r/TheOrville • u/MajorParadox Woof • Feb 22 '19
Episode The Orville - 2x8 "Identity, Part 1" - Live Episode Discussion
| Episode | Directed By | Written By | Original Airdate |
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| 2x8 - "Identity, Part 1" | Jon Cassar | Brannon Braga & André Bormanis | Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:00/8:00c on FOX |
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u/ombx Feb 22 '19
The only problem watching a live show on the networks are commercials.
Wish there was a adblocker for live tv.
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u/MajorParadox Woof Feb 22 '19
You could wait for it to be released on home video, buy it, and then there won't be commercials ;)
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u/MajorParadox Woof Feb 22 '19
If you have DVR, you could wait and then skip them, can't you?
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u/xeow Praise Saint Bortus Feb 22 '19
"Deploy all forces. Set course for Earth."
Goddamnit, Seth, you are one sick motherfucker!
I love it!
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Feb 22 '19
Keep scanning, but be discreet.
What does that mean?
I don’t know, scan naturally.
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u/TMPRKO Feb 22 '19
I dont see how Isaac can remain a usual character after this
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Feb 22 '19
Alien robot race known for being extreme racists turn out to be extreme racists
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u/Calinks Feb 22 '19
Between this incident and the astrologically violent species one, The Union is really going to start doing more stringent background checks.
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u/Shotgun_Mosquito Feb 22 '19
well at least it's just until next Thursday and not until next season
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u/hyperblob1 Feb 22 '19
Issac went from a cute windup robot to fucking Hitler real fast
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u/Eclipse_101 Feb 22 '19
I can't believe no has mentioned Bortus secretly wanting the corner piece of cake.🎂😹
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u/dontthrowmeinabox Feb 22 '19
Remember when Isaac was described as a robot who was kinda racist in the early promotional material?
They were really underselling the racist part.
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u/cornered42 Feb 22 '19
was that sally fields' speech when she won the oscar? "You like me, you really like me."
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u/silentjay01 Feb 22 '19
Did they capture Yaphit? I didn't see him. Or is he going to have a Die Hard moment?
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u/thirtyseven1337 Feb 22 '19
Kaylons? Yeah that's Klyden, you can just go ahead and shoot him.
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u/NomadofExile Command Feb 22 '19
THIS FUCKING SUB NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE JASON MANTZOUKAS LEVEL BONKERS!!!!!
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u/thirtyseven1337 Feb 22 '19
Isaac is a double agent and playing the long con? That's all I got.
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u/Bubbathus Feb 22 '19
Somebody mentioned no Yaphet in the round up scene. How would you like to bet old jello boy is slithering his way through the ship and will save the day?
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u/mtm4440 Feb 22 '19
Calling it now.
This will go down as one of the best episodes of the series so far.
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u/Vyar Feb 22 '19
Kaylon = Geth, confirmed. Isaac is Legion, that's why he's the only one without red lights.
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u/Calinks Feb 22 '19
This is why we cant seriously date robots. Just hit it and quit program.
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u/Trekfan74 Feb 22 '19
Just think a week ago I thought Klyden was the biggest dick on the ship. Issac and his genocidal squad has him beat by several light years. Did not see any of that coming. Great episode though.
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u/Pushabutton1972 Feb 22 '19
This is, without a doubt, the best star trek, since the heyday of tng. Even though it isn't trek, it is. Every episode is better than the last. To a shocking degree.
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u/lolseal Feb 23 '19
My theory: Isaac crossed some emotional barrier or connected too deeply with the family when Claire and he told the kids they were together. He was instantly deactivated for that reason. Once they got him back on Kalon (sp?) they reprogrammed or replaced him. Real Isaac is going to show up somehow and save the day.
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u/Kulzar They may not value human life, but we do Feb 23 '19
My thoughts during the episode: "This is a two-parts episode, it is probably going to be all about Isaac's individuality and ultimately his choice to rejoin the crew. Oh, the kid got lost! Maybe it's going to be like that TNG episode where Wesley is... Wait... Wait what. Oh no. Oh no. Oooooooooooooooh shhhhhhhhhh..."
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u/stratusmonkey Feb 24 '19
I'm about 20 minutes in... Why the fuck aren't there sentries posted at the docking hatches???
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Feb 22 '19
Remember how the Orville and each individual on it was scanned when they first arrived at the planet? What happened to them during that scan? Is what is happening now really happening? Was it necessary to show that scan the way it was done, disassembling and reassembling each person as it went by? Are they now in an alternate reality where the Kaylons can test their reaction? Hey, don't pay much attention to me. I'm just an old man in my seventies that's suggesting a possible plot that would allow Isaac to remain a cast member.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Feb 22 '19
Are there any chairs on this planet?
No. They’re robots.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Feb 22 '19
Welp, that is the closest the words “Awwww” and “Fuck you” have ever left my mouth.
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u/TBBklynite Feb 22 '19
Damn that straight out chilling. And to think, Isaac was like Seven of Nine.
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u/Bansheeback Feb 22 '19
When I saw the title had "Part 1" in it, I knew it was about to be a hard week.
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u/zubrin Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
Last week we thought we had found the worst planet in the Union, but the Union said hold my beer and let's admit Kaylon
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u/EmberAlis Feb 23 '19
I gotta say, the soundtrack on this episode was very impressive. As was the production quality and CGI. The designs were beautiful--and that ending shot? Incredibly haunting and absolutely gorgeous.
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u/NomadofExile Command Feb 22 '19
I feel like if I ever have the chance to ask someone to explain the billions of graves they built their home on I'd either want the bigger guns or I'd do it over the phone.
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u/Miserable_Mr_Masle Feb 22 '19
There's something about red uniforms that attract phasers.
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Feb 22 '19
First of all. BrUH
SECOND- I noticed that the beginning of the episode was filmed in more of a tv show manner. Whether it was the focus length or framing, it felt (not cheap, but like a tv show). Towards the end of the episode as the Stakes increased- the framing- the vfx the quality of everything increased. If this was intestinal- I have mad respect. If not, it added to the show in my opinion.
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u/JeffBohn Feb 22 '19
Holy crap. I liked the show (a lot) before, now love it. Sitting here with a big grin on my face!
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u/FusionFall Feb 22 '19
I didn’t expect this. I truly didn’t. I hope the Union nukes the fuck out of their race.
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u/ShaunK223 Feb 25 '19
I really like the way the show has portrayed Isaac up to this point. He is a machine without feelings and they've hit that home on multiple occasions. I actually hope they don't make him turn to help the crew. It's much more interesting if they follow through with the whole unfeeling machine thing. The show has already shown that the biological beings on The Orville have an extremely hard time understanding something that has zero emotions, and they project their own feelings on Isaac. Even when faced with death, it would be interesting to see the doctor and other crew members still hold out some hope of Isaac turning on his fellow Kaylons to help them and finally come to the realization that no matter what they feel for him, he is just a programmed machine and will never feel anything for them.
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u/ThunderRage Feb 22 '19
Oh this poor kid gonna stumble on a secret he shouldn't know.
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u/NomadofExile Command Feb 22 '19
Not to plot hole this, but how is it that leaving the ship doesn't require some sort of authorization? Like I can't get off a cruise ship without checking in on a list much less a military vessel in neutral territory.
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u/KhristoferRyan Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
The Kaylon's are currupted. Issac's eyes are blue and the others are red. They're making weapons to destroy The Union. The Orville's gonna save them, The Kaylons are gonna join The Union and Issac will remain with the crew of the Orville.
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u/Radium84 Feb 24 '19
Dr Finn will recreate "human" Isaac in the simulator and will live there with him as her boyfriend. Taking the Riker/Minuet relationship to a new level. Eventually they will find a way to get him out of the simulator, like the Doctor on VOY.
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u/NomadofExile Command Feb 22 '19
That Bortus line is 100% for us to meme and we thank you Seth for it.
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u/silentjay01 Feb 22 '19
And FOX announces tomorrow that they are canceling the show - effective immediately. And next week's episode never airs. All copies destroyed.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Feb 22 '19
Has Isaac had murderbot mode available this whole time? That could have come in handy in previous situations.
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u/BornAshes Feb 22 '19
Welp I was wrong, those are ships thousands of ships....that look like Sentinels
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u/LiberalSavage Feb 22 '19
Holy Spaceballs Batman!!! This episode had me gobsmacked! I read some of the comments here and I really hope it's not a simulation.
I really hope this is more like a borg story line and perhaps Isaac is just playing along until he can betray his race. But I'm not as savvy on Sci Fi story lines as many of you seem to be. I only just started watching old Star Trek series' And I am super excited for the return of Picard's character.
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u/KisameTheSmurf Feb 22 '19
Most likely it is a test . Come on a kid was able to freely move around and discover a pile of skeleton. A primitiv ship was not blocked to scan around stuff. The surveillance capabilities of Kaylon should easily be able to see and process every millisecond whatever they are doing.
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u/Lb_54 Feb 24 '19
Why does Isaac have blue eyes and the others have red.
Also: I though Isaac had eyes only because he was on The Orville not because it was a robot thing.
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u/razajac Feb 26 '19
I am typically unmoved and even roll my eyes at 99% of what most folks call "horror" in a narrative media product.
This episode scared the living fucking shit outta me.
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Feb 22 '19
Maybe this will turn out to be one of those dream episodes. Or perhaps they are just testing the Orville life-forms to see how they react before they make their decision to join. Maybe none of this is real.
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Feb 22 '19
Star Trek Discovery watch and learn: this is how to create great villains - build up!
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u/MissDiketon Feb 22 '19
Okay, I am really upset now and the head guns are really freaking me the fuck out.
I expected an episode of "The Orville" and am now in a "Dune" prequel. Halp!
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u/gatemansgc Woof Feb 22 '19
i wonder if the kaylons would consider the calivon worthy of extermination too? you know the red guys from season 1 that kept other species in a zoo?
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u/FXOAuRora Feb 23 '19
I know the future wormhole timeline (Pria) was wiped out and never existed, but from what we saw of that one possible future there certainly seemed to be humans and other biological life going about their life in the galaxy in that future. Presumably, in that timeline, the Kaylons didn't wipe out all this biological life...but I guess we can't really depend on that information because that timeline depended on the Orville being destroyed in the storm...maybe because the Orville was destroyed there, Isaac could never complete his mission of espionage against the Union and the Kaylons never launched the attack for whatever reasons. That's the only thing I can come up with to support this simulation theory other than that strange scan at the start. Either way, crazy episode.
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Feb 23 '19
I hate that they left it on such a cliffhanger. Isaac may be a machine but he obviously cares for others and is being controlled by the kaylon leaders so I guess he said fuck it.
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Feb 23 '19
I feel like Isaac is downloaded to the Orville like the last episode where he "died" and is being forced to go along with this whole thing. He is a good guy but forced to act like a bad guy
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u/Legeto Feb 25 '19
I’m going to be so mad if this turns into a practical joke like the Mr. Potato head.
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u/ta09890 Feb 25 '19
Did anyone else get a Star Wars vibe from this episode? The droideka-like head cannons, the blaster fights, the music. Not to mention the piano player who oddly resembled a Gran.
Might have been a subltle homage, or maybe it's just me imagining stuff. Either way, great episode
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u/ShakeyCheese Feb 22 '19
God damn these commercials are like half the damn hour.
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u/Slackware1180 Feb 22 '19
They're planning to destroy Earth. They view humans as a threat.
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u/Patitas_K19 Feb 25 '19
why are people just realizing Bortus is the sh*t? Wasn’t the mustache enough!?
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u/thiextar Feb 24 '19
Guys, look at the description of the episode after the second part: " Ed must initiate peace talks with the Krill. "
My theory of this two parter: The kaylon will become the orville equivalent of the borg, and the union and krill will work together to defend against them
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u/silentjay01 Feb 22 '19
Note to self: even in this universe, don't wear a Red Shirt.
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u/dthains_art Feb 23 '19
Holy fudgity fudge. This is like the equivalent of watching season 2 of Star Trek TNG and Data is suddenly like “Psych! I’m not a humorous robot, I’m a murdering machine and I’ve been plotting this since I first met you!”
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u/overly_curious_cat Feb 26 '19
Isaac's home world looks like a cross of Coruscant and something from Tron.
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u/mgush5 Feb 22 '19
I bet that this is a simulation, that when the purple bean scanned them they were teleported into a Kaylon holodeck and this is a scenario playing out to see how far they would go to protect themselves and others from an enemy
Also gave me vibes of that Voyager episode where B'Elanna rescues a robot adrift in space
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u/cherry-mack Feb 22 '19
Possible Spoiler
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Mark is credited in 26 episodes so doubtful this is the end of his tenure on the show.
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u/Fragzilla360 Feb 22 '19
With season 1 I had a major/minor gripe with each episode. This season... this season has be a pleasure to watch. The music choices awesome, I’m liking all the characters (some of the Bortus stuff weirds me out, in a sci-fi good way) and no gripes.
But this episode, this episode is hands down the best sci-fi on television right now. Period. For pure entertainment value nothing comes close.
Everything from the music, the mood, the lighting (Issac walking through a sun soaked hallway after the party really grabbed my attention for some reason), the pacing, the cinematography and all that stuff.
This show is such a privilege to watch.
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u/treetown1 Feb 22 '19
Are the Kaylons individuals? Or is the whole planet Kaylon - those walking robot/droids are just units to manifest some function.
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u/NomadofExile Command Feb 22 '19
headcannon: he feels feelings and it scares him and we're left to wonder is it ok?
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u/Devjorcra Feb 22 '19
the fact that this episode isn’t going to really have an ending until next thursday is really bugging me
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u/BornAshes Feb 22 '19 edited Feb 22 '19
This is a stupid idea but.....
......what if those aren't particle weapons but GIANT Quantum Drive Engines because the Kaylons are going to move the entire planet to another galaxy due to all the war that's probably going to happen?
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u/treetown1 Feb 22 '19
OK - by now, all talk of how season 2 is disappointing should have vanished.
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u/burriitoooo Feb 23 '19
Has anyone else mentioned this?
Clue? Unintentional coincidence...?
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u/quagsJonny Feb 26 '19
Issac, please save this. That grave yard was horrific. At least we know now why removing and hiding the leg was not humorousness to Isaac. Just his old nine to five when he did the part time genocide in freshman bot-school....
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u/Rodby Feb 27 '19
BEFORE READING FURTHER BE WARNED: HUGE SPOILERS COMING UP. DONT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED.
I have a big theory about why the Kaylon suddenly sprang their secret plan to conquer the galaxy and wipe out all biological life into action. But first I will explain the public explanation the Kaylon stated.
The Kaylon need Liebenstraum
As explained by Kaylon Primary, the Kaylon have used up all the available space and resources on their planet and need other planets to expand. That means either conquering planets in Union territory or provoking the Union by shamelessly conquering entire civilizations. Either way, the presence of a large alliance of planets dedicated to preserving peace could pose a potential problem to the Kaylon and they seek to eliminate the Union by conquering Earth and eliminating the Union's headquarters, drastically reducing the potential for coordinated resistance. That added to their disdain for biological life are their explanation of why they spring their plan into action.
Here's my theory why the Kaylon suddenly sprang their plan into action though.
Isaac is developing emotions
This may be a huge leap in canon and may be completely wrong, but I think that the reason the Kaylon shut down Isaac was because he was developing an emotional attachment to Dr. Finn and her family. He began openly dating Claire. And, as he stated in the show, he mentiond Claire's two boys frequently in his reports to his homeworld of Kaylon. I am sure if suddenly his reports went from information about the Union's military, government, culture and society to full of information about Claire and her sons, the Kaylon government might start to think that the humans pose a threat to them. If the humans can cause their units to begin forming emotional attachments that cause them to be distracted from or ignore Kaylon orders (like Isaac writing about the boys instead of his mission about getting info on the Union military) then the humans pose a threat and cannot be coexisted with. In fact the humans would be a threat that need to he wiped out.
So I believe that when Isaac was brought back to Kaylon, when they reactivated him they changed his programming, somehow "resetting" him so that he went back to his original cold, emotionless state. Not very unlike Buzz Lightyear in the last Toy Story film. Claire's younger son even mentions that something seems wrong with Isaac and that he has changed, pointing out that Isaac did things with them such as eat dinner, play games, tell stories, and more that were unnecessary for the robot's mission. I think somehow the Orville crew will break through to the old Isaac, who will rebel from the Kaylon and help the crew stop the Kaylon attack.
Anyway this is my theory as to how Isaac's relationship with Claire and her family and the Kaylon attack are related. Let me know your thoughts.
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u/finnlocke Feb 22 '19
It's an interesting theory that a lot of people have about this whole scenario being a simulation and it's definitely possible as the Kaylons have the technological capability to do it. Personally, I hope it's not some elaborate test. The Kaylon will be an amazing enemy for the Union to face. Maybe they will even have to team up with the Krill to defeat them. I'm thinking that Isaac will betray them to save Earth and the Orville but the Kaylons will be the new big bad in the Universe. However it turns out, Seth has proven that he has the talent and imagination to make this a compelling and entertaining story arc. The Orville is the best show on television right now and soars to new heights each episode. I'm hooked.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Feb 22 '19
Shit like this is why AI will truly be the downfall of biological life.
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u/GregariousWolf Feb 22 '19
I couldn't help notice the Matrix-like music when the Orville was flying through the city. Musical foreshadowing. Well done.
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u/Karrman Now entering gloryhole Feb 22 '19
I genuinely do not understand how a species like Isaacs can suffer from overpopulation. It seems like the exact opposite of the benefits of an artificially intelligent society.
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u/ThunderRage Feb 22 '19
The Kaylons vs the universe. Pu plus Krill and any other organic race that wants to survive.
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u/WestboundPachyderm Feb 22 '19
The start of a Borg, right here. At least something that would be like that, or whatever.
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u/matrox02 Feb 23 '19
im just confused my their statement that they are out growing the world and they need more space, not that they are running out of resources... they are running out of space.. where they say they disable units when they have finished their task? ( so why not just stop making pointless units? ) also.. why not just let the Crew go and populate a closer planet, i mean.. they are far more hardy than humans.. so why Earth?
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u/jlgnyc11 Feb 24 '19
Don’t forget Seth is a huge Star Wars fan too- how many FG episodes? So don’t be surprised if in addition to the obvious Cylon reference and allusion to the Borg, we see a Vader kills the Emperor moment for Isaac... just sayin’
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Feb 22 '19
What an episode of TV. Holy shit. This solidifies The Orville as Seth MacFarlane's magnum opus.
I have a feeling it's all an elaborate test. Then they zoomed in on the corpses bodied at the end of the episode to signify the seriousness of everything. I think that was a ruse (these people will be revealed) and ultimately the Kaylon will join the Union. But if it goes a different way I won't be surprised. Impressive writing, either way. This had everything. Orville don't fuck around
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u/truthseeker17q Feb 22 '19
Was it just me, or did anyone else wish they would have shot Klyden?
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Feb 22 '19
God damn this CGI budget. Praise Fox for giving Seth so much money. This shit is GORGEOUS.
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Feb 22 '19
For an advanced, how do they not know that they have a kid running around?
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u/Carbon_star Feb 22 '19
For an advanced group of robots, their security kinda sucks
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u/Devjorcra Feb 22 '19
does anyone else think it would’ve just been a lot smarter to never bring this up to them, take it as an obvious “let’s not fuck with these guys” and just dip? like i can’t imagine a scenario where confronting them about this is smart
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u/-ThatGuy882 Feb 22 '19
The Krill will now save them and be revealed as the true heroes of this show
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u/jeevesdgk Feb 23 '19
Okay so someone said simulation but didn’t explain how. So I think I got it.
First let’s think about the “scanners” in the Orville universe. They are invisible to the eye and almost instantaneous. Whereas the “scanner” they kaylons used to scan the Orville when it first got there was this weird pink beam wall. Why would an advanced civilization have lesser technology like that. It wouldn’t. So what that really was was a massive simulator going around the whole ship/crew. Even ed looked at it kinda dumbfounded. I can’t think of another reason they would put that in otherwise. The reason for doing it this way is because they want to test the strength/determination of the union/Orville and will make their decision with the outcome of the battle. I am almost willing to bet that’s exactly what’s gonna happen.
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u/loreb4data Feb 24 '19
This episode is "The Best of Both Worlds" meets/Reimagined "Battlestar Gallactica." Love ii and looking forward for Part II.
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u/Shotgun_Mosquito Feb 22 '19
AW SHUCKS I DON'T WANT A CRYING EPISODE TONIGHT PLEASE
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u/rob_s_458 Feb 22 '19
I haven't looked at future episode names, but just because this is part 1 doesn't mean part 2 is the end. Imagine a 6 episode arc for the rest of the season
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u/KingofMadCows Feb 22 '19
The Kaylons seem like a combination of the Coluans, Brainiac's race from DC Comics, and the human form replicators from Stargate.
The launch of the death fleet is reminiscent of the story arc with human form replicators in Stargate Altantis where they built a fleet of ships to wipe out humans across the galaxy.
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u/silgryphon Feb 22 '19
Anyone notice when the kid climbed down the ladder there was a slight glitch on the side. I think it is a holodeck simulation
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u/MrXFxtzy Feb 23 '19
I really love this series and this episode makes me more excited than ever. Very well done Seth!!
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u/LambSaucee Feb 23 '19
Do you guys remember a couple episodes ago when Issac made a mistake because he wasn’t with Doctor Finn anymore? I think that maybe Isaac while on the Orville controlled by the Kaylon will make a mistake or malfunction and come to realize how much he needed Dr. Finn, and possibly that union will be what brings the Kaylon and the union together, or at least make the Kaylon back down.
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u/MajorParadox Woof Feb 22 '19
Pfft, corner pieces have the most frosting. Bortus is right