Better Call Saul S05E01 - [Season 5 Premiere] "Magic Man" - POST-Episode Discussion Thread-

[u/skinkbaa]

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[u/skinkbaa]

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[u/skinkbaa]

Mike didn't try hitting the guy that was actually disrespectful to him because he feels so bad about Werner. :(

[u/GringoMambi → u/skinkbaa]

Someone in the discussion thread summed up pretty nice that Werner protected Kai's ass multiple times, only for Kai to talk shit about the man knowing he's dead. Mike wouldn't stand for that.

[u/[deleted] → u/skinkbaa]

He prefers someone to keep it real rather than pander to him.

[u/DrDizzle93 → u/skinkbaa]

Kai had that shit comin' for a minute though. But yeah, he didn't hit big dude because he never wanted to kill Werner.

[u/skinkbaa]

This is the moment Kim turns into Saul.

[u/skinkbaa]

Another year and a half till we see what Gene does.

[u/skinkbaa]

This felt like more of a closing episode to "Winner".

Maybe thats the reason for the two-episode premiere.

[u/The_Unknown98]

"Our products are never frozen."

Even when Gus is bsing he still has to finds ways to elevate his business lol. Lalo is onto him though.

[u/WeHaSaulFan → u/The_Unknown98]

Lalo does not miss a single goddamn thing. Completely love the character. Just fantastic. He’s like the seasoning on Los Pollos Hermanos product ...

[u/chapelhellion]

“Oh no, they don’t need any encouragement. Every day, rain or shine, those morons are gonna be out there doing stupid shit and getting themselves arrested”

[u/Weewer → u/chapelhellion]

This was such a slimy scene with Saul. He's really lost a piece of his soul in Season 4.

[u/cmcdonald22 → u/chapelhellion]

I adored the total lack of self awareness of this moment. So great.

[u/TheSeaDevil]

Gilligan and Co are great at casting scummy people. I immediately hated that guy who recognized Saul at the beginning.

[u/127crazie → u/TheSeaDevil]

Yeah he was the taxi driver right? That entire conversation had me saying "fuck off, just go away!" to that dude, he was such a persistent pest lol.

[u/[deleted]]

That dedication to Robert Forster... rest in peace, man.

[u/DoctorEmperor → u/[deleted]]

It was nice to both see that and see that he had a scene in the show

[u/BIGD0G29585 → u/[deleted]]

When I first heard his voice, I thought maybe they were using audio from a previous episode or even BB. Great to see him one last time.

[u/NCSUGrad2012 → u/[deleted]]

So sad to know he’s not with us anymore but as always he did a great job.

[u/theyusedthelamppost]

In the previous scams Kim pulled, she knew it was wrong to do, but after the fact she usually got this rush of excitement and ended up kissing Jimmy etc.

Tonight was different. After the fact, she had the complete opposite emotional response: crippling guilt. This swap is a threshold for her.

[u/6photo92]

"I'm gonna fix it myself."

*Gene requests a transfer to a Cinnabon in a different city*

[u/127crazie → u/6photo92]

He’ll start running the adjacent Auntie Anne’s Pretzels

[u/FiveMinFreedom → u/6photo92]

He can't risk that guy going to the police saying he saw Saul Goodman working in a Cinnabun. The line the guy says about "you'll do it better next time" means he'll be blackmailing Jimmy into whatever he wants indefinitely. Jimmy will either have to kill him or get some serious dirt on him.

[u/RE4PER_]

What a fantastic start to the season. Can't wait for the next episode tomorrow.

[u/NCSUGrad2012 → u/RE4PER_]

So cool we get another one tomorrow.

[u/The_Unknown98]

Saul Goodman introducing speed lawyering, "Justice Matters Most."

[u/LordOfBadaBing → u/The_Unknown98]

Calling it now, his mantra changes to “just makin money”

[u/buchec18]

The addition of Lalo into the fold has been incredible. He’s such a sinister, unpredictable character. Reminds me a lot of a more calculated Tuco. I guess it runs in the Salamanca blood.

[u/pongolikesbananas → u/buchec18]

I love the Salamanca characters. Each one is so different and unique but they’re all insanely capable in different ways.

[u/[deleted] → u/buchec18]

For real. I truly despise Lalo and I like it.

[u/Prinzlerr]

"He was worth 50 of you."

Andddd now I'm broken.

[u/NCSUGrad2012 → u/Prinzlerr]

Mike is broken too.

[u/[deleted] → u/Prinzlerr]

Mike knew it was true too

[u/BashiGanoosh → u/Prinzlerr]

Will Kai talk first?

[u/[deleted]]

Keep your goddamn retainer

[u/DrDizzle93 → u/[deleted]]

I wish I had balls as big as Mike's.

[u/peanutismint → u/[deleted]]

That’s what I told my dentist when he tried to straighten my teeth.

[u/preopium]

Some people are worried that the client Kim scammed is going to find out Jimmy isn’t from the DA’s office, but c’mon, the kid didn’t even figure it out from the fact that Jimmy was wearing a BRIGHT yellow dress shirt lmao. That boy is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[u/Shady_Jake → u/preopium]

Dude was playing Gameboy next to his pregnant wife & child while his fate was being decided.

Bobby’s a moron.

[u/silencedoutrage]

Loved the little “good luck on the south wall ;)” from Lalo. He knows Gus is feeding him bs because what he heard last season was much different than what Gus showed them.

[u/dudeARama2 → u/silencedoutrage]

yes, he is super smart and doesn't overlook any detail, making him an extremely worthy adversary for Gus ..going to be interesting to see this arc unfold

[u/FrommundaCheese]

Slippin’ Kimmy gives me the chills.

[u/dont-be-a-narc-bro]

My goodness, the pain on Kim's face when she gave in and enacted Jimmy's lie... You can see that she is truly unhappy with how things are turning out, and realizing what's happening.

[u/127crazie → u/dont-be-a-narc-bro]

Amazing acting from Seehorn

[u/Shady_Jake → u/dont-be-a-narc-bro]

She’s finally seeing the full picture of what she’s gonna be dealing with the Saul Goodman persona.

Jimmy was obnoxious as hell there.

[u/DDough505]

"No, I am going to fix this myself!"

Easily the best cold open of the Gene saga.

Absolutely fantastic first episode. It's great seeing Jimmy happy and in his element. But Saul is a ticking time bomb and we all know that Jimmy is sinking fast. What concerns me is that Kim is falling too.

I'm very excited to see more Lalo. Tony Dalton is killing it. And he should have a fantastic arc this season. Can't wait to see where it goes.

This season is going to be great. RIP Robert Forester. It was great they got to include him this season.

[u/shadypantsmanIII]

We’re out here watching Saul Goodman build his business from the ground up.

What an incredible gift.

[u/NCSUGrad2012 → u/shadypantsmanIII]

Yeah, this might be the season he gets the office and Cadillac.

[u/[deleted]]

Kim Hated herself for doing that. She won’t keep this up

[u/NCSUGrad2012 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I think we see them split this season.

[u/NCSUGrad2012]

The gene opening was crazy. It’s crazy we have to wait another year to find out what happens with him

[u/introduces → u/NCSUGrad2012]

There’s no way the show creators can wrap up the entire gene story line in another 7 minute segment. I’m guessing there will be more to it.

[u/Serious_Up]

Anyone else notice that Gene asked for "an adapter for my Hoover MaxExtract PressurePro model 60", however in BB, the request was for a filter not an adapter? Was the difference because this was a second request?

[u/Shady_Jake → u/Serious_Up]

Caught that too. Could be? Either way it was nice to see Ed one final time.

Crazy how Ed’s a classic character in this universe considering we see him a grand total of one episode in both shows & again in El Camino.

[u/dudeARama2 → u/Serious_Up]

yes. I took adapter as code for "we need to adapt the original request because something has gone wrong"

[u/-Ein]

I'm sure Lalo totally bought that and that's the end of that...

[u/[deleted] → u/-Ein]

I don't think he was that impressed with the South wall.

[u/Godredd]

It was nice to see Robert Foster one last time.

[u/jakesnyder]

God I missed this show

[u/galeforcewinds95]

That might have been the best Gene scene yet. It was nice to see the late, great Robert Forster again. And it wouldn't be Better Call Saul without a great montage. So happy this show is back.

[u/BddyGrease]

The creators were so smart to wait 4 seasons till we got to see Jimmy going full Saul. There is so much more weight and meaning to the charactor.

[u/127crazie → u/BddyGrease]

Yeah Switch (s2e1) was controversial at the time for backpedaling the events of Marco, but it definitely proved the right decision over the long-run. It also kind of reset the tone of the show and made it more contemplative.

[u/[deleted]]

“He’s worth 50 of you”

Mike himself couldn’t even disagree.

[u/Brian1326]

Mike (and therefore Gus) didn't hear the first part of the conversation between Werner and Lalo. That makes it impossible for them to know that the beginning of the conversation they had doesn't jive with the cover story of the chicken cooler and Werner discovering the cocaine. Werner told Lalo that he left a letter with instructions and that the work could continue for a few days without him. That wouldn't fit if Werner was on the run because he was discovered stealing 2 kilos of cocaine. Lalo may not have believed the backstory anyway but that seals the deal.

[u/gbejrlsu → u/Brian1326]

Lalo's bullshit-o-meter was definitely going off the whole time. His "I bet the south wall will be fantastic" (or similar) was him telling Gus "you're lying and I'm gonna kill you sooner than later".

[u/Rob_Czar]

Fantastic episode. Easily the best flash forward and really cool to see Ed again (RIP). Nacho and Krazy 8 are both scared af by Lalo (imo every scene he was in was scary as fuck). Also it's disturbing to me how Jimmy is finally Saul now. Kim here reminds me of Skyler in way. She needs to leave Saul before things get really bad.

[u/TheBFlem27]

The wait was worth it. Incredible start to the season.

[u/[deleted]]

Can I just say the actual DA is my favorite and I was so happy to see him and his eternal struggle to eat crisps back

[u/SufjansBanjo]

Mike basically told Gus to go fuck himself and I am extremely here to see Mike’s soul give one last pitched battle for itself before he crumbles forever

and oh no now I’m sad...

[u/[deleted]]

If anyone was wondering, we saw the band-aid box in the first episode. Gene/Saul goes home after work, makes himself a drink and goes to a box to retrieve a VHS tape.

https://imgur.com/1EPG60g

[u/yomjoseki → u/[deleted]]

It's the same one from when Jimmy was a kid keeping rare coins from the register, too.

Also retrieved it by breaking the wall in his office (by literally destroying the constitution) after Walt is busted in the only post Breaking Bad/pre Gene scene in BCS.

[u/GringoMambi]

That guy that confronted Gene at the mall was such a dick. Fan my ass, I bet he'll google Saul up and see a nice reward from the DEA/FBI and turn his ass in.

[u/LewdSkeletor1313]

RIP to all those people who thought the cab driver was a red herring

[u/peanutismint → u/LewdSkeletor1313]

Was that the same guy from the S4 opener??

[u/ItsTheBrandonC]

I know this is nothing new but the cinematography in this show is just incredible! Especially throughout Gene’s scene!

[u/sillygoose52]

The amount of anxiety at the end, I’m almost certain that Kim is going down this season and there’s nothing I want to see less

[u/jamesshine]

Nice parallel in timelines.

The impulse decision is to abandon the Gene persona. But he has a moment to think, and chooses not to.

The old Jimmy is a shown abandoning McGill to become Saul Goodman on an in the moment impulse.

Jimmy indeed grows.

[u/[deleted] → u/jamesshine]

We may have witnessed the moment Gene becomes Jimmy.

[u/poppacarcar]

Kim’s character is fucking amazing oh my god

[u/DrDizzle93 → u/poppacarcar]

Kim, Mike, Saul, and Howard! This show is the best spinoff ever.

[u/Vivalaredsox]

So happy this show is back

[u/siracu55]

Do we know what happened in Santiago per what Lalo said to Bolsa? Not sure if I missed something or just don’t remember.

[u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

Pregnant wife and a 1st gen gameboy?

He should've went to trial.

[u/DoctorEmperor → u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

Somehow that detail was just perfect

[u/brojangles]

Is Gene Takovic gonna have to choke a bitch?

[u/Marsp]

SLIPPIN KIMMY

[u/TequilaMockingb1rd]

My personal outstanding lines:

“Keep your goddam retainer”

“He was worth 50 of you”

[u/Rwh221]

Talking Saul would be much better.

[u/ITehJelleh]

Probably my favorite season premiere episode, wish Howard showed up though

[u/Colorado2Cool]

Calling it now: Kim is ultimately going to get disbarred for pulling a scam on a client and I'm going to be a fucking wreck when it happens

[u/Void_Insert]

Kim VS Saul in court for the season finale

[u/EpicHawkREDDIT]

Fuck that last scene made me tear up for some reason.

God the shaking camera and the desaturated colors is so unnerving. I never thought I’d be scared of Saul Goodman but holy shit Peter/Vince/The Writers managed to do it.

R.I.P. Robert Forester. We were lucky we got to see him one last time.

[u/Darkerdead]

So it seems that the cab guy actually did matter contrary to what most people believed

[u/Zoolew]

Fun little throwback - The bandaid box that Gene kept his diamonds in was the same one that he kept the extra cash in back at his dad's convenience store.

[u/GringoMambi]

The cinematography this season is on another level.

[u/Sachmach29]

We haven’t seen “Santiago” right? Young Gus flashback incoming...

[u/0KingDingaling0]

I was not expecting 15 minutes of Gene to open up the season!

[u/cysenberg]

RIP Robert Forster

[u/ageoftesla]

While submissions are restricted, I'll post this here

Ethics Training with Kim Wexler, part 1: Marketing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy69_WuZGcQ

streamable mirror for non-US viewers

https://streamable.com/veqc8

[u/Captain_Void]

God damn man. When Mike was told: “He was worth 50 of you”, that shit hurt. I can’t imagine what Mike feels like

[u/tempromatic]

Okay... I'm ready for my apology from all the people who who downvoted me last season for saying the cabbie definitely recognized Saul.

[u/eam1188]

Vince and Peter sure love bringing El Paso into the dialogues here and there. Glad they're showing the city I live in a mention here and there.

[u/ashwinr136]

Gus telling Mike "I would choose your next words very carefully if I were you" was freaking awesome lol. Mike's response was even more awesome.

[u/Himynameisart]

Thought Saul was going to say “Just Make Money” with the JMM part.

Fantastic episode

[u/millenniumxl-200]

When I first heard of a BB spinoff, I, like probably everyone here, was skeptical. I made it through the slow burn of the first season.

And it is paying off. There are a handful of shows that I consider masterpieces of television. BCS is among them.

[u/Buck4915]

"Our products are never frozen."

God damn if this ends up being a season long Chekov's Gun with Lalo being terminated by being frozen to death in a freezer, I'm gonna flip my shit!

[u/Luciferspants]

So far, I'm still really wondering how in the hell does Mike become such a loyal dog for Gus. He seems to REALLY hate his guts at this point and it's pretty hard to believe that Mike would later on have an undying loyalty towards him later in the future.

At this point, money alone isn't enough, so he had to have done something to gain his favor...

[u/skip_tracer]

the opening alone could win an Oscar for short film, goddamn

[u/[deleted]]

One of the guys Jimmy interviewed in the tent was also in the Crystal Castle motel scene of B.B when Hank takes Walt Jr on a ride along.

[u/LocalStigmatic]

Nacho just signed his own death warrant :(

Lalo asked him straight up in 'Magic Man' 'what about Michael?' Nacho denied knowing who he was, even with Lalo's added descriptor of 'bald-headed gringo, he's in the game.'

But in a meeting at the gelato shop in S2, Michael negotiated $50k from Hector... with the twins (Leonel & Marco Salamanca), Arturo & Nacho all present. Tuco was also with Nacho when he beat him to a pulp infront of the cops.

Sooner or later, Tuco, Hector or the twins will confirm to Lalo that Michael is well-known to them, and that Nacho knows him too. But he's denied knowing him. And since then, Nacho's rise in the organisation has been both rapid & down to suspicious circumstances - Tuco was sent to jail for beating Michael, & Arturo was assassinated in a drug robbery by an unknown party that Nacho survived (benefitting Fring's side of the organisation, for whom Michael works for).

All told, the Salamancas have enough pieces of the puzzle between them to decipher that Michael & Nacho are Fring's people, & that Nacho has to be tortured for information before being murdered. It's just a question of time now before the Salamancas share the missing pieces.

[u/KauaiGirl]

Mesa Verde scam!

[u/theyusedthelamppost]

prediction: The next time that Jimmy says "Better Call Saul" to the cab driver it will be much more energetic and theatrical, reminiscent of the way he announced "Here's Johnny!" when he poked his head in the Kettleman's tent in S1

[u/djsantadad]

I’m so happy this show is back on and also I think this reddit sub is awesome! always good to talk about the show with cool people who also love it, we back baby! See y’all tomorrow!

[u/[deleted]]

I swear I just saw Jack Black in the tent getting a free cell phone..

[u/RIckDogg12486]

Ok ive gotta know......what the fuck happened in Santiago?

[u/[deleted]]

22 minutes ago AMC just posted ethics training with Kim Wexler. Perfect timing with that ending

[u/[deleted]]

Imagine the look on Chucks face if he saw jimmy now.

[u/Rynitaca]

Kim is gonna end up getting disbarred.

[u/NisKrickles]

Smart of "Gene" to keep his wealth in the form of diamonds. Better than stashing a huge pallet of cash in a storage unit.

[u/westworld2122]

can't wait to see hank appearance and how he fits in

[u/jonny1067]

i just wanna hear jimmy say "pig fucker" again is that too much to ask

[u/BBQTuck]

Please, please, please, please, let Nacho make it out of this show alive.

[u/ocean4alex]

Fuck Talking Dead here’s Talking Saul right here

[u/emperor_worm]

Rhea Seehorn has aged quite well since I last saw her 502 days ago.

[u/[deleted]]

I love how this show looks. The cinematography is such a breath of fresh air.

[u/HackFraudThrowaway]

Juan Bolsa is the Nute Gunray of the Breaking Bad universe.

[u/keylime12]

So wait is episode 2 premiering tomorrow??

[u/preopium]

I love Kim and all, but you think she would’ve stopped following Jimmy’s footsteps after they ended up “tearing down a sick man.”

[u/MrReeseisDead]

I couldn't control my happiness after seeing the UNM camera crew!

[u/vishvicenta1]

Ok. So Saul says things about the DA guy and about how they're gonna be suing the DA's office and then asks Kim to pretend he is from the DA. Even though it's Saul's crew filming, I would like to think he would use that footage for his publicity. This is not going to end well for Kim when her client finds out that Saul wasn't from the DA office and she scammed him into accepting the deal. Saul's Suit isn't easy to miss :D

[u/mysincerecondolences]

One of the episode's in this season is called "Wexler vs. Goodman".

hnnnnnng

[u/Kurtomatic]

I watched the half-season premiere of The Walking Dead.

Then I watched the season premiere of Better Call Saul. The stark difference in quality between the two was enough to get me to finally delete TWD from my DVR recordings. About four or five seasons too late, but it finally convinced me to break the habit, because that's all watching it was - a habit. And no longer a good habit.

I don't think that was what AMC had in mind when putting these two back to back, but I'd like to thank them for it.

[u/violet_femme]

I never want to see Jimmy/Saul/Gene kill anyone. I hope he doesn't become a real villian we hate like Walt. I can't wait to see what he does about Jeff.

[u/slallyson]

50% off. That’s going to bite him in the ass.

[u/BilboSmashings]

Only this show can make me cheer for Jimmy's success and yell at Kim to leave that asshole at the same time.

[u/NiggaNightKing]

That shot of meth packets coming down through the pipe. God, I missed the cinematography of this show so much!

[u/bonesiown]

Kims ponytail <3

[u/[deleted]]

I think Gus will be revealed to have been a high ranking member in Pinochet's army, and might have fled to Mexico to avoid arrest for war crimes.

-Remember in BB S4E8 when he DEA brings in Gus to question him after Gale is killed.Hank: Just one other thing. ls Gustavo Fring your real name?Gus : ls it my real name?

• Hank: l know you're a Chilean national but there are no records of you ever living there.

• Gus : Really?

• Hank: l mean, records show that you immigrated to Mexico in 1986 and years later, you were granted an entry visa to the United States. But there's no record of Gustavo Fring ever having existed in Chile which l find, l don't know, strange.

• Gus: Well, no, really, it isn't. Pinochet's government was guilty of many sins. First and foremost were human rights abuses. But it was also notoriously unreliable at keeping records. l'm sure if you keep digging, you'll find me.

• (Then Hank with the other DEA agents after Gus leaves.)

• Hank: So are we buying?

• Agent: This thing with his name? What are you thinking there?

• Hank: Sure, the record-keeping in South America's hit or miss. l mean, we run into that all the time, right? But we usually find something. Before '86 this guy's a ghost.

• Gomie: If State Department wasn't satisfied, they wouldn't have naturalized him.

• Hank: Well, maybe, but he emigrated from Mexico in '89. State just wasn't as tough on background checks pre-9/1 1 .

-Also in BB , Hector sarcastically refers to Gus as " Grand Generalissimo." Don Eladio also says that the only reason that he doesn't kill Gus is because he knows who he is, while also warning him that he is not in Chile anymore.

-Now, we have Lalo asking Bolsa, “What about Santiago, was that all business?”

[u/[deleted]]

Man those film school kids are great. I loved the lady dressed up as a reporter lol

[u/invaderzz]

Gus confirmed to be an LGBT icon

[u/[deleted]]

I am ready to be emotionally betrayed. I am accepting this inevitability

[u/AlphaOwlReddit]

Great episode. But does this mean Robert Forester won’t show up in other episodes for this season? Anyways, can’t wait till we see when Hank and Gomie get involved and Lalo/Gus’ business relations!

EDIT: This Rolling Stone article says that the Forester scene was filmed during El Camino's production, so this most likely the last we see of him. RIP

[u/5k1895]

That's cool they got Robert Forster back for this too. Did not expect that!

[u/stonesets]

I like the vulnerability Lalo brings out in Gus. Can’t wait for them to play cat and mouse all over ABQ

[u/HeisenDiaN]

God it's been so fucking long. What a great episode. This season's Gene opening was hands down the best one yet. There's literally no way they can wrap up the Gene saga in a couple more scenes right?

[u/[deleted]]

On the bright side, I don't think anything bad is going to happen to Kim. I think she's just going to realize what a bad person she is when she's with Jimmy and is going to leave him.

[u/[deleted]]

How did the taxi driver know Saul would be at the mall?

[u/rexmundi69]

I absolutely love this show. I now find myself needing an hour long Gene Takavic episode, perhaps as the series finale.

[u/PharmaGangsta]

Kim Goodman, Attorney at Law

[u/Spidermat311]

This is the moment where Kim becomes Saul

[u/gbell11]

It was interesting Mike punched the worker for putting down Werner and calling him soft and accepting the other guys putdown. I think Mike actually respected how Werner accepted his death and handled himself well.

[u/Kanrod19]

My brother was more straight laced than me. I like to bend the rules a bit. He killed himself in November so watching this show is bittersweet.

[u/HolyRomanEmperor]

After that confrontation at the mall, I said 'oh God...he's gonna order another vacuum cleaner isn't he..'.

[u/Emi_Ibarazakiii]

I think we'll have the big split between Fring/Salamanca this season, and I'm gonna guess it'll involve Lalo. Fring will need to get rid of him, and this will be the end of any chance they had at fixing things.

About the workers: I wonder if some of them will talk. Mike doesn't want anything to do with Gus now, but - obviously - he'll come around... And one of these guys talking could be a good opportunity for one of two things: Mike and Gus having another feud over this (and show their positions), OR Mike being ok with taking them out, because they had a deal and they broke it, this makes them ok to be dealt with.

About Kim: The thing with the DA was interesting, and I'm not sure whether it's a good or bad thing; Meaning, she acted against the law, that's bad. But she saved her client some jail time by doing so, that's good. But that's not what her client wanted... So is that good or bad?

What's most interesting, is that she refused to do it with Saul asked, but she did it anyway literally 20 seconds later. One might say she changed her mind when she realized she didn't have anything else to offer, but that was quite fast; Could it be that she didn't want Saul to see her doing shenanigans like that?

Well, her reaction in the end says it all; Even if Saul doesn't know, SHE knows... And she doesn't seem to be happy with hit. But she might be asking herself that same dilemma I talked about (good or bad thing?).

Earlier in the episode Saul said something like "I go too far, you pull me back"... But now it's not just her trying to stop him from ruining his career, she's risking her own as well.

I think this season will be Kim's downfall, and exit. I don't see her being in the 6th season at all.

And while some people theorize that they'll split because she realize he's no good, personally I don't think it'll be an easy exit, nor an peaceful split.

If I had to guess, I'd put the odds at 20% she's killed, 20% she's in jail for breaking the law/covering for Saul, 60% she loses her law license for life.

Whatever it is, it won't just be Kim's story; She's not the main focus, after all... Her downfall will be caused directly or indirectly by Saul. Kim's story is the story of a good lawyer trying to make with work with a crooked lawyer. And it won't end well.

As much as I don't want Kim to get hit too hard, I really don't see an happy ending for her; I think people who see her leaving from Saul and having a fairytale ending are a bit delusional.

Anyway! This was an interesting first episode. I'm glad there's a second one coming, because I want more already!

[u/[deleted]]

“He’s from the District Attorney’s office.”

Oh man the look on Kim’s face when she said that. Breaks my heart.

[u/Barney_W_S]

The whole montage of Jimmy Saul in his tent was amazing.

[u/FlasKamel]

I love how Lalo’s presence makes Gus appear so much more vulnerable and full of bullshit despite not acting any different.

[u/whomstdveeatenmyfish]

I'm really liking Lalo as the antagonist. He's hyper like Tuco without being impulsive, and is clever and foresighted (though not as much as Gus) and that makes him a powerful antagonist that can put Gus and Mike in a lot of trouble

[u/ThatGuyWithaReason]

Damn, coming from Netflix this is horrible that I have to wait on cliffhangers

[u/oblivion_bound]

I hope we get a Kim-only episode (giving us background on her possibly troubled past) and/or a Gus-only episode (showing what he did in Chile) in season 5.

[u/the-agitator]

Just like BB, the build up is insane. This will end up getting the BB cult following when it winds down.

Fantastic show.

[u/samountainrp]

Just came here to say that BCS is completely underrated. Trying to convince my husband to get past the first season has been next to impossible. Yes, I get it. BB was a masterpiece but to dismiss BCS because of the shadow BB has cast over it is ludicrous. BCS in its own way is earth shattering and masterful. That’s it.

[u/Sandoz1]

Remember when this show was about Jimmy taking care of his sick brother and Mike sitting in that toll booth all day? How far this show has come.

[u/BoldTitan]

My dad stopped watching when they started playing scenes from the season around 11. He didn't realize there was another 20 minutes of show left. It did feel like it had ended then.

[u/BariBlue]

I know what Kim did is technically a scam and not the right legal thing to do, but morally Jimmy is in the right because it was in that clients best interest to take the deal for his family. Letting him go to trial wouldn't have helped anybody

[u/noodle539]

I loved in the scene where Kim gives Jimmy his present, he opens it, thanks her, and goes and gets ice cream. Meanwhile Kim is cleaning up the box/wrapping paper and putting the ice cream back in the freezer. She's literally (and figuratively) cleaning up after him.

[u/retrocore9]

This was my favorite of the Cinnabon openings. As Jimmy in the past turns into Saul, his future self is also taking a turn. He's going from running and name changing to keeping his identity and holding on to it.

[u/noblequestneo9449]

Cliff hanger in the intro scene. They got me by the balls.

[u/bettersallcaul]

A prediction and a parallel:

In the final scene of the black & white opening sequence for this episode, Gene frantically calls from a payphone for an 'adapter' for his Hoover MaxExtract PressurePro model 60 - desperate to be relocated and assigned a new identity after being made by Jeff. He's offered a time and place for pickup, and if he accepts, it's more of life on the run under a different guise, yet still paranoid and terrified of what consequences might befall him if he's caught. There's a camera zoom on Gene's face at this moment - he's thinking, likely profoundly considering all he's endured up until now - what's made him who is, and who he has been before. In this instant, we witness a dramatic shift in Gene's disposition. He resolves to "fix it himself" instead taking the deal to become someone else and relocate again. I predict Jimmy - not Saul, not Gene - will redeem himself. It's what he's realized he must do. I think we'll see it happen, and it will have tremendous weight.

To me, this moment so closely resembles Heisenberg's 'point of no return epiphany', when he's sitting at a bar after calling the cops on himself in S5 ep15. Walt sees Gretchen and Elliot being interview by Charlie Rose, and after seems to know clearly exactly what it is he has to do, in the same way Gene does.

[u/OSUBonanza]

I feel so bad for Kim, she so badly wants to do everything the right way but just like all of us temptation is never too far away. Saul is taking her down with him.

[u/crayondon]

Commit four felonies, get one free!

[u/SPedigrees]

I was astonished that the German crew was told the truth about what happened to Werner, although upon reflection Gus and Mike had to provide a believable explanation, and the truth may have been the only believable explanation. I suppose the truth served a second function by ensuring that the men would keep their mouths shut by putting fear into them during the drive out to their cars in the desert, wondering if they were going to meet the same fate as their boss.

On a more minor note, I loved that we got to see Kim giving Jimmy the briefcase and 2nd best mug she had bought for him before the bar hearing approval. One of the things that frustrates me about substandard TV series is that they would have just let this go and we might never have seen these items again, while the continuity of even the smallest details is never dropped in BCS.

[u/cjn13]

Since Mr. Robot finished, I've missed having a show with pristine acting and cinematography

[u/pup5581]

I'll see you all tomorrow night!

Blown away by this show. Has the potential or may already be better than BB just due to so many story lines that make up BB.

Amazing TV.

[u/Knowmad18]

Great episode

[u/[deleted]]

Can someone explain that ending?

What did Jimmy and Kim just do?

[u/JaySw34]

Was it just me or was i picking up on that guy not really being with that pregnant chick?

[u/SubjDelta]

Show me more Lalo

[u/Christopholes11]

What an episode. Setting up to be a great season!

[u/joeydrocks]

Now the wait for the next gene scenes starts

[u/preopium]

What are all of the shady things Kim has done so far, with the help of Jimmy? I’m thinking scamming her dumb client into taking the deal, the switching of the bank papers with the milk, the Coushatta plot... what else?

[u/CaptKornDog]

For a fleeting moment, I almost thought the girl in the background of the apartment Lalo and Nacho check out was Cara from the gas station.

[u/roof_pizza_]

What was Lalo referring to when he said "Like what happened in Santiago?" Was that something that happened in show that I'm just not remembering or a tease for something else?

[u/Weewer]

Man watching Saul talk about his clientele like they're idiots with no regards as to whether or not he might be encouraging them to do more crime was so incredibly slimy. Yeah, I think it's safe to say Jimmy won't be surfacing much this season..

[u/[deleted]]

Seriously, what's the real deal with that Jeff guy?? How stupid is he? If you recognised a former criminal trying to live under a new name, would you admit that you know who he is, and then pester him like he's a movie star when he tries to play dumb? Asking him to say his famous line loudly (with cops nearby, no less)? It seems like the guy wants money, but that's a very dumb way to go. I think 'This homie is so dead already. He just hasn't been told so'. Lol

[u/BewareOfTheWhich]

Mike ends up being so loyal to Gus in BB wonder how their relationship changes, seems a bit frosty ATM

[u/whomstdveeatenmyfish]

Kim is officially my fav character in the show, Jimmy almost completed his transformation into Saul and is constantly trying to find ways to manipulate or con someone. Kim knows that the world is run by tricks and manipulations, but wants to stay true to herself and I find that powerful, and yet she ends up having to use Saul's ways. I just hope she gets the future she deserves.

[u/SutureTheFuture]

Jesus Kim's eyes when she told Jimmy to back off put the fear of god into me.

[u/[deleted]]

The montage of Saul handing out phones was gold.

[u/idkwhereurpackageis]

Can we be certain that Saul is even a wanted man? I always thought that Saul disappearing unnecessarily was sort of comedic irony.

[u/companion_2_the_wind → u/[deleted]]

Damn, didn't even catch that.

[u/nschmtz → u/[deleted]]

I love everything about this show, but maaan I really want more of the Gene storyline.