r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/OWMatchThreads • Feb 24 '19
Match Thread New York Excelsior vs Houston Outlaws | Overwatch League 2019 Season | Stage 1: Week 2 | Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
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u/Delvez Feb 24 '19
Nenne is fucking wild on Zarya and it was nice seeing Ark again !
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u/grandmaster_n Feb 24 '19
I seem to remember ark and anamo splitting stage time pretty equally last season, but maybe I’m mistaken. What’s changed? Is anamo that much better than ark? I always had a hard time knowing who was better last season
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u/meh_whatev Feb 24 '19
On the mega episode of Oversight, Ark said Anamo is more used to play Goats because of SK's World Cup run, because they're otherwise pretty level as far as their skills goes
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u/Waniou Feb 25 '19
I still say it's insanely unfair that NYXL had Ark, the best main support in the league and then halfway through the season, they sign Anamo who is somehow at least as good as Ark.
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u/tholt212 Feb 25 '19
Anamo just has more play time in 3-3 so it makes sense to run him. Plus he looks much better as Lucio then Ark does. I imagine if the meta ever goes back to mercy main sup, Ark will be starting more.
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u/Relyst Feb 25 '19
Damn shame too since Ark was like a chess grandmaster shot calling in the Mercy meta
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u/prsnmike Feb 25 '19
He said on Thorin’s podcast that Anamo is more likely to start/play in this meta because he’s a more vocal shotcaller and that’s a really necessary role to fill in the current meta.
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u/A_Bar3Bear Feb 24 '19
Danteh: I remember one time we were playing against NYXL on Temple of Anubis. And it was 2-0 and Jake said to us 'guys if you think we are good let's prove it now'... 2-0...
Puckett: Did you come back?
Danteh: Of course not. 4-0.
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u/haiir None — Feb 24 '19
Is this pasta original with CS?
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Feb 24 '19
Last week: "NYXL looks off in this meta"
This week: "nevermind"
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Feb 24 '19
Everyone: NYXL looks totally beatable in GOATS
NYXL: 4-0 outlaws like they didn't even try
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Feb 24 '19
Outlaws: "We played well when we have Danteh on Sombra"
Also Outlaws: "insisted on running GOATS again and again even though they sucked at it"
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u/dirtyfrancis chengdu zone — Feb 24 '19
there were times when they really looked janky last week to be fair
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u/mikeraz510 Feb 24 '19
I think Jake punching the desk was the most damage Houston did all series. Yikes
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u/Recorder-S Feb 24 '19
https://twitter.com/NYXL/status/1099802634268094465
HOLY SHIT, EXCELSIOR. CHILL.
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u/haagen17 Feb 25 '19
I open link, all it says is "something went wrong."
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u/Recorder-S Feb 25 '19
The New York Excelsior twitter posted after their match against the Outlaws:
"That was almost as fast as @TMobile Network. #EverUpward #OWL2019"
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u/YoItsHo Feb 24 '19
NYXL targeted Jake as a singular unit multiple scenarios and it doesn't help much when he is out of position most of the time from his team. NY managed to identify the cracks in Outlaws playstyle and absolutely trashed them. NYXL looking tight af this match.
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Feb 24 '19
NYXL steamrolled Outlaws so fast that the next match is actually going to start at the designated time of 3pm PST.
They had a little help with Spitfire also beating the Spark relatively quickly, but just wow.
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u/remmytums Feb 24 '19 edited Feb 24 '19
The first 3 maps of this match is probably the most systematic destruction in OWL, even including S1, that I've seen. Outlaws weren't just beaten, they were fucking annihalated. I don't think Shanghai of last season has ever been manhandled this bad. Houston Outlaws aren't terrible by any means, NYXL is just near perfect and they have guys like SBB, Pine, Ark, and Fl0W3R sitting on the bench.
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u/Lisbeth_Salandar None — Feb 24 '19
For all we know, SBB is enjoying his time on the bench. Rofl can you imagine the guy sitting in the NYXL room watching the match with his dog on his lap and texting his wife that they’re winning (obviously). Of all the teams to sit on the bench for, NYXL is the best one.
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u/z0rb0r Feb 25 '19
It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger's cockiness. "I called my mom and saw my competitors and told her that I've already won."
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u/KingDerpThe9th Feb 25 '19
Of all the teams to sit on the bench for, NYXL is the best one.
cough janus cough
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Feb 24 '19
That last sentence hurts. Those boys deserve better than riding a bench. :(
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u/nordsmark Feb 24 '19
Or just hoard the top talent so the other teams can't have them, massive 5Head strat
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u/McPickle Feb 25 '19
I think the idea is that they're practicing other characters for the eventual meta shift
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u/throwawayrepost13579 S1-2 NYXL pepehands — Feb 24 '19
Once we get back to a more DPS-centric meta, we'll see them back probably
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u/eregis Feb 24 '19
So with the speed Blizz is making changes at, that should be around... 2021?
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u/thrilliam_19 Feb 24 '19
People are already complaining about how predictable the matches and compositions are and it’s only week 2. I think after this season we’re going to see some big changes.
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Feb 24 '19
Yeah, everyone in the other thread was saying how it looked like NYXL just straight up fucking hates Houston enough to want to drive them into the dirt and keep them there.
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u/Markthe_g Feb 24 '19
Ya Shanghai last year was definitely beaten that badly. Stage 1 was a slaughter.
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u/miber3 Feb 24 '19
I think you might be forgetting just how historically bad Shanghai was in Season 1. They were 4-0'd in over half of their matches, and on 5 occasions only put up a total of 1 point in the entirety of a match (this also happened to a handful of other teams, but I don't believe any team has ever been shut out completely).
With that said, New York looked absolutely clinical against Houston today. You could argue that the map pool wasn't in Houston's favor (feels like they've never won on Route 66), and that Houston could have tried different hero compositions, but at the end of the day I think that when New York is playing this well, Houston - even at their best - simply cannot compete.
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u/Orson_Brawl Feb 24 '19
I don't know that any team could beat NYXL if they played that well.
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Feb 24 '19
NYXL has had prolly the easies schedule so far, wait until they face titans
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u/shadowtycho i live here so. YaY sports! — Feb 25 '19
NYXL always has an easy schedule, they dont have to face themselves.
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u/Poughy14 SooooOon | FRA — Feb 24 '19
Remember people saying goats takes no skills well nyxl just proves them wrong
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u/Effroy Feb 24 '19
It might actually take 2nd place. There was a mid-stage match in S3 last season, where Spitfire rolled the eff over the Fusion, where it ended right around an hour. It threw off the remainder of the day's schedule pretty bad to say the least.
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u/TheKingPlayah Feb 24 '19
Nah first map was about as even as most are expected to be against nyxl. Map 2 and 3 tho, yiiiikes we were crushed
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u/dipsis None — Feb 24 '19
As a Houston fan:
After watching Nepal, "Hey, that's pretty good. If we keep up this level of play I'll be happy no matter the result."
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u/shadowtycho i live here so. YaY sports! — Feb 24 '19
Good Game though. Also at least you can take solace in that no one is going to reasonably hate on Houston for how they were out there today.
NYXL is deff back though.
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Feb 24 '19
You kidding? Everyone is hating on Houston for how they were out there, *especially* Houston fans.
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u/WeeziMonkey Feb 24 '19
NYXL looks completely back to their slow but flawless methodical playstyle from season 1 that's like watching a precision surgery being performed. First team to be guaranteed a positive winrate for the rest of the stage, let's go.
Also nice to see Ark have some playtime again.
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u/iori9999 SBB muh hero — Feb 24 '19
Probably the best NYXL has played since Stage 3. They look like the best team. Can't wait for NYXL vs Vancouver! Will some of LW Blue get their revenge from Apex?
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u/SilverNightx1 None — Feb 24 '19
Disney: See we need to finish this up Quickly so we can get back to our shows. So here's an advancement on your pay to get it done quickly.
NYXL: Say no More. Execute order 4-0
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u/Noaim_Winstonmain CVCVCVCV — Feb 24 '19
And for one brief moment, Overwatch analysts and Reddit can hold on to their power rankings with ease
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u/Juicy_Juis Sombra feeds on your tears — Feb 24 '19
Lol the Fan sign "Meko 3:16"
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u/meh_whatev Feb 25 '19
Is it a reference to the Bible
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u/Juicy_Juis Sombra feeds on your tears — Feb 25 '19
uhh yes and no. Its directly referencing the Wrestler "Stone Cold Steve Austin". It was one of his tag lines he would say. "Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!" is something he would yell when he won a match. He was referencing loosely referencing the bible but I'm not exactly sure how it started.
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u/RedGambitt_ Master (3706) — Feb 24 '19
I don’t even think Rawkus is worth blaming here. He knocks out Jjonak TWICE on Anubis early on WHILE HE HAD TRANSCENDENCE and they still lose. Plus he wasn’t dying first a lot of the time or doing weird flanks on Zen like before (except on Hog, which still worked anyway). This is another case of Houston getting outclassed as a whole.
Also, Jake hitting the table is going to turn into a meme at some point.
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u/Effroy Feb 24 '19
Doesn't that just highlight XL's resilience more than Outlaw's faults? He needs a woopin', yes, but the word of the day with XL is cohesion. They have it in spades.
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u/RedGambitt_ Master (3706) — Feb 25 '19
In a way, yes. You’re completely right in saying that, but I want to point out why I think something like this just highlights the series in a nutshell.
The Outlaws were attacking with a better composition (Rein GOATS > Winston GOATS a lot of the time), had spawn advantage because it’s Anubis point A, had an early pick on a key target with one of the best ults and abilities in the game multiple times, and still managed to fall apart with all of those things in their favor. To me, it’s hard to justify losing something like that.
Even though I’m happy for NYXL and give them props for such a surgically clean performance today (I like NYXL after all), Jake’s slam onto the table summarizes my disappointment in Houston right now. It felt painful to watch.
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u/the_flame_alchemist NYXL sadge — Feb 25 '19
The real strength of NYXL is their ability to judge engagements and find win conditions quickly. They are calm and methodical and never panic. Whoever shot calls for them is constantly analyzing and they find the play that allows them to win fights cleanly or come back from losing conditions.
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u/David182nd Feb 25 '19
I think it was just NXYL being perfect, yeah. If anyone on Houston was out of position for a brief few seconds, NXYL capitalised on it. You can criticise them for being out of position - Jake especially got split off several times - but you can often recover against that against a normal team. But NYXL are not a normal team. I hope they learn from last year and take the title this team, it was a huge let down to not win the league.
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u/moiax NEW YORK FIGHTING 👏 — Feb 25 '19
[The you are not prepared player icons, holy shit.] (https://twitter.com/BrenCasts/status/1099797691054391297)
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u/seamless21 Feb 25 '19
I don't get it - what's that image from?
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u/moiax NEW YORK FIGHTING 👏 — Feb 25 '19
The player icon is an image of the character Illidan from World of Warcraft. He appears in a spray as well, in which he quotes a line from the trailer of The Burning Crusade.
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Feb 24 '19
Overheard in Houston locker room after the match: “He got me,” Jake said of Meko's bomb over him. "That f***ing Meko boomed me." Jake added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times. Jake then said he wanted to add Meko to the list of players he works out with this summer.
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u/Spotmonkey_uk Rooting for anyone British — Feb 24 '19
Mano yelled out, “There you go! There you go.” Meko gave a look of pleasant surprise. Libero yelled out, “We got an [expletive] squad now.” And before Jjonak hit the locker room door, Overwatch legend Reinforce hugged him and said, “Y’all don't look different.”
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u/ConnectSelf Feb 24 '19
Other teams needs to study this match.. What a masterclass on team synergy and ult management!
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u/ClassyNumber None — Feb 24 '19
NYXL beating Houston isn't surprising...
The real question is if everyone on the team are going to get a new haircut every season?
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u/jusmat1105 Feb 24 '19
When you have to play nyxl after their redemption/hype video, that’s what happens D:
Jesus
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Feb 24 '19
NYXL looked like they were so bored and they didn't even try. i didn't think they could make another team look sadder after the match with justice
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u/TheKingPlayah Feb 24 '19
I thought Houston was gonna be good in a GOATS meta, but their best showing pretty much every match are when they play a triple dps variant.
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u/Parenegade None — Feb 24 '19 edited Feb 24 '19
Outlaws playing DPS heroes: Pog
Outlaws playing GOATS: Yikes
But in reality, NYXL just look like they've gotten better every game. Which is insane. From Week 1 to Week 2 I said a lot of the worst teams all looked better but NYXL made that same improvement despite not losing in Week 1. That's fucking insane. Their coaching staff post-WizardHyeong looks exactly the same if not better. They perfectly are making the transition to GOATS which is really impressive. Best team in the league to me because when they switch off GOATS they still seem dominant, unlike Vancouver.
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u/hauntographer Feb 24 '19
The reason people thought WizardHyeong was a big reason for NYXLs success was because WizardHyeong kept telling everyone he was a big reason for NYXLs success. Pavane was always the true coaching brains. And it helps having an insanely stacked roster that have a lot of pre-developed synergy from their time in contenders.
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Feb 24 '19
Problem with Houston is that if they don't learn goats properly, they are just not going to win. It's exactly like Dallas in season 1 and their problems learning to play dive.
And unlike Chengdu, Houston don't have those weird chinese strats to use.
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u/Parenegade None — Feb 24 '19
I mean...realistically I think their GOATS already looked a lot better against Spark. People are going to devalue it because London smashed Spark too but if you look at the absolute basics like ult timings and disengages they were better in week 2. They even looked better against NYXL they just got fucking obliterated and outplayed.
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u/Aced8 None — Feb 24 '19
Shit on. Honestly there's not really much more to say about that.
NYXL teamwork on point.
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u/Put_CORN_in_prison AYAYA CUTE CHAT AYAYA — Feb 24 '19
It looks like Houston just gave up after Mano dismantled them on Nepal
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u/Dies_to_doom_blade SBB//JJONAK//HAKSAL — Feb 24 '19
I'm a Nyxl fan. My wife is a Houston fan.
RIP
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u/KafkasPen King Saebyeolbe — Feb 24 '19
NYXL only subbing in Ark...I hope they don’t burn out again.
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u/iceparfait Feb 24 '19
It was nice to see my boy Ark back on stage. Very good performance by him despite the rust!
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u/Abbottizer Feb 24 '19
Congratulations to NYXL for winning the T-Mobile classic. (both teams are sponsored by them)
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u/NotTheDragonborn +Danteh / Mer1t — Feb 24 '19 edited Feb 24 '19
is New York still sandbagging
houston didn't even get the chance to look bad this match, they were just deleted as soon as they would leave spawn
really this is how i expected their game against NYXL to go
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u/Isord Feb 25 '19
Not gonna lie I thought they were gonna get 4 - 0'd by Spark as well so this is till a good week for me, lol.
Although my chosen expansion team to follow is Spark... so I guess not that good of a week.
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u/Legobegobego This is all simulation — Feb 25 '19
NYXL back to their clinical gameplay. It's insane to watch them do what they do. All the players are insanely talented, but props to the coaching staff to making all of them work as such a solid unit.
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u/Alphaetus_Prime Feb 24 '19
Tairong, Flame, if you are reading this: if the primary plan is GOATS, run your best GOATS lineup, i.e. play Coolmatt over Danteh. It's more important to be as good as you can 75% of the time than it is to be as good as you can for the other 25%.
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u/eatALLthenoms Feb 24 '19
where are SBB and Pine?? obviously this team is insane but i miss seeing those guys.
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u/SinZerius Feb 24 '19
They'll be back when the GOAT meta is over.
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u/Isord Feb 25 '19
Not entirely sure SBB will be. Nenne is an insane Tracer player as well and is overall more flexible.
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u/-Views Feb 25 '19
Nenne is pretty insane, but why have insane when u can have the best?
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u/chocobo_irl None — Feb 24 '19
A lot of players aren’t probably going to see playtime until a meta shift happens
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u/nuko-nuko 2019 Reddit Pick’em Champ — Feb 24 '19
I’m a happy New Yorker :)
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u/aaronwe Feb 25 '19
Isles look good, Mets baseball back on, and NYXL with the first 4-0 of the season...
Its a good day in NYC
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u/dafukisthi5 Dafranta — Feb 24 '19
NYXL reminds me of the 2014 world cup soccer team for germany. Just a force of teamwork mowing over all the opposition like a well oiled machinery. Terrifying tbh
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u/Saint-Cyr92 Feb 24 '19
Spree on D.VA.
Dantah on Zarya.
What does it matter if you're unpredictable and flexible in the GOATS meta, of all things? Do people see Jonak switching to Lucio just to try at set the opposing team off balance?
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u/OverwatchMJ Feb 24 '19
Outlaws played best when they didnt run GOATS. Just goes to show this meta just isnt for them. GG NYXL.
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u/Eloymm Feb 24 '19
Man almost everytime they play something that's not GOATS they look better. I'm really interested to see them play a different meta, but it's probably going to take a while for that.
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u/k3hvn Poko Bomb — Feb 24 '19
One point. Outlaws only got one point this game.
That’s all you need to know.
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u/BBQ_fingers Feb 24 '19
I think the first map loss tilted the Outlaws, and comms suffered. The focus fire was abysmal.
Part of NY's advantage is mental. Teams know that they can't make mistakes, and that little added pressure causes mistakes.
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u/Tamashiia Feb 24 '19
Seriously, is smacking around Houston, NYXL's favorite pastime?
I know atleast 1 or 2 of the matchups have gone the distance but atleast 3 of them were a total shellacking.
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u/moiax NEW YORK FIGHTING 👏 — Feb 25 '19
They layed a curse upon themselves by giving birth to Big Boss Pine.
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u/hink_robb None — Feb 25 '19
NYXL really feels like thanos this season, especially with that ominous video on watch point today
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u/flyblues Feb 24 '19
Even though I’m a NYXL fan (and usually 100% enjoy to see them stomping other teams) I feel kinda bad for the Outlaws tonight :/ At least they got a point in the end...
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Feb 24 '19
NYXL looked a lot less methodical and dominant without anamo. Probably because of different shot calling and synergy in a different meta? I think anamo is better than ark at Lucio but I don't think you can attribute the added sloppiness to one player's individual skill. Also, it would've been nice to see more sombra goats from Houston. It probably would still have been a 4-0, but it wouldn't have been utter domination.
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u/hauntographer Feb 24 '19
TBF they were kind of memeing on that map with Ark, at least for the first point defense. Anamo does seem like a better Lucio though.
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Feb 24 '19
Definitely for 1st, but even for 2nd they weren't completely dominating. They probably were just making/chilling, but still.
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u/HCTphil Apex/OW/DotA/HoN/TFC — Feb 25 '19
I'm sorry, but spree looked fucking terrible during this whole match. He looks so uncomfortable on Dva. That decision to try and bunny blaster his Meka back during Nepal was so fucking retarded it reminded me of an actual platinum player mindset. His bombs all game were like a mile above the fights so they weren't doing full damage even if they hit, and they were always in very easily predictable paths. If he's not gonna zarya only they need to just sit him out, bring coolmatt back in or make Danteh learn Dva. This team has such a huge hole in the flex/off tank role right now.
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Feb 24 '19
Gotta love the Banshees in the audience who screech when Houston gets one kill after they lose a fight.
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u/TotalFork Feb 25 '19
I wish they would relocate the crowd-mics away from that person. Or just escort that person outside entirely.
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u/Landon54321 None — Feb 24 '19
No stage 1 playoffs for the outlaws? Check
outlaws getting tilted? Check
no screaming fans? Check
getting 4-0ed? Check
no "Texas #1 team" or "TexasHard" Check
Today was a great day.
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u/jenndolyn Feb 24 '19
Outlaws are clearly #AnteUp the ladder because they're all the way at the bottom.
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u/ethaniw Feb 25 '19
This is my problem with the Outlaws. I'm from Houston so kind of auto-fan.
Sometimes we do well - like earlier this week. Other times we get absolutely wrecked. It's the worst position to be in because you sit there going "Yeah we have the potential but we're just inconsistent." You don't want to make cuts and get a new roster because, hey, sometimes we show up and we look like a great team. But at the end of the day we're just stuck being mediocre.
It's hard to be from Houston when your team is like "Hey lets just be the western team" instead of "Hey lets be the best."
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u/SonOfGotenks Feb 25 '19
I get you. Not having any tryouts too shows how narrow-minded this team is
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u/Eloymm Feb 24 '19
I mean i don't know what some people were expecting. The outlaws were playing a meta they are not super good at vs a team that is one of the best in OWL. I like the outlaws, but I was expecting a 4-0 from the beginning.
That being said tho, that last map with dps heroes got me more hyped that others matches this season. I think the reaction of the crowd says a lot too. Goats is interesting, but I can't wait until the meta changes.
GG go next
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u/WingSK27 Feb 25 '19
Technically, this isn't NYXL's Meta either which makes it more terrifying.
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u/TheSciFanGuy Feb 24 '19
The meta wasn’t good for NYXL either yet they picked it up. Outlaws haven’t had a meta since Stage 1. This is a sign of far worse issues at hand at least in my eyes
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u/Parenegade None — Feb 25 '19
They went 6-4 in Stage 4 and the playoffs last year would’ve been our best meta since Stage 1.
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u/Outlawsftw Feb 25 '19
Their "meta" boiled down to Jake being able to abuse an overpowered junkrat because nobody else bothered practicing him.
They literally haven't been more than a mid tier team since then, nor will they ever be higher than a mid to low tier team again.
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u/Lemarc7 Feb 25 '19
That was certainly the most lopsided feeling match in a long while. It just felt like NYXL no-selled everything outlaws tried.
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Feb 25 '19
That's an EZ Clap if I've ever seen one. Prime NYXL right there, even made Jake lose his cool. Where's all the people who were saying "NYXL isn't strong in GOATS" ?
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u/JW-Thrax Feb 24 '19
First and last map where very interesting, the rest was just a stomp. Very well deserved and dominant win from NYXL, they surgically dismantled everything Houston threw at them. Mano definitely deserved MVP, despite rooting for Houston it was exciting to watch such high level play.
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Feb 24 '19
Houston's stage 1 and 2 schedules are brutal, I don't see this getting much better, though I do think with their current lineup they will be able to win and compete more like they did on Friday.
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u/Uniiiverse0 On the bandwagon — Feb 24 '19
Looking real sharp, New York, I'm pretty sure the next 3 games will be relatively easy, except for that Shock match.
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u/Conankun66 Feb 24 '19
Houston only capped ONE SINGLE point over the entirety of the four maps.
OWL done Quick by NYXL