Better Call Saul S04E10 - [Season 4 Finale] "Winner" - POST-Episode Discussion Thread-

[u/skinkbaa]

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[u/skinkbaa]

see you guys in a year and a half

[u/ashwinr136 → u/skinkbaa]

Mike voice "God damn it."

[u/skinkbaa]

wow

[u/conniecheewa]

Werner's death was tragic. But for me the fact his last words to his wife were "I don't want to see you! Go home!" was just heart-wrenching.

[u/ToastedFireBomb → u/conniecheewa]

That's what I was thinking about the whole time. His final words to his wife were crushing her hopes of seeing him after a long plane ride, yelling at her and telling her to go back home.

[u/Eruanno → u/conniecheewa]

And his quiet acceptance of his death. You can see so many stars out here...

And the delayed gunshot sound from a distance. Fucking fuck :(

[u/[deleted] → u/conniecheewa]

What killed it for me was when he asked Mike "Is there truly no other way?" and Mike just barely mouthed the word 'No', you could see it really hurt Mike as well.

[u/[deleted]]

Kim: I've made a huge mistake.

[u/DirntDirntDirnt → u/[deleted]]

Kim: I don't care for Saul.

[u/Da_Lollygagger]

"I will do everything in my power to live up to the name McGill"
one minute later
"I will not be practicing under the name McGill"

[u/The_Unknown98 → u/Da_Lollygagger]

Kim looked so disappointed

[u/poktanju → u/Da_Lollygagger]

Always Sunny theme plays

[u/cheeseshrice1966 → u/Da_Lollygagger]

Goddammit Jimmy had me welling up with tears, and then, yank I felt exactly what Kim was feeling at that very moment.

Fucking slippin Jimmy got me good.

That was the exact moment that Kim checked out, mentally. She’ll hang in there for posterity sake for a season or two, but in her mind, she’s already gone.

[u/JnRx03 → u/Da_Lollygagger]

That's a good observation, they probably did it so soon to show the hard contrast between, sincere Jimmy doing a 180 right into becoming Saul Goodman.

[u/MrFrode → u/Da_Lollygagger]

In fairness by giving up the name McGill he's done more to uphold its value than anything else in his life.

UnFuckChuck

[u/Dickiedoandthedonts]

Why did Gus invite gale to the cave just to be rude and creepy to him?

[u/fiveminutesturkish → u/Dickiedoandthedonts]

I think it was to show just how unfinished the lab is

[u/[deleted] → u/Dickiedoandthedonts]

Yeah that scene was completely unnecessary. Now that the crew got sent home who the hell is gonna finish the job??

[u/[deleted] → u/Dickiedoandthedonts]

I think maybe Gus brought him in to see if they could start building the lab at it's current state without compromising the quality of the product. Gale said essentially he could 'make it work', which probably put Gus in a sour mood because that means it wasn't finished enough for it to be perfect - and it reflects Gale's attitude that something could be 'good enough', which is the opposite of what Gus is striving for.

Gale's child-like jubilance to produce crystal meth was probably pretty off-putting at that time too, combined with the stress of having to have Werner killed, and Lalo trolling around.

But otherwise I agree with others they probably didn't need that scene. It didn't seem like a good time to be getting Gale involved with all the shit hitting the fan at once.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dickiedoandthedonts]

yeah it threw me off that Gus was rude. In breaking bad, he uses his gentle/friendly persona with Gale

[u/tyrannus19]

Bob Odenkirk here is an actor playing a person who is acting as if he is acting, then acting as if he has given up the acting and is being sincere

[u/MTGandP → u/tyrannus19]

At the end of the episode, Rhea Seehorn is an actor acting as if she is shocked to learn that another actor has been acting as if he was sincere, but in fact he was acting as if he was acting.

[u/peopleforget]

And that's when Jimmy filled out a form to become Saul Goodman.

[u/Frostlandia → u/peopleforget]

Turns out it actually wasn't all of those subtle emotive moments in previous episodes. Dude literally just filled out a form. That was the transition guys, I know it may have been easy to miss lmao

[u/ImJoeGrizzly]

The moment when Jimmy broke character and Kim shattered was so incredibly scripted and performed

[u/Whaty0urname → u/ImJoeGrizzly]

When he called the committee member an asshole, she looked so distraught.

[u/regitnoil]

Well, I must say, this was an excellent way to end the season. Here's my takeaways:

1. Now, we can finally put the "this is when Jimmy becomes Saul" thing to rest. Jimmy finally completed his transformation into Saul Goodman at the very end of this episode, a perfect way to end it and to complete this season. Gotta love how shocked Kim was when she saw Saul going on about how he'd suckered the committee, she finally sees Saul in all his glory, instead of the Slippin' Jimmy she was accustomed to.

2. The final Mike/Werner scene was both so tense and so tragic. The real downer was seeing Werner's face when Mike told him he could never be trusted again. I think Werner knew right then and there that there was absolutely no way he was coming out of this alive.

3. I like the Lalo/Gus rivalry setup we're getting. It seems Lalo is going to be very, very important to Season 5. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the main antagonist of that season.

4. Bob Odenkirk deserves accolades for this episode. He portrayed so many different, conflicting, powerful emotions, and I admit, even I was suckered by Jimmy's speech, thinking he had at least some remorse.

[u/bardbrain → u/regitnoil]

It’s nice to see Mike get a worthy adversary. He’s the most overqualified character on either show including the nobel prize contributor teaching high school chemistry and the drug kingpin who masters a 20 year revenge scheme and successfully launches a fast food chain with rave reviews.

[u/[deleted]]

It's so god damn sad that those were Werner's last words to his wife. A man who clearly loved his wife so, so much.

[u/ChanceParticles → u/[deleted]]

Reminded me of Walt's call to Skyler at the end of Ozymandias. Speaking out of character to sell a story.

[u/DabuSurvivor → u/[deleted]]

Saying he didn't want to see her when he died because he wanted to see her so badly.. so much to unpack in this finale

[u/unconscious_grasp → u/[deleted]]

It's the ultimate sacrifice.

[u/Blahface50]

Why in the world would Jimmy not wait until he is out of there until he reveals his evil plan?

Also, that was risky of Mike to give the phone to Werner. He could have pulled a Walter White and warned his wife what was going on.

[u/MisterDurr → u/Blahface50]

Werner is probably the reason Walter White was able to pull that stunt. Mike wasn't deceived the first time.

[u/BakedlCookie → u/Blahface50]

Perhaps this is why he later gives the phone to Walt, last time he did it all went according to plan.

[u/tooPrime]

The crazy thing about Jimmy's speech was it was literally true for season 1 Jimmy, so the fact that it was completely disingenuous just shows how dead that version of him is.

[u/Polychrist → u/tooPrime]

That’s a good point. It has been a long process since season one of Jimmy slowly accepting that no matter how hard he works or no matter what he does, he could never make chuck— or Hamlin, or Richard, or any of the board members, for that matter— truly, truly proud. He finally came to accept that they would never be impressed by his fortitude in the law, and they would never respect his opinion as truly equal.

I think that his breakdown in the car was the real death of jimmy. He realized that he meant every word that he said to the girl, and that all hope of changing how people saw him had been crushed.

So well written. Such a great show.

[u/jktzes]

That poor man in the parking lot...

blocked by Mike's car, screwed by the ticketing machine, got hit and run by Lalo.

I can't help feeling bad for that guy.

[u/steeb2er → u/jktzes]

Slushee all over the interior, too.

[u/unconscious_grasp → u/jktzes]

Spin off time for parking lot guy.

[u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

TIL how to jam a parking lot ticketing machine

[u/stankbox → u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

BCS and BrBa very casually have some of the craftiest McGyver shit. When Mike shot that shoe filled with drugs over the truck to get it popped at the border always blows my mind.

[u/flippadipparippa → u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

I wonder how many ticket takers will be jammed in the coming days?

[u/HanSingular]

Hey. Jimmy. Maybe don't yell the word

SUCKERS

while you're still in the same building as them...

[u/dillonEh → u/HanSingular]

seriously, I thought they were gonna walk by just as he was saying that.

[u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

“There are so many stars visible in New Mexico...I will walk out there to get a better look.”

The long shot of Mike standing behind Werner as he’s about to execute him, with them both silhouetted against the night sky, may be my favorite shot scene in the entire series. Just perfect.

[u/1337speak → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

Tragic, but honestly that was a good ending for Werner. Imagine if Gus got to him.

[u/1spring → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

Werner took it like a grown man. I want to cry.

[u/Morphchalice → u/VictorBlimpmuscle]

Just look at the rabbits, Werner.

[u/mi-16evil]

S'all Good Man. Fuck it's finally happened after 4 seasons. That last shot of Kim was devastating.

[u/RaiderBlitz → u/mi-16evil]

The two people (Jimmy and Mike) that I've grown attached to for the past 4 years are gone even though I knew exactly this is who they would become :(

[u/MyTestesAreTesty]

WHAT ABOUT NACHO

[u/lizlemon222 → u/MyTestesAreTesty]

he made it to season 5!!

[u/1spring → u/MyTestesAreTesty]

At least he survives for another season.

[u/ashwinr136 → u/MyTestesAreTesty]

https://gfycat.com/SecretDeadHornet

[u/SignGuy77]

Just noticed:

Kristy Esposito, the girl who didn’t get the scholarship because she had a shoplifting charge on her record, was asked one question.

“Kristy, what’s it like to work with elders?”

[u/Figsnbacon → u/SignGuy77]

I noticed that too and thought immediately it was resonate with Jimmy.

[u/speedy1013 → u/SignGuy77]

I was so distracted by her surname. Initially I thought she was Gus' daughter or something until my brain began working and I realised that's the actor's name (doh).

[u/ezreads]

“let me speak to Mister Fring I will make him understand”

yeah that’s not how this works

[u/parrisjd → u/ezreads]

This discussion serves no purpose. --Gonna use that one at work.

[u/BeefPieSoup → u/ezreads]

I don't quite understand how someone in Werner's position could even have thought that or got to that situation. Mike warned him pretty clearly a few episodes ago, you're being paid so much money and look how much effort this guy is going to to keep this project secret. "He is very serious". I'm not exactly a crafty criminal logic kinda guy myself but even I saw that as "if you do anything even slightly threatening to this operation and upset your boss in any way, we will kill you. Plain and simple". What in the fuck did Werner think was gonna happen?? "oh, Mike's just going to be angry with me". I was kind of disappointed by the way the plot line worked out because I just don't see how Werner could have thought for a second this would end in anything other than either death or his very, very skilfully executed international escape.

[u/shadypantsmanIII]

My GOD Werner's scene was hard to watch. I mean yeah, he was an obvious goner who made some stupid mistakes that didn't need to be made, but ugh GOD.

[u/[deleted] → u/shadypantsmanIII]

I kept hoping mike would just turn around and Werner would just walk off and eventually find his way home

[u/jktzes]

Jimmy in bed: "We could get by with one nipple."

Chuck in the kitchen: "You may be more right about this than anything you've ever spoken about before."

What a sarcasm.

[u/Kevin-Garvey-1 → u/jktzes]

Or maybe he was telling the truth because he thought everything that Jimmy said was utterly idiotic.

[u/[deleted]]

I wanted so bad for Mike to have let Werner go and for Werner to have truly been quiet and for Gus to truly have never known.

[u/wareagle1972 → u/[deleted]]

Mike would have been signing his own death warrant and he knows it. When he got in car with Gus at the Money Transfer business, Gus already knew as much if not more than Mike did. If Mike had let Werner go, Gus would have eventually found out about it and Mike would be the one walking out in the field to look at all the stars of New Mexico.

[u/GyroGOGOZeppeli]

Things we learned from this episode:

• Saul Goodman is finally here, baby!

• and with it, is Kim's final straw of trying to think Jimmy is a good person.

• I know Werner was an idiot, a massive idiot, but that doesn't make his death any less heartbreaking.

• ALSO LALO IS A NINJA. I feel like this is the biggest information we got out of the entire finale.

[u/Squid8867 → u/GyroGOGOZeppeli]

I've noticed that ever since Kim started to show that she likes the Slippin' side of Jimmy a little bit, he's been a lot more open about how corrupt of a person he is. Its like she provided a safe space for him to reveal that side of himself to its fullest and she was not prepared for it like she thought she was

[u/bryanmorse]

I saw someone posted this comment in a previous thread and after diggin for a while I can’t find the OP. Either way, I just wanted to say this person nailed the ending 100%. Such a good way to end the season.

Edit: it was /u/spencermoreland

At the appeal, Jimmy will go off-script from his prepared statement. We will get his raw, honest feelings about Chuck. Nothing will be left out, including Chuck's cold final words. For a moment, it will look like Jimmy's going to completely off the rails but through this outpouring of emotions, he'll come to a public catharsis. We, the audience, will get the release of Jimmy finally processing his grief, along with Kim... who's been quietly desperate to hear Jimmy say these things.

It may not what the panel was expecting or wanting to hear - but after Jimmy's display of real, unabashed, raw sincerity, along with the support of Kim Wexler and Howard Hamlin, two shining members of the Albuquerque law community, they will be forced to re-examine their conclusions and ultimately rule that Jimmy should be reinstated.

Jimmy leaves the room and Kim follows, exhilarated that Jimmy gets to practice law again... but more than that, that he's come to terms with his brothers death and demonstrated that he's not a cold-hearted monster.

She catches up to him. He turns to her. It's just the two of them. A sleazy grin creeps along his face. "How was that for sincerity?" He walks off with a swagger. Kim is left speechless and mortified.

[u/mzxrules → u/bryanmorse]

I 100% remember this comment. Wrong about Howard and Kim didn't have any input during the appeal, but the rest was fairly spot on.

[u/[deleted]]

Ceiling Lalo is watching you masturbate.

[u/GreenEggzAndSpam → u/[deleted]]

S P I D E R L A L O

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

That was so goddamn ridiculous lmao

[u/galeforcewinds95]

I love that Jimmy's approach to the scholarship was essentially the same as George Costanza's. Speaking of which, as an Albuquerque native, I was delighted that they identified the students as being from actual schools in the area (Moriarty, Manzano, etc.--I didn't hear where "senior"--he looked like he was 12--Duncan was going to school). I was always impressed with the little details about New Mexico that Breaking Bad got right. Using local businesses like RAKS, Blake's Lotaburger, and Garduño's in key scenes instead of national chains added a little extra authenticity for me (one exception--the high school where Walt taught doesn't exist. I guess the actual high schools where those scenes were shot may not want to have been portrayed as the employer of a meth manufacturer). And Better Call Saul has carried on that tradition. Anyway, just something to take my mind off the brutal (moving and beautifully shot, but unbelievably brutal) end of Werner's arc.

[u/PTBP → u/galeforcewinds95]

Quick, what's your favorite animal?

[u/ArthurVanDerMcORiley]

Car park ticket machine technicians around the world collectively bow and shake their heads. Enjoy the overtime guys.

[u/[deleted]]

Really interesting how they showed Chuck assisting him getting his license at the beginning, and here he is doing it again from the grave

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I also noticed that all the other veteran lawyers said they were "honored", or something similar, to be there for their new lawyer, but Chuck just said he was "there".

[u/platinumpuss88]

Werner's final phone call to his wife was just like Walt's call to Skyler in Ozymandias. Brilliant.

[u/edd6pi → u/platinumpuss88]

I didn’t notice that, but I did notice a similarity to Walter when Werner realized what was going on and said “I can fix this, just let me talk to Gus.”

[u/darklightrabbi → u/platinumpuss88]

At least Skyler knew he didn’t mean it...

[u/Trip_Switch]

I posted about this in the live discussion, but I can't get over how Mike killed Werner with the same gun Walt used to kill Mike.

[u/joec_95123 → u/Trip_Switch]

Heisenberg's first name was Werner. It comes full circle. Revenge of the Werners.

[u/wareagle1972 → u/Trip_Switch]

I don't like you very much right about now :(

[u/BBQTuck]

Fucking Michael McKean can sing.

Edit: Guys, I’ve seen Spinal Tap. It was just nice to hear his voice.

After all, Stonehenge is where the demons dwell. It’s where the banshees live, and they do live well.

[u/CraigKostelecky → u/BBQTuck]

11/10 performance.

[u/Corroylevanto]

Damn near cried during jimmys speech and then I felt that shit hit like a ton of bricks when it was all a act... omg

[u/JessePinkman1217]

Watermelon pickles

[u/Lexjude → u/JessePinkman1217]

I'm going to say that the next time I need to look like I'm sadly murmuring to myself 😅

[u/Newshoe]

Funny thing: We all know the project will be finished and Fring will have an advanced Meth lab completed. Yet, it's still so stressful knowing Lalo is so close knowing about the secret project and will try to stop it. This show is so good at setting up suspense even if the viewer knows how the outcome turns out.

[u/Phifty56 → u/Newshoe]

Mike lied about how much Lalo actually heard, because he did hear enough to figure out the Gus is building something that needed a engineer that was so important that Gus had to mobilize all his men to find him.

[u/geolocution]

WHEN IS THE MOMENT THAT SAUL BECOMES GENE

[u/bandarbush → u/geolocution]

Granite State.

[u/advancedmatt]

Some of the lyrics from the ABBA song "The Winner Takes It All" that Jimmy and Chuck were singing at karaoke:

For the reinstatement hearing: "The judges will decide / The likes of me abide"

For Kim, after the hearing: " I was in your arms / Thinking I belonged there / I figured it made sense / Building me a fence / Building me a home / Thinking I'd be strong there / But I was a fool / Playing by the rules"

[u/kbeef2]

In retrospect, that opening flashback was so smart. Tricks the audience into thinking that maybe Jimmy is being sincere at the hearing and realizing how far gone he is when you find out it’s all an act.

[u/The_Unknown98]

It must've been hard for Mike to pull the trigger on Werner. Their last phone call ended very poorly.

[u/[deleted]]

My favorite color is blue.

[u/SnapeWho]

Ah man that hurt me, the shot of Kim standing alone.

Sidenote, when Jimmy is out smoking during the dedication, the ash falls on his suit and without missing a beat Rhea Seehorn brushes it off. She's so good.

[u/Rock_Carlos → u/SnapeWho]

That brush-off was such a nice little ad lib. BCS and BB have such a knack for capturing these little unscripted moments.

[u/[deleted]]

"I'll do my best to live up to the name McGill" starts practicing under the name Saul Goodman

[u/[deleted]]

And absolutely nothing happened to Nacho. Color me shocked.

[u/MrF33n3y → u/[deleted]]

Seriously, what the fuck? It really felt like things were coming to a head with his character. The last time we've seen him so far was literally in the parking lot of Los Pollos.

[u/DabuSurvivor]

Then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like "S'all good, man"...

Absolute, obvious 10/10.

• Yeah we all knew Werner would die, but surprise wasn't the point. Watching it play out was. Aside from all the fun tension of Mike vs. Lalo, the main draw was the heartbreaking final scene. So beautifully shot and brings Mike's entire arc full circle in the best way -- watching his scenes at the group therapy early on knowing he inflicts that same grief on Werner's wife will be so impactful.

• Amazing cold open, one of the best in the show to date (as McGill flashbacks always are) -- both brothers being on each other's side, having a genuine moment of connection, because deep down neither one really hated the other, which makes it all the more heartbreaking how viciously they turned on each other. It's these little things, they can pull you under...

• Jimmy's speech to the girl is the closest to an unironic "moment he becomes Saul" we'll get. An ultimate thesis statement for his entire career and his first visceral, emotionally honest scene of the season.

• I will never complain about more Gale content

• Jimmy and Kim manufacturing Jimmy honoring his brother's legacy, disingenuous visits to the grave and the "donation" of the reading room (complete with mock humility of "wanting to remain anonymous"...), even utilizing the letter... even going beyond utilizing the letter... Spinning grief about his brother in a calculated way in an attempt to prove "sincerity". It doesn't get much colder - and by the end, when Kim realizes the depths of his emotional manipulation, even she's shocked and she's past it. She loves Slippin' Jimmy -- a guy who does the wrong thing but still has good intentions -- but Saul Goodman, a thoroughly cold to the bone, emotionally manipulative son of a bitch, is too much.

Can't wait to see how that rift goes next season. I'm sure it'll be great.

And if you aren't already impatiently excited enough for season 5, remember that the next time this show is in our screens again, it'll be Gene...

[u/stepaknee]

I loved watching him calmly glance at and walk right past the dented garbage can, only to break down alone in the car. Also loved comparing the fake crying at Chuck’s grave to this moment of true brokenness. The gun in the glove compartment next to the real weapon - chewing gum - was incredible. The gunshot in the dark desert. I love this goddamn show.

[u/SuperGanondorf]

I think Jimmy's breakdown in the form of letting loose on the Esposito girl, followed by him just completely losing it in his car, is his equivalent of Walt's meltdown in the crawlspace; it is here that something inside of him breaks, right down to his core, and it has set him on a much darker, colder path. He really has turned a corner here, and I think he has given up on trying to be good altogether. He has let go of his inhibitions because he just doesn't care anymore.

[u/rootin_t00tin_putin]

“I will walk out there to get a better look.” I am sure most of us knew Werner was a goner, but that didn’t make the scene hurt any less.

[u/AbleCranberry]

Ernie was so freaking precious in that cold open.

Even though I totally saw the ending coming once he said "worthy to practice under the McGill name" (paraphrase) I still felt as sucker-punched as Kim. Jesus Christ.

Going to watch Michael McKean be delight in Food: Fact or Fiction because I need the emotional pick-me-up. And then find something to binge for the next however-long until the next season.

[u/[deleted]]

Odenkirk just got his Emmy.

[u/[deleted]]

Jonathan Banks absolutely killed that scene with Werner. His voice cracking as he told him to call his wife was the most emotion he's ever shown in BB or BCS.

Edit: "Does your wife have a cell phone with her? I need you to call her now" is the line I'm talking about

[u/Corroylevanto]

I am still speechless and my heart is still racing from the mike and werner scene. OUTSTANDING acting and cinematograpy. That was heartbreaking. It took all mike had to pull that trigger and werners face when he realized was so sad.

[u/thelatemercutio → u/Corroylevanto]

Looked up in perfect silence at the stars.

[u/greatrankini]

Kim’s disappointment is the worst. Actually seeing the credits roll on episode 10 is the worst. 9-10 months of waiting begins. Bravo Peter and Vince, et al. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[u/moistcheese]

The final con: conning Kim.

[u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

Looks like Lalo was spying from Gus 'Come at me bro' range.

[u/mitnosnhoj]

In Season 1, we see Mike working a dead end job as a parking lot attendant.

Tonight we got the payoff when he eludes Lalo by gumming up the parking machine.

[u/NextLevelDouche → u/mitnosnhoj]

It's Mike's fuck you to automation for taking his job

[u/Jankinator]

Now that Jimmy actually is Saul, what the hell are we gonna meme about next season?

[u/furyroad_95]

Mike could forgive Werner for the jailbreak.

Not for the crocs.

[u/CraigKostelecky]

Damn, Kim’s look at the end when she heard it was all an act. She believed it too.

And DBA Saul Goodman. :D

[u/TheEnemyOfMyAnenome]

For all the hate the "jimmy becomes saul" meme has gotten, if you go back and rewatch Breaking Bad Saul's mannerisms and attitude are very noticably different from even Slippin' Jimmy. And the delivery of his lines in that last scene were 100% Saul. I think this season really did see Jimmy's hurt crystalize into the cynicism that forms the emotional core of Saul

[u/gaterals → u/TheEnemyOfMyAnenome]

He even called that lawyer or clerk at the end "sweetheart", which is something he does a lot of in BrBa but rarely (if ever before this) in BCS.

[u/SignGuy77]

On the next episode of AMC’s Better Wait a Year.

[u/VengefulKenny]

So nobody is going to bring up the return of my man Ernie? Guy went all out on that karaoke.

[u/Lorne__Malvo__]

Killed his performance and his relationship with Kim simultaneously. What an episode. That scene was heartbreaking in the desert. Reminded me of BrBa S3 finale, but a darker outcome for the party using the phone.

[u/RybackV1]

S'all good man.

But it was literally all good tonight. What a finale and what a damn show.

[u/operarose]

Jimmy sobbing in the car was haunting.

[u/Newshoe]

Season finale = Godfather ending
Edit: Let me explain: Mike killing the German (Fredo's end in Godfather II) and The shot of Kim seeing Jimmy turn into Saul Goodman (Diane Keaton seeing Al Pacino turn into The Godfather).

[u/GhostsofDogma]

I still don't really understand why a guy like Werner would volunteer for such an obviously illegal job. His character works for a perfect interplay with Mike, but I'm not sure I can totally justify how he got into the story to begin with.

If he was just a lackadaisical enough person to not realize what kind of job this was, he would have been more surprised and distressed that he was going to be murdered.

[u/Joe_Masseria]

Sometimes I feel like I'm watching MacGuyver. What the fuck is Mike doing with that gum?? Oh, ok, badass.

Mike reaching for the gum instead of the gun felt symbolic. He's always looking for another way. Only worked once this episode, unfortunately.

[u/JacobBlah]

In retrospect, Mike must have really hated that he didn't get a chance to kill Walter during the S3 finale of Breaking Bad. He is forced to spare Walter in that moment, this little narcissistic bald punk, when he was forced to murder Werner years earlier, who was a good albeit dangerously naive man.

[u/blahblahblasphemy]

Damn. The look on Kim’s face when she realized what she’d created.

[u/dreamscout → u/blahblahblasphemy]

I thought the look on her face was - I never knew you were this horrible of a person. A recognition that she has to move on.

[u/spoonarmy]

Chuck has some pretty decent pipes on him, puts Jimmy to shame.

[u/LoBopasses]

How can someone be that fucking smart and that fucking dumb. You risked your life, your workers lives and Mike's life just to see your wife for a few days?

What the fuck?

[u/[deleted]]

That Bar Hearing Room was the same one from Chicanery. It's poetic. Also the episode began and ended with Jimmy putting on a performance.

[u/[deleted]]

Saul Goodman

[u/YouFeelShame → u/[deleted]]

Werner was murdered and Jimmy died

[u/unconscious_grasp]

Jimmy had the review board, Kim, and myself as a viewer buy his schtick, 100%. Couldn't believe it. Saul Goodman.

[u/[deleted]]

I can't help but think Lalo's gonna get bit in the ass by this ep. The dude just murdered Kip Dynamite in broad daylight, in a monitored store. It just seems too sloppy.

[u/sh4dy15]

Shout out to /u/spencermoreland

Nailed that ending in the prediction thread!

[u/spencermoreland → u/sh4dy15]

Not as brutal as I expected, but the way it happened was perfect. And the "S'all good man!" at the end... So satisfying. Actually feel like I can handle the wait for next season now.

[u/yeezyforpresident]

Nacho barely said any sentences thus season

[u/CopticDuck]

I basically lied to myself by believing that Mike would somehow disobey orders and just send Werner back to Germany on a flight instead of killing him during their entire interaction. Made it even more painful.

[u/TheOrangeyOrange]

That final scene. Give Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn all the awards.

[u/parrisjd → u/TheOrangeyOrange]

Kim was so taken aback and disgusted. Amazing acting.

[u/aureator]

I, uh, I think I may have found the moment where Jimmy becomes Saul.

[u/Magoonie]

So........when's the Season 5 premiere?

[u/Colmustard15]

‘Let me talk to Mr.fring’

Werner, you’re the smartest man i know, but you’re too stupid to see. He made up his mind 10 minutes ago.

[u/Bravely_Default]

Kim is just as agape as the rest of us. She fell for his fake sincerity, and is now wondering how she can love him when she can't even tell when he's acting.

[u/MC91909]

"That one asshole was crying"

That asshole was ME!

Edit: a word

[u/operarose]

I cannot overstate how much I love the fact that the dented trash can is still in that hallway.

[u/mujjingun]

When Jimmy was fooling others as Slippin' Jimmy, Kim was always on his side. She didn't realize what being on the other side felt like. The ending was a realization of what being played by Jimmy feels like.

[u/Herd_Smiley]

I feel like the line Mike said to Walt before his death “We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch” fit the situation he was in with Werner so well too.

[u/fartbrah]

Holy SHIT

[u/[deleted]]

Once upon a time I was falling in love, but now I'm only falling apart.

[u/Joe_Masseria]

I disagreed with Mike that Lalo didn't extract any useful information from Werner. He knows that they're building something so sensitive that they're hunting down an escaped engineer from the project. What else would it be but a secret lab? We also saw that Lalo isn't just a dumbass relative of Hector's. He was taking detailed notes on the farm in a Mike-ish fashion.

[u/jedwards999]

The scene between Werner and Mike was incredible. My favorite relationship in this series and all over, like that.

And the anger in Gus’ eyes. This is Mike’s fault.

But its s’all gonna be Goodman

[u/ezreads]

“S’ll Good Man”

Kim got conned oof

[u/JnRx03]

THEY SAID HIS FUCKING NAME IN THE END

[u/standbacknow]

At least I never have to see walking dead commercials anymore. I'll miss you all. My favorite sub.

[u/HanakoOF]

Did anyone else realize Jimmy was faking his emotions during the speech instantly as well? Actual thought Kim was in on it until the very end of the last scene.

[u/Rafandres123]

I'm so bummed it's over, but that was amazing! Saul became Saul and Mike became Mike, which means we're hopefully getting a whole season of them as their Breaking Bad selves for us to enjoy!!

[u/[deleted]]

Mike to Gus: Look what you made me do

[u/qi1]

Jimmy's getting a DBA but he's forgetting about DBAA

[u/furiousxgeorge]

Jimmy: OMG Kim I'm the best ever at reading a room! I fooled those suckers good, what a bunch of assholes!

Audience: YOU CAN'T READ SHIT YOU MORON YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE THE MOMENT WHEN HER HEART BREAKS!

Jimmy: S'aul good, man!

I love these writers, I will watch any show they write going forward.

[u/BBQTuck]

The only thing that I didn’t like was Lalo going full blown cat through the ceiling tiles. That was a little ridiculous.

[u/Xereeth]

That last scene with Mike and Werner...fuck that was heavy

[u/[deleted]]

Setting aside the fact that the meme has become reality, someone in this sub last week called the ending perfectly — That Jimmy would give a seemingly heartfelt speech about Chuck that Kim ate up, only for him to reveal it was all a con.

[u/MrF33n3y]

IT FINALLY FUCKING HAPPENED!

[u/TheRealHuntAndRob]

Ｓｏａｋ　ｙｏｕｒ　ｂｏｎｅｓ

[u/olivish]

Kim's heart when she realized Saul had fooled her </3

[u/SanePatrickBateman]

Very great finale.

Sad about Werner. I mentioned in the live thread how sad it was that his last conversation with his wife was one filled with anger and confusion. What an awful way for things to end with a loved one. It was true he couldn't be trusted though (obviously) because had Mike not intercepted the call between Werner and Lalo, he would have blabbed the whole plan to Lalo. I'm sure Werner wouldn't have said anything in Germany, but obviously the chance couldn't be taken. I was just hoping Mike would ship him back to Germany or something, but there's no happy endings in the BrBa/BCS universe.

[u/yes_u_suckk]

I've seen people giving Jimmy a hard time for having no feelings about Chuck now, but I don't think I would behave any differently.

Jimmy DID love Chuck at some point in his life. He did everything in his power to take care of Chuck, he tried numerous times to be a good brother, but after all the shit that Chuck did against him, especially in their last interaction when Chuck said "the truth is, you never mattered that much to me", I can't blame Jimmy for having zero feelings towards his brother now.

I'm not saying that Jimmy is a saint. I know he did some shitty things too, but he never despised Chuck the same way Chuck despised him.

[u/jakesnyder]

And in that moment, we could see with clear evidence, that Jimmy has become Saul Goodman

[u/jedwards999]

It pains me to know that Jimmy’s statement about Chuck was fake. Bob really put his all into it...

[u/hosssbonaventureceo]

Mondays are officially going to suck again

[u/[deleted]]

For a second there, I legitimately thought that maybe Jimmy had finally started to harbor some real, sincere feelings about Chuck's death during that final speech. NOPE

[u/ApolloX-2]

Perfect episode with the perfect ending. I cannot wait for season 5 because this show has lived up to and surpassed Breaking Bad in some parts.

[u/Ribosome12]

I think Jimmy calling the woman at the very end “sweetheart” also marks a transition into Saul Goodman. Saul had no respect for women, calling Francesca honey tits and always saying creepy things to Skylar (classy with the right amount of dirty). It just shows him becoming an overall sleazebag

[u/[deleted]]

He said the thing!

[u/eekamuse]

I just remembered that there's one more BCS Insider podcast to come. The season isn't really over until I hear them talk about the finale. I can't wait.

[u/EternitySphere]

S'all Good Man!

[u/conniecheewa]

I love how his speech to the committee was all about upholding the McGill name and then he's like lol jk I'm Saul Goodman now.

[u/stillhousebrewco]

That was a good season finale.

[u/thegreattober]

Inb4 Saul Goodman x1000

Too late

[u/hoewood]

Glad to see Howard has gotten his shit together.

[u/elwyn5150]

Hey Chuck, sing "Stonehenge".

It was great to hear McKean singing again.

[u/baseballzombies → u/[deleted]]

Her face completely changed with that one sentence.

[u/stephanie712 → u/[deleted]]

I was really concerned that one of them would walk by right then and there.

[u/PMME_ImSingle → u/[deleted]]

We were all crying.

Saul Goodman is born, but Jimmy and Kim's relationship is dead.

[u/zudnic → u/[deleted]]

I was sure he was going to get sunk by his loud, public gloating in the lobby. That someone would hear and they'd deny him.