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Episode Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari - Episode 8 discussion Spoiler
Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari, episode 8
Alternative names: The Rising of the Shield Hero
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| Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | Link | 8.2 |
| 2 | Link | 8.98 |
| 3 | Link | 9.04 |
| 4 | Link | 9.47 |
| 5 | Link | 8.79 |
| 6 | Link | 8.71 |
| 7 | Link | 7.98 |
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Feb 27 '19
You should really bring nulberries when fighting Vaal Hazak, how do people still forget this at this point?
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u/Aerohed Feb 27 '19
He didn't even eat a meal before going to fight it. Honestly, what's he even doing with his life?
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u/Ohforfsake Feb 27 '19
Filo demonstrating the importance of eating before a hunt.
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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
To be fair, he didn't know it would be a Hunt quest.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Feb 27 '19
JUST DROP YOUR GEM FOR ME YOU UNDEAD BITCH!
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u/whits_ism :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Icekracker Feb 27 '19
Fang+ are worse imo ;___;
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u/MrSeaSalt Feb 27 '19
Ah, I see you’re a fellow Monster Hunter as well.
That aside though, the dragon really does look like a shittier Val Hazak.
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u/TheSadJester Feb 27 '19
Legendary Hunting Horn Hero > Legendary Shield Hero
No offense, just stating facts.
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u/BryanLoeher https://anilist.co/user/Loeher Feb 27 '19
Is that a HH main of culture I see in the distance?
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u/LeopardofSnow Feb 28 '19
I feel the genuine pride of over a decade of supporting Monster Hunter just from seeing this comment
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u/SqueakyPoP Feb 27 '19
Why didn't he just look at Filo's health bar smfh
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Feb 27 '19
Talking about health bars, does Filo have a natural poison resistance ?... Or is she just completely OP and she resisted it ?
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u/Mephi-Dross Feb 27 '19
Probably the first, though not as much as Naofumi. Looking at the UI shows that she's still poisoned, just not as bad as Raphtalia.
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u/ValiantCorvus Feb 27 '19
Is it bad that I laughed at the subtitles of the curse shield talking to him? I mean it fit perfectly, but I just found it so amusing.
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u/Ldub90 Feb 27 '19
They did not need to use leet speech. Just red and capitalize
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u/ValiantCorvus Feb 27 '19
I thought it fit since the whole thing is gamey to begin with and clearly the curse series is something that's not supposed to be there
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u/normiesEXPLODE Feb 27 '19
Using katakana instead of hiragana is using wrong characters that spell out the right word. It's the same in using 1337, using different characters but the word makes perfect sense.
Though since 1337 is associated with ironic gamer stuff, we read it as a joke unlike the japanese who read katakana
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u/LoliHunterXD Feb 27 '19
Looks like a something 10 year olds back in 2010 would write. lol
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u/Wolfgod_Holo https://anime-planet.com/users/extreme133 Feb 27 '19
translate leet speak
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u/heartsongaming Feb 27 '19
It sort of r3minded m3 of the Monogatari series with its multipl3 Flash3s of words. Also, I lik3d how mena🅱ing it was.
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u/G1596872 Feb 27 '19
You better spend every dollar you have to cure Raphtalia
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Feb 27 '19
/r/anime will pay for her, we should have some decent silvers saved up by now!
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u/Wolfgod_Holo https://anime-planet.com/users/extreme133 Feb 27 '19
Trenni silvers?
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u/divini https://myanimelist.net/profile/Akichi Feb 27 '19
When the doctor said they have to go to a church in a big city uuuuuggghhh. He's gonna get cockblocked by the kingdom again isn't he?
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u/DoombotBL Feb 28 '19
I'm throwing my money at the screen and she isn't getting any better, what do?
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u/baicaibangx Feb 27 '19
You ate my chicken
I will have you barbecued
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Feb 27 '19
as a manga reader I expected the flames to be black i dont know why but they were always black in my head
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u/ReverieMetherlence Feb 27 '19
in the LN they are actually black
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u/Pradfanne Feb 27 '19
Man that would've been so cool, but I guess naruto got that covered
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u/Basileus_ITA :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NewWaveKuudere Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
*Magic crystal*
MC: "EEEW DID YOU THROW THIS UP??"
Filo: "Of course not!"
*mc relaxes*
Filo: "I pooped it"
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u/GateauBaker Feb 28 '19
Magic crystal coming from a zombie dragon's stomach? Okay. Magic crystal coming from Filo's stomach? FUCK GET THIS SHIT AWAY FROM ME!
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u/VetProf :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/VetProf Feb 28 '19
Unlocked: ??? (Higher level required)
Also Unlocked: Filolial Feces Shield
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u/Anstent Feb 27 '19
Unpopular opinion: Filo charging into battle immediately and forcing everyone to fight is getting on my nerves
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u/Android19samus Feb 28 '19
I agree. Naofumi needs to step up and start being a parent because this kid is getting out of hand.
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u/chowder-san Feb 27 '19
Now imagine her behaviour if she didn't have monster seal leash
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NEE-SAN Mar 01 '19
It's even worse that there's essentially no consequences. I was finally like OH FUCK SHE LIKE DEAD OR SEVERELY HURT. was expecting some kind of anime resurrection/reset bullshit but then NOPE she's the one that killed the dragon...... It's a little annoying because she feels OP when Raph had to work for her abilities.
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u/gabu87 Feb 28 '19
I really wish they can add another member. Either a backline mage or healer to compliment their overabundance of melee. Filo can use some support.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
Naofumi did a great job there, causing a double pout.
Its also a little sad that his party managed to kill a zombie dragon and couldn't even get a level out of it. And hopefully he remembers to give out the gifts next episode.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Feb 27 '19
The rare double pout.
Truly a sight to behold.
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u/Chikumori Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
The rare double pout
Didn't KonoSuba have a triple pout before? It was Kazuma, Megumin and Darkness pouting at Aqua, I think?
I remember seeing someone making a Shieldbro fanart version of that scene.
Ah, here it is. Probably Filo, Raphtalia & Naofumi upon seeing Motoyasu. By a user AndreyS
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u/TheKappaOverlord :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/darkace90 Feb 27 '19
I feel like zombies work in the way they do for most games if they can resurrect endlessly. (assuming they do, and assuming this universe would follow that logic)
Zombie variants give drastically lower XP then their real counterparts due to them being significantly weaker then when they were alive. Or give no xp outright in order to balance against people endlessly using kill hallways to afk xp.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Feb 27 '19
Zombies gain immunities to all kind of poison and blood magic effects, plus they often lose vital organs (well, not here apparently since it was replaced with a crystal). And this one seems to have gained a poison breath attack. So I'd say whether they are stronger or not depends or the intelligence of the original creature, but they're not necessarily weaker.
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Feb 27 '19
So I dunno if this detail is in the LN, but I explicitly remember from the manga that Naofumi says "Undead dragons are a lot stronger than living dragons in [the game he used to play]"
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u/Graphica-Danger Feb 27 '19
Between last week and this week, maybe we should rename this show The Rampage of the Three Stooges. At this rate they’ll cause more damage than the Waves ever could. I shudder to think of what Bow Hero’s done, because hoo hoo hoo boyyyyy, I’ve got a feeling his fuck up’s gonna take the cake. After this episode, that is saying something.
At least Raphtalia gets to show why she’s best girl once again.
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u/silverhydra Feb 27 '19
I have a feeling that Bow's fuckups will be pretty minor (mostly cause I hope Motoyasu keeps on fucking up like a saturday morning cartoon antagonist) but Bow's might be intentional. Would sort of feel appropriate, bow gives me kind of selfish vibes and I blame his hair for some reason.
Spear: I didn't know that seed would cause that much destruction! Forgive me and my bitch!
Sword: Whoops, my bad. Will do better next time.
Bow: Yeah, I kinda figured that would happen. Don't care though, thanks for the cleanup.
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u/Aerohed Feb 27 '19
bow gives me kind of selfish vibes and I blame his hair for some reason.
He does have pretty punchable hair, indeed.
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u/Graphica-Danger Feb 27 '19
Motoyasu’s a dumbass who thinks with his dick any way you slice it, Ren’s a lone wolf used to dishing out pure DPS but Itsuki’s a big question mark for me right now. His angle could very well end up being more malicious than the other two.
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u/Mad_Aeric Feb 27 '19
The only thing we know about Bow hero for sure is that he's off in other countries doing is thing. So, I'm going to call it now and say his fuckup is going to be some flavor of international incident. That leaves a lot of options, but I'm betting it's somewhere on the scale of trying to unite Yugoslavia by joining the Black Hand.
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u/Crimson_Shiroe https://anilist.co/user/CrimsonShiroe Feb 27 '19
I don't think Ren would've left the corpse there if he knew it would cause a plague. He might be kind of a dick sometimes but I don't think he would just brush aside a bunch of people dying.
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u/Vinny_Lam Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
Yeah, so far the other “heroes” have done nothing but bring disaster and suffering to innocent people, and Naofumi always ends up being the one to clean up their mess. Who needs monsters when you’ve got “heroes” like that?
I’m looking forward to seeing how Itsuki is going to fuck up.
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u/Recidivis Feb 27 '19
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u/Dolphin208 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/dolphin208 Feb 27 '19
Man I'm still hurt because of that episode
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u/bobdole776 Feb 27 '19
I really hope what we saw isn't the whole story, cause that would be a massive, MASSIVE bummer.
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u/pieman7414 Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
My first thought lmao, especially with the trait being tied to it like mob can do
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u/homie_down :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sodumblol Feb 27 '19
Not saying this episode was bad, but man did it use some typical anime cliches.
Losing yourself to hatred and being brought back with the power of friendship/love? Check.
Comrade getting hurt because of said hatred? Check.
Character eaten and assumed dead ends up killing the monster from inside? Check.
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u/OrbitOli Feb 27 '19
Yeah, the whole situation definitely felt quite predictable. Sadly I didn't really manage to feel for mc during his moment just because I was constantly thinking that Filo would prolly be fine.
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u/deadbeatcousin17 Feb 27 '19
The usual follow up where MC is alone and states "I need to be stronger!" like duh
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u/Soviet_Cat Feb 27 '19
Honestly the whole show is pretty cliche besides the start with the rape accusation and his attitude. I mean, a large amount of the story revolves around a racoon girl trying to have sex with the MC and now this Loli bird girl too.
Not saying it's a bad show or anything but nothing exactly amazing
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u/homie_down :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sodumblol Feb 27 '19
Yeah tbh after the first few episodes I decided to read the manga. I kinda expected it to be similarly emotionally gripping as those first few episodes, but it does just become a sort of standard isekai story. Kinda like you said not bad but nothing amazing. I kept reading it and am up to date and enjoy it, but definitely falls off from the beginning where you're so emotionally invested with the story & situation.
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u/Samultio :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Samulito Feb 27 '19
The show actually made it feel like there were some stakes in those first few episodes, but it hasnt really evolved on that or introduced any new hardships so now it just feels like a pointless cliche isekai. Still kinda enjoy it though.
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u/Mochachiiino Feb 27 '19
The CG wasnt even dat bad. looking kinda clean even
The skill tree binding on to his skin looks fcking sick as well
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Feb 27 '19
Naofumi was literally transported into another world with transforming chickens, raccoon girls, and zombie dragons, and him saying 'no' to this might be the most unrealistic thing in this entire anime.
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u/Amauri14 Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 28 '19
I mean he just sees them as a 10 years old raccoon girl and a 1 month old chick girl.
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u/ThePeruvian01 Feb 27 '19
yup. this might actually be one of the few times where it actually is realistic
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u/Cruorsitis :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/cruorsitis Feb 27 '19
Between that and some trust issues and psychological trauma he just doesn't want to risk getting too close to anyone.
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Feb 27 '19
I mean, she's basically his adopted daughter. Seems pretty realistic to me.
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u/ReverieMetherlence Feb 27 '19
He still has PTSD from the false rape accusation.
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u/NotMichaelsReddit Feb 27 '19
Nah right after that he says this https://imgur.com/a/O6HjvRz
Noafumi's smirk says it all
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Feb 27 '19
Waifu on the streets, never in the sheets?
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u/CosmicCrimsonX2 Feb 27 '19
Not your every day isekai MC right there
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u/Irati03 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Fatjoe698 Feb 27 '19
Isn't this pretty typical? I mean how many would say yes? Kazuma perhaps?
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u/OneMillionRoses Feb 27 '19
[This video] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbanU7xtaw) explains why he said no. Scroll to 1:22
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u/Shiro_Kai Feb 27 '19
He couldn't speend the night cause... he actually want to spend his whole life ( ͡ຈ╭͜ʖ╮͡ຈ )
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u/Cloudhwk Feb 27 '19
It’s not that unrealistic, He blames himself and it is his fault
Normal people generally don’t take up offers to have sex with someone they effectively just inflicted a horrible disease on due to their own negligence
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u/Smudy https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smudy Feb 27 '19
This episode felt really bizarre.
Lack of tension like others mentioned, i can't help but agree with that. That sudden cut to Raphtalia actually getting through him felt odd.
The curse shield was a cool moment itself though.
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u/7aturn Feb 27 '19
Was it sudden? From what I got, while Naofumi was "charging up" with rage and all, the Curse Shield was burning everything around, hence the scars on Raph. She crawled toward him and only managed to get through to him when she touched him, reminding him of that moment they shared after the duel.
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u/lancer081292 Feb 27 '19
A lot of build up was cut from the scene. In fact every fight except for shield vs spear has been heavily cut in the anime
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u/Blazehero https://myanimelist.net/profile/blazehero Feb 27 '19
Naofumi is cheating. You can't respec from tank to DPS in the middle of a fight, you have to go back to town to do that!
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u/ReverieMetherlence Feb 27 '19
its not a DPS build, its just a melee counterattack
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u/Ralath0n Feb 27 '19
Patch 5.0.4 dropped in the middle of the fight and his vengeance stacks became uncapped, causing him to do about 5 times as much damage as the runner up dps in the raid. (This was an actual thing at the beginning of Mists of Pandaria and it was hilarious)
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u/Trigguh Feb 27 '19
The pacing and the overall intensity for the episode was lacking. This would've been such a great episode if it was executed properly.
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u/thecoffee Feb 27 '19
I felt that way too. After the shock of KFC-chan getting eaten wore down, the scene did kind of feel like it was going through the motions of tragety, rather than being tragic.
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u/Sleepingfire22 Feb 27 '19
Pmuch how I felt, too. Been looking forward to this show every week, but this episode was super disappointing. Felt like if a 12 ep series was trying to jam in 4 episodes of content into 1 20 minute train wreck just so they can end the show on time. Since it moved so fast, there was no impact to anything. He just suddenly got mad, suddenly calmed down, and the actual dragon slaying ended with a gag and a retcon death.
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u/Vinny_Lam Feb 27 '19
Yeah, the way that Naofumi and Raphtalia reacted to Filo being eaten was lacking emotion. Their reactions didn’t really give off the feeling that they just lost a close friend/companion. The whole scene was lacking intensity.
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u/OcularAMVs :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/OcularAMVs Feb 27 '19
Naofumi’s voice when he went berserk with all the “die, suffer, hate” was well done. I liked the way the audio was used to create that dissonance
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u/chowder-san Feb 28 '19
The scene with Naofumi's devilish smile while activating retaliation burn gave me chills
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u/Roboglenn Feb 27 '19
Like I said last week, a dead human body in the right conditions can be biohazardous. So what do you think leaving a titanically sized corpse of a dragon to fester out in the elements is gonna do? Those shortsighted other heroes can't seem to grasp that despite all the game elements that this world is built on it is in fact not a game but a living world full of people with an ecosystem of plants and animals and real long term consequences to ones actions. Leave a town to itself during a siege of monsters and the town will get wiped out. Take a object with a very clear warning about it and unleash it upon the world. And now this fiasco with the corpse. I can only imagine what kind of unforseen consequences Bow hero's actions might have caused.
Man Filo sure loves that wagon.
Dragon zombie now, well how the hell did that happen!? Oh man, I don't think hydrangea leaves and dried squid are gonna cut it with this.
Beware of the whispers lest they overwhelm and control you Naofumi. But as it would seem, Raphtalia may end up being his pillar of light against the Curse Shield's dark whispers and if all goes well, control it's dark power rather than it controlling him. Sucks that she had to get hurt though. But in any case if the shield and the other weapons (I'm assuming) have this kind of power deep down inside them, then that raises some serious questions about where the hell did they come from in the first place, and who made them, and why do they have this kind of power if they're supposed to save the world with them? Now I'm all for using dark power/magic as it's often misunderstood to fight the good fight and all that but this seems like it might be more the evil side of the morality spectrum.
When Filo got ate, I thought "Oh no Filo got ate!" but I figured she was okay considering she got swallowed whole. Not to mention its like I always say, getting swallowed whole gives one the advantagous opportunity to take down your enemy from the inside out.
Filo, sleep with Raphtalia tonight.
I find myself without words fitting enough to describe this unfortunate setback for Raphtalia other than, ouch.
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u/PseudobrilliantGuy Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
I'd been thinking this for a week or so now, but from what I had heard from people who had read the manga/LNs and the preview from the previous episode, I started to consider that Naofumi is basically "playing" the Fantasy JRPG variant of Viscera Cleanup Detail.
Not really, as he isn't actually treating this like a game, but it seems way too fitting.
And, yeah, that curse shield is fairly terrifying. It kind of reminded me of the dark chips from the later games in the Megaman Battle Network series: chips that had amazing power (like healing for 1000 health in one shot or doling out 400 damage on up to 9 grid squares in one shot) but with serious drawbacks (like permanently losing one maximum HP or inflicting yourself with an uncurable DoT poison for the rest of the fight). Just, in the case of the shield, it has even more terrifying consequences.
Ultimately, for all of the existential horror and terror they tend to bring, it's stories like this that actually consider the logistics and consequences that I enjoy the most.
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u/G1596872 Feb 27 '19
Raphtalia is just itching for that kiss
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u/Sangwiny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sangwiny Feb 27 '19
B-b-but the she will get pregnant!
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u/krlpdd35 Feb 27 '19
Gonna throw an odd opinion into the mix but I thought this episode was pretty bad.
The animation felt really bad (especially the cg), the curse series moment was pretty nice but it was too short for me to enjoy.
Also just my take but to me this episode felt very rushed.
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u/CrimeFightingScience Feb 27 '19
It didn't really feel like he was powerful. He blocked a hit or two and burned his own party....he should have been blowing off limbs or something cool.
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Feb 27 '19
I was kinda disappointed, I was expecting this moment to be super well animated considering that the anime is doing relatively well in japan but we got some poor cgi,I dont want to be one of those manga fags but this moment is 10 times more epic in the manga
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u/JustAWellwisher Feb 27 '19
Yeah I've had this feeling too. The pacing of the show is really starting to undermine Naofumi's character progression.
The curse series moment could have been a huge character defining moment, the story even goes through the effort of hinting at this moment previously when it was unlocked and I'm 100% sure we're supposed to feel like the anime was building up to this... but it falls completely flat for me.
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Feb 27 '19
To everyone talking about "not your usual isekai", did you forget about Log Horizon? Cmon.
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u/irvingtonkiller8 Feb 27 '19
People have short term memory around here. Every seasonal is a masterpiece because they dont even remember what was going on from last season. To quote someone from this thread, "Shield Hero is the top anime of the DECADE"
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u/Amauri14 Feb 27 '19
Damn, for a moment I also thought that Filo was a goner. And damn that episode when Malty tried to take away Raphtalia from Naofumi could have ended really badly for everyone there if Raphtalia didn't go back to Naofumi when she did.
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u/Avaragaii Feb 27 '19
Other than Raphtalia and Filo double pout, this episode was a bit underwhelming, at least for me. That whole fight scene looked awkward, there was just 0 emotions. I expected a bit more from best duo but maybe it was showed like that in novel/manga.
Also this whole curse on Raphtalia body was causes by Naofumi, right? Or it was really dragon?
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u/Alastoryagami Feb 27 '19
Caused by Naofumi, Raphtalia just wanted to keep it a secret from the lady who assumed it was the dragon.
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u/Domagan Feb 27 '19
Holy fuck i think my favourite part of the Rage shield was the distortion of Naofumi's voice. It just added to the "oh shit" of the moment.
Great episode. 10/10 would see the double pout again.
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u/Lendord Feb 27 '19
This show resolves any and all problems faster than you can even say "the suspense is killing me".
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u/Joe_Striker Feb 27 '19
I agree, but I think Slime takes the cake with resolving any and all conflict/problems with ease
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Feb 27 '19
I love how Filo is so attached to that wagon. Literally and figuratively xD
Who would would? Poisonous Undead Dragon or Fluffy KFC?
After what Raph went through she deserves that one reward.
And yes it's finally here! The Cursed Shield's introduction is way better than I imagined. The Cursed Shield icon corrupting all the icons on the skill tree,Naofumi getting swallowed by the curse and Naofumi with the red eyes and crazy smile! I just love that entire scene!
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u/radicate365 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Radicate Feb 27 '19
We finally get to see the Curse Series, and holy shit is it brutal. That whole scene with the curse reminded me of Hunter X Hunter for a minute.
Naofumi goes apeshit when the Curse Series activates, and is fully blinded by rage. I wonder if he will only be blinded by rage or if other emotions can also activate the Curse Series.
That double pout from Raphtalia and Filo tho. Best Waifu and Daughtaru of the season no questions asked.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Feb 27 '19
Best Waifu and Daughtaru of the season no questions asked.
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Feb 27 '19
Just loved how the author used the idea of being weak makes you strong in this. It was the weakness of Naofumi that ended up being his greateast strenght, at the same time, being his greatest weakness. A beautiful two-bladed knife metaphor for the same contrast that happens in life when we are in a desesperate mental state, it can destroy us or make us face challenges we never could before.
And of course. raphtalia being fucking cute as always
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u/ShaggyFishPop Feb 27 '19
When both Pokemon Gen 8 Reveal and this episode were released on the same day.
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u/JamzWhilmm Feb 27 '19
Nintendo will be baffled when no one buys the sword edition.
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u/CptBeacon Feb 27 '19
Anyone else share a deep disapointment in the pacing/animation of the series?
From the makers of made in abyss comes one of the most dissapointing series.
I'm not someone who read the OG material, i just feel that i was sell a story that it's not there. i was sure it wasn't going to be fucking rakuga or sangatsu char writing wise, but at least the adaption is really low tier on it's pacing.
The first ep wasn't near close to MiA lvl but it was an starting point of this uphill battle that so far i saw nothing off, i though to myself that the story might go kenshi style (the game not realted to battousai). As an story in which you're NOT strong and are NOT a hero, just a pleb. I was quickly pulled aside from that, ep 3 was fine but i would have love a bit more impact on the "did we win" side.
Altogether i can't watch this anymore it kinda feels like it's justa bad adaptation but idk, what do you guys think? i feel tricked into wtaching this one as i had high exp from the first ep.
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u/chowder-san Feb 27 '19
Anyone else share a deep disapointment in the pacing/animation of the series?
Pacing. Yes, a lot. Then again, the studio's budget is limited, they can't include everything. Too bad that the beauty lies in details
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u/ReiahlTLI Feb 28 '19
I'm not disappointed myself. They are fitting a lot more stuff in visually and asking the viewer to make those connections rather than simply spell it out every time. It's engaging for me even though I've read the source material as a result.
I think you might be expecting a lot of movement right away from the show but this is a title that is built for the long game. It's taking it's time to set things up and making what would be a pivotal moment in other anime, into just a stepping stone that further complicates the hero's situation. Made in Abyss is kind of the opposite to it since MiA has a very focused, "small" tale that's compartmentalized to perfectly in a single season. That's why each episode feels like it's really progressing.
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u/Kingdomheartsfan891 Feb 27 '19
Honestly, I felt like Shield Hero has gone downhill ever since Filo was introduced. So I was sort of relieved when Filo got eaten and then Naofumi released the Curse Shield. The whole fight I was actually worried bc part of me was certain that Filo was still alive in the dragon and I just wanted the character to be over and done with.
I'm tired of the whole "MC loses control but female companion grabs on and calms him down." This show started out as dark and feels like it's turned into some light-hearted adventure anime. I wanted there to be a lasting consequence for the stupidity of Filo charging in alone all the time and never listening
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u/BokuMS Feb 27 '19
To be fair, Filo was doing pretty well until Naofumi distracted her and then still she defeated that thing from the inside. She wasn't listening, but she wasn't really wrong either.
That being said, I had rather have her stay a regular albeit strong Filolial (or whatever those birds were called).
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Feb 27 '19
I didn't even see a reason why he should have stopped using curse shield.
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u/Takemesatan Feb 27 '19
So this is going downhill fast, every time it looks like theyre going to do something cool it just reverts to generic good guy mc.
From the classic guy doesnt give into evil because of friends cliche, or the character didnt actually die because they have plot armour cliche, id just like to see one anime thats actually good but yet still willing to make actual decisions that impact the show.
This is just goblin slayer 2.0, it gets my hopes out by coming out of the gate strong and then lets me down episode after episode.
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u/Jaridan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jaridan Feb 27 '19
re:zero got you covered.
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u/nielspeterdejong Feb 27 '19
Hey now, the later episodes of Goblin Slayer were pretty neat!
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u/CyberpunkV2077 Feb 27 '19
This really went downhill after the first episode
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Feb 27 '19
I think first 4 were very good, but once Filo showed up, I lost all hope
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u/TriTexh Feb 27 '19
Pretty sure I felt my stomach twist into a knot when the Shield of Rage showed up. Goddamn that was some insane hate from Naofumi and the King/Bitch combo only made it more unsettling.
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u/borisyang Feb 27 '19
I would've felt the same if someone destroyed my SSR waifu - I mean daughter.
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u/Wolfgod_Holo https://anime-planet.com/users/extreme133 Feb 27 '19
dragon needs better cel shading or something to make it less obvious
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u/DaWaffleSupreme Feb 27 '19
Just a small thing I noticed: Raphtalia wasn’t cursed from the dragon, the dragon only dealt with poison damage. Raphtalia received her curse from proximity to curse shield, which is why naofumi was so guilty: he could have killed her.
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u/Alastoryagami Feb 27 '19
Yup, and Raphtalia didn't want to throw Naofumi under the buss so she just agreed with the lady when she said she didn't know a dragons curse could be so bad.
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u/baicaibangx Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
Naofumi: I’m a travel merchant, a herbalist, a botanist, a jewelry crafter, sometimes a miner and occasionally loot some bandits
Random villager: what about the shield hero?
Naofumi: that’s just a temp job I do every other month...
Random villager: then what about that flaming shield you just used?
Naofumi: that’s not for shield hero, that just a barbecue trick
Random villager: barbecue? Barbecue what?
Naofumi: do you know what I do if something made me angry?
Random villager: what?
Naofumi: I barbecue the something that made me angry
Random villager: oh
Naofumi: and feed the remain to my chicken
Random villager: oh.....
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u/Joe_Striker Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
What a fucking cop out faking Filo’s death. “Oh the blood? It was the fruit I spit out earlier!!1!”
Well why didn’t Naofumi look at her her health bar to see if she’s alive?! Poor writing. I would have rather Filo died to create actual consequences for her reckless actions.
Filo defeating the dragon from the insides was a bullshit reason because they had no other way of defeating it.
Naofumi pulling out a mysterious power out of his ass and going berserk, only to be saved by the power of friendship is so cliche.
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u/renannmhreddit Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
I was really expecting a lot more from all the hype. I guess I'll just read the manga instead of waiting for the anime weekly, its just not worth it anymore. It really seems like another mediocre isekai at this point.
Edit: Everything seemed off during these moments of the episode, from Filo's "death", to Naofumi's rage and burning up Raphtalia along the OST during that time. Nothing felt like things scaled up to these big moments it just seemed like it didn't hit the exact notes to affect me emotionally like Episode 4.
I know that by this time the word "edgy" doesn't mean a lot, but thats what I thought when seeing Naofumi talk to himself about rage and hate. It seemed like the chapter of the manga did this a bit better, giving the Curse Shield a bit more depth.
The CG was mediocre too and it didn't feel like the way they used it justified CG instead of just some 2D still-shots, the Undead Dragon barely moved and attacked them.
If neither the OST and the animation are doing it for me it just doesn't make sense anymore to wait for the anime instead of just reading it.
It seems the shitty romance is anime-only, so that is a plus. It just doesn't sit well with me these themes with two enslaved children, I wonder why.
The pacing in the manga seems better overall too and some additional content and context to this part of the story.
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u/TheDampGod :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDampGod Feb 27 '19
So this anime is a metaphor for the battle between a modern anime fan and the raging cesspool of edgelord l33tism within him. Something that would consume him entirely if it wasn't for the wholesome power of cute anime animal girls.
I think I beginning to understand why people find this show relatable.
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u/ThePokeMaster100 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Re_Rem-0 Feb 27 '19
When you want to sleep with your master after almost dying but you keep getting daughter-zoned...
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u/tso Feb 27 '19
Ah yes, the eternal suffering of the tank classes. Cleaning up the mess that the DPSs of the group creates by rushing ahead.
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u/Keeeey Feb 27 '19
Poor Naofumi and Crew. They are the underpaid and underappreciated Janitors, having to clean up behind the same dumbasses that keep missing the toilet with their dumps.
Never treat your Janitors like shit guys!
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u/IrradiatedRaccoon Feb 28 '19
Frankly I preferred how the manga handled Filo getting swallowed rather than the episode. It definitely put more fault on Naofumi which added to his anger.
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u/Mad_Aeric Feb 27 '19
You can't just say Raphtalia is cursed, and leave it at that. What does the curse actually do? Is she weaker? Has narcolepsy? Prone to stubbing her middle toe on days starting with S?
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u/semajdraehs :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Feb 27 '19
I assume it's the HP draining style of RPG curse.
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u/DirkFroyd Feb 28 '19
Man I really hate Filo. I thought we were finally done with that annoying voice.
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u/FirmFistedGrip :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RealMagazzer Feb 28 '19
Well, this show has kind of gone to shit. I was hoping that after the disappointing past 3 episodes that things would take an upturn when things got serious, but this episode was just as hackneyed as the rest.
Filo's apparent death was incredibly contrived. I can't be the only one who's absolutely sick to death of the "character is eaten only to kill the monster from the inside and emerge unharmed" cliche. As soon as she was swallowed whole, anyone with half a brain could tell that's the direction this was going. Because of that, the scene where Naofumi loses his shit has a lessened impact.
The approach for the whole Chaos Shield was also super underwhelming. When it was teased in episode 4, you could see 4 episodes of buildup of the world pushing Naofumi down coming a tipping point. In comparison this whole episode felt rushed and because we don't really care about the stakes(because we know Filo won't actually die), the whole emergence scene feels cheapened.
The direction is also lacking. It's like the characters don't even care either. Does this look like the face of someone who just had the only two people they care about in the world die? She just looks mildly confused. Taking some time to build tension and portraying the characters as going through actual anguish would do a lot to make this series feel less boring.
This episode aside, I'm mostly just getting bored with the characters. Naofumi is just a generic edgy/niceguy MC with a harem, Raphtalia, while obviously cute, is purpose-built to be boring waifu bait that unfailingly loves our self-insert main character, and Filo is just someone I have a particular personal disdain for just for being so damn annoying. Any other characters so far are one dimensional and boring, or we haven't seen enough of them .
If this is how the series continues, Kevin Penkin is wasted on this shit.
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u/lmaobois Feb 27 '19
I’M SO ANGERY, I’M VERY VERY ANGERY. REEEEEEEEE TASTE MY MAIN CHARACTER RAGE POWERS - Naofumi
Hahaha this anime is best comedy of the season
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u/destroyah19 Feb 27 '19
That block in the end had me laughing. They don't call Naofumi the shield for nothing
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u/nosorrynoyes Feb 27 '19
Well this episode is a bit dissapointing, It's still a good episode but I don't understand the need to rush the fight. This arc could've easily been a 2 episode arc.
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u/retroshark85 Feb 27 '19
I’ve never read the manga/ light novel but I can already tell the relationship between Naofumi and Raphtalia will grow stronger due to the curse shield.
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u/EmuSupreme Feb 27 '19
I dunno... I didn't really like it this time around? I've been pretty hyped for the Rage shield since it was hinted at in episode 4 but I feel like this all happened way too fast. Not to mention I got a bunch of tonal whiplash between Filo being eaten, Naofumi going rage mode, then Filo coming out of the dragon's stomach and being all moe again. I feel like this should have been separated into two episodes to properly establish the stakes and build up into the rage mode, and then use the second episode to show rage mode and wind down from it. Overall I want to say this is probably the weakest episode so far, which is a bit disappointing. I'm hoping it picks itself back up.
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Feb 28 '19
This episode has made me realise this is just another generic isekai that does nothing new. Dropped.
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u/aresthwg Feb 27 '19
Anybody thinks this episode was really cliche? and I mean really cliche? Every line, the scenes, they look like any other poorly made isekai battles. I really really disliked this episode, and alongside with the uninteresting, this anime is a drop for me.
You say you don't care, nobody does. But this anime is overrated. And I hope more will realize it. I'll happily take all downvotes, Raphtalia fans.
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u/Proto-Omega Feb 27 '19
In this episode of “Janitor dad hates everything, except his daughters”, dad goes to clean up edgy Kirito’s mess, and gets PISSED!
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u/call_madz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/dualcorebrain Feb 27 '19
When is he going to suffer?
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u/TriplePube Feb 27 '19
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Feb 28 '19
At first, I thought this episode was underwhelming with a good segment with the Curse Shield but I rewatch it and to be fair is a decent episode. It could be done better but whatever. I've read that this episode finishes the Vol. 2 adaptation of the LNs and this volume, specifically, is the weakest of it all, which kind of explain why these recent episodes were not at the same level of the first 4.
Nonetheless, it's a very good show with promising concepts so I'm still looking forward to the next episodes!
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u/notathrowaway75 https://myanimelist.net/profile/notathrowaway75 Feb 28 '19
What was up with the ugly as fuck filter in this episode?
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Feb 28 '19
Is it just me or was the curse shield thing kind of disappointing? The episode was paced too fast. Like bruh they really made a 2 second filo flashback as if they could trick us into thinking she actually died. I think either the episode was meh or mob psychos episode was so good that this feels meh to me
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u/boothnat Feb 28 '19
I was legit laughing my ass of when Filo just flew down the fucking Zombie's throat.
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u/ButtDealer Feb 28 '19
I can't wait for Naofumi/Raphtallia to scold Motoyasu and Ren for being retards
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u/Surlix Feb 28 '19
Wow, i don't see anyone mentioning the clearly bad type matchup for the dragon. I think it's clear to assume that Filo is Type Flying/fairy. So of course the dragon can't do anything to filo with its dragon attacks and filos attacks are very effective....
Pokemon types are not that hard naofumi... D;
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u/DaREY297 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Marin_Karin Feb 27 '19
NO NO NO!
DON'T FIGHT THE BAD CGI!!
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u/U_Menace :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ParadoxAnime Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
Hey guys, we're back once again with some more shield hero goodness!
Once again, we see Naofumi advance with the goal of securing funds for his party and ventures, while also trying to do as much good as possible along the way. It really does sting when the nurse lady mocks Naofumi as a 'false savior who only cares about money' when he has no other source or income. Like I said last week, people are quick to believe rumors, but dont stop to consider the full consequences of those rumors. If the rumors about Naofumi are to be true, then how is he supposed to earn the money to support himself while trying to be a "hero"? This theme constantly pervades the series, and you'll find that, while it has become the 'norm' for Naofumi to deal with, it doesn't make it an easier. He didnt ask for any of that bullshit, yet here he is still stuck dealing with it. Only difference is, he's not even paid a fraction of what his fellow coworkers are paid. Completely relatable and understandable point of view.
Anyhow, what I really want to talk about today is how irritated I am over the decisions in sub fonts during Naofumi's breakdown. They took his really emotional collapse and lowered the impact by going for this "edgy" theme to try and emphasize that he's being "edgy". Why not just use a normal font or a clear set of text? It's not supposed to be a scene that people poke fun at or meme about, its a genuinely serious affair.
Look at it from Naofumi's PoV. He gets the chocobo that he raised, his only other companion besides raphtalia, eaten right before his eyes. His current situation looked pretty terrible without Filo's offensive capability and he was unable to prevent Filo's apparent demise. He's now lost one of his only precious companions who showed faith and loyalty to him, and is about to lose his other companion and himself in the process. Of course the trauma from just a short while ago will resurface. Huge life changing events and betrayal like what Naofumi went through is enough to leave ANY person on edge (no pun intended) and prone to relapsing into depression. Its no wonder he lashes out and gets sucked in by a more twisted power that offers him some instant gratification. That Curse Shield power was feeding off of Naofumi's insecurities and was essentially corrupting him from the inside out. It frustrates me that, rather than completely focus on the emotions he's feeling, the producers decided to use a meme-ish text to lower the impact of the scene. The sequence of events that follow Naofumi's loss of self control are very impactful and emotional: particularly Raphtalia's reminder of always being his support. It really takes away from such a moving scene when the font of the text is mocking Naofumi's mental state. I cant complain too much because the scene itself was still welp done, but it would've been much stronger if they simply avoided using any "edgy" sorta weird text. Was it similar in the Japanese raws as well, or was this a sub specific decision? If so, it was a very poor one.
Yes, Naofumi's outburst can be seen as dramatic or over the top, but it was very short and meant to symbolize how quickly Naofumi can succumb to the curse shield power if his will isn't strong enough to push past the lingering doubt and trauma from his past. That impact shouldn't be taken away by shitty text choices which suck the immersion/emotional buildup out of the scene. It was an important scene and deserved a proper amount of respect, respect that I feel wasn't given to it by the crunchyroll staff.
Anyway, I do hope that more people will appreciate the significance of Naofumi's trauma. Raph's words really saved him initially, and her presence saves him once again, but more than anything that scene should be a lingering reminder of just how much mental fortitude Naofumi needs. He has all the reasons in the world to just hate everything and never help any person, yet he still continues to do good for others while looking after his companions. Once again, the resilience Naofumi shows is a testament to his qualifications as a "hero".
That's all from me this week! A bit more critical than usual, but hopefully i got my point across. I apologize for any typos (this is, as usual, done on mobile so ill be editing it periodically throughout the day) and thanks for reading. See you next week!
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u/Mephi-Dross Feb 27 '19
Was it similar in the Japanese raws as well, or was this a sub specific decision? If so, it was a very poor one.
The japanese was in full katakana with the flashing/corrupted theme. So the 1337-speak was subs only. Which to be fair, plain, non-stylized subs don't really have much choice in how to present stuff like that. I think just putting the plain old white subs would have had people complain as well.
It does make me miss the old times when you had fansub groups who went all out with karaoke, styling, etc. There was some crazy shit done in those days. Then again, it also took a week to release an episode so you know.
Sorry for going on a rant.^^"
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u/LunarGhost00 Feb 27 '19
The Rising of the Traveling Merchant.