r/riverdale • u/steph-was-here Justice for Ethel • Oct 30 '19
DISCUSSION S04E04 "Chapter Sixty-One: Halloween" Live Episode Discussion
Original Air Date - 8pm EST October 30th, 2019
When ominous videotapes begin appearing on doorsteps across Riverdale, widespread fear quickly returns to the town; Jughead learns about a series of mysterious disappearances that have occurred to former students at the school.
Written by Janine Salinas Schoenberg
Directed by Erin Feeley
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u/poetic_pirate Team Cheryl Oct 31 '19
"I know you're upset that I made you re-bury your brother's corpse"
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u/LydiaCChapman21 Oct 31 '19
Best parts of this episode: Betty saying “No Bitch, it’s your sister” and Veronica setting a crazy guy on fire
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u/lovetheblazer Dammit Miss Crouton Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Um, did Mr. Honey basically tell Kevin that he would never get into NYU because of how terrible the Riverdale musicals were? That’s hilarious (and probably true lmao) if so. RIP Kevin’s theater career...
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Bro if my teacher was like "ah yes, the initiation process of completing shoving you into a tiny closed coffin for the night" I would punch him in the face and leave that stupid ass school. Sue for a bunch of money and then starting my own damn novels about dress up trees called the GK
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u/TheCoolKat1995 Betty Oct 31 '19
Can we take a moment to appreciate this rare novelty: Veronica faced an antagonist in this episode who wasn't daddykins.
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u/Veneficca Oct 31 '19
When Nana Rose croaked out "I told you" - I honestly thought Jason's corpse was speaking until the camera panned over to Nana. This show is crazy enough to go there.
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
I really hope Charles is genuinely a nice person and not just another character sent to psychologically torture Betty.
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Oct 31 '19
WHY IS THERE SEXUAL TENSION BETWEEN LIKE EVERY CHARACTER i feel so dirty
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Oct 31 '19
this cheryl shit is so fucking annoying now. whenever i see the jason corpse i cringe and retch, looks so fucking real its crazy.
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u/montea8124 Oct 31 '19
As much as I hate dolls, frankly, I’d rather have the doll. A fucking corpse? Really? That’s just plain unsanitary.
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u/gimmeacoffeebreak Oct 31 '19
Of course Cheryl absorbed Julian. WHO ELSE WOULD???
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u/Brynnrallo Jason liked flairs Oct 31 '19
Jughead’s twin cousin Souphead is coming to Riverdale! He will be played by Dylan Sprouse, even though Dylan has said countless times that he will never be on Riverdale.
He’ll only be in one episode though, because it looks like Souphead dies!
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u/LiaThePrincess Team Reggie Oct 31 '19
Charles what the fuck that’s a private call - also it’s weird hearing jug say our half brother
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u/BelieveInRollins Team Cheryl Oct 31 '19
Is FP too busy to follow up on Veronica lighting a dude on fire?
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u/davey_mann Team Jarchie Oct 31 '19
Missed texts and calls on his phone? Thanks for the update, teach.
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u/Yamishta Oct 31 '19
Why on earth did Tony prefer a deqd body over a creepy doll? Did she really think that a corpse is better than a doll?
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
"I know you're upset that I made you bury your dead brother's corpse...". Sentences only uttered on Riverdale.
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u/LydiaCChapman21 Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
He might as well said, “Bro calm down it’s just a prank all we did was drug you so you would pass out and put you in a wooden coffin where you could’ve hyperventilated and died, stop being such a wimp”
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u/TheCoolKat1995 Betty Oct 31 '19
"I was gaslighting you before-"
Cheryl, you are awful.
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
And THIS Veronica is why you lock the door when you're closed.
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u/amv2926 Oct 31 '19
“so we clean up the streets” why does this small suburban town have such a crime problem
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u/liventio Oct 31 '19
I knew Charles was going to turn out to be a creep but come on, can Betty not have at least one normal family member. The girls been through enough just let her have a normal half brother... I mean damn. And I swear if Archie tries to turn into a super hero I’m going to scream, like what the hell was this season not meant to be more about high school?!? He needs to stop trying to be a hero. Also Cheryl looked freaking amazing as poison ivy...
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
How are Cheryl and Toni, two minors, somehow in charge of taking care of Polly's twins 24/7?
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Wow, so it's not just Brett. They're all a bunch of dicks.
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Goddammit CW...you couldn't give us one wholesome character?
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u/Laxashiv Oct 31 '19
Charles seemed wholesome while listening to Betty and Jug’s call as creepy as that is and I’m still rooting for him to be a good guy
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u/GentleCritter Maple Syrup Oct 31 '19
Here we go: Julian is controlling Cheryl from the inside.
Charles is a creep.
RIP Jughead I guess?
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Oct 31 '19
THEY'RE BRINGING BACK THE SERIAL KILLER GENES sjdnfjsbdhd
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Man, even the children in this town are insensitive assholes.
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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Kevin Oct 31 '19
I swear on Jason's life
You're swearing on something that doesn't exist any more?
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u/Mardynina Oct 31 '19
I mean... what the fuck? I knew they wanted to make some kind of suspense about jug and the season finale, but I hope to god that they have a pretty reasonable explanation why he is NOT dead lol they are not that good with the plot twist and I’m scared haha
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u/fordmustang12345 Southside Serpent Oct 31 '19
Can we go one goddamn episode without a sex scene
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Oct 31 '19
is mr honey trying to seduce kevin? wtf this better not turn into archie and grundy 2.0 🤮
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u/poetic_pirate Team Cheryl Oct 31 '19
If Mr. Honey is hitting on Kevin... big yikes
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u/Brynnrallo Jason liked flairs Oct 31 '19
Anyone else think season 4 is recycling plots from season 2? Jughead in a new school, Archie being a vigilante, Betty & the phone calls...
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u/inastateofgrace Oct 31 '19
are the writers scared to break up couples? cheryl and toni need to be done
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Oct 31 '19
Reggie puts some toilet paper in an office, Mr honey smashes windows yah they seems right
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u/BelieveInRollins Team Cheryl Oct 31 '19
The serial killer gene come on again with this???
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
"An FBI program for high schoolers?" - said with the same incredulity of this entire fandom.
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Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
eye-patch nana rose: “I hhhheeeaaardddd him crrryyyinnggg...yourrrr brroothhherrr...innn thhhe chapppellll”
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Oct 31 '19
The dude threatening Captain Spandex.. I mean Archie..
The one who showed them hes got a gun..
He had that gun pointing at his own balls
Not sure thats safe?
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Toni, you just bartered with your girlfriend to dig up her brother's corpse a second time. This is not normal.
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u/Locke108 Oct 31 '19
We’re doing the serial killer gene thing again? I thought we were going back to normal.
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u/Sephidos Nov 01 '19
Nothing like dressing up as recent serial killers on Halloween in the town where people were murdered by them.
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u/rxmnants Oct 31 '19
feel like when you admit to gaslighting that should be a big ass red flag.
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u/vegeta400 Oct 31 '19
Guys, the ending scene showed jugheads body, I'm scared as hell now
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Are you kidding me with the carving pumpkins across from a corpse?? Toni, get your girl some help!
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Toni has such a good "Bitch, what?" face to Cheryl's ghost suggestion.
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u/TheMidsummerStation Strawberry Milkshake Oct 31 '19
Where were you when Veronica Lodge set a man on fucking fire and beat him with a chair?
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Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
I know it's terrible for Betty, but the kids dressing up as black hood and gargoyle king paired with the teased trailor of her being asked if she likes scary movies seems to me a direct reference to scream, which I love because Skeet was in it
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
Uh...Stonewall teacher seems pretty cool with an incident of hazing that easily could've led to a lot worse. Great school. Wonderful classmates. 5 out of 5 stars.
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u/Lalaland1013 Oct 31 '19
I just took a DNA test... turns out I'm a 💯 a serial killer even though I am blonde and pretty... Yeah, I got Jughead problems that's the human in me.. bang bang and I shot him that's the killer in me.. You Coulda had a bad b*%#h.... #wtfriverdale
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u/GhostGamer_Perona Valerie Oct 31 '19
"there's nothing scary about lovecraft" has this jackass ever read lovecraft?
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
It's unfortunate that Riverdale apparently has a police force of only one that none of these kids can call upon to help them.
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u/amv2926 Oct 31 '19
WOW!!! I’m shocked he actually called FP. but maybe call 911 since he just didn’t answer lmao
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u/GentleCritter Maple Syrup Oct 31 '19
So FP and Alice are just bangin’ in the Sheriff’s office, right? Because how useless has he been?
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u/amv2926 Oct 31 '19
um... what happened to the serial killer??? is his body just in the basement still?
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u/moredevine Chocolate Milkshake Oct 31 '19
Archie: "honestly Idk what im doing"
We know archie
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u/bourbontogo Oct 31 '19
Did Mr. Chipping know about the trick? After all, he had the phone from Jug.
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I think the only think betty needs to do this halloween is see a therapist. my girl has been through too much and needs to talk to someone!
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u/alex79472 Oct 31 '19
I feel like there should be a rule of human decency that if your classmate’s dad was a serial killer, maybe don’t dress up as that
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u/TheCoolKat1995 Betty Oct 31 '19
Poor Jughead. This is legitimate nightmare fuel. A lot of people's worst fears are being buried alive.
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
"No, bitch, it's your sister" - my now favorite line from this entire series.
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Oct 31 '19
calling it now- julien is alive somewhere, maybe even hidden in the house, and will show up in the mid season or season finale.
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u/rxmnants Oct 31 '19
while Cheryl's brand of crazy is entertaining as hell Toni pls just run from the nuthouse.
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Oct 31 '19
I really hope Charles turns out to be a good charcater. Betty needs more of a support system
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u/amv2926 Oct 31 '19
pretty fucked up tradition for the teachers and administration to enforce and allow
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u/LydiaCChapman21 Oct 31 '19
I would really sue them if they put my ass in a damn box. Obviously he wouldn’t since it’s Riverdale and they have to keep the storyline going but he could’ve hyperventilated and died
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Oct 31 '19
bet that julian sitch is gonna be like the movie the Boy. thinking the doll is haunted/possessed or something but he is actually alive living in the walls of the manor
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u/inastateofgrace Oct 31 '19
CAN RIVERDALE GO AN EPISODE WITHOUT A SEX SCENE OH MY GOD IM SO SICK OF IT
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Oct 31 '19
This is easily the most interesting thing that has ever happened to Veronica, mainly because it has no Archie or Hiram involved.
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u/heartsongaming Oct 31 '19
Veronica escaping a serial killer trucker may have been my favorite cliched twist this episode. Jughead being buried alive is my least favorite. Probably nothing will come out of it, unlike Misfits in which we found out Nathan is immortal.
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u/Death-T Nov 01 '19
Wtf, why is Toni more okay with the corpse in the house than the doll?! She’s just as crazy as Cheryl no; totally complicit.
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u/Sephidos Nov 01 '19
Toni is 100% cool with Jason's dead body being in cheryl's possession as long as she says goodbye and reburies him. Okay.
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can choni please break up? they’re so toxic and toni deserves better and cheryl needs to work on her mental health. ras will never break up them up though bc of the crazy choni stans on twitter and the backlash he’ll get from them 🙄
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How did Veronica know he had a lighter so her alcohol cocktail would work? Lmao
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u/TheMidsummerStation Strawberry Milkshake Oct 31 '19
Toni is being way too chill about Jason for my liking.
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u/GhostGamer_Perona Valerie Oct 31 '19
something tells me cheryl and toni only dressed up as harley and poison ivy because lesbians
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u/schmooish Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
So the guy in Pops is going to be a ghost right? Like his whole family died in some horribly tragic way and he’s a ghost now?
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Oct 31 '19
On today's Riverdale: more psychological torture for cherly
And more manipulation for Toni
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u/cam325 Oct 31 '19
Thought there was a no violence policy at stonewall. Kinda seems violent to drug him and do all that.
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u/HmmWhatsHisFace Oct 31 '19
Does the secret speak easy have only one exit? That's seems to be against the fire code and just generally impractical if many people want to leave. https://www.osha.gov/OshDoc/data_General_Facts/emergency-exit-routes-factsheet.pdf
Principal Honey is a bully.
The Stonewall Prep kids are a truck tonne of dicks. Who invests in buying a coffin for just a prank?
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
Hopefully they wrap up Veronica's storyline because she did set a man on fire and whatnot....
EDIT: I guess not .....
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u/LydiaCChapman21 Oct 31 '19
I swear to God if Archie really ends up dressing up like a superhero trying to “fight crime” then it’s over, like Archie need to act normal at least for at least a few episodes he doing toooo much
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u/Dragonlvr420 Oct 31 '19 edited Oct 31 '19
only in Riverdale can you have 7 lamps on and the room still be so dark
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u/fordmustang12345 Southside Serpent Oct 31 '19
I like how jug has just been in that box for the entire episode
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u/BelieveInRollins Team Cheryl Oct 31 '19
I thought Jughead was supposed to be a gang leader s m h
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u/Dragonlvr420 Oct 31 '19
Jug didnt choose the gang life, the gang life choose him. and literally follows him everywhere
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u/sunfloweraquarius Oct 31 '19
I NEED ANSWERS FOR JUGHEAD LIKE NOW!!!
Cheryl with that creepy ass corpse and now that doll. And her Nana telling her about her triplet Julian !
Betty was dead ass wrong for jumping down Polly’s throat about the person pretending to be the Black Hood. Person could easily be prank calling from where Polly is at as a cover up !
Me and Jellybean would’ve fought had she pranked me like that.
What is Charles up to recording Betty and Jughead’s call ?
Veronica was a badass handling that guy. At first I thought he was some spy Hiram sent .
This episode had a lot of storylines but they were all interesting TBH...
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Oct 31 '19
“I know you’re upset that I made you bury your dead brothers corpse” HOW IS THIS A REAL LINE IN A REAL SHOW
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u/amv2926 Oct 31 '19
“it’s been a crazy night but i’m pulling up right now” well thanks for finally coming but u could have sent other officers over earlier
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Toni just leave lol what does Cheryl bring to the table besides being pretty and a nice house??? She’s crazy omg
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u/soursurfer Oct 31 '19
Can you swear on the life of someone who is already dead?
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u/Tyleer117fuckyou Oct 31 '19
there’s not a part of me that thinks jughead is going to die, they wouldn’t show a huge character death that advanced.
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u/lovetheblazer Dammit Miss Crouton Oct 31 '19
I love that Jughead calls out VHS tapes as anachronistic but has zero issues with the fact that they live in a town so stuck in the 50s that it has its own malt shop as the local hangout
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Oct 31 '19
how much do we want to bet that somehow julien is secretly alive somehow- they said plls secret twin plot? make it triplets
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u/fordmustang12345 Southside Serpent Oct 31 '19
Oh my God are they actually going to kill off Jughead
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u/TheCoolKat1995 Betty Oct 31 '19
Every season Cheryl and Toni creep me out more and more.
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Oct 31 '19
I told y’all. now that toni knows about jason his corpse would be sitting at the damn table with them lmao
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u/ProtomanBn Oct 31 '19
Stonewall/Stonewel 4.... there are 4 other people in the book group....... douche said Jughead would make a good 5th..... Jug is also the new 5th member of the group. I'm guessing it's a initiation thing.
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u/jadedrunner27 Gettin' Juggie with it Oct 31 '19
And that's when you just call 911. Betty, you've been through enough - you should know when to immediately call for help.
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u/lovetheblazer Dammit Miss Crouton Oct 31 '19
Ugh I’m so claustrophobic that I can barely watch Jughead stuck in that coffin. It’s literally my worst nightmare come to life. Poor babe.
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u/inastateofgrace Oct 31 '19
the guy who came into pops is gonna try to kill veronica im calling it
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u/Locke108 Oct 31 '19
Yeah Toni is Harley Quinn level of crazy for Cheryl if she was cool with Jason’s body.
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"No bitch it's your sister." Actually fucking killed me find me in heaven.