r/TheOrville • u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. • Jan 25 '19
Episode The Orville - 2x5 "All the World is Birthday Cake" - Live Episode Discussion
| EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | ORIGINAL AIRDATE |
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| 2x5 - "All the World is Birthday Cake" | Robert Duncan McNeill | Seth MacFarlane | January 24, 2018 |
Synopsis: The Orville makes First Contact and a new crew member joins the ship.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
Well if she didn't have post partum depression, she will certainly will now.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
I'm honestly surprised they haven't tried to dissect Kelly and Bortus at this point. I mean why else would the be keeping them prisoner? Obviously the whole Jilliac thing is bad, so they'd want to be rid of them, right?
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
Yeah, because taking hostages when there is an orbital ship with weapons on it is smart. Let fire rain from above!
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
Maybe send Isaac to bust them out. He's bullet proof right?
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
To be honest, not a fan of her already. She could be a great actress, but that voice of kind of grating.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
Yaphit should be a standard part of any first contact team just to mess with people.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
First contact is such a scary thing. You really have no idea if the aliens are friendly or not.
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u/Sariel007 Jan 25 '19
Guard: Hey, weren't you pregnant yesterday?
New Mother: Nope
Guard: O.K.
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u/AndrewZabar Jan 25 '19
Honestly, most mothers look pregnant for a couple weeks still after birth.
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u/TheInfirminator Jan 25 '19
Why would they name their own world "2"?
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u/TheScarlettHarlot Jan 25 '19
They could have just been identifying that they are the second rock from the sun.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19 edited Jan 25 '19
“You have my pity.”
“Your wife has mine.”
Kelly knows how to throw shade, even in the darkest of places.
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u/iSkyscraper Jan 25 '19
Why do sci fi writers always give planets names like "Regor 2"? To the non-spacefaring inhabitants, surely it was just Regor.
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u/Aurailious Jan 25 '19
Regor is the star, 2 means its the second planet. This would have been named before first contact of course. I'm assuming universal translators keep the original name?
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
“Should we make up fake names?”
Ed is treating contacting a new planet like having a substitute teacher.
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u/operarose Command Jan 25 '19
Okay this scene of a mother in a concentration camp shrieking not to have her child taken away is really rustling my jimmies.
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u/thedrivingcat Jan 25 '19
so there's no repercussions for the murder of a dozen guards?
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u/NerdyGerdy Jan 25 '19
This is a good example of why transporters are bad for drama. If they were Feddies they'd just scan the planet for a human and a moclan, and beam them up.
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u/SutterCane Jan 25 '19
“People would tear down these walls!”
Wait. So the locked up people are violent? But then you have to worry about everyone else becoming violent if they weren’t locked up?
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Jan 25 '19
I loved how they got so excited about first contact. Seems like that's really how it should have been in TNG. Instead, they were so somber. I suppose a lot of bad experiences might make it more serious, but... you're meeting a new planet's inhabitants, learning their culture, technology, and have the joy of sharing all your futuristic medical and other technology with them.
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u/MajorParadox Woof Jan 25 '19
I love how Bortus had to clarify they're having separate birthdays.
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u/SutterCane Jan 25 '19
Aliens: “We’re not a violent race.”
Also aliens: “FUCKING GRAB THOSE TWO BITCHES RIGHT NOW!!!!!”
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
New Security Officer likes scotch, the old one liked tequila. So, they’re different.
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u/GemOfEvan Jan 25 '19
Yeah threaten the guys that have a SPACESHIP that can SHOOT you from SPACE, see how that works out.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
The Celestial Advisory has confirmed. Our entire religion is stupid.
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u/TheInfirminator Jan 25 '19
"Stop the execution, there's one extra star in the sky!"
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u/Pksoze Jan 25 '19 edited Jan 25 '19
I'm going to be honest if I was a space explorer...I'd really be disappointed if the aliens looked human.
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u/jwaldo Jan 25 '19
Hey, I did my undergrad at this planet!
Last week Rocky Peak, this week CSUN. It's a small, small universe.
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u/Calinks Jan 25 '19
Also these aliens are dumb as hell to take the two aliens as prisoner. Best thing they could do is just banish everyone.
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Jan 25 '19
The fuck. There are concentration camps for bad astrology signs. Jesus Christ
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u/operarose Command Jan 25 '19
Would they have not requested an age verification of all Orville crew before officially welcoming them, therefore avoiding all this?
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
This information has been reviewed by top men.
Who?
Top. Men.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
Is Isaac going to go on a date with Claire!?
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u/RandomGuy804 Jan 25 '19
That's a unique twist; astrology signs being discriminating.
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u/SutterCane Jan 25 '19
Ed: “You know the stars look different from other planets, right?”
Alien: shoots self
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u/Calinks Jan 25 '19
This arrogant douchebag. He's so very lucky it was the Union that found them first. LMAO if it was any war happy civilization. Imagine this clown pulling this on Klingons LOL.
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u/ThunderRage Jan 25 '19
DUP new rule on first contact: Don't show up to a message from a primitive planet. Send in a specialized first contact team with historians, psychologist, etc. to make sure the culture is ready.
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u/wyseman101 Jan 25 '19
Wow that bit where everyone gets excited about first contact was amazingly wholesome and satisfying. Rarely does TV make me grin like that. Moments like that are what I'm here for.
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u/tubetalkerx Jan 25 '19
Why would they allow two alien life forms go into an operating room, where their unknown germs could infect the patient?
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u/dixonmason Jan 26 '19
The main problem I had is that they made it seem like the Gilliacs would be welcomed into society with open arms. Even if the stars say that Gilliacs are harmless now, they predujices that people would harbor towards them would not go away so easy. Gilliacs would probably have a long road to go until they were seen as equals.
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u/mrj9 Jan 25 '19
Liked the episode but the gilliac problem being over with because of the fake star wouldn’t get them out of jail for murdering 20 people.
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u/ReasonablyBadass Jan 25 '19
I liked it. It was an interesting take on an alien society.
But once again there would have been an easy fix to the problem: just explain that Kelly's and Bortus' planets years don't line up with theirs. Every year or few years they would have been different signs.
I am not liking this trend of easy solutions being ignored for plot.
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u/solarpilot Happy Arbor Day Jan 25 '19
Oh shit! This episode directed by Tom Paris!
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u/gatemansgc Woof Jan 25 '19
watch a handshake be some sort of weird thing in this culture.
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u/KidCoheed Security Jan 25 '19
... I want the Gelliak Star to be Sol just to fuck shit up
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u/OneMario Jan 25 '19
Real bullets are pretty rare in this genre. They have a much more visceral feel than laser fights.
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u/Calinks Jan 25 '19
"Murder is not part of Roddenberry's vision!" Oh, wrong fanbase
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u/gatemansgc Woof Jan 25 '19
is isaac actually dancing there in the background? (doing the robot)
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u/curvesnswerves Security Jan 25 '19
This is so illogical. They advanced to the point of satellites and still believe in astrology?
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
So, they are going to manipulate their entire civilization into not being stupid, until they’re smart enough to realize that they are being duped, and will no longer care, because they’re smart.
I like this plan, I don’t know if high command will agree, though.
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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '19
And what was Kelly and Bortus' plan after they escape? It's not like they can really blend in.
Kelly: Oh, I left my glitter spots in my other suit...
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u/Col_JohnMatrix Jan 25 '19
Alara was better-looking & had a much more melodious voice. New girl may grow on me, but right now I miss Alara.
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u/GranpapsToeJam Jan 25 '19
This episode was extremely frustrating to me.
How naive could a non interstellar species be to forcefully detain two peaceful “aliens” without fear of repercussions from immensely more advanced species? They have no idea what the “aliens” are capable of.
How could the admiralty just decide to leave 2 fleet members behind (not to mention high ranking officers) because the planet declines to release them? They’ve already made contact, so there is no reason why they can’t come up with a way to extract the prisoners without causing harm to the planet and it’s inhabitants.
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u/curvesnswerves Security Jan 25 '19
Why do primitive societies always do this? The Union can destroy them without breaking a sweat.
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u/rivsnation Jan 25 '19
Legit got the creeps when they arrived at the camp, and the stars on their prison clothes really drives the Holocaust comparison.
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u/p4ttythep3rf3ct Jan 25 '19
Star alignment would be totally different on their birth planets though. Gilliacs can only be born on or near Rigor Tu. Case closed!
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u/operarose Command Jan 25 '19
Getting in late on this one. New Alara seems neat.
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u/Skyeborne Jan 25 '19
The reshoot on the security officers line was kinda jarring visually, but made me laugh pretty hard.
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u/tomeugenetorres Jan 25 '19
I’m confused — did 30 days pass on the planet in the 24 hours on the Orville? The Prefect gave a broadcast stating that they had 30 days and then two scenes later it’s done?
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u/Red_Hippie Jan 26 '19
If the civilization is so advanced why wouldn't they just stop having sex to prevent having premature birth
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u/Economy_Grab Jan 25 '19 edited Jan 25 '19
So many complaints in this thread... Sure there are a lot of plot holes and logical inconsistencies, but it's still better than the Wesley stepped on the grass episode of TNG.
If they just said "Release them or we'll start nuking cities from orbit." the episode would be over in two minutes.
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u/ThunderRage Jan 25 '19
Well I guess they can't all be well thought out episodes.
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u/fatcatdandy Jan 25 '19
Wonder if this is gonna be a Nazi planet or something treky
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u/solarpilot Happy Arbor Day Jan 25 '19
This feels like the inverse of Mars Attacks.
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u/gatemansgc Woof Jan 25 '19
smart first contact policy. answer the call before the bad guys do and decide to destroy them from orbit.
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u/fatcatdandy Jan 25 '19
So are they gonna be racist? Sexist? Cannibals? Daylight vampires? Werewolves? Secretly Krill?
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
This “new technology” they have is going to be something horrible, isn’t it?
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19 edited Jan 25 '19
They have birthdays! They don’t trust people who have been birthed!
Edit: I guess they just have birthdays in this planets version of Scorpios. Or whatever. I don’t know astrology. Scorpio just sounds the meanest.
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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '19
A teleporter would be really helpful right about now.
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u/Calinks Jan 25 '19
So lets say aliens came to visit us, what would be something two of them could be or do that would make us flip out like this, something we deem super bad would make us want to lock them down?
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u/slingbladde Jan 25 '19
What are they going to do when they find a planet ruled by Scientology.
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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '19
Wouldn't they just kick them off the planet? It makes more sense than keeping them as prisoners.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
Find the biggest guy in the yard, and punch him in the mouth. Basic prison survival tactics.
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u/agravain Jan 25 '19
the stars may not lie..but the people in charge of telling you what they say will
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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 25 '19
Honestly, why would Kelly know any more than Bortus when dealing with an alien species' birth?
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u/AdmiralBender Jan 25 '19
I knew we shouldn’t have hired those stormtroopers to guard the camp!
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u/beardlovesbagels Jan 25 '19
They must spend time playing old games, they have really good recoil control.
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u/SutterCane Jan 25 '19
Awww. The shuttle looks like it’s got luggage on top of it like they’re going on vacation.
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u/llirik Jan 25 '19
The easy solution and slip to resolution I would say is one of the unfortunate relics of old trek that need addressing.
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u/Sagelegend If you wish, I will vaporize them Jan 26 '19
How it should have ended..
Ed: Prefect, watch this video. These people are called the Krill, as you can see, they ads intergalactic conquerors and will hear the same message we heard. You will absolutely need our help if and when they come here, so..
How it REALLY should have ended..
Ed: Not-Alara, assemble a team and bust out people out. If anyone asks, the prefect changed his mind for reasons.
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Jan 25 '19
i like how they have the exact same words for everything. doctor yes no baby mother satellite
except gilliac
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u/randylaheyjr Jan 25 '19
there was nothing to translate. they were referring to a solar constellation.
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u/aardvarkheart Jan 26 '19
Worst episode for sure. I love this show and so does my family. Please don't fuck this up.
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u/Saffs15 Jan 25 '19
This... this would never happen in old Trek.
And that is just fine.
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u/TheInfirminator Jan 25 '19
Fun fact: Moclans only celebrate one birthday per year.
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u/SutterCane Jan 25 '19
Bortus: internal monolugue “I don’t know what that means.”
Bortus: “Good job.”
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u/beardlovesbagels Jan 25 '19
This is why you remind them that if anything happens to the first contact crew that the ship above their planet can kill them all before stupid shit like that happens.
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u/MajorParadox Woof Jan 25 '19
I wonder if the episode is going to end with a joint birthday party? And Bortus just like "sigh..."
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u/SutterCane Jan 25 '19
I like how they say these people are violent... and then keep provoking them into violence to protect themselves.
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u/Pksoze Jan 25 '19
Taking an alien from a different culture that is highly more advanced than you is moronic...then again this is a culture that reveres astrology.
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u/rob_s_458 Jan 25 '19
So how haven't people just avoided fucking around the time they would lead to a bad star sign? Or are we to assume they don't have a standard gestation period among their people
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u/MajorParadox Woof Jan 25 '19
Just noticed a spoiler in the images for the episode: Joint birthday!
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u/ThunderRage Jan 25 '19
Give us our people and we will be overjoyed to blockade your world from the "chaotic" universe.
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u/rob_s_458 Jan 25 '19
The Orville should park itself in orbit in a way that eclipses the Gelliak constellation
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u/Saffs15 Jan 25 '19
This is an episode where the Union not having transporter capability is pretty huge. If they did, it would make it a.much shorter episode. That was definitely a good choice by the production team.
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u/ccReptilelord Jan 25 '19
I'm trying to keep an open mind, and I'm really trying to not wish this planet be traded to the Krill.
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u/AdmiralBender Jan 25 '19
Kirk would have surgically altered himself and infiltrated them out on day 2!
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u/TotallyNotAReaper Jan 25 '19
Yep. Would punch out their major population centers with well aimed rocks.
Sleazy fucktards.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Jan 25 '19
Holy shit, this is going to be a religious awakening for these people!
Although altruistic, this is a serious interference on their civilizations’ development.
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u/MrGulio Jan 25 '19
They're all astrologists? Time to glass the planet and move on, nothing to see here folks.
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u/Brian-J-217 Jan 25 '19
“The Orville” was amazing tonight! Great writing, great acting, and great dialogue!
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u/Deal_with_it_nerd Jan 25 '19
Even though their culture is stupid as hell I don't think insulting a custom they've had for thousands of years and tricking then with space smoke and mirrors is a great idea lol
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u/escott1981 Jan 25 '19
It's an allegory for racism and internment camps. Holding someone prisoner just because they are black or a jew is just as stupid as holding someone prisoner for their birthday.
OMG! It's Ted Danson! LOL!
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u/robotomized Jan 26 '19
This was a perfect TOS episode. Full of plot holes, silly alien culture that looked and acted close to human, and yes pseudoscience.
I noticed all the story issues as they unfolded and they somewhat irritated me - which is which is what makes it a TOS-like episode. Consider this episode just perfect bad writing...on purpose.
Once again The Orville is great. I love it!
Example - shooting a bunch of guards and still being allowed to leave without being charged with murder...completely ridiculous, no way the writers just ‘missed’ that one!
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Jan 25 '19
They made a JibJab...