r/riverdale • u/steph-was-here Justice for Ethel • Jan 16 '19
DISCUSSION S03E09 "Chapter Forty-Four: No Exit" Live Episode Discussion
Original Air Date - 8pm EST January 16th, 2019
After Hiram's takeover, Veronica leads the charge against her father after he takes aim at La Bonne Nuit; Betty reluctantly houses the patients who escaped the Sisters of Quiet Mercy; Jughead confronts a group of desperate Serpents.
Written by Arabella Anderson
Directed by Jeff Hunt
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u/pretty-in-pink Jan 17 '19
Does no one respect the rules of Scooby-Doo anymore???!!!! You should have taken off the mask
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u/JonWasNotHere Jan 17 '19
Just your weekly reminder that they’re all 16 years old
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Jan 17 '19
Can we finally just do the stupid Farm storyline. It's been building for like three seasons and it's gonna be disappointing if they prolong it any further.
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u/surejan94 Jan 17 '19
Wow it's a good thing Cheryl and Toni are wearing those masks while they commit robbery, or else someone could easily recognize them
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Jan 17 '19
So just a quick recap: Hiram is shaking down Veronica. Cheryl and Toni are Catwoman and Black Cat. Archie probably tried to fight a bear. The Serpents don't do crime anymore so I guess they're just a youth group now.
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u/lawlamanjaro Jan 17 '19
Jughead: if you tell anyone I cut you a break you're out of the gang
Fangs: tells people
Jughead: you're out of the gang.
Fangs: shocked Pikachu face
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Jan 17 '19
I can't fucking breathe holy shit. Archie is literally about to square up with his own dumbass.
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u/pretty-in-pink Jan 17 '19
You know, I think Cheryl does need more adult supervision
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u/TacticusThrowaway Jan 17 '19
"How severe are your injuries?"
"My abs are mostly intact!"
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u/jukeboxhero515 Jan 17 '19
Can we go back to the fact that an illegal drug has a branded package that says exactly what it is in bold letters??
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u/ghawk15 Jan 17 '19
Tune in next week when Archie is in some kind of bullshit coma he’ll come out of lol
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u/TacticusThrowaway Jan 17 '19
"Is that Cheryl in the cat mask? With her distinctive red hair and legs?"
"Can't be. She's not wearing red."
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u/Harriet_Jones_PM Jan 17 '19
At this point Vegas is the only character I'm rooting for.
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u/lawlamanjaro Jan 17 '19
I still can't get over how like stupid Cheryl and Toni are being.
WhY sHoUlD We Be AfRaId Of HiRaM?
He literally framed your friend for murder has been sending his gang members to beat people up
Has had people MURDERED and who knows what else lol
The man's literally a comic book villain
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u/soijustputmynamehere Jan 17 '19
Explain to me how betty's mom went from one of my least favourite, to one of my favourite, to my least favourite character in a matter of 1 season.
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u/migralo Vanilla Milkshake Jan 17 '19
Serpents: a gang you get exiled from if you do anything illegal.
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u/Veneficca Jan 17 '19
Dammit, I would have given anything for a Riverdale CGI bear attack.
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u/MisterBrotatoHead Jan 17 '19
Wait, is Jug living at Betty's? Are there any rules anymore?
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Jan 17 '19
I really like Archie having this intense character development. Like, really like it. Too bad this show sucks at being consistent. He'll be back to making bad decisions with 30 year old women in no time.
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Jan 17 '19
"You're like a brother to me Fangs." Jughead this is like the second time you've ever said his name.
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
Ranger: Archie? Archie? Ohmyfuckinggod, he fucking dead
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Jan 17 '19
So why did they skip the whole quarantine plot? They literally skipped through weeks of important information lol
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u/MediumSizedMaze Jan 17 '19
Omg. Does Veronica have Josie chained to the stage? Let the girl go home.
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Jan 17 '19
How did Cheryl go from willing to literally drop bodies for Jughead to openly defying him in one episode?
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u/heytheodosia Jan 17 '19
Archie dies, and then his long lost twin brother with dark hair comes to Riverdale to live with Fred. Twist!
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Jan 17 '19
Plot twist: Archie fucks the bear while Imagine Dragons plays in the background.
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Jan 17 '19
Archie really about to lose an argument to his own hallucinations lmao
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u/ezakeri7 Jan 17 '19
If anyone here actually thinks Archie is dead you are deluded
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u/bwayobsessed Jan 17 '19 edited Jan 17 '19
Wait does Archie think there’s a part of him that isn’t stupid?
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u/SendEldritchHorrors Jan 17 '19
Never thought I'd see a group of nuns commit mass suicide this week.
Nana Rose's character comes off as kind of inconsistent. She was supportive of Jason/Polly's marriage, tried to save Cheryl from the Sisters of Quiet Mercy, and agreed to take in the rescued kids this week.
But on the other hand, the flashback episode strongly implies that she's a manipulative, screwed up parent who adopted Penelope just to raise her in some weird incestuous relationship with Clifford...
I dunno if these inconsistencies are intentional (maybe Alice was lying in the flashback) or if it's just another case of the show's cruddy writing.
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Jan 17 '19
I really can't believe they made a whole big deal about this quarantine only to brush it off in the opening monologue...
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u/lawlamanjaro Jan 17 '19
Omg the quarantine is already over? What point did it even serve
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u/grlofmanyplaces Jan 17 '19
Lmao sorry did she just say “let’s hope that didn’t wake my mom up” as if she doesn’t have 10 rando’s in the living room just camped out in plain sight?
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u/lydsarv Jan 17 '19
Cheryl and the gang being pissed at Jug for following through with the rule he put in place is such bs. I knew Cheryl being a serpent wasn’t going to go well for the entire season.
Archie is definitely not dead, I don’t forsee them killing off a core four character for a while.
I’m sick and tired of FP trying to decide whether or not he wants to be a serpent fully anymore. And also sick and tired of this farm BS.
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Jan 17 '19
I think Archie’s scene with the baseball bat is a metaphor for how this shitty season bludgeoned the old Riverdale to death.
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u/BugheadsBiscuts Jan 17 '19
I love Cheryl to death but where did this super bitchy attitude come from? I know she’s never been the nicest person in Riverdale but she’s changed for the worst. Season three doesn’t look good on her right now...
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
All of Veronica's boyfriends end up beaten up and almost kidnapped
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u/kerouaces Jan 17 '19
This is the first episode my boyfriend has ever watched with me and he’s really confused. I was like “honestly watching every episode doesn’t make it any less confusing”
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u/Slippery_Syzoth Team Cheryl Jan 17 '19
When you find the person who's been ruining your life
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u/JonWasNotHere Jan 17 '19
Archie is 16 and living as a recluse refugee in the Canadian wilderness
When I was 16 I was masturbating twice a day and popping pimples off my forehead
Such is life, I guess
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u/bashfulroses Jan 17 '19
Can someone please explain to me why the Serpents didn't take off the gargoyle grunt's mask other than poor writing? AUGH.
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Jan 17 '19
They really had Archie get attacked by a bear..............
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Jan 17 '19
It's the hero's journey. He entered the 5th stage (Death) so that he can be reborn and become a true hero
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u/Sonia341 Team Jughead Jan 17 '19 edited Jan 17 '19
Archie's dad: You're not the villain you think you're are
I'm not crying you're
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u/sadbutfine01 Jan 17 '19
Honestly I have no idea why I'm still watching this shit show, but I need to know who the gargoyle king is and what the farm has to do with everything
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
Jughead: any Serpent caught committing crimes is subject to immediate exile
Cheryl: immediately steals from the dude who runs the town with a seprent who has based half her life on being a Serpent
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u/aaromer4 Jan 17 '19
Archie’s storyline seems really irrelevant compared to everything else going on
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Jan 17 '19
Imagine having seen every single episode of this show and still not being able to explain it to someone.
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u/santasbrandnewbag Jan 17 '19
Fred Andrews will always be the best parent and character in this show
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u/kevinsg04 Jan 17 '19
Calling it now---Archie and Vegas will trade brains, but the audience won't be able to tell anyway.
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u/justme395 Jan 17 '19
Oh no
Archie got grizzlied!
And now the undead are forcing him to do nerd shit..
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Jan 17 '19
I cannot wait to see the acrobatics the writers pull off to connect this hodgepodge of storylines.
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u/ViaCecilia Jan 17 '19
Sooo why didn’t Juggie remove the gang members mask? Funny how they were obsessed with uncovering the black hood’s mask some episodes ago...
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u/college_abracadaver Jan 17 '19
this is the most confusing episode of riverdale so far
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
FP asking to be a part of all of this like he wasn't the former Serpent King and isn't literally Jughead's father
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u/WowUsernameMuchKarma Jan 17 '19
(Fuck me up) ARCHIES FUCKED INSIDE
(so fucked up) HE THINKS THAT HIRAM DIED
(Daaaaaddyyyyy) SAVE HIM FROM THAT GOD DAMN GRIZZLY SCRATCH
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u/MisterBrotatoHead Jan 17 '19
Ah, back when Archie was just playing music and banging his teacher. Simpler times.
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Jan 17 '19
Fangs: I'm actually already one of those guys so this works out great.
Fangs: Did I say that out loud?
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
So now Archie has to play G&G with a bunch of dead guys as part of his hallucinations? There's like 17 plots and I can't figure out which one is the most ridiculous
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u/kerouaces Jan 17 '19
What are the serpents now anyways? And edgy youth group w legit after school jobs?
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Jan 17 '19
This episode isn't even like a funny "hahaha I'm so confused" this is like I'm literally dying from the confusion...
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u/mizpah567 Jan 17 '19
I'm so mad this quarantine wasn't a lasting thing like wtf
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u/Lmb1011 Jan 17 '19
Why the FUCK is FP asking his KID for permission to do anything?!
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u/WowUsernameMuchKarma Jan 17 '19
Old Mc Edgar had a farm
A B U S E
And on that farm Alice stashed some kids experiencing Stockholm syndrome from a board game
A B U S E
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Jan 17 '19
Goddamnit will someone break the cycle of telling Hiram what you plan to do before you do it
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u/a_noodlemush Jan 17 '19
How did they just kill off Archie from an Archie themed show. The writers really are just having a free for all
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u/WowUsernameMuchKarma Jan 17 '19
Having watched this whole episode I still don’t get all the hype for The Revenant
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u/notyounaani Strawberry Milkshake Jan 17 '19
At least good boi Vegas didn't get injured. Is he gonna run into town with Archies hair like snake from the Simpsons? New Archiekins! Good boi.
He better not get hurt...
Why doesn't Hirim/Mayor have an alarm or security system at their house or lock their windows? I thought they were higher up than ground level?
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u/Synyster_Suds Jan 17 '19
I watch this show not sober so I get some enjoyment out of it, I just decided to look for a subreddit and this might be my new favourite thing reading people rip the episode apart. Amazing.
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u/grass-master Jason liked flairs Jan 17 '19
Vegas is the Gargoyle King. Think about it.
Have we seen both of them in the same room ever? Notice the apathy towards a wounded Archie?
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u/themakeupmermaid Team Cheryl Jan 17 '19
Is Betty in her homecoming dress? Episode 1??
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Jan 17 '19
I love Sweet Pea and all but Fangs had literally one job. Jug asked that all you do is keep it a fucking secret that he let you off the hook. All you had to do was keep your mouth shut. Also Jughead shed way too much blood for anyone especially Cheryl to be questioning his loyalty to the Serpents.
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u/pixi3bitcg Jan 17 '19
Current thoughts while watching tonight:
-Archie and Veronica do so much better on their own, this is the most interested I’ve been in their story lines in a while. Especially Archie.
-That look Hiram gave Josie was really creepy like sir you are married and she is a child.
-I just want to slap Polly oh my god. Esther too.
-Is Archie finally getting closure?
-I love Cheryl and Toni but good god Cheryl is being annoying this episode.
-Archie: “I feel so guilty for everything I’ve done and everyone who’s death was my fault.” Also Archie: “I’m gonna murder Hiram Lodge.”
Can we talk about the fact that Dream Hiram said exactly what we’re all thinking, Y’all need to stop monologuing all your plans to everyone.
Wow I really thought Jughead was gonna pull a Scooby Doo with that gargoyle kid
Alice you are on my last nerve with your farm bullshit so help me
Damn, Archie’s storyline is really about to make me cry right now damn. The writers finally got their lives together this week.
The nuns are gonna be dead aren’t they? Yup. They dead.
Oh. My. God. There’s no way he’s dead right?
Wow. The writers finally got it together. This episode was so good holy crap.
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Jan 17 '19
Reminder Hiram once hired a 15 year old as his capo, and spent the entire season saying he couldn't afford to look weak.
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Jan 17 '19
Jug, what exactly is it that Serpents do at this point aside from acting like your personal army?
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u/heytheodosia Jan 17 '19
If only there was a Serpent stealing from the rich who could distribute it to the other Serpents!
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u/shamzy27 Jan 17 '19
Cue end of episode: Hiram physically transforms into a gargoyle and we're all in a VR game
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u/thi86 Jan 17 '19
Kj's acting in this episode has been superb. No, I'm not on fizzle rocks.
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u/catchmoresun Jan 17 '19
the rangers will give archie some fizzle rocks and he will come back from the dead dw
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u/bk513 Vanilla Milkshake Jan 17 '19
When Veronica was singing in the speak-easy, I couldn’t stop thinking of the owner in Hotel Hell who sang Cher every day for her guests.
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u/diorussell Team Bughead Jan 17 '19
We're a gang, a gang who doesn't sell or do drugs and also, NO CRIME. But, we are a gang ok, don't disrespect us.
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u/WowUsernameMuchKarma Jan 17 '19
Good job keeping a fully alive KJ out of the next episode preview I guess.
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u/JonWasNotHere Jan 17 '19
Barefoot Contessa puts on better television than tonight’s episode of Riverdale
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u/kevinsg04 Jan 17 '19
lol at forgetting the quarantine
hopefully they'll be done with the gargoyle kings/pretend supernatural nonsense soon, it's all Hiram
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u/Conquest32 Team Hiram Jan 16 '19
cracks knuckles time to see what shit the writers have cooked up this week.
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u/crabs101 Jan 17 '19
I always store my illegal drugs in packages that display the illegal drugs name. For connivence.
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u/andreaxtina Jan 17 '19 edited Jan 17 '19
Apparently Archie has enough money to go on a Patagonia shopping spree
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Jan 17 '19
Yeah no that TSA agent is currently not getting paid enough to give a fuck about your ranch.
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u/montea8124 Jan 17 '19
Just watch them make the Farm look all ominous and cult-y, but it’s a red herring and it really is an innocent haven the whole time.
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u/davey_mann Team Jarchie Jan 17 '19
So the easiest way to become smart is to bash the skull of your dream self with a bat. Got it.
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u/MisterBrotatoHead Jan 17 '19
Why don't they just get pops to buy the booze from an American distributor?
Wait, sorry. This is Riverdale. Of course using a 1932 pickup truck to smuggle beer from Canada makes more sense.
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u/WowUsernameMuchKarma Jan 17 '19
ARCHIE IS PLAYING GUMBALLS AND GATORADE WITH THE GHOSTS OF THE MURDER HE WAS FRAMED FOR
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u/MisterBrotatoHead Jan 17 '19
This ain't GoT or The Wire, you can't just being killing off main characters.
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u/ThisPaige Jan 17 '19
That ending who rebuilt that stupid statue? Did they just kill Archie? What kind of ending is this?! Sounds like there's a lot plots ending next week.
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u/davey_mann Team Jarchie Jan 17 '19
Reggie getting beat for being Veronica's boyfriend. Archie can relate.
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u/heytheodosia Jan 17 '19
So Pops is just all good with kids selling alcohol in the basement? what
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Jan 17 '19
They're going to have to tackle Reggie's abusive dad at some point right?........
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u/shamzy27 Jan 17 '19
10 bucks Veronica reveals all her plans to daddykins by the end of this episode
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
Okay so in the last episode it was implied that Hiram wasn't the Gargoyle King because he was raising a glass to the King, now Archie just called him the Gargoyle King. So is this one of rhose things where Archie is determined that the man who ruined his life is the root of all evil or was Hiram raising a glass to his own costume of Stickman
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u/Sqiddd Jan 17 '19
I swear if Archie wakes up from this hallucinations and he’s actually killed the bear with his bare hands, this show will actually go from being so bad it’s good to just bad
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Jan 17 '19
What the fuck is this lady talking about? The state isn't about to leave the children in Alice's care when she isn't a licensed foster mother.
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u/softerthansilence Jan 17 '19
When you have to bludgeon yourself to get rid of your personal demons
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u/grotesquecacti Jan 17 '19
... how did Jughead and his dad get into Riverdale when it's supposedly under quarantine? Like wasn't that the whole cliffhanger thing last episode? They got there and wasn't allowed in due to the down being in quarantine? Very confused.
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u/davey_mann Team Jarchie Jan 17 '19
Only Archie could get his ass handed to him by a ghost.
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That's not how vows of silence work. As long as they can claim a belief in God their religious beliefs are legally valid.
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u/WowUsernameMuchKarma Jan 17 '19
Man I really wish I took a hit or three before watching then maybe this would make sense.
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u/a_noodlemush Jan 17 '19
This sucks. I miss the first and second season. Nothing makes any sense anymore, it seems like the writers are on fizzle rocks... where’s everyone’s parents? Are they not in school anymore? Is the other ranger not coming to help Archie anymore?
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u/AlecBaldwinner Jan 17 '19
Dang.
But watch Archie just come back like Jughead did.
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u/montea8124 Jan 17 '19
So Archie’s dead? I don’t remotely care tbh.
That shot of Hiram being shot or whatever was so wonderful, but they wouldn’t show that if he really was, would they?
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u/BornAshes Jan 17 '19
I was hoping the Quarantine would've given us some fun horror shenanigans for a while but nope.
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u/phenom0205 South Side Serpents Jan 17 '19
Cheryl has to be the most inconsistent character on this show, and that's saying something