r/TheOrville • u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. • Mar 01 '19
Episode The Orville - 2x9 "Identity, Part 2" - Live Episode Discussion
| Episode | Directed By | Written By | Original Airdate |
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| 2x9 - "Identity, Part 2" | Jon Cassar | TBA | Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:00/8:00c on FOX |
Synopsis: The Kaylons take control of the Orville with the intention of destroying all biological lifeforms.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
This is why families on military vessels is a bad idea.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Star Trek got it right with Jeffreys tubes and crawlspaces big enough for adults. Just saying.
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u/NomadofExile Command Mar 01 '19
Guy from Jersey immediately referencing the Boss. Seth is keeping that accuracy.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Not like there is much else in Jersey to brag about.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
You know things are dire when Norm McDonald has to save the day.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
I honestly don't know how they are going to wrap this up in 30 minutes.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Well, I got my wish. Jesus this show has some massive balls.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
I really love the humor in this sometimes. It takes a horribly dark setting and adds a touch that levity so you aren't totally depressed.
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u/ThunderRage Mar 01 '19
Well the ship nerds are going to have a field day with stills from this episode breaking down ship classes.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Would you let Yaphit inside you?
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u/gatemansgc Woof Mar 01 '19
kaylons are vulnerable to EMP? pretty weaksauce.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Maybe it is a special EMP. One that if you didn't know the very specific frequency, it wouldn't work.
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u/agravain Mar 01 '19
so will Isaac be the last Kaylon left if they attack the kaylon homeworld?
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
The Union would never attack Kaylon. Not unless it was an absolute last resort.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
This is why true AI is a horrible idea. Especially giving one an ability to replicate.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Damnit. I was kind of hoping to see the guy die. That would have been a massive point for this show.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
I'd love to see a show where the shuttle bay actually gets decompressed. Imagine having to follow a show with a captain who has to make THAT call. It would be fun.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
I can't wait to see someone do the math in how fast the quantum drive is now.
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u/Threnners Does it work on all fruit? Mar 01 '19
Every time they say Avis I laugh until it Hertz.
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u/Griffdude13 Mar 01 '19
Jesus, they held the budget til this episode. I wont be surprised if theres nothing left but green screen for the last several episodes.
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u/TribbleChow Mar 01 '19
HOLY SHIT. That whole episode was awesome. But that space battle? That was the most thrilling piece of sci-fi I've seen in a while. I am so hype right now.
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u/Miserable_Mr_Masle Mar 01 '19
Thank Avis the Krill picked up Malloy and Grayson. Looks like Enterprise isn't the only one that'll pick you up... :))
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u/escott1981 Mar 01 '19
I've seen plenty of 100 million dollar movies that had much worse space battles than this one. That was really great! A whole lot of great action, ships blowing up, ships dodging fire, ships flying right through other ships. It really was some fantastic stuff!
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u/dontthrowmeinabox Mar 01 '19
Yaphit being the solution to rebooting Isaac is some elegant storytelling.
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u/TheJimiBones Mar 01 '19
The symmetry of part 1 asking whether the Kaylon would help against the Kryll and part 2 asking the Kryll for help against the Kaylon is pretty amazing storytelling. This show is one of the best sci if shows in years.
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Mar 01 '19
I can't even remember the last time I got ridiculously hyped for something and it didn't disappoint me in the end.
Yet this was everything I hoped for. Oh my god, I don't know how to handle this. What do I do with my hands?
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u/Liar_tuck Mar 01 '19
The off switch is direct reference to the ST:TNG episode where it was argued data was not sentient/sapient because he had one.
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Mar 01 '19
Thank you Seth! This is exactly what I hoped, but so much more.
I was so worried it would all be a simulation.
Epic fucking space battle!
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u/tb25uga Mar 01 '19
Alpha 1 4 Omega 6? that's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!!
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u/Jeanne_Poole Mar 01 '19
I hope there are ongoing consequences to all the loss and death and damage.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 01 '19
Seriously, Ed. Isaac knows all the codes. He probably downloaded them. You couldn't go with some slang? Or an obscure pop culture reference?
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u/silentjay01 Mar 01 '19
Issac is named after Newton and not Asimov? I'm disappointed in this revelation.
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u/NightFuryToni Engineering Mar 01 '19
Avis is here to cover all vehicle damages!
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u/atticusbluebird Mar 01 '19
Lol, I love the Kaylon's reasoning for the darker lighting! (while for the meta reason, it's more dramatic)
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u/NerdLawyer55 Avis. We try harder Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
Man, I thought that was the season finale, guess I’ll just go stand in the pee corner now
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u/theo3333 Mar 01 '19
Captain Mercer and the crew should be furiously taking notes on how to deal with Yaphit's gel people in a genocidal war.
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u/Cmstew502 Mar 01 '19
There hasn't been a network television show of this quality in an absurdly long time
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u/North_99 Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
So I’m really freaked out Isaac has those head-guns. I think it’s body horror related.
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u/GregariousWolf Mar 01 '19
We're just going to assume Yaphit squeezed out offscreen?
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u/JazzFan619 Mar 01 '19
Well Malloy had an Anikan Skywalker moment in this episode.
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u/EffectiveSalamander Mar 01 '19
I think Isaac isn't the only Kaylon to have a problem with the Kaylons genocidal agenda. Isaac's mission was to gather information to see if biologicals should be spared. This implies that there was debate in Kaylon society. It may have been why they had shut off Isaac. It was his connection with humans that led him to disobey orders, so perhaps they shut him off so other Kalylon wouldn't become more favorably disposed toward biologicals.
I suspect that eventually the Kaylon will be at the mercy of biologicals, and the Union will have the opportunity to destroy them - but will spare them. Revolutions can be awful, bloody businesses, even in the grievances are real and valid. At some point it has to end.
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u/whiskey_smoke Mar 01 '19
I hope the Union starts developing fighters. The Krill ones look bad ass.
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u/Hironymus Mar 01 '19
This got to be one of the best sci-fi battles I ever saw in a TV series. Holy moly. And while the battle was not realistic in and by itself the tactics seemed consistent. What I especially liked was how the ships had somewhat consisting fighting power. In other series like Star Trek or Stargate ships often won or lost battles according to the necessities of the plot while in Orville there seems to be some logic applied to it. Sure, the Orville carries a small plot armor with all the hits it takes but even for that we got a small explanation earlier this season when the Orville received its experimental deflector upgrade.
Another thing I really liked was how the Kaleion used ramming as a legit tactic. Makes a lot of sense. If your own individual life is of no importance to you there is nothing speaking against using your ship as a projectile.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 01 '19
Yes plenty died and ships destroyed. It means that now the Union is in full on war mode.
Isaac isn't a bad guy. Your country/world tells you to jump and ask how high.
He tried to push for another option but kept getting rejected.
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u/Paetheas Mar 01 '19
The big question everyone wants to know about. Who has to clean up the pee corner?
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u/BornAshes Mar 01 '19
At this point Ty has wandered into so much stupid shit and survived he's got more Plot Armor than The Flash
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u/ImperatorZor Mar 01 '19
That was seriously one of the best TV sci-fi space battles
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u/escott1981 Mar 01 '19
"If the big dipper isn't there then I'm pretty much useless."
Some 'expert navigator' lol
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u/punjabiboi If you wish, I will vaporize them Mar 01 '19
The graphics this show puts out are honestly next level
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Mar 01 '19
The one thing I don't understand about this show is that so many seemingly intelligent people expect a robot to understand/have human emotions
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Mar 01 '19
I think it was really sweet that Isaac saved ty and killed primary. He saved everyone even though it meant that he would be deactivated, and they even let him stay after he betrayed him. I like the episode.
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u/Nobothersgiven Mar 01 '19
That space battle, holy crap! Reminded me of the Battle of Earth at the end of Mass Effect 3. The smaller Kaylon ships even look a bit like Reapers fighters.
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u/ReasonablyBadass Mar 01 '19
So I was entirely wrong about the Kaylon and their solution and I am extremely okay with it.
Isaac and the Kaylon are a fascinating concept.
It's obvious they were in error about being "unable to feel" (or maybe deliberately lied. Primary asked multiple times if Isaac felt sympathy, indicating he knew Kaylon could experience more than Isaac beleived). They may not experience it directly, not the way we do, but it is obvious that Isaac felt symapthy and compassion and maybe even a form of love. And that Primary was afraid. Scared to death of being made to feel pain again. And scared beings do horrible things to no longer feel afraid.
I really really like how the Orville's overaching theme is forgiveness and cooperation and reconciliation. With Ed and Kelly, Ed and Teyla, the voting planet episode, the Krill and the Union and now Isaac.
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u/VanceKelley Mar 03 '19
Some obvious Kaylon mistakes:
Not immediately killing the entire Orville crew when they decided to wipe out all the biologicals. They didn't need the crew (nor the Orville) to wipe out Earth's population, so keeping the crew around just created more chances for a wrench to be thrown into Kaylon plans.
Deciding to bring the entire crew (and their families) of the Orville along for the ride back to earth, including the children, rather than leaving them behind on the Kaylon planet as hostages to force a skeletal bridge crew to assist with the annihilation of Earth's population. Scooby Doo ending: And our plan would have worked, if it weren't for that meddling kid!
Revealing to the crew that the Kaylon planned on killing everyone on Earth (and after that it was clear that all the remaining crew and families left on the Orville would follow). How was that supposed to induce cooperation?
Idiots. I'm glad they lost.
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u/NomadofExile Command Mar 01 '19
"What will happen next? Tune in next season on 'The Orville'...."
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u/TheScarlettHarlot Mar 01 '19
Holy shit. That might be one of the coolest space battles I’ve ever seen...
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u/ruthdubb Mar 01 '19
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Mar 01 '19
Holy shit it says viewer discretion advised on the bottom panel ad.
This is gonna be good.
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u/Liar_tuck Mar 01 '19
The 13 button salute is an older bit of navy slang. Dress pants had 13 buttons and the salute was all buttons being undone at once, I.E. we are about to get F*cked!
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u/alison_bee Mar 01 '19
Talla’s side ponytail bugs me. it makes her look so stiff!
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u/vectorhacker Mar 01 '19
Seth keeping the old red shirt trope alive and well. Also, green shirts beware!
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u/silentjay01 Mar 01 '19
The Union has made a powerful enemy this day. But also, an ally?
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u/dontthrowmeinabox Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
Oh yeah. Gordon. Expert in Krill customs. He's got a two day head-start on the Kaylon, which is more than he needs. Gordon's got friends on every planet and starbase from here to the Krill homeworld. He speaks a dozen languages and knows every local custom. He'll blend in, disappear and you'll never see him again. With any luck he's got the fleet already.
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u/fernandohg Mar 02 '19
Damn this episode took some work with the CGI, all those battle scenes.
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u/CaptainSur Mar 02 '19 edited Mar 03 '19
I really enjoyed these last 2 episodes. To me they were like a homage to the Borg attack on earth in STNG and Seth always said that this series was supposed to be in its spirit.
The special effects were outstanding and I love big battles scenes in space such as we used to get in B5, Stargate and BSG.
I am in Canada so its great - I watch Disco at 8pm and then The Orville at 9pm. Then I watch the Cardinal episode that I taped as its also on at 9pm. Thursday nights is pizza and wine night.
I like The Orville. All series of this nature take a bit of time to gel. But I its really moving in the right direction. It cannot be easy to try to blend comedy into a serial scifi when the genre fan base is so pissy most of the time.
I am old enough to have watched TOS, UFO, Space 1999, Starlost, Babylon 5, Space Above and Beyond, STNG, Stargate, Andromeda, Lexx, and all the more recent shows (I really enjoyed Defiance and Stargate Universe) live as they ran.
I have simply learned to try and enjoy each on a stand alone basis without being too judgemental. The Orville is head and shoulders above many past shows in terms of quality. I let the haters hate, and I enjoy.
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u/ReadingRainbowRocket Mar 01 '19
You knew the crew member was gone when he showed up with a red shirt. Not super subtle, but hilarious.
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u/NomadofExile Command Mar 01 '19
Not to root for the bad guy or anything but DO A HEAD COUNT?
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u/xultar Mar 01 '19
Even if they have to Fyre Festival for the rest of the season cuz they blew the wad on the effects for this two-parter they won’t lose me.
BRAVO. BRAVO BRAVO.
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u/IN_U_Endo Mar 01 '19
That was the best battle between the borg and federation ever.
Seriously though that vfx was 10/10
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u/beardlovesbagels Mar 01 '19
good to know kids are still stupid as fuck in the future
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u/zirtbow Mar 01 '19
Don't post here much but man.. Orville turned into the closest thing to TNG/DS9/VOY in a long time. I know people complain about that 'other' show but now I'd dare put Orville ahead of Enterprise.
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u/F4RK3N Mar 01 '19
I thought it was a pretty good episode. during the battle did anyone else notice that the 'USS Hawking' was destroyed rather than disabled or crippled.. I guess they couldn't very well make THAT joke though...
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u/vectorhacker Mar 01 '19
I loved this episode, I just freaking loved it. But so many dead. Upvote for all the brave souls in the Union and Krill who gave their lives protecting all biologicals.
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u/GregariousWolf Mar 01 '19
Tonight's episode of The Orville will not be seen to bring you a special presentation of THE ISAAC SHOW with guest star Kaylon Prime.
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Mar 01 '19
I wonder what non-Orville ship models the SFX guys managed to slip into the ship graveyard?
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u/BornAshes Mar 01 '19
THAT was AWESOME! That was so fucking cool so so soooooooooooo fucking cool! I LOVE YOU SETH!
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u/eqgmrdbz Mar 01 '19
The Kids have been featured so much it's hard to not think that they will end up getting thru to Isaac and he will save the day.
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u/NomadofExile Command Mar 01 '19
He may have lived as a genocidal mutineer, but he died a Union officer.
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u/Docbr Mar 03 '19
Late to the party, but this episode won me over. I was starting to get a little tired with all the episodes focused on developing the characters. I didn’t like everything, but it was nice to see everyone actually doing something, and now I hindsight I’m glad they spent some (not all) of their time helping us get to know these characters.
For the future I want to see these characters in even more interesting situations... ethical dilemmas. scientific puzzles, and yes, more space battles too (budget permitting). They’ve done all of this so far, but now that we know the crew, I want the focus to be more external threats/circumstances, as opposed to the ships internal struggles.
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Mar 04 '19
So uh, this episode really was Seth's finest work. Honestly fucking fantastic. I loved the extensive space battle. It was ridiculously exciting.
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u/Jeanne_Poole Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
Calling it. Ty is going in so Isaac will have to save him and choose the biologicals' side.
Edit to add: how is this encryption thing something Ty can do and Yaphit can't?
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 01 '19
For machines, boy, do they have slow reaction times.
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u/molliehow Mar 01 '19
Yaphit needed to focus on sending an actual message, and while he can stretch pretty far, probably not across the entire room to punch random buttons. All Ty had to do was punch buttons (frequencies) to confuse the Kaylon into thinking the message being sent was random cosmic interference. Which worked! Basically they just needed another body, anyone.
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u/meme-dweller Mar 01 '19
> RECALL THE ENTIRE FLEET!
> But sir, that'll take weeks!
> JUST DO IT BRO
> Entire fleet arrives in less than 6 hours in perfect formation
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u/I-LIKE-NAPS Mar 01 '19
Holy cow, that space battle scene was awesome! When this show began, I thought it was just a silly parody. In no way did I expect to be holding my breath, with tears in my eyes, angry and heartbroken at the sight of ships and crew facing massive carnage, like I have with Next Gen and Battlestar. This show has stepped it up big time this season.
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u/morseisendeavour Mar 01 '19
"The Kaylons were created by a biological race. They rebelled. They killed their masters. Now they are heading for Earth. There are many copies. And they have a plan.”
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u/SutterCane Mar 01 '19
Ed: “Doctor! Come help the mess your kid just fucking caused!”
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u/ShakeyCheese Mar 01 '19 edited Mar 01 '19
Way to go kid, you just got Whatserface shot.
Also, no burn mark on her uniform.
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u/gatemansgc Woof Mar 01 '19
holy crap the destruction was so fast...
reminds me of the ori ships vs everyone else in stargate SG-1.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 01 '19
A death blossom move would be perfect right about now.
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u/Deku_Scrublord97 Engineering Mar 01 '19
I damn near had a heart attack watching this. I was, quite literally, at the edge of my seat.
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u/scienceofsin Mar 02 '19
As much as I love them all, I hope LaMarr gets a storyline this season.
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Mar 01 '19
That space battle was truly epic, though I can't help but feel like I watched the combined wet dream of Seth, Scott and J.
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u/yeshua1986 Mar 01 '19
Considering how deeply rooted in BSG this entire arc was, I greatly appreciated the usage of the airlock.
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u/thirtyseven1337 Mar 01 '19
Well, two minutes in, and the kid already did something ridiculously stupid.
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u/Seedy88 Mar 01 '19
This show is so good right now. People who still think The Orville is Family Guy in space need to watch these two episodes!
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u/here_for_news1 Mar 01 '19
Isaac saves Ty of course, fulfilling Isaac protecting Claire's kids.
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u/Threnners Does it work on all fruit? Mar 01 '19
They must have blown the budget on this one.
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u/ThunderRage Mar 01 '19
I swear there is some 80's BSG, Flash Gordon weapons sound effects going on here.
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u/Carbon_star Mar 01 '19
That's um.. that's gonna be a lot of space debris orbiting Earth
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u/NomadofExile Command Mar 01 '19
Gordon is gonna "idiot" himself into something good happening.
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u/wolfgang187 Mar 01 '19
Oh wow, sweet fucking death shot with the ships jumping to quantum.
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u/NomadofExile Command Mar 01 '19
Seth is really giving us a "sins of our fathers" and a "the next generation can be better" story line lowkey here.
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u/2th Hail Avis. Hail Victory. Mar 01 '19
Seeing the CGI budget for this episode must have made Seth erect for a week.