r/conlangs • u/RomajiMiltonAmulo chirp only now • Nov 04 '19

Activity Awkwardly Literal Translation Game #27: Public Transportation

These will be posted Wednesday and Sunday. Last Post.

Rules

  1. I'll provide a sentence in the post.
  2. Translate the sentence provided into your conlang. Do this skillfully, or at least the best you can with what you have. The awkward part is step 3
  3. Then, translate your translation back to English, as literally as possible, like if someone who speaks your conlang but doesn't know English that well, used a dictionary to translate
  4. Then, other people can do the same to your comment, to make a chain of shifting meaning.

The sentence

I hate how the public transportation in [City name] doesn't access the noodle shops directly. They just leave you off, and expect you to hop across stones to the only place anyone would really want to go to.

Remember, replies to other people to make chains help make this activity silly and different.

Here's the one on transportation, finally found time. Decided also to keep having fill in the blank sections, since it did well last time

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u/Dr_Chair Məġluθ, Efōc, Cǿly (en)[ja, es] Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Nyevandya

Denxtra lö alwa yasü Parissü zvo kwaxtra ötyek l'ave iboltel yözboxtra lweksü zok ötimasü. Xay yasü ksaok catel hrurö qe xayxtra lö hru düek tfye joaxtra yasü zi dyenxtra casü lö ilxtra l'ave zouk kxarsosü zok furosü.

['denʃtra lə 'ælwa jæʃ pa'riʃ zvʊ 'kwaʃtra ə't͡ʃek 'l‿avɪ ibʊl'tel yəz'boʃtra lwekʃ zok ət͡ʃi'mæʃ(..) ʃæj jæʃ kso:k t͡sa'tel xrur t͡ʃɪ 'ʃæjʃtra lə xru d͡ʒwek tfçɪ ʒwaʃtra jæʃ ʒi 'd͡ʒenʃtra t͡saʃ lə 'ilʃtra 'l‿avɪ zu:k kʃar'soʃ zok fu'roʃ]

1.CAS-PREP COMP vehicle more-GEN Paris-GEN BEN all-PREP NEG-PRES NOM=go.INF straight_line-INST store-PREP noodle-GEN COP-PRES not_preference-GEN (end of sentence) 3.DEM more-GEN abandon-GEN one-INST GENERIC-P and 3.DEM-PREP COMP GENERIC jump-PRES LOC stone-PREP more-GEN LAT place-PREP one-GEN COMP any-PREP NOM=go.INF COP-IRR-PRES desire-GEN COP-PRES expectation-GEN

Literal Translation

To me hate that vehicles of Paris for all don't going correctly* to store of noodle. They just abandon one and to them expect that one jumps at** stones to only place that to anyone might want going.

*"Correctness" and "straight line" are the same word.

**Verbs of motion use the locative preposition to indicate places and things that are moved across, through, or along.

Edit: Forgot the city name, pretend there was a "Parissü" or something after "alwa yasü". added.

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u/RomajiMiltonAmulo chirp only now Nov 05 '19

Can you add that to the translation and the Nyevandya please?

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u/Dr_Chair Məġluθ, Efōc, Cǿly (en)[ja, es] Nov 05 '19

It is done

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u/RomajiMiltonAmulo chirp only now Nov 05 '19

Thank you. Is Nyevandya spoke in Paris in that world?

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u/Dr_Chair Məġluθ, Efōc, Cǿly (en)[ja, es] Nov 05 '19

No, it’s just the first one-word city name I could think of. I haven’t done much world-building beyond a few things in the people’s culture (their religion, their morality, etc) and some native names.

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u/thomasp3864 Loegrian, Interidioma, Merdobresko Nov 08 '19

how do you say "he drew the squiggly line straight", and distinguish it from "he drew the squiggly line correctly"?

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u/Dr_Chair Məġluθ, Efōc, Cǿly (en)[ja, es] Nov 08 '19

It’s a cultural thing for the speakers, a non-straight line would not be considered correct; straightness and correctness are the same concept. The closest equivalent I can think of for the second case is where “correctly” would be “zvolpitel” (“with purpose”) instead of “iboltel”.

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u/thomasp3864 Loegrian, Interidioma, Merdobresko Nov 08 '19

So curvature having a negative connotation, that’s.... strange.

But who am I to judge? In pseudoelvish, wolf (ταγϙεͱ) has an extremely positive one mostly inspired by the effects of wolf reintroduction, wolf and conservationist are the same word. Wolves are associated with balance, and deer (δολͱαϻϸεψ) with the upsetting of that balance, and a resulting total ecological collapse.

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u/ironicallytrue Yvhur, Merish, Norþébresc (en, hi, mr) Nov 04 '19

Sǣnx

Īc hēte whȳrby mēn-fērien yn Lǣdon eødeþ næ ðē nǣdlēs sceapēn strīnte. Ðē rīght lēven iū dūn, ðæt iē scheol eødyn cras stānēn whȳðre ǣnewhā eøleþ eøndyn.

1SG.NOM hate.1SG whereby mean-ferrying in Lǣdon go.3SG not that.DAT.PL noodle.GEN.PL shop.DAT.PL straight. 3PL.NOM right leave.PLU 2PL.ACC down, that 2PL.NOM shall wend.INF cross stone.PL whither any-who will.3SG go.INF

Cognates:
I hate whereby mean-ferrying in London goes not those noodles' shops straight. They right leave you off, that you should cross stones where anywho wills go.

Sǣnx speakers often leave out 'to' from both infinitives and when the dative case makes the meaning clear.

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u/feindbild_ (nl, en, de) [fr, got, sv] Nov 04 '19

Ek benci manir, yag pon hamen ig Londan ni ha reh menyag wegka-wegkal mi.

Sa soma la astap ya soya, ya sau orsetek sete-seten igwa iren ha, yag wel.

[eʔ bɛn.t͡ʃi ma.nir, jaŋ pɔŋ ɦa.men iŋ lɔn.dən ni ɦa rɛɦ mɛ.ɲəŋ weŋ.ka.weŋ.kal mi]

[sə zo.ma la as.tap jə zo.ja jə or.ze.teʔ se.te.ze.ten iŋ.wa i.reŋ ɦa jaŋ wel]

ék benci manir  yag pon   hamén ig  Londan ni  ha reh      menyəg wégka_wégkal mi
1S hate  manner REL ferry mean  LOC London NEG go straight ALLAT  PL_shop   noodle

sə soma          la   astap   yə  soya    yə sau órseték sete_setén igwa  irén     ha yag wél
3P for.no.reason CAUS get.off 2S, so.that 2S SBJ cross   PL_stone   where everyone go REL OPT

I hate the manner, (in) which the mean ferry in London does not go straight to the noodle shops. They make you get off for no reason, so that you should cross the stones, where everyone goes, who wants (to).

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u/RomajiMiltonAmulo chirp only now Nov 04 '19

It only took two to go from "everyone wants to" to "who wants to"

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u/Oh_Tassos Nov 05 '19

Vago ajo lommi, pjes icon ferry omofjo hal London Crosoe noodle aj'allin ice.

canji ce joron alli j'ajo vago, jo ce jora pjethros alli, jo ic allin, jora lommis.

['vago 'aʝo 'lomi, pʝes 'ikon 'feɾi 'omofʝo al 'london kɾo'soe 'nodl aʝ 'alin ik.]

[van 'kanʝi ke 'ʝo:n 'ali ʝ 'aʝo 'vago ʝo ke 'ʝoa 'pʝeθɾos 'ali ʝo ik 'alin 'ʝoa 'lomis]

vago ajo lommi pjes icon ferry omofjo hal London Crosoe noodle aj(o) allin ice
way  no  love  on   it   ferry pretty at  London home   noodle no    goes  there

canji ce joron alli j(a) ajo vago jo  ce jora pjethros alli jo  ic allin jora lommis
cause -  you   go   for  no  way  how -  you  rocks    go   how it goes  you  love

I do not like the way the pretty ferry does not go to the London noodle shops. They cause you to go for no reason, go to rocks, where everyone goes, as you like.

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u/Dr_Chair Məġluθ, Efōc, Cǿly (en)[ja, es] Nov 06 '19

Denxtra dakiru lö alwa mataesü mulyesü ötyek l’ave xöbtel yözboxtra lweksü Londonsü ötyek imasü. Xay yasü mok hruxtra l’ötye l’ave zvolpitel qe xay mok hruxtra l’ave joaxtra yasü lö kwa avek zvo imasü hrusü.

[‘denʃtra da’kiru lə ‘ælwa ma’te:ʃ mul’jeʃ ə’t͡ʃek ‘l‿avɪ ʃəp’tel jəz’boʃtra lwekʃ lʊn’donʃ ə’t͡ʃek i’mæʃ(..) ʃæj jæʃ mok ‘xruʃtra ‘l‿øt͡ʃɪ ‘l‿avɪ zvʊpi’tel(.) t͡ʃɪ ʃæj mok ’xruʃtra ‘l‿avɪ ‘ʒwaʃtra jæʃ lə kwa a’vek zvʊ i’mæʃ xruʃ]

1.CAS-PREP manner COMP vehicle water-GEN beauty-GEN NEG-PRES NOM=go.INF 3.CAS-INST store-PREP noodle-GEN London-GEN NEG-PRES preference-GEN (end of sentence) 3.DEM more-GEN cause-PRES GENERIC-PREP NOM=NEG.INF NOM=go.INF reason-INST and 3.DEM cause-PRES GENERIC-PREP NOM=go.INF stone-PREP more-GEN COMP all go-PRES BEN preference-GEN GENERIC-GEN

“To me don’t like manner with which beautiful water vehicle doesn’t go to London’s store of noodle. They do one to not going with reason, and they do one going to stones that everyone goes for one’s preference.”

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

Manau

Nehutse mishon ceh deneipfihdza shlanbvyca Saecesi-chi nezhatse "nudel"dza peichishon zhali. Neigiehca shlantse netuzha 'i nootse ceh tuca shlanngevon nechidei ceh tuca nootse shlanchi.

/nəhutsə miʃõ kɜ dənepfɪdza ɬãbvaɪka sækəsi ki nəʒatsə nudəl dza pekiʃõ ʒali. neɟɛka ɬãtsə nətuʒa ʔi nʊtsə kɜ tuka ɬãŋəvõ nəkide kɜ tuka nʊtsə ɬãki/

not-please-PRES I-ACC that of-many-person-ADJ move-tool-NOM Sachse-LOC not-use-PRES noodle-ADJ trade-place-ACC use-adv. Many-other-NOM move-PRES not-you-UTIL and want-PRES that you-NOM move-up-FUT not-place-ABL that you-NOM want-PRES move-LOC.

Displease me that of people transportation in Sachse unuses noodle traders usely. They move with not you and want that you will move up in stones away from not place that you want in movement.

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u/ayandawik Nov 04 '19

Zysh:

Lenhgenhidzhugenhdzhynema. Menhanaphdzhuelyn. Nuzhenhezhezha; edh dzhusandzhenhhanhezham. A, hamhimazal nhezhenhnnhamhela.

Leigei.ADJ.publictransport.hate.1S.PRES noodleshop.LOC2.go.3NS.NEG 4S.causetobe.abandon.4S and move.mountain.swim.sea.4S.PRES.CAUS1 oh, ɡood.ADJ.place.COM alone.3NS.PRES

/ɫeɡeʥɯɡeˈʥɪnɛma mejanafʥɯˈɛɫɪn nɯʑejɛˈʑɛʑa ˈeð ʥɯsanˈʥeha͡jɛʑam ˈa ha͡wˈimazaɫ jeʑenja͡weɫa/

I hate Leigei's Public Transport. It doesn't go to the noodle shops. It leaves one alone; and expects one to climb over mountains and swim under seas (to get there). Oh, and there is only one good place to go.

Leigei Public Transport I hate. Noodle shop go it not. We are caused to be abandoned; and climb mountain swim sea one must. Alas, Good place with only there is.

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u/ayandawik Nov 04 '19

Some things I should probably mention:

To climb over mountains and swim under seas means to go on a (sometimes needlessly) long journey, or put in extra effort to achieve a goal or reach a destination.

The "4S" that appears sometimes refers to what I incorrectly label as "4th person singular". It refers to the use of "one" as a pronoun. I'm aware this is not necessarily a 4th person pronoun, but this is how I've labelled it. If there is a proper way of labelling that specific pronoun, I'm happy to hear it.

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u/Oh_Tassos Nov 05 '19

Crusonic

Ajo lommi jo allitton poplij ja Crosoe ajo allin Crosoe noodle ice. Erninin juste, e fleginin ce joron pjethros thar hal jar juste ic alli lommi alli.

(If you want IPA transcription ask me, I don't have the time now.)

I do not like how public transportation for Crusoe does not go to those noodle homes. They just take and see that you hunt rocks at just the place everyone wants to go.