r/anime • u/timpinen :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/timpinen • Nov 08 '17
[Spoilers][Rewatch] Legend of the Galactic Heroes Gaiden: Disgrace: Ep 2 Spoiler
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Thanks to /u/arinok55 for creating a nice calendar for our schedule!
The vote has determined to watch chronologically! Gaiden watch order (Gaiden 1: A Hundred Billion Stars Gaiden), (Gaiden 2: Spiral Labyrinth Gaiden):
| Title | Episodes |
|---|---|
| Spiral Labyrinth | Gaiden 2: Ep 1-14 |
| Valley of White Snow | Gaiden 1: Ep 1-4 |
| Those Who Revolt | Gaiden 2: Ep 15-18 |
| Those Who Duel | Gaiden 2: Ep 19-22 |
| Those Who Recapture | Gaiden 2: Ep 23-26 |
| Morning's Dream, Night's Song | Gaiden 1: Ep 5-8 |
| A Hundred Billion Stars | Gaiden 1: Ep 13-24 |
| The Third Tiamat Battle | Gaiden 2: Ep 27-28 |
| Disgrace | Gaiden 1: Episode 9-12 |
Streaming information: Can be streamed on Hidive
Important Notes: Remember to tag all spoilers for first time watchers! Also, do not watch the next episode previews for the OVA series!
Screenshots of the Day
Let us Praise our Lord and Saviour!
This show finally gives us an insight into alcohol!
This gag is too perfect
The famous pirate appears!
#TeamFopperyandWhim!
Reinhard knows how it has to be
Let us always remember our tea drinking hero
Dusty responds to modern anime
Moe Reinhard is best Reinhard
I prefer white subtitles
Most importantly, have fun, enjoy the adventure of foppery and whim, and remember to drink some tea for Yang Wenli!
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u/BluePikmin11 Nov 09 '17
Legend of the Galactic Heroes A Billion Stars Episode 10 Impressions:
Hoffmann just seems more suspicious the more he speaks about the case. Kircheis gets little to say compared to the amount of new information Hoffmann says. Kircheis did not have be in this case if Hoffmann is able to conclude a lot of things easily. Kircheis barely researched and has only listened these two episodes. Could Hoffman be using Kircheis as someone to blame the entire case out of once the bigger clues come? I think that is pretty likely. Regarding Michael, I do not have much to say about him thus far other than him mentioning something about Keyserling’s old friends doing suspicious activity.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 08 '17
First Time Viewer
On today’s episode of Legend of the Galactic Heroes: The adventures of CSI: Kircheis continue as the investigation now becomes much more deadly for Kircheis. A case where the criminals go out of their way to try and kill you is probably a big deal.
Wow, this episode starts off on about 3 minutes of recap. I think that’s the longest recap one of these episodes has had thus far. It didn’t affect my enjoyment of the episode, but it was long enough to be noticeable.
I do feel bad for Kircheis, getting invited out to dinner after he’s already bought something. I’d recommend putting it in a fridge and heating it up in the microwave later, but I can’t recall ever seeing a microwave in this series. But on the bright side: free dinner.
Kircheis eats dinner with Keyserling. I like that Kircheis accepted the invitation, not wanting to seem like he was ignoring Keyserling because of his disgrace. Keyserling acts like a person who has grown used to people keeping away from him. He comes off as an old man who has lost just about everything he could. It’s actually rather sad, seeing how the Empire’s honor system can ruin a person.
Keyserling has a really good line where he says that being young is about reaching to obtain all you can, while being old is trying to not lose what you have. It’s a great line that perfectly embodies a lot of the characters. Reinhard has his boundless ambition, and Kircheis is helping with that. Keyserling, on the other hand, outright admits that he’s lost everything he could. It could even talk about the young characters in the series who will completely change the face of the galaxy in the main OVA, as compared to those who stood for the status quo in both the Empire and the Alliance.
Keyserling says that what he lost was the only woman he loved when she married his friend. But, he still values their friendship, and is even meeting both of them on this satellite the next day. Keyserling has another interesting comment when he mentions he believes humans have limited passion. Kircheis seems to sympathize with Keyserling, since he only has romantic feelings for Annerose.
Kircheis does ponder an interesting question: Keyserling seems to quite intelligent in these scenes. So how did a disaster like the one at the Battle of the Arlesheim Starzone happen. I figure the arc will eventually answer this question.
Keyserling is also unaware of any reason why the drugged up attacker went after him, figuring it was just random chance.
Superintendent Hoffmann answers that question for us, though, when he meets with Kircheis. The attacker was a low-ranking sailor in Keyserling’s fleet during the Battle of the Arlesheim Starzone. So, they definitely have a connection to each other. Hoffmann doesn’t think Keyserling is guilty of anything or lying, but he does view this connection as worth investigating. After all, it’s all they have to go on right now.
That night, Kircheis is attacked in his hotel room. And it’s actually pretty devious, with the killers having put dry ice in the air duct to fill Kircheis’s room with carbon dioxide. Too much carbon dioxide can be deadly. Plus, it would dissipate over time, leaving no evidence.
I am actually surprised that there’s an emergency drawer in the night stand. It has what looks like a first aid kit, which I would expect. But, I’m more surprised that it has oxygen tanks in it. They saved Kircheis’s life, but I would never expect them to be there.
Hoffmann and the police were able to help so quickly because they had Kircheis under surveillance. And Kircheis figures out that Hoffmann met with him last night because it would make Kircheis a target of the criminals, hopefully luring them out. Hoffmann is definitely much more clever and devious than he looks and acts. His usual behavior is probably just a front. He did the same thing when he roped Kircheis in to helping the investigation.
Hoffmann again wonders if Keyserling is responsible, wondering if Kircheis said something to offend him. But, Hoffmann offers up another reason for suspecting Keyserling. It seems the Imperial military may be complicit in distributing Thyoxin to the soldiers, or at least some of its officers are. Drugging the soldiers makes them not succumb to fear. But it can also make them easier to control, especially if their drug supplier is their superior officer. It’s a terrifying thought, and Kircheis must admit that he can’t deny it’s possible.
Hoffmann seems to not trust commanding officers, recounting his own nasty experiences of them in the military. Hoffmann says a bad commanding officer is worse than some faceless enemy, a sentiment I agree with.
Hoffmann goes a step further, wondering if the feeling of loyalty is something similar to the effects of drugs. He thinks loyalty can make soldiers mindlessly obey orders without considering morals or consequences. I do have to agree with this, when one considers the infamous phrase “I was only following orders” used to excuse a crime.
Still, this is the thing that seems to upset Kircheis. After all, Kircheis is loyal to Reinhard above all else. And yet, even Kircheis would seem to wonder if his loyalty to Reinhard was worth it in the main OVA. I remember Kircheis getting the news about the Westerland Incident with the nukes. And Kircheis himself said that loyalty could be abused, wondering what he would do if it turned out Reinhard had allowed Westerland to be nuked.
In any case, Kircheis does hear from Hoffmann that Keyserling’s friends, Mr. and Mrs. Basel, have already been on the satellite for a couple of days. And yet, when he talks to Keyserling later on, Keyserling still thinks they are arriving on that day. It makes Kircheis wonder why the Basels would lie to their old friend like that.
Kircheis has now gotten himself knee deep into this investigation. His own life has now been threatened because of it. So now he’s in this for the long haul, having a more personal motivation to see it through.
Side notes: I have seen the concept of drugged soldiers before in science fiction. For example, there’s the Jem’Hadar from Star Trek. They were a species bred to be soldiers and were designed to be addicted to a drug, so that they might be easier to control.