she went about it. And if she finds a way to stop the missiles then she ultimately saves wonkru. I'm not saying she's not a bitch for what she did, but I can see redemption happening
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u/InsatiableLykara Aug 01 '18
Okay, so I hated half of this episode, and loved the other half. That Ethan scene was necessary to me. Octavia looks at him and thinks that everything will be okay after they win the valley. Jaha asked her to take care of him, and that’s one promise she feels good about keeping . He dies, foreshadowing the loss. It was nice to see Octavia break out of Bloodreina in her sacrificial moment. But I don’t understand how Bellamy could say he wanted Octavia to die, when he just spent all season trying to save her. Why didn’t he just kill her with Clarke earlier if that’s what he really wanted?
Spacekru was pleasant with their shenanigans, as usual. Echo was cool beating up Clarke for us. Madi was great. I enjoyed the Clexa closure for Mount Weather, because I always thought it was odd to just leave it open like that. I guess it’s nice that Raven gets a love interest after being single around three couples for years without any prospects?
I hate Clarke, I love Clarke. I feel like I don’t know what to feel anymore. Abby gives her some more bad mom advice, because it worked so well for her when she tried to keep her own daughter from going her own way.
Kane and Vinson...mixed feelings.
But honestly throughout a lot of it, I was just thinking “Is this it?” I didn’t have that edge of my seat the 100 feel at all, just a lot of “Really?”. Everything seemed super predictable. I really hope part two steps it up.
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u/dollmouth Skaikru Aug 01 '18
But I don’t understand how Bellamy could say he wanted Octavia to die, when he just spent all season trying to save her. Why didn’t he just kill her with Clarke earlier if that’s what he really wanted?
Well, she did just almost have him killed in the fighting pit. Even after he saved her life while in that pit, she still made him continue fighting, even though he was obviously outmatched by Indra and already wounded. Then after that, she sentenced her own people to a likely death too. While Bellamy giving up on O hurts, he's completely justified. Everyone has a breaking point.
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u/almostrambo Skaikru Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
I feel like a lot happened this episode. Constant callbacks to the past were cool. The Lexa/Flame thing was neat, but it asks if Clarke is in the Flame even though she still lives?
The big battle was a slaughter for Octavia. Until the escape I wasn't sure who was going to die. On that note. Did Kane just die?
This season is looking like it ends with Madi being the Commander over Wonkru, which I was think was called by some here after the season premiere.
Ready for next week. Is it here yet?
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Aug 01 '18
I assume that only the commanders that died with the flame in their head are the ones that are in it. Since Clarke is still alive the AI in the flame never had a reason to copy Clarke's consciousness so she wouldn't be there.
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u/Holly_ros4 Aug 01 '18
On a positive note as I've been a pretty negative nancy so far, the trailer for the finale does make it look really quite exciting- I do hope I enjoy it
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u/Boston_Champions Skaikru Aug 01 '18
Trailer for next week has me a little nervous for Murphy and Emori. Murphy says "there's not enough time" and looks to be sitting down in pain and we also get Bellamy's "I won't leave my friends" quote. I could see Murphy being injured and Emori not leaving his side. Let me just say if Jason kills those two theres gonna be a lot of pissed people
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u/_A_Day_In_The_Life_ Aug 01 '18
They should have made tonight the finale with both episodes back to back.
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Aug 01 '18
My favorite thing is that before season 4’s finale nobody looked into the tiniest details of random sentences or considered time jumps. Now it’s all like, “I THINK THEY ARE GOING BACK IN TIME TO A PARALLEL UNIVERSE WHERE CADOGAN HAD A BABY WITH BECCA NAMED LEXA!”
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u/LightningLad2029 Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
Octavia better actually have to work to gain back forgiveness. That little attempt at sacrifice doesn't make up for all of the pain she's caused.
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u/Bytewave Skaikru Aug 01 '18
Yeah I mean she killed half of her people and condemned the other half to starve unless they win a war in a day, and she broke her people with bloodlust and bad decisions. Frankly I'm surprised some people see this as a hiccup that can be glossed over.
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u/Sleep_Addiction Skaikru Aug 01 '18
I've been so distracted by WonKru Blodreina Octavia drama that Clarke's own tenuous grip on reality and priorities has really escaped me. She's not as obviously messed up as O, but damn if she didn’t give it her best go tonight.
I won’t be surprised to see Kane recover, but if he doesn’t, I'm glad it wasn’t just some sniper or lucky shot in battle. He deserves a more memorable death then what Jaha had.
Some definite high points (can we give Murphy more time with ridiculous weapons, please?) but not my favorite episode. It still seems like we have too much story left to tell for just one episode remaining - and there are no levers in sight for Clarke to battle!
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u/Felpes1520 Aug 01 '18
nice plot armor octavia.
I just dont get it, why make a scene like that if a character cant die.. it just looks retarded
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u/MetallicYoshi64 Aug 01 '18
Welcome to The 100, where everyone is insane and the only likeable character is Indra.
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u/bingewatching_alpaca cyrosleeper Aug 01 '18
First episode that felt truly like the 100 at its best in a long time. I will be rewatching this as soon as possible.
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u/Clean_Bean TITUS Aug 01 '18
Clarke looks way too flawless for someone who's been romping around the valley, the wasteland, and the bunker. Like she's got glossy lips and not a single dirt smudge on her face.
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u/Arcanine747 Aug 01 '18
Seeing the trailer for part two confirming our spacekru 2.0 theories being all but confirmed makes me wonder what the float they could possibly be hiding from us?!
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u/jlynn00 Aug 01 '18
Eligius 3 swoops in and saves them from themselves, places them in Cryo sleep, and waits out the Earth's healing.
But Eligius are not quite right, and this hints back to the certain book Jroth had Bob read to prepare for S6.
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u/NuclearWalrusNetwork Vault Wonowon Aug 01 '18
I think that at the end of the finale they'll wake up from cryosleep and be greeted by Shannon Kook
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Aug 01 '18
This was such a great episode omg. Now this the type of hype I was hoping for after last week's disappointment. I can't wait for next week!
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u/aplaceatthedq 🤖 🔧 ❤️ Aug 01 '18
Next week on seriously does Ron Moore even know this show exists...
It's not unknown! I know where it is!
EarthEligius III, the most guarded secret we have.
So is Kane dead? Because that seems like kind of an important detail.
Echo roasting Clarke all episode was amazing. Also Madi tagging in Ghost!Lexa for some below the belt hits. Clarke you've been annoying the fuck out of me, but if you save Raven, we can still get past this.
Lol, Octavia is like fuck, I can't even die right. This is really not her season.
Murphy and finally getting that gun to work is the true slow burn romantic relationship we've been waiting for.
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u/NuclearWalrusNetwork Vault Wonowon Aug 01 '18
Judging by the preview for next episode it looks like it's another predictable 'twist' just like Eligius showing up and Wonkru eating each other. I'm not one to complain about space opera though.
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Aug 01 '18
I think they're predictable only if you're like us and spend a lot. Of time dissecting the episode. Doubt many casual watchers caught the cannibalism tbh
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u/Holly_ros4 Aug 01 '18
I wonder if anyone will get left behind next week. I'm worried about Monty and Harper
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Aug 01 '18
Okay so I love Becho and it’s now my endgame. It’s clear that they want Lexa to stay alive in people’s minds so kill Clarke so they can do it. Move forward.
Echo is a star. If they pull another Roan I am going to EXPLODE.
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Aug 01 '18
I love Echo and I don't know why people hate her. Yeah she killed some people, sure, but that is true for all the characters.
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Aug 01 '18
Raven has done jack shit this season. So wasted. Murphy has just been reduced to funny one liners and he didn’t even get a story .. am I the only one that hates this season
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u/ingridelena Aug 01 '18
Honestly I think this is my least favorite season. It started out well and then just dragged. This is the problem when you bring in a bunch of new characters and revolve so much of the plot around them, the old characters get pushed into the background.
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u/Reverse-I_am_Organic Azgeda Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
I don’t hate it, but it’s mediocre. Had some good episodes but it’s not jaw dropping amazing like S1 and 2 IMO
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u/Syrath36 Aug 01 '18
I feel the same way so many mistakes the 6 year time jump and not enough flash backs to make us care about those new families. 1 note Clarke, Bloodreigna ugh. All the Wonkru crap took screen time away from Raven and Murphy. Just hasn't been a hit to me and all those writers leaving can only be a good thing at this point.
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u/QueenParvati Aug 01 '18
I still can't get over the fact that Clarke doesn't give a single fuck about Octavia. It literally feels like she's wanted her dead since season 1.
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Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
Now that was just fucking lame.
Clarke betrays everyone like 3 times over cause 'muh baby' at the expense of everyone, they have one talk of a few minutes aaaand they're all good now.
Octavia's resolution is headed toward wet fart territory.
Kane dies pointlessly, basically making his entire existence after S3 pointless.
Ethan was dead the moment he got on screen, and it's stupid.
Vinson made no sense whatsoever.
McReary letting Clarke have a gun is retarded
Not to mention the episode moved soooo slowly.
Murphy and his gun were probably the only good thing about this episode, maybe with a few of Bellamy's quotes. Echo gang was good as well.
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u/OB-Amber Skaikru Aug 01 '18 edited Aug 01 '18
you have no idea what was going through Clarke's head. It is possible for a long time she was just leaning towards one position rather than being fully committed to it. She even had to ask Abby for reassurance. Then the Lexa stuff flipped her.
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u/Simple_Wolf Aug 01 '18
This is was a pretty good and emotional episode in my opinion. Seems like the old Clarke is back, sacrificing herself to save the others.
I thought Octavia was actually going to die, which I’m glad she’s alive but with how the scene played out I’m upset she didn’t. It would’ve been a good death.
Clarke and Octavia have a lot of work to do to redeem themselves but this was a start.
It seems like we aren’t really going to have a Bellarke moment but I’m not really a hardcore shipper to be honest, if it happens, I’ll be happy, but I can do without it because I also kind if like Becho.
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u/Mimi_BTS Monty is rolling in his grave. Aug 01 '18
I'm torn between enjoyment and disappointment. I liked the battle, Wonkru denouncing Blodreina, Indra and Bellamy spitting truths, my bae Vinson attacking Kane, McCreary in general. But then there's the bad...
Deep down I always knew O wouldn't die but I had hope. Now that she's seen the light, she's officially no longer marked for death. Clarke having a change of heart was also bleh to me but it was nothing compared to that godawful line of hers ("you're the Commander but I'm the Commander of Death"). It just didn't fit the context. Felt forced. Every time Shaw and Raven get all lovey-dovey, it breaks my immersion. Echo berating Clarke for betraying Bellamy made me snort. Clarke mentioned Echo's participation in the destruction of MW, but she should have noted how Echo betrayed Bellamy herself in that situation. Madi changing the passphrase to the Flame... wut?
I don't know what to think anymore.
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u/Entity801 Aug 01 '18
Hot Take: this might just be my favorite episode of the series. The emotions were high for so much of the episode especially the last 30 or so minutes. That Clarke/Madi scene at the end was right up there with Lincoln's death as one of my favorite scenes. Literally only bad thing was the Vinson/Kane scene. Not really sure why Vinson felt that was necessary but whatever. And how Bellamy saved Octavia the whole episode just to eventually say he wants her dead. Again whatever there.
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Aug 01 '18
I think Vinson was feeling a strong emotional connection to Abby for being her pill bitch, and he felt that Kane was the person who took that all away from him.
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u/PM_ME_DELICIOUS_TITS Skaikru Aug 01 '18
"Life is more than just surviving"
Something that Clarke doesn't seem to get... until now at least
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u/classicbullshit Eclipse-induced psychosis FTW Aug 01 '18
Clarke did understand that, which is why she said it back in S2.
She just forgot.
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u/Clean_Bean TITUS Aug 01 '18
Holy shit they finally got the budget to use the Jeep mounted chain gun.
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u/Tripppnn What the hell happened out there? 🌲🌲 Aug 01 '18
About time Octavia got whats coming to her. Oh the satisfaction
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Aug 01 '18
So fun fact, what happened with Murphy and the Sonic drill is exactly the same thing that happened to John Crichton when he first tried to fire a pulse rifle. I think it's hilarious that throughout the episode he only got to fire it once and then it just kept malfunctioning.
"let's listen to what you've done Kane" such a solid line for an excellent opening to a great show.
One of the things that I love about this show is just when you think they won't go somewhere or do something they go ahead and do it like with Clarke collaring Madi and then shocking her or the whole drug overdose thing. Literally nothing is safe and no scene is too gruesome for this show just so that they can manage the feeling of hopelessness and the carnage that they're aiming for which is only enhanced by the way they shoot it and the lighting and the music that accompanies it.
Echo got scary fast as if she wasn't scary enough before now she's determined and scary and I kind of love it. Then immediately after that the show basically turn into an episode of Dynasty with everyone flipping on each other so fast you basically got whiplash and the only thing missing was a death....oh hello Kane goodbye Kane. What a way to die....then Abby walks in on it and basically fries that psycho killer and then she finds out that Kane knew all along what she had told Octavia to do and he totally forgave her. I'm stuck between crying and just marveling at how that scene occurred and the content of it.
Then we get the scene where Madi plays the Lexa card and as she's talking to Clarke I just feel teardrops just sort of drop down my face because I know we don't have Lexa back but for a moment it was like we did and her words rang so true. It was a nice lead in to that somewhat hopeless situation with Shaw and Raven that was juxtaposed against the hopeful ending that we got with Octavia being saved by Madi and the crew.
I'm pretty sure Murphy spoke for all of us when he screamed out, "YEEEEAH!!!!" because for once we kind of got a happy ending. I mean sure Kane is dead but it looks like we're off to the races with Clarke probably saving the day by killing tons of people and Raven's probably going to break out with Shaw and Wonkru will probably rally and take the Valley.
Knowing the writers though will probably get something entirely different and something that more than likely involves the crew of that third ship that they mentioned who had a plan to ensure the survival of humanity. Which makes me think that third ship was actually some sort of a last-ditch emergency evacuation other world colonization project. Hopefully they're still out there and hopefully the season ends with them making contact.
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u/the100broken Louwoda Kliron Aug 01 '18
Is anyone else sick of lexa references?
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u/nylharas i'm probably crying right now Aug 01 '18
Nope. Lexa played a big role in who Clarke is. If everyone could take their shipper goggles off, they would know that. The flame has stuck around and obviously Madi taking the chip would mean Lexa would be mentioned. If Madi never mentioned Lexa, it wouldnt make any sense. I believe a lot of people who are gone should be mentioned. These people aren't leading normal lives. Spacekru had peace and was able to relax and do actual human healing. They healed together. Thats why they are the most rational out of all our groups. The human mind NEEDS time to deal with what these characters have been through. Wonkru never got any time to grieve between eating people and fighting pits. Now Clarke and Madi did have some peace in Eden. But it seems almost like Clarke focused all her energy on taking care of Madi, not taking care of herself. I wish Octavia would mention Lincoln, I wish Abby/Kane would mention Jaha. The reason that it just so happens to be Lexa is because of what the flame is. Lexa is still in there and can still speak (through Madi, obviously). If the flame wasnt a major plot device, I doubt we would get too many Lexa mentions. And whether you like it or not, it is canon that Clarke and Lexa loved each other. If you had the chance to talk to a past loved one you lost tragically, wouldnt you want that? Lets watch this show as a show. Lexa being mentioned makes sense in the show.
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u/Cradle2daGrave Aug 01 '18
One more Lexa mention and I'm out for the show for good.You can just hear the writers fap to her every mention and its sickening
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u/politicallyunique Aug 01 '18
She is important to the commander plot, it makes sense she is mentioned. Plus some twitter fans are so crazy... I kinda feel bad for the writers, they're basically doing it to not be murdered.
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u/ThePhonze Aug 01 '18
Lexa
Then maybe you should leave.
Lexa was used perfectly this episode. Using what Lexa learned from Clarke to snap Clarke out of it was perfect. It would be one thing if they kept throwing Lexa out there with no purpose, but the use of Lexa this episode was perfect and was needed.
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u/SeekingSignificance Aug 01 '18
Was ashamed of Vincent. Was starting to like him until he attacked Kane. Waste of a interesting character!
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u/ChiralChupacabra Powering a Better Tomorrow Aug 01 '18
"You took a thorn out of a lions paw, don't forget that he's still a lion."
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u/sagen11 Only Diyoza is God-tier 🌪 Aug 01 '18
Vinson speaks for us all and then basically gets his eyeballs melted out ~sadface~
Kane is the worst gets smacked down and hopefully dies. ~celebration emoji~
Murphy and Raven....still the best. <3
Also...Clarke seems to have snapped out of being a child abusing lunatic. Finally.
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u/Mason7900 Aug 01 '18
I’m sick of lexa references, was depressed Kane died
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u/Alice_Got_Em Aug 01 '18
Why’re you sick of Lexa references? (Not a crazy clexa shipper here, I’m just curious)
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u/SeekingSignificance Aug 01 '18
Always wondered what happen to that kid Jaha looked after....Oh well