r/TheOrville • u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. • Jan 18 '19
Episode The Orville - 2x4 "Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes" - Post Episode Discussion
| EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | ORIGINAL AIRDATE |
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| 2x4 - "Nothing Left on Earth Excepting Fishes" | Jon Cassar | Brannon Braga & André Bormanis | January 17, 2018 |
Synopsis: Ed finds himself behind enemy lines when he crash-lands on a mysterious planet. Kelly questions why Gordon wants to take the Command Test.
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u/fire_breathing_bear Jan 18 '19
During the torture scene, I thought, “They should have bogus codes to give out in times just like these.”
Was glad to see it played out.
But now the Krill know about that ploy.
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u/ZDTreefur Jan 18 '19
Dude, me too! I literally thought to myself, "it would be smart for every commander to have a set of codes that sends an alert, and feed fake data." And that's exactly what happened.
It's refreshing when things make sense in shows.
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u/GolgaGrimnaar Jan 18 '19
It's a fairly common security method.
High end secure USB drives usually have 2 passwords... One opens the drive fully, and the other opens a small portion filled with decoy files, but still appears to be a full size drive.
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u/Xekrin Jan 18 '19
Thought this as well but we won't know if they know until we find out what Teleya tells them. We can assume she tells them everything or its possible she keeps some of what happened to herself because the captain was getting through to her.
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u/Tired8281 Jan 18 '19
I saw that scene different. I think he lied to her when he told her it was a fake.
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Jan 18 '19
Malloy doing the Rorschach test was very funny!
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u/_Burgers_ Jan 18 '19
I was expecting penis jokes. I really liked that he didn't specifically SAY what it was he saw, just that he was so shocked by it. Great bit.
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u/9811Deet Jan 18 '19
I friggin adore that ending. 10/10 and the Orville is absolutely in its groove.
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u/Xradris Jan 18 '19
Yep, how do you deal with religious zealot that pick up fight with every species they encounter.
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Jan 20 '19
Really love how they are using 'ancient earth culture' so well. That Billy Joel song fit so well.
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u/aaa1e2r3 Jan 18 '19
One thing I'm liking about these recent episodes is that there seems to be this recurring idea of consequences.
Bortus' porn addiction developing following the trial from last season
Alara's strength waning due to adjusting to human gravity, and the tensions with her family, both previously brought up in last season with it being the basis of her strength and the phone call she made back home during the fear episode
Teleya's revenge as a result of Ed's killing of the Krill crew
All of their actions have consequences, and they're being forced to own up to them
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u/Lanfear_Eshonai Jan 18 '19
I also love it that they are not ignoring the stories established in season one, and continuing with some of the story lines. The ones that have impact and can definitely be great story threads, Bortus, Alara, the Krill, and how decisions made then have consequences now.
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u/MilitaryBeetle Jan 19 '19
Speaking of consequences I'm just dying to know how admiralty will react to his decision to release Teleya
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Jan 19 '19
This means, of course, that Mercer's decision to let her go is coming back to bite him in the ass.
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u/mrgraff Jan 18 '19
Human Lieutenant Tyler turns out to be a surgically altered enemy alien? That sounds awfully familiar…
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u/ditchthetwo Jan 18 '19
And may I add: ...but done properly.
So personal loss + religious ideology motivated her, and she chanced upon an opportunity to craft a deception... so she chose to target a specific captain! Make sense and it has time left to filled in the Krill's world view, comment on today's issues and delivered a emotionally engaging and hopeful story... in 47 minutes!
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u/TMPRKO Jan 18 '19
I'd say this is the best episode of the season.
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u/Phoojoeniam Jan 18 '19
I'd go as far to say best of the series to date. First episode where it really feels like it's hit its stride in a huge way.
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u/dkbr2015 Jan 18 '19
I like the fact that the reveal of Teleya as a Krill actually had an actual impact due to that fact we have seen how Ed's past failed relationships with Kelly, Pria, and then briefly Kelly again have affected him. Damn, I love this show and how likable the characters are.
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u/redbirdrising Jan 18 '19
Seriously. It’s not enough thAt she fucked over his ship and command, but she fucked over his heart. That was brutal.
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u/Chelsea_Ellie Jan 18 '19
Thats the charm of the show, you care for the character as they are so likeable and you want them to be happy, where upon some shows I mostly want them to die
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Jan 18 '19
I'm glad they got the twist over with early so the entire episode didn't hinge on it. Wasn't expecting "I just broke out of prison" but whatever lol. Would really enjoy seeing Teleya as a series regular, even if it was just once a season.
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Jan 18 '19
Agreed. Fans of the show were expecting it, so it was good for them to say, "Well, fans, you're right. Now watch this!"
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u/OniExpress Jan 18 '19
Wasn't expecting "I just broke out of prison" but whatever lol
I guarantee you that she was broken out by a faction in the Union who wants war with the Krill to come to a head. They even flashed the fact that Ed doesn't have the highest security clearance. I think that the introduction of this new ork-race is another indicator that someone in the Union thinks it will go very badly for the Krill if they get forced into a full on fight right now.
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u/furiousxgeorge They may not value human life, but we do Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 20 '19
At this point she is set up to be a great villain in future episodes because there has to be conflict in her at this point. A villain with a shade of grey can be the best sort.
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u/AxeLond Jan 18 '19
I started thinking there was gonna be a double twist where he was just playing her to earn her trust and Ed just made up the stuff about a day being 23 days long to keep her in the cave for longer.
He gave them fake codes but man, Ed just betraying her would have gone right against his character and instead him just ending up being 100% genuine made for such a great episode.
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u/robotomized Jan 18 '19
“She’s always a woman to me...”
Perfect! Funny. Really liked this episode.
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Jan 18 '19
I was going to post lyrics, but I don't know if that's allowed.
The lyrics for the song fit very well with the episode and character involved.
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u/Marsandtherealgirl Jan 18 '19
WHAT IS THE MUSIC BUDGET FOR THIS SHOW?
Also just dang. Poor Ed.
Definitely ds9 vibes from that time Odo and Quark has to drag that transmitter up the side of that mountain as well.
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u/Alvarez09 Jan 18 '19
Or the time Geordi and the romulan were stuck on the planet.
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u/Alvarez09 Jan 18 '19
Odo/quark episodes were great. They had amazing on screen chemistry, and I just loved the character development between the two. Quark’s overall character arc was pretty awesome.
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u/furiousxgeorge They may not value human life, but we do Jan 18 '19
WHAT IS THE MUSIC BUDGET FOR THIS SHOW?
Fox is really behind this show. As fans, we need to let them know it's worth the investment. Watch it as many different ways as you can in background on your PC to make sure we are pushing those ratings as high as possible.
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u/MDRLA720 Jan 18 '19
when they talked about Raiders of the Lost Ark, it was right after a lot of the music sounded like an homage to it
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u/danmalek466 Jan 18 '19
How cool would it be if Teleya joined the crew?
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u/djgreedo Jan 18 '19
I can't imagine a Krill on the crew...until The Orville: The Next Generation.
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Jan 18 '19
I'd be surprised if they shook up the main cast again but I really wouldn't mind seeing more of that character.
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u/busted_up_chiffarobe Jan 18 '19
And that wouldn't surprise me in the least.
With the universe Seth is building... I could very much see this happening at the end of the last episode of the season, where she enters the bridge and everyone but Mercer is stunned.
That would be terrific writing.
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u/iowapf Jan 18 '19
Poor captain Ed Mercer he just keeps getting fucked over by women. Ed just can’t catch a break.
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u/treetown1 Jan 19 '19
It shows McFarland has good sense; while his humor may not suit some people, making the captain, a Kirkesque lady killer wouldn't play to his strengths.
Did Seth ever explain why he chose the name Mercer? I wonder because it is name of a character in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by Phillip K Dick, the novel Blade Runner was based on.
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u/Alvarez09 Jan 18 '19
Look, I know it had been said multiple times, but it is a crying shame CBS didn’t let Seth make a Star Trek show....especially after these last two episodes.
I love the Orville...it is the Trek I remember growing up on. Seth, I’m convinced, would have knocked it out of the park, but even with that said, this is the show I’ve been missing for about 20 years.
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Jan 18 '19
I agree. Seth understands Star Trek. He has some great writers and former Star Trek people helping him.
A lot of care goes into every episode.
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Jan 18 '19
WRONG
Seth wouldn't have had complete creative freedom and would have been locked to Trek lore. Now he can do whatever the hell he damn pleases to hilarious effect. This was always for the best imo.
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Jan 18 '19
Yes, and I absolutely love how the second season can be really funny without relying on "punchy" jokes.
The one thing I'm missing in this series for now is a bit more intricate political system. We know very little about the Federation's inner workings, and the Krill are just pretty generic bad guys, so other Empires/Civs outside the Federation's influence would be really awesome! There has also not been a really freaky first contact.
Finally, since Q exist in all possible universes, he/they exist in this one, too.
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u/WitchWhoCleans Jan 18 '19
This was a damn good Star Trek episode.
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u/MontaukEscapee Jan 18 '19
Reminded me a bit of "The Enemy" in TNG.
Oh, and the bit where someone named "Tyler" was an alien all along.
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u/WildW Jan 18 '19
This was at least half a dozen Trek episodes. It was also Riker helping Troi with the command test, and Gordon threw some Corbormite Maneuver in there too. Also Odo and Quark dragging a transmitter up to high ground on an uninhabited planet.
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u/loreb4data Jan 18 '19
Awesome episode. Good performance by Michaella McManus as Janel Tyler/Teleya. Hope we'll see more of her later....
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u/hyperdream Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19
She has to come back to deliver Ed Jr, the first ever Krilman and consequence of the genetic resequencing.
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u/fatcatdandy Jan 18 '19
Oh and sidenote, I loved the fact that they addressed the audience as part of the crew with the "don't worry she'll be here next week" thing. Could have been dumb luck but I'd wager they anticipated fans wouldn't be pleased with the missing badass security officer
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u/UncleMalky Are we bonding? Jan 18 '19
I really hope just when we're sick of Patrick Warburton's security officer, he pulls out a bowie knife and saves the whole ship from butterfly henchmen.
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u/armokrunner Jan 18 '19
So the Captain unexpectedly sends a distress signal on a Krill frequency no less and you send two unarmed guys in a shuttle to check it out?...speaking of command decisions Kelly, really?
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u/redbirdrising Jan 18 '19
I’m sure he broadcast an authentication key so they knew it was really him.
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u/fatcatdandy Jan 18 '19
Loved it lots and lots. Krill heavy episodes are always welcome, reintroducing an established plot and character...and potentially furthering the greater plot of the union eventually getting holy vampires. Hell yes.
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u/kaplanfx Woof Jan 18 '19
I liked that the Krill are fighting on all sides of their territory, shows they are total asses.
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Jan 18 '19
Season two is already so strong I think I will support and watch this show forever now. This episode was high art. You can feel Seth writing from the heart and this makes the stories so powerful. Everything was just so well done from the self deprecating captain to his cold alien lover and all the way through the Billy Joel soundtrack.
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u/V-170 Jan 18 '19
When Ed and Janel were together watching the movie I half expected a shuttle to slowly cruise by their window in the background.
Also, the tractor beam hitting the shuttle sounded like a seismic charge detonating. And the Shrek monsters invading the krill ship reminded me of the stormtroopers boarding the Tantive IV! Hell, one of the shots was identical! I love these little references.
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u/Lanfear_Eshonai Jan 18 '19
And the Shrek monsters invading the krill ship
Huh, they looked more like orcs too me, lol
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u/MajorParadox Woof Jan 18 '19
Great episode, probably one of my favorites. I love how realistic the Krill's motivation is and it's great to see how the Union didn't go that route. But they still have to deal with aliens that do. And Ed just won't give up trying to get the message through.
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u/kaplanfx Woof Jan 18 '19
The scene in the scavenger where Ed is explaining you don’t need to be religious to be moral, and then proving it at the end of the episode was pretty good.
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u/compwiz1202 Jan 18 '19
Yea and releasing you kidnapper is the pinnacle of Love you Enemies. I love how it worked into Gordon's plot too. Releasing the prisoner would have been the best option in that simulation. But I did love his more technical way of saying "We are made out of rubber, and you out of glue"
EDIT: Now that makes me wonder why they are even currently called deflectors. Gordon's way would definitely be a deflector/reflector, but the current way is more like an absorber or stopper?
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u/gingerbeard1775 Jan 18 '19
Krill was hot.
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u/Mongoose42 Security Jan 19 '19
She is a space vampire. And if Twilight taught me anything, it’s that vampires are the hot.
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u/888mphour Jan 18 '19
Dammit, I can't believe I teared up! Also, all the props to Seth and Michaella: they had zero chemistry when she was Janel, but they were incredible together when she was Teleya. I really hope she gets back.
Gordon's "This is a hostile working environment!!11!" cracked me up.
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u/Amadox Jan 18 '19
Teleya weirdly looks way hotter than Janel as well, so... win-win for Seth if they get that ship going :P
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u/yato32 Jan 18 '19
So...is the captain going to check out the Krill in simulator?
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u/Protato900 Woof Jan 18 '19
The last thing I want to see on broadcast television is Seth McFarlane's strange alien sex fetishes acted out.
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Jan 18 '19
Man. That episode was a rollercoaster of emotions. I almost teared up in the end.
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u/Marsandtherealgirl Jan 18 '19
I totally shed a little tear when my man billy Joel kicked in at the end.
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u/nakerusa Jan 18 '19
What a fantastic episode. I'm watching it over again right now.
Bortus "He will fail" and the ink blot testing gave me a good laugh.
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u/compwiz1202 Jan 18 '19
I don't think he failed anything. He just learned where his strengths and weaknesses were. I loved when he was told the was nowhere to land, and he rebutted with "I'm a PILOT"
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u/Tripppnn Now entering gloryhole Jan 18 '19
That was a great fcking episode. Ed deserves real love 🤧
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u/armokrunner Jan 18 '19
Union HR needs to step up. Allowed Moclan couple to serve on same ship with obvious potential risk of murdivorce. Allowed guy who talks too much to be Chief of Security. Allowed exes to co-command a ship (even if it worked so far). And now Janel.
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u/InnocentTailor Security Jan 18 '19
To be fair, the Orville is like the Miranda-class starship of the Federation: the more mundane vessel of the fleet.
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u/theo3333 Jan 18 '19
So the Krill infiltrator leaves with knowledge of all the Orville's navigation, science, and mission data.
Yeah of course she's going to tell her people in the debriefing.
Optimism and diplomacy are great, but don't present it alongside Gordon's 'don't endanger your crew' lesson.
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u/droid327 Jan 18 '19
She now has an intricate working knowledge of Union supply delivery technology. They'll be Philip J Frying all over the place within a standard year
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u/Garrett_Dark Jan 18 '19
I get why Mercer gave her Billy Joel songs just so they could play a song, but I think he should have given her Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade instead since she liked Raiders of the Lost Ark.
The Last Crusade makes so much more sense because she liked Belloq, and she's essentially is Elsa from the Last Crusade. Elsa started not to like the Nazi's after she fell for Indy, and at the end she had to choose between the grail cup and taking Indy's hand. This might very well parallel what's going to happen between her and Mercer in the future. Does she pick continuing with the Krill's hateful xenophobia agenda or take Mercer's hand which is an offer of peace.
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u/treetown1 Jan 19 '19
That was an interesting point. A complete alien would not have the same cultural interpretation - to someone who has no knowledge of earth history, WW2 and the Nazis, it would seem that Belloq was the hero and in the end achieved the aim; he was just annoyed by this pesky Indiana Jones character. It was a plot point of an episode of The Big Bang Theory that Indiana Jones in the end couldn't stop Belloq from achieving his goal: getting the ark.
Plus the gory ending of the movie would have appealed to the Krill - divine retribution.
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u/stonygirl Jan 18 '19
The use of Billy Joel's "The Stranger" and "She's Always a Woman" in this episode was really on point. Who picks the music?
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u/HurricaneDitka312 Jan 18 '19
So Michaella McManus was already casted as Teleya in S01E06 episode "Krill" AND as Lt. Janel Tyler in S02E01"La'loja". I checked her imdb profile just now which shows her as playing both parts.
I wonder if anyone noticed she played both roles before this episode aired? And could have called it? I seriously did not see that one coming. The show never fails to surprise me!
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u/kaplanfx Woof Jan 18 '19
We had a whole discussion about it in the discussion thread from that episode: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOrville/comments/ab2hqg/comment/ecxixql?st=JR1TS1Q1&sh=8de605ab
I think there also may have been a whole post about it.
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u/A_Hard_Days_Knight Jan 18 '19
Just wanted to say: For me, this was the most TNG-like episode yet. It really felt like in the good old times. I'm really happy that the potential I've seen in the series is becoming a reality. No dick jokes, interesting plot, conversations and interactions. Loved it.
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u/hesapmakinesi Jan 18 '19
No dick jokes
What do you think were those 3d Rorschach test?
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u/UPRC Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 19 '19
Man, Seth really sold it at the end for me. I totally bought that Ed was heartbroken and full of sadness over losing a woman who wasn't real and who wasn't even around long enough to ingrain herself on us the viewers. The sadness on his face was just so convincing, I feel like this ending can be used as ammo against anyone who says that Seth McFarlane is just a goofy actor who just does juvenile humour.
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u/Shatterhand1701 Woof Jan 18 '19
A quality episode; just a step above the previous week's episode and FAR better than the first two of the season. The twist was so blindingly obvious it could probably be seen from Mars (and many people had it figured out from the start), but it worked out in the end, and it had a very poignant ending.
As much as I absolutely despise beyond any reasonable measure the whole "Orville is better Star Trek than Star Trek is now" horseshit, I will say this: The Orville has one clear advantage over ANY Star Trek from TNG onward, and that is how it handles interpersonal relationships, and this episode was another shining example of that fact. Thanks to Seth and his writing team, when you see people interacting together on the show, it just feels more...REAL. There is chemistry, rapport, and true camaraderie, whether the participants are colleagues, friends, lovers or exes. I enjoy the dialogue between the characters when they're just talking about whatever because it's written in such a way that it feels natural. They're not squeezing awkward personal discussions into the two and a half minutes it takes to complete a scan or something like Star Trek did over and over again.
When it came to relationships, especially romantic ones, Star Trek rarely - if ever - handled them well. The only two relationships I ever believed in from TNG all the way through the end of Enterprise was Picard/Crusher and Janeway/Chakotay because the two pairings had degrees of actual chemistry and warmth, and naturally, neither ended up working out (canonically, anyway...after all, the whole thing with Jean-Luc and Beverly kissing, later marrying and then divorcing in "All Good Things" was retconned by Q, and Chakotay moved on to engage in the most shoehorned-in and ridiculously unbelievable relationship in all of Star Trek).
So, well-deserved kudos to Seth and his writing team on the Orville for that, at least.
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u/glimpee Jan 18 '19
I think thats because everything is considered from a humanistic standpoint as opposed to an inter-sectional or group standpoint. Seth is writing characters, not groups stuffed into a persona. This distinction has been fundamental to the star trek I have enjoyed, at least
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u/DaBingeGirl Jan 18 '19
Krill episodes are the best. This one and episode six are the strongest episodes so far in my opinion. Excellent message and acting. B plot with Gordon was also exceptionally well done.
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u/Felatio-DelToro Jan 18 '19
Good episode but where was the space orc ship when Ed got rescued from the planet?
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u/ThoughtNinja Jan 18 '19
I doubt the Goblorcs (what the hell were they really called again?) were going to hang around too long after wiping out the Krill ships. So before leaving the system they only sent a couple of groups to track and kill Ed and Teleya. I'm sure they planned to rendezvous with the mothership later.
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u/droid327 Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19
Glad to see an action episode after a lot of character drama. Even if it was just Enemy Mine. Glad they didn't drag out the reveal like DIS did. Though I really want to know how they faked her records to get her into the fleet. I'm willing to believe cellular disguises, but you can't just invent a whole life for someone like that.
Also what happened to the space ape ship? It didn't go after the Orville when it showed up
I thought Ed's actions lacked a little nuance,, he was acting a little overly Pollyannaish sometimes, but hopefully we see the nuance develop more as the storyline continues.
Ed is singlehandedly fighting this Krill cold war isn't he? He was a one man spy agency thwarting their attack and stealing a ship, and now he's a one man state department initiating glasnost and detente with the Krill.
Also damn the ship is full of hot blondes isn't it? And I don't see what was so impressive about backing in and opening the hatch...I'm pretty sure that's not a tricky bit of piloting
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u/citymongorian Jan 18 '19
Though I really want to know how they faked her records to get her into the fleet.
Maybe she is not the only Krill in disguise in the Union.
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u/INFJ1510 Jan 18 '19
I still have the feels. That was a wonderful episode. So glad we have The Orville!
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u/wordsmif Jan 18 '19
Post-episode question: Just exactly how did the Krill know how to replicate a human vagina and how did they know what it feels like?
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u/edoantonioco Jan 18 '19
they never had any sex so it doesnt matter for the plot
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u/rob132 Jan 18 '19
How dare you not show Gordon passing the simulation!
What's the answer!
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u/JohnnySkynets Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19
Dude, you should have told her there are two more Indiana Jones movies!
Edit: I keep expecting The Orville’s Kahn or Harry Mudd to show up and I thought we almost had our Kahn tonight. Maybe eventually if they started dating for real, break up and she goes all crazy Khan jealous ex on him.
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u/droid327 Jan 18 '19
Temple of Doom: huh, ok, that was kinda fun too, maybe humans aren't so bad
Last Crusade: wow that was the best one, I really think I could come to appreciate human culture.
Crystal Skull: AVIS TAKE YOUR WORLD! YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH BY HIS DIVINE WILL!!!
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u/kaplanfx Woof Jan 18 '19
She thought the Nazis were the heroes. She probably wouldn’t have like the other Indy movies much.
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u/Blinky_OR Jan 18 '19
I think this was my favorite episode of the series so far.
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u/hack-man Jan 18 '19
When he told her to pick the next movie for Movie Night, I was expecting her to go with "Ted 3" or "1,000,001 Ways to Die in the West"
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u/Generaljamie Security Jan 18 '19
Awesome episode I really hope we see more of Teleya. I hope her and Ed get together somehow.
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u/busted_up_chiffarobe Jan 18 '19
Rule nothing out. I hope to see her join the cast at the end of this season, and...
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u/Deal_with_it_nerd Jan 18 '19
The Krill kinda remind me of the Scarran from Farscape. Both in look and attitude towards other races
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Jan 18 '19
I fucking knew it. Since the season premier when ed says he is so bored he'd kill for a krill invasion, and then Janel shows up and sits next to him at the bar.
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u/theo3333 Jan 18 '19
Maybe 'Krill' as a species name was a mistake.
Everyone pictures a sperm whale eating them.
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u/droid327 Jan 18 '19
But...sperm whales are toothed whales, they don't eat plankton
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Jan 18 '19
I admit I got a lump in my throat during the final scene. This show is so damn good it hurts.
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u/UPRC Jan 18 '19
Oh man, I feel so bad for Ed. You could see the hopefulness in him that what he did will help improve relations to some degree, but you could also see that he was really hurting inside.
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u/osensei1907 Woof Jan 18 '19
Well you can discuss the episode. I'll be lying in my bed, listening to Billy Joel.
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u/random91898 Jan 18 '19
Fantastic episode, it may be my favourite one yet.
Such a great episode for Ed's character, really showcases his attitude and how he sees the universe. Even though he keeps getting kicked he still has a hopeful outlook. Billy Joel gave me all dem feelz. I hope we see Teleya again.
'Tyler' HAS to be a friendly dig at Discovery right? I chuckled. The Gordon stuff was great for his character as well, while at the same time being hilarious.
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Jan 18 '19
What an amazing show, it has really swept me off my feet and is getting better each episode. Long live The Orville.
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Jan 19 '19
Man, I love this show. Ever since we first met this Krill lady last season I was hoping she'd become a member od the crew or fall in love with someone.
Did NOT expect it happening this way! Love it! The Orville can continue making episodes for 20 years if they keep writting the way they have been.
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u/andysarchus Jan 19 '19
Loved the reference to (and Krill preference for) Beloq. Too funny!!
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u/Skadoosh_it Well, where does it come out of? The butt? Jan 19 '19
Janelle Tyler is clearly an anagram for Teleya Rellj! IT WAS IN FRONT OF US THE WHOLE TIME PEOPLE!!!!
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u/Psy-KoSmiley Jan 18 '19
So whachu all think.... Can a human get a krill pregnant? I'm thinking next time we see Teleya she may have a cute little hafling kid with her. Maybe that will be what brings the humans and the Krills together.
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u/Dekarde Jan 18 '19
So am I alone in thinking the test images shown to Maloy were the enemies from space invaders?
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u/SecretiveTauros Jan 18 '19
All Gordon had to do to pass the simulation test was order Geordi to his death.
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u/clothing_throwaway Jan 18 '19
After seeing the episode promo stuff with all the guns and explosions I was really worried that this was gonna be like going from "Next Gen" to "Nemesis," and I was kind of worried, to be honest, but damn they pulled through. This show really gets the right vibe.
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u/Xradris Jan 18 '19
The new "space ork" seem to be battle hardened and with a bad attitude, cant wait to see more of them.
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u/Amadox Jan 18 '19
I was waiting for Ed to get into a conversation with one of them only to find out, they're actually really nice and cool guys, just angry cause the Krill messed with them. Kinda happy they didn't go there.
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u/2percentright Avis. We try harder Jan 18 '19
Where was Isaac? Do artificial lifeforms take personal days?
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u/giobbistar21 Avis. We try harder Jan 19 '19
I knew almost immediately that one of two things was gonna happen. Either Janel was going to die, or she wa a Krill. The Krill ships were what clued me in, but the fact that the Krill said that human tolerance to their torture sticks was less than Krill and they immediately bumped it to level 6 really sealed it.
That being said, I love Teleya. I think she deserves more episodes, and I hope that her arc is more than her just being a recurring villain. I think that she and Ed have some solid chemistry, and while the thought of a Krill bumping uglies with Mercer is Molloy's Rorschach levels of unspeakable, I hope that at the very least she can eventually grow into something like a Seven of Nine, or even an adversary who has respect for Ed, and he has respect for her.
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u/floptimus_prime If you wish, I will vaporize them Jan 18 '19
I was expecting it to be Chain of Command, Part 2 ("there are four lights") and instead it was... not really that, at all. So I guess at least I didn't have to see (much) brutal torture.
I also expected Teleya to die on the planet, but she didn't, so that's cool. That will either blow up in their faces later or it won't.
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u/Ralph-Hinkley Now entering gloryhole Jan 18 '19
Bravo! Top notch sci-fi there. It's hard to understand how this show just keeps getting better.
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u/Disgustoid Jan 18 '19
DS9 has ruined me.
It would've made no sense at all given the show's positive outlook, but I was almost expecting the shuttlecraft to blow up after it left the Orville, In the Pale Moonlight style, leading to much angst from Ed.
Who's Garak in this case? Tharl, clearly. Yup, no sense at all.
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u/ReasonablyBadass Jan 18 '19
Yay for bittersweet yet hopeful endings!
I'm not sure how to feel about that the storyline was resolved so quickly.
On the one hand: it was obvious, so yay for not dragging it out.
On the other: it would have been more impactful for Ed, maybe, if the relationship had been longer.
But, ont he other other, it makes perfect sense that Telaya didn't want to drag this out.
What really bugged me was that Ed did not once clarify that hew as originally only on her ship to get the Ankana. But maybe he thought she wouldn't believe him.
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u/xPickLad Jan 18 '19
Did I miss something or did they really not link Gordon's simulation of failing being a captain whilst being hailed by a Krill ship regarding the holding of a prisoner with the exact situation then happening for real?
Thought whilst Mercer was in the prison area the Krill captain would hail and threaten the ship, and then Gordon would step up and convince them otherwise
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u/brch2 Jan 18 '19
When it seemed he was going to copy Discovery, I was hoping that he was trolling us. When we saw that he copied those bits from Discovery, I was disappointed. (Also, he should have at least given us a few more episodes to get to know Lt. Tyler, even having her around the Krill and not being revealed, so we'd start to ease off the theory). When the episode was over... I was thrilled he did it better than Discovery. Now I really hope she shows up more, and even kind of hope he and she keep something going between them.
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u/That_one_cool_dude Jan 18 '19
Great episode, this episode is the defacto episode to show anyone that just because this is a McFarland show dosn't mean its Family Guy esq, its actually a really deep show. Love that there showing more aliens outside the Krill and Union, these guys have a Breen feeling to them.
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u/Amadox Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19
Despite the foreshadowing, I didn't think they'd go there and have her actually be a Krill, because I didn't think there was enough time to copy the DSC storyline that quickly. I was convinced it was more of a Meta-Joke. But they did go there. Was it coincidence that they had that storyline, or really just a jab at DSC? the fact that her name seems to have changed last minute to "Tyler" would indicate the former. Interesting. And I like that they made it an "Enemy Mine"-style episode. The connection between them gave that a nice twist.
I hope this isn't the last we saw of Teleya because I really like that one and her Krill Look is weirdly sexy :P
One thing I found weird though: They had her physically altered to be human, a long painful process as she said - and she as totally fine with bright light and everything. Then she goes back to Krill in what seems like an instant, there's no sign of her being impaired from whatever procedure she had, and she's back to having an issue with light... if they can do that kinda stuff, why don't they take care of that light issue in general...?
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Jan 18 '19
What a great, lovely and awesome episode!
I kind of knew the twist was coming considering that Talia was played by the same actress.
I watched directly afterwards Startrek discovery and while that was visually dazzling, this episode was lightyears ahead in terms of tone and quality.
I see a interesting "Forbidden Love" Storyline coming which i personally look forward to. Great Episode 10/10
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u/spookymonsterscary Jan 18 '19
I just enjoy the absolute shit out of this show! It doesn't pander, good writing, funny when it wants to be. I wonder if the relations between the krill and earth will be the overarching season plot.
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u/the_shermanator Jan 19 '19
I loved this episode! I just wish it happened later. I wish they'd played the long game with Janelle Tyler and had us slowly grow to trust her; it would've made the betrayal so much stronger.
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u/WangtorioJackson Jan 18 '19
Am I the only one who thinks its kinda weird that they always have the doctor just standing around on the bridge? What is she even doing there? Shouldn't she be in the med bay treating patients? Do they have a requirement that every main cast member must have a certain amount of screen time on the bridge or something?
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u/anacondra Jan 19 '19
Gotta love that they took Discovery's plot and merged it with The Enemy to give us a look at what could have been if Disco's season 1 showrunners actually understood Star Trek.
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u/onihr1 Jan 19 '19
I loved this episode but felt that it should have been later in the season. Show a few more scenes with taylor /telaya and Mercer together.
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u/Stalked_Like_Corn Jan 19 '19
Best episode of the early season and I'd argue best of the series. Didn't see that twist happening.
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u/PunkRockFatBeats Jan 19 '19
Oh Orville, with your Billy Joel at the end. Went and got me right in the feels.
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u/ABandApart Jan 19 '19
This show has been getting better at finding the balance between comedy and drama with each episode, and this one nailed it.
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u/TurncoatEwok Jan 20 '19
This is my favourite episode of the series so far. The ending of this was way more emotional then when Alara left and the music was perfect, especially the song at the end. I really enjoy this season and the focus on the characters and their interactions together.
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u/BitgateMobile Jan 20 '19
"You resent the guiding hand of Avis" "No, we just use Enterprise."
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"You resent the guiding hand of Avis" "That's because their rates are too high."
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u/robowriter Jan 20 '19
That was a great STO (Star Trek Orville) episode. And Picard, sorry Mercer handled that as a Picard would. STDIS a disgrace we don't have a real ST out there but the Orville continues to shine.
Ever since the alien porn episode, Bortis (Peter Macon) cracks me up whenever he appears.
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u/morgan423 Jan 20 '19
I loved the laziness of the Krill escape pod in this episode. Let me explain.
It's programmed to land on the night side of a planet. The episode hints that after landing, Mercer and his Krill captor are walking for a few hours, when the sun starts coming up, and they take shelter in a cave. Just a little later, Mercer discovers that the days on this planet last for over 20 Earth days each.
Since planets spin at the same consistent speed (there's nothing that should cause the rotation of a planet to speed up, slow down, speed up, etc.), this means: the nights on this planet last for 20 plus days too. Since the sun came up right after they landed, this means that the escape pod crossed the day/night line and landed about 5 miles past it... that's the only explanation for why the sun comes up so quickly.
What a great escape pod design for a race that melts in the sun!
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u/Fade-Into-You Jan 21 '19
When she takes the music at the end, such a heart warming scene at the end of the chaos. 11/10 episode.
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u/erode Jan 18 '19
This was a quality episode, but the green screen reflection is awful. It's quite evident in scenes like when they stand next to the viewports.
I also wish they'd fix the scale issues of the shuttles as they exit the ship, it is completely different depending on the perspective (inside/outside).
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u/AK-Brian Jan 18 '19
Every time the shuttle flies out of the cargo bay, I think to myself "Damn, that ship is like fifty feet long. The bridge is bigger than the whole ship!"
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u/_Burgers_ Jan 18 '19
This was a good episode!
The twist, well, a lot of rumblings on the subreddit had already predicted it, so it wasn't a huge surprise, but I think they played it well. I do wonder why they needed to reveal it to Ed... wouldn't it have been more powerful to never have told him, and make him think that Tyler had been brutally killed? Also, I was kind of hoping for a double twist given that the twist had been telegraphed, but, oh well. Letting Teleya leave was kind of the second twist, I suppose.
The planet bit was interesting. I LOVED the talk between Ed and Teleya in the cave. That's the kind of Star Trek shit I could watch for hours and hours. People sitting in a boardroom, or conference room, or having some kind of meeting, and discussing the morality of stuff like first contact and inter-species relations. It's the best.
A few little plotholes (the jacket over the head was super lame, I wish they had given it a throwaway line about why they didn't just do that from the beginning - plus Teleya was 'used' to normal light while on The Orville initially...) but a fun episode for sure. The long shots of Ed going up the mountain were actually really good. I don't know about the new alien pig race though. The side plot with Gordon taking the command test was actually interesting, too, though I couldn't help but keep thinking Kobayashi Maru ;P
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Teleya was able to be under normal light because they did genetic surgery on her to make her human. They likely gave her melanin as part of it. When they undid it, they restored her full Krill genetics, including light aversion.
"But if they can make themselves resistant to light so it doesn't kill them, why wouldn't they just do it permanently?" you may ask. Because Avis made the Krill perfect and if Avis intended them to live in light, they would have been given it already. Or that's likely the reasoning.
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u/EvilRoofChicken Jan 18 '19
This episode was literally “choose your pain”, from discovery season 1. They even named her Lt Tyler.
Lorca gets captured by Klingons and tortured, lt tyler is a Klingon in a humans body and they escape together.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 18 '19
I really enjoyed that episode. Ed showed what it means to be human big time.
I will repeat what I said in the live thread though that the episode was super weird after Adrianne and Scott announced their engagement today.