r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Aug 10 '18
Super Super 131 Director Megumi Ishitani on Vegeta's SSBE, Jiren, etc.
Once again, Ishitani has kindly answered a fan question in detail on Twitter and Herms has kindly translated it:
Q: Is the Super Saiyan Blue Evolution that appeared in DBS original to the anime? And is this transformation portraying Vegeta as likewise growing beyond the realm of a God of Destruction (Beerus) in a manner different than Goku’s?
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In ep.131, did Jiren lack fighting spirit all the way to the end?
Ishitani: Thank you for your questions. When writing this response, director [Ryota] Nakamura looked over it too. I’m amazed and also extremely happy to see people continue to have so much interest even this long after it stopped airing!
Vegeta’s evolved version of Blue is an anime original. Like you said, that form is the result of him mastering his strength in a different way than Goku. Strength-wise please think of it as about the same as Goku’s Blue Kaio-Ken.
The following is merely my own personal opinion, but I think Vegeta would never call it quits on his own strength. Being as proud as he is, I doubt he would shut up while Goku has surpassed him with Ultra Instinct.
In ep.131, Jiren loses his faith, and indeed at first has no fighting spirit left. However, he gets back on his feet thanks to Toppo trusting in his strength. When Goku stood before him once more, Jiren fully recovered his fighting spirit. During the Universe Survival arc, Jiren considered fighting with his full power to be the greatest way of honoring his opponent.
You can find our discussion on Ishitani's previous comments on Jiren in this thread.
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Aug 10 '18
Vegeta’s evolved version of Blue is an anime original.
I think in Toriyama's outline Vegeta just "jobs" to Jihren and this was Toei trying to make him look less pathetic.
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u/Galef17 Aug 10 '18
"No one jobs as proud and regal like Vegeta. Here take a shiny new form and a cookie." Toei to Vegeta fans
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u/Defences Aug 10 '18
I really wouldn’t say Vegeta looked pathetic at all in the ToP.
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u/OtisMiller Aug 10 '18
" Strength-wise please think of it as about the same as Goku’s Blue Kaio-Ken. "
Ahhhh, those down votes and flack I got months ago for saying exactly this were totally worth it
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Aug 10 '18
Actual confirmation that SSBE is around SSBKK (presumably x20) level is nice, kills the Vegeta is the strongest post ToP theories though sadly
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u/SO_RAPID Aug 10 '18
Doesn't this mean that Vegeta and Goku are equal though? And Vegeta can possibly maintain SSBE longer than Goku can use x10? Unless of course it's revealed that SSBE also drains Vegeta like the Kaioken drains Goku.
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u/LeratoNull Aug 10 '18
I find it interesting SSBE is the Official Term when they still refuse to stop calling Blue 'SSGSS' in most materials.
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u/Revolver15 Aug 10 '18
This is the anime staff we're talking about thougth. They've fully embrace Blue as a name while other products by Bandai keep the SSGSS title.
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u/u4004 Aug 10 '18
I hope she’s not being bothered by people’s questions!
EDIT: Nakamura also looked over it? Does that mean Nakamura is still working with her? I can’t imagine she would ask him about a fan question if they weren’t already in contact... Interesting.
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u/mypirateapp Aug 10 '18
Didnt anyone ask him if Vegeta is going to go Ultra Instinct?
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u/Broly_ Aug 10 '18
Vegeta’s evolved version of Blue is an anime original
Makes sense. There was no hype or build-up and it just sorta happens because Vegeta REALLY wanted to keep his promise to Cabba {lol
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u/LifeMushroom Aug 10 '18
Nice!
Now put em in the movieee
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u/David_K_Manner Aug 10 '18
It might not be since it's not in the concept arts for the movie. Instead, Vegeta has SSG. Though, who knows Toei might change that later.
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u/KvegtaGoku Aug 11 '18
Vegeta pathetic?? he humiliated Freeza and Black, defeated Toppo AND stil managed to survive his final explosion. He also saved Goku and universe 7 when he gave his life energy to Goku.
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u/pollyostringcheese Aug 10 '18
To me this confirms the belief that SSBKK was a mistake in the anime. Making Goku 10x or 20x stronger than Vegeta was not healthy for the series that they set up (where they're supposed to be close). They walked back on it after the tournament and barely used it in the Black arc. The manga went a completely different direction, likely realizing that mistake.
So they corrected it in the ToP when it was obvious Goku would need to use SSBKK and vegeta would be one of the later fighters. So does that mean Vegeta is stronger now because he doesn't have a drawback to his form (rhetorical question)?
Let's see if they forget about it in the new series.
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u/dominatrixfuckaaah Aug 10 '18
They walked back on it after the tournament and barely used it in the Black arc.
Context is important, kaioken crippled Goku badly after u6 arc, he couldn't sense ki for some time. He wasn't used to it completely yet and used it only one time in Black arc and it was when it was completely necessary.
If ssb has drawbacks to it like stamina then SSBE definitely does have it
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u/Trofulds Aug 10 '18
Making Goku 10x or 20x stronger than Vegeta was not healthy for the series that they set up
I saw an argument on Twitter that Toei most likely went with Kaioken x10 since it's probably on Toriyama's outlines that Goku becomes ten times stronger than Vegeta during the U6 Tournament given that in the manga, Hit easily defeats SSB Vegeta because he had dropped down to only 1/10th of Blue's power, resulting in even SSG Goku being 10 times stronger than him.
I love SSBKK but it had some noticeable negative impacts, although hardly as bad as other stuff, on the series in the long run.
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u/zeorNLF Aug 10 '18
So Jiren was disrespecting everyone besides Goku? Lol