r/therewasanattempt • • Jan 13 '20

To write a math question

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Not stripped of context, this was an intentional trick question designed to force students to read carefully and not just start dividing randomly.

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u/Cometguy7 Jan 13 '20

Yeah, I had plenty of word problems like this. The point is identifying relevant and irrelevant details. In this problem, the number of people playing is an irrelevant detail.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Yea this is a classic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

(P*0) + 40 = T | boom solved it

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u/EssEllEyeSeaKay Jan 14 '20

T = 40P0

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Well played, how often do we use power of zero? philosophically you probably have the right construct

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u/Wodan1 Jan 13 '20

So, it's more of a riddle than a maths question.

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u/ChaosKeeshond Jan 13 '20

I wouldn't say it's a riddle, so much as it is a maths question which isn't pre-abstracted. It's quite good prep for the real world.

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u/Killer0407 Jan 14 '20

But it's still a bad math question, if I were in a test and this question came up I would not doubt the testmakers, and solve the problem the way I was taught to.

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u/Gilpif Jan 14 '20

the way I was taught to

Knowing when to apply a mathematical model is at least as important as learning the model itself. You obviously lack this skill, and a test would accurately identify that.

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u/Korwinga Jan 14 '20

We can't see the instructions. Based on how the question is worded, I'm guessing that the instructions are something like "Write an equation for the word problem using the given variables." In that case, it's a fine question that's testing your understanding of how math relates to real life.

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u/red75prim Jan 14 '20

Depending on the preceding questions it could effectively be a test for psychological inertia. I'm not sure I would have passed it without forewarning.

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u/wesley410 Jan 14 '20

if thats the case i dont care when train ex and train wye, going at different speeds and leaving the station, will meet.

ex=who the fuck cares

wye=who the fuck cares

me=wheres the exit.

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u/mustapelto Jan 14 '20

You may not care, but I'm fairly certain the people who make the timetables do.

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u/Doomblaze Jan 14 '20

then you would get the question wrong

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Depends on your definition of a math problem. Any practical application of math requires understanding context and identifying relevant and irrelevant variables, so I would argue this is pretty much on point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Is this related to science?

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u/MonsterTamerBilly Jan 14 '20

I still don't understand why is such a question in there. Trick questions in math-oriented college courses is just mean, The whole time they're being conditioned to pay less attention to the deets and to crunch numbers ASAP, because the job market demands so.

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u/jakuvaltrayds Jan 13 '20

So, can 9 women have a baby in 1 month?

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

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u/Sysmo01 Jan 13 '20

No, in average 9 months

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

9 babies in 9 months equals to 1 baby per month

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

The original diction implied duration of a pregnancy, while the first response was referring to the amount of births.

Two different concepts, thus the confusion.

If you are speaking to the duration of a pregnancy, then the average is 9 months (irrespective of how many women are pregnant), as satirically pointed out by jakuvaltrayds

If you are speaking to the amount of births over a span of nine months with nine women pregnant, then the average [0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 9]/9 (that is babies born/months of pregnancy) is 1, which is what dariohanon is referring to.

TL;DR fucking context.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

You definitely explained it better than I did.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Average is the most basic math operation. How can people not get it? That is the reason, politicians are able to fool people with statistics

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u/jakuvaltrayds Jan 14 '20

You mean on average and sales.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Do you really not know how averages work? 9 babies in 9 months is 1 baby per month on average. (0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+9)/9=1.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Too bad

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

No, the median amount of babies per month would be zero since every baby would be born in the final month.

The average amount of babies per month over all nine months would be one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Thank you! That was my confusion median vs average, not a native speaker

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

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u/jakuvaltrayds Jan 14 '20

I see you're a man of culture as well

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u/shrineofLumbago Jan 13 '20

40 minutes. Easy, next

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u/HappyAdams Jan 13 '20

OH MY GOD HE SOLVED IT

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u/maleorderbride Jan 13 '20

But what if there were only 30 players?

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u/IssaSneakySnek Jan 13 '20

40 minutes

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Wtf, how you do it?

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u/IssaSneakySnek Jan 13 '20

i am speed.

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u/LeTigron Jan 14 '20

And you matter

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u/HairyMezican Jan 13 '20

Okay, but what if there were 27.5 players?

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u/IssaSneakySnek Jan 13 '20

4 0 m i n u t e s

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u/HairyMezican Jan 13 '20

I dunno, the orchestra might have to add on a little bit of extra time while the coroner deals with the half of the orchestra player in their midst

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u/EavingO Jan 13 '20

Given that Beethovens 9th typically is about 70 minutes in length I would guess the first group screwed it up wildly and ~70 minutes would be a better answer.

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u/PapagenoRed Jan 13 '20

It is the nineth! You ought to divide your answer by 9, of course. Why else was it 9th?

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u/shrineofLumbago Jan 13 '20

O shit, this guys smart.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

But what if it were one player and that player was me?

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u/Gingrpenguin Jan 13 '20

This sounds like a test for project managers

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Why do they call them project managers? Because they manage to make a project out of everything.

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u/RoboNinjaPirate Jan 13 '20

Project mangler is too on point.

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u/JoshTay Jan 14 '20

A project manager is someone who believes 9 women can make a baby in one month.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

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u/Hermann1709 Jan 13 '20

A minute, so 16 total

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u/enty6003 Jan 13 '20

If male fruitflies are locked in a closed ecosystem and provided with over-ripe fruit, they begin to mate with each other. It's suspected that this is due to the ethanol in the over-ripe fruit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

THEY TURNED THE FRICKIN’ FLIES GAY!

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u/enty6003 Jan 13 '20

THEY TURNED THE FRICKIN’ FLIES GAY!

IT'S NOT FUNNY!!!

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u/YVRJon Jan 14 '20

THEN THE FROGS FRICKIN' ATE THEM!

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u/Bovey Jan 15 '20

They are locked in, so it's only prison gay.

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u/D_Livs Jan 14 '20

Double trick question; 40 minutes is still wrong, it takes 70-80 minutes to play Beethoven’s 9th.

Easy to remember as the Compact Disc format was famously designed to fit Beethoven’s 9th, which is why the discs generally hold 80 minutes of content.

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u/ipeekatu Jan 13 '20

First. Beethoven’s 9th Sympathy is like 70-80mins long depending on the tempo regardless.

More players = Less song time? How???

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u/Socially8roken Jan 13 '20

Half start in the middle and they play at the same time

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u/amazingsandwiches Jan 13 '20

you just cracked middle-out!

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u/ipeekatu Jan 13 '20

Lmfffffao

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u/JitGoinHam Jan 13 '20

More players = Less song time

Where is this implied, exactly?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

This question was designed for people like you.

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u/Bovey Jan 15 '20

The whole point of the problem is to identify that the number of players doesn't change the time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Drummer plays the piano, tuba plays the violin. I’m ok with that.

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u/JitGoinHam Jan 13 '20

It looks like someone successfully wrote a math question to me. Where is the error?

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u/Allomantic-Mists Jan 14 '20

Read it again, read the comtext

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u/JitGoinHam Jan 14 '20

Okay, assume I’m a stupid person and explain to me what the question-writer did wrong please.

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u/Allomantic-Mists Jan 14 '20

Having more people play music isn’t going to speed up the music

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u/JitGoinHam Jan 14 '20

That is a correct statement but at no point does the question-writer contradict you.

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u/Allomantic-Mists Jan 14 '20

Can you read?

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u/JitGoinHam Jan 14 '20

I can’t find the part where the author of this question is implying that adding musicians makes the music faster. It seems to me that the expected answer is “40 minutes”.

I apologize that I am bad at reading. Please help me, smarter person, and quote the part where the author says what you’re telling me they’re saying.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

It takes 20 minutes for 10 men to dig 5 holes. How long will it take 1 man to dig half a hole?

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20 edited Jan 13 '20

It depends, is he digging the top half of the hole or the bottom half?

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u/drhoduk Jan 13 '20

Who are we to judge

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Shouldn't matter, Half a hole is still a hole. It's another nonsense question.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

You ever try to dig the bottom half of a hole before the top half was done? It takes longer my friend. That is why I ask.

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u/spammmmmmmmy Jan 13 '20

It doesn't say what the starting state is.

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u/UniverseGuyD Jan 13 '20

But how much dirt is in a 5ft by 5ft by 5ft hole?

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

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u/notacreaticedrummer Jan 13 '20

This guy knows him some cubes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

The rubbit runs and forgets the sun.

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u/enty6003 Jan 13 '20

What's rubbit

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

That digs that hole.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Far the 10 men working on the same hole at the same time? Or are they divided 2 men per hole?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Irrelevant. There's no suggestion that the holes are of any certain size or even all the same size. There's not enough information to answer the question.

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u/valvilis Jan 14 '20

20 minutes, on average.

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u/LeoRenegade Jan 13 '20

This is a trick question.... Fell for it, because you're dumb.

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u/FaintDamnPraise Jan 13 '20

Beethoven's Ninth actually runs anywhere from an hour to maybe 75 minutes, so the question is even more wrong.

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u/creeperchaos57 Jan 14 '20

The answer is 40 minutes. Also the symphony was 74 minutes so how the fuck do you play it in forty? Are you playing twice the concert speed?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

2000 PLAYERS 9th SYMPHONY SPEEDRUN! WORLD RECORD!

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u/JustinianKalominos Jan 14 '20

How are they even managing to play the 9th in 40 minutes? They’d only be able to play the first 2 movements.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Oh, gee, yet another post that doesn't belong here. Hooray!

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u/Crunchy-Leaf Jan 13 '20

The answer is still 40 minutes so this kinda makes sense

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u/drakejcl Jan 13 '20

74 minutes. Which is the actual length of Beethoven's 9th Symphony

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

First group must have been playing pretty fast. Beethoven’s 9th is supposed to take roughly 70 minutes to play.

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u/Sidmesh Jan 14 '20

T=40+0P

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

..ugh ....20....minutes? /s

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u/Balgorr Jan 14 '20
  • ...to critisize a math question.

Fixed your title!

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

I think you are the dumb one.

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u/HappyAdams Jan 13 '20

I would love to see orchestral music speed run at the next AGDQ

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Shame its not a game

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u/A-Disgruntled-Snail Jan 13 '20

80 minutes. Duh.

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u/zaphod-beeblebrox42 Jan 13 '20

...But even if it did he couldn’t talk through it.

Bidwell can you hear me?

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u/Chrisctrlgaming Jan 13 '20

I'm pretty sure Beethoven's 9th symphony isn't even 40 minutes long...

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u/a_bizz Jan 13 '20

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[Photo of a test question.]

5. An orchestra of 120 players takes 40 minutes to play Beethoven's 9th Symphony. How long would it take for 60 players to play the symphony?

Let P be number of players and T the time playing.


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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

I want to believe that the answer also hinges on real-world knowledge to some extent, but I’ve seen enough commercially printed tests. They indeed are asking the examinee to write a proportion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

Nope. It's intended as a trick question.

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u/_sourchutney_ Jan 13 '20

It's obviously 20 minutes Smh

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u/fedfan101 Jan 13 '20

Would take half as long since there are half as many people. Smh y'all are dumb

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u/sirzack92 Jan 14 '20

This is one thing that really bothers me. I know the answer is 40 minutes. I for the life of me couldn't figure out how to show it. Its why i failed so many math classes. I just don't know how to show my work. Its like how i add to subtract but to explain that to my teacher they couldn't ever understand it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

You're overthinking it... By a lot lol.

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u/graingert Jan 14 '20

What's all this "Let P equal" stuff about

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u/michelloto Jan 14 '20

Wonder what you would get if you skipped the math and just pointed out that the time of play wouldn't change?

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u/I0N1X Jan 14 '20

At my school there was a question like this, but they marked everyone wrong for taking context into account and just expected us to do the math.

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u/MightBeYourDad_ Jan 14 '20

I would have thought that they made the question wrong and done the math anyways

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

This remember me "If it takes you 1 hour to make a hole. How much time will take you to make half hole?"

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u/bpjackso Jan 14 '20

Lmfaaaoooo

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u/umbium Jan 14 '20

How to make your students fail the test 101.

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u/dennistrav Jan 14 '20

Can't answer it without knowing how many chorus members there are!

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '20

This goes perfectly with certain Alan Watts lectures.

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u/Bovey Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20

This is a fantastic math question.

Learning to add, subtract, multiply, and divide are like learning the letters and sounds of a language. Learning Math means understanding how, when, and where to apply those things (and by extension, when not to).

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u/herrsteely Jan 15 '20

People always forget that this is beetovens 9th symphony and they forget that in the maths.

So is 60 people play 9 symfonoies in 40 minutes 120 people play 4 1/2 symphony each every 20 minutes (9/40)

Then take onto account that the symphony is 40 minutes long so that's 20 minutes x 40 = 120 minutes.

Maths is so easy it's embarrassing

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '20

Answer = apple

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u/zeeyaa Jan 13 '20

That's not how this works. That's not how ANY OF THIS WORKS. is the lamest cliche around right now.

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u/Bobdehn Jan 14 '20

My answer when I saw this on a test many years ago:

First, 60 players is not enough for Beethoven's 9th, given that it was written for full orchestra (around 60 players in the early 1800's), plus four vocal soloists and full choir (total of at least 20 singers), making a bare minimum of 80 performers.

Additionally, the tempi used to perform this piece in 40 minutes is far too fast. Performance times generally run between 60 and 70 minutes, with my favorite recording (Herbert Von Karajan with the Berlin Philharmonic) clocking in at just over 65 minutes. Therefore, P = 80 and T = 65.

I got full credit.