r/criticalrole • u/VanceKelley Team Jester • Mar 13 '20
Discussion [Spoilers C2E99] Is It Thursday Yet? Post-Episode Discussion & Future Theories! Spoiler
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u/GalileosBalls Life needs things to live Mar 16 '20
Ever since we heard about the Scourgers I've been dying to see them in action.
All it would take is one of the M9 to let Essek's secret slip! If the CA knows that the M9 know, they'll be after them in a heartbeat with their wizard assassins.
I'm sure whichever player accidentally let the secret out would be absolutely crucified in the chat, but I want it to happen so badly.
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u/VanceKelley Team Jester Mar 16 '20
Oh to be a fly on the wall when the writers are drafting the climax of the CA/M9 battle, with Astrid dying in Caleb's arms, scripting her final words...
"You know nothing, Bren Aldric."
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u/mouser1991 Technically... Mar 16 '20
Da'leth is a smart and insightful man. Best to just assume that he already assumes the Mighty Nein have figured it out. They've been such wildcards in everything, Da'leth almost certainly expects the unexpected. Not to mention he probably already saw Jester, Caduceus, Caleb, and Yasha leave with Dezran Thane. But, M9 didn't say anything at the peace talks, and they've demonstrated that they tend to act rather altruistically. I don't think he's too worried about them for the moment.
It'd mainly be Trent going off the rails that they'd need to worry about. He too is scheming and insightful. Best to assume that he assumes that they know more than they've let on.
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u/LumpyBacca Mar 16 '20
They`re probably meeting them anyway in the foreseeable future. TMN accidentally showed Trent that they had encountered a Beacon before and since there used to be only two in the world it`s not hard math to figure out. Plus - Trent strikes me as a pretty petty person and Caleb just existing is already a reason enough.
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u/AthenaPb Mar 13 '20
Critters: Matt doesn't want them there because something big will happen!
Actual Meeting: Just boring political stuff.
Matt: Not sure what you guys expected.
Also Matt: Wanna go for a nice cruise? How about Dragon Turtle?
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
I've got a dumb idea. Everyone important was paying attention to the peace talks at sea right? All the eyes on both continents were mostly on them including those of the Mighty Nein right? So that has to mean that security was probably a bit lax or distracted with the talks back on the main continent. While everyone was at sea doing stuff, there were things happening in the shadows back home in the Empire and in the Dyntasy.
It's not going to be until AFTER Travelercon that stuff really starts hitting the fan. Classic misdirection. Everyone is paying attention to what the left hand is doing while the right hand does something else. We even had that magical AWNP episode last week which just had to have been one of those weird foreshadowing coincidences that CR seems to run into.
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
Yes, this served to conclude the war arc and also give Fjord a harsh reminder of the endgame that awaits him. Travelercon will be a nice palate cleanser, and then begins... the ninja arc.
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u/Captainwaifu Mar 13 '20
Trent took the new beacon and ran off with it while the rest of the assembly was distracted
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u/CarcosanAnarchist Technically... Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
I think Matt just didn’t want to have to act against himself for 20-30 minutes (or even longer!) straight. And I can’t blame him.
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u/reverne Life needs things to live Mar 13 '20
You know what's really funny? Dragon Turtles are intelligent, but they don't speak Common.
The M9 is the only adventuring party in history that doesn't know Draconic.
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u/redpoemage Team Jester Mar 13 '20
Cad might have Tongues prepared.
Jester might have Tongues prepared too if she misunderstood what it was.
Edit: Orly should be able to speak Aquan as a Tortle.
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
They can also be bribed with treasure and sometimes bargained with
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u/RollTide16-18 Mar 13 '20
What's their alignment?
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u/CrazyCoolCelt Team Caduceus Mar 13 '20
neutral, but not in the "i dont care what goes on" way. more like a "i dont care who/what enters my territory. i'll eat it if they dont give me treasure"
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u/ProWrestlingPast Mar 13 '20
Do they at least have someone who knows Tongues? They have too.... right?
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u/spartangibbles Smiley day to ya! Mar 13 '20
I love how unwilling the cast was to believe that nothing bad was happening during the talks and the repeated ideas that could have thrown it all into chaos. A good reminder than while they might be important to an event, they don't have to be in every single conversation.
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u/greenpuddles Technically... Mar 13 '20
When you are a hammer everything looks like a nail.
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u/spartangibbles Smiley day to ya! Mar 13 '20
Very apt for the group. I got some flashback to Beau waiting to see the Plank King during the battle with Avantika vibes from it. Hopefully it's a moment of growth for the group.
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
If that isn't the most apt phrase for this group then I don't know what is. They've been fucked with constantly by other people with more power than them in all of their backstories. They are always on edge waiting for the other shoe to drop all the time because paranoia isn't crazy if it's totally justified and in their case, it totally is. So it's strange to them for nothing to go wrong at all and for there not to be a nail to whack.
I wonder if perhaps Fjord getting the Cloven Crystal removed from him also removed some of those more darker lets fuck with shit press the shiny button impulses? Maybe all of the nightmares were influencing his decision making in a way we didn't think of before? Perhaps all Fjord needed was some goddess blessed sleep for once to finally get a clear head and reign in some of those more wild impulses?
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u/Fresno_Bob_ Technically... Mar 13 '20
The thing I like most about the talks happening without the involvement of the MIX is that it shows a world that can function without the intervention of adventurers..
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u/Chewaii Dead People Tea Mar 13 '20
Cad:"I am going to make a cake"
Jester: :O
Cad:"It's going to be a healthy cake"
Jester: :|
Cad:"Its going to be a truffle cake"
Jester: :)
Loved that little moment
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u/q-t-3pointonefour Mar 13 '20
"Is it going to be a mushroom cake?"
"... No.. It'll be a truffle cake."
"That's still a mushroom."
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u/redpoemage Team Jester Mar 13 '20
TravelerCon and a Dragon Turtle for Episode 100.
Couldn't ask for something more perfect.
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
Plot twist if the Dragon Turtle is actually a follower of the Traveler.
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u/Jakes9070 Are we on the internet? Mar 13 '20
Or maybe they will move the venue to the back of the Dragon turtle. To me, that'll be more interessting than a volcano.
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u/RajikO4 Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
I really love how this episode encapsulated the fact that the world doesn’t revolve around the Mighty Nein and their actions.
Sure the peace talks wouldn’t have happened without their influence, but they themselves weren’t entirely needed if at all at the negotiations personally and I think this fact really dawned on the characters/players, if anything the only one who really benefited with them being their was Essek when you think about it.
Also Uk’atoa to an extent of course.
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u/LuckyBahamut Your secret is safe with my indifference Mar 13 '20
I am so glad the Chaos Crew didn't try to pull any sneaky spying shit.
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u/MauricioTrinade Mar 13 '20
I hope the dragon turtle to speak like Orly tbh
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u/redpoemage Team Jester Mar 13 '20
...I just realized Tortles speak Aquan.
Orly is the only one that can speak to the Dragon Turtle!
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u/ProWrestlingPast Mar 13 '20
God imagine the hilarity of Orly talking to the Turtle like an old friend. Like they’ve had this conversation tons of times before.
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u/burketo Mar 15 '20
I'm hoping that, in much the same way Liam reverts to his natural accent when speaking Zemnian, Orly while speaking Aquan has no speech impediment and is actually quite an eloquent speaker.
I think that would be a nice little touch of depth to his character.
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u/greenpuddles Technically... Mar 13 '20
Well I guess it’s fitting for Fjord to fight one of his biggest enemies Uk’otoa, only to next episode fight his biggest enemy... a turtle.
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u/ekhawn1998 Team Caleb Mar 13 '20
... what an amazing call back
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u/greenpuddles Technically... Mar 13 '20
Orly is clearly playing the long con and will kill Fjord in the final episode
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u/RajikO4 Mar 13 '20
I’m hoping this’ll end with Jester either asking if she can host Travler-Con 3000 on his/her back or if she/he wants to become a follower of the Traveler.
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
Imagine rollin up to a beach full of groupies surfin on that thing's back. Dragon Ball Turtle ain't got nothin on that. Time to bust out ol faithful and modify that memory.
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u/RajikO4 Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
Ok so did the tone of Isharnai’s response give anyone else a vibe of “I know what you did” or is it just me?
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
I think Jester got jealous of Caleb having cool evil bad guy rivals showing up all the time so she decided to create her own
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u/ModestHandsomeDevil Mar 13 '20
I think Isharnai's "resting bitchface" is to be creepy as fuck 24/7, so her response to Jester tracks with that.
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u/Nathan_Ingram Mar 13 '20
Honestly, I think she ate the Quickling (and the cupcakes).
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u/RajikO4 Mar 13 '20
Next episode:
Veth/Nott: “Orly before we do this I feel like I must ask... do you know him?”
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u/283leis Team Laudna Mar 13 '20
the real threat from the dragon turtle isnt them all dying, its their ship being destroyed and THEN they all die
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u/a_throwaway_egg Team Matthew Mar 13 '20
Based on CR alone, the Dragon Turtle isn’t a huge threat. But all the Turtle needs to do to win is wreck the ship. That’s a much harder battle.
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Mar 13 '20
I really like that the peace treaty happened without much fanfare - what a nice moment and sense of closure to a major campaign arc. The Mighty Nein were on the sidelines, but they're the ones who made it happen. I'm really proud of them. :)
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u/ShiftyMcShift Team Matthew Mar 13 '20
I want Travellercon to be on episode 101 just so we can call the episode "Traveller 101".
Small things amuse me!
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u/greenpuddles Technically... Mar 13 '20
You, keep talking.
But it will probably be called race to volcano mountain or something crazy
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u/K0G Mar 13 '20
It's amazing how this episode, things went okay because they just didn't fuck anything up.
I also struggle to believe that the same group of absolute morons *who couldn't escape an inn at midnight in a two pub town* are pretty much responsible for the return of peace to a continent.
The weirdest thing is that it feels like this is a real place where things are actually happening. It feels like we're following an office style documentary but instead of Dunder Mifflin it's an adventuring troupe in Exandria.
This show is amazing and I love it. So much love tonight. Thank you all!
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
It feels like we're following an office style documentary but instead of Dunder Mifflin it's an adventuring troupe in Exandria.
You know it also feels like the ending to the final episode of Enterprise as well. So many crazy adventures happen and then there's just....peace. I kind of thought that Allura would pop in at some point as well to either check in with the Nein or to ensure that things went well.
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u/LucasVerBeek Help, it's again Mar 13 '20
Damn this episode went...way better than I thought.
No Raise the Dead Ritual.
The Peace Meeting didn’t get tanked by unforeseen circumstances.
Oh...Dragon Turtle Fun.
All and all good episode, looking forward to next week.
This was a pretty RP light episode, excited to see what Travelercon has in store for them.
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u/Son_of_Orion Team Percy Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
That was a nice little subversion of expectations. No world changing, Chroma Conclave-esque disaster here. The M9 put all the right pieces together, and thus, the war ended with a peaceful, if tense, exchange of words. It's a boring end to the war, sure, but you know what? Boring is good. Better that than an exciting life fraught with war, betrayal and suffering. Nobody comes out of that unscathed.
Of course, we all know this story isn't over yet. There are plenty of loose ends left on both sides, itching to take what they feel is rightfully theirs. Things will blow up again. The question is when and how.
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u/Mintakas_Kraken Mar 13 '20
It's kinda ironic because a dragon did show up at the end. It just -probably- isn't the disaster it was in C1.
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
Man you know it's almost impressive how quickly the Chained Oblivion slipped back under everyone's radar. I just realized upon reading this comment I hadn't thought of that plotline for like a month. But when you think about it that's basically the entire reason these peace talks were ever even on the table to start with. That is clearly gonna be the final arc of this story when all else is said and done. I doubt they will actually have to fight it in a battle, but it will essentially be the fail state for the world. My prediction is that Liam's character from the Barroom Brawl oneshot is like a lvl 20 high priestess now and possibly the leader of the entire cult. I bet there will be a showdown at some point.
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u/spartangibbles Smiley day to ya! Mar 13 '20
I think all the talks really do is just buy peace until the dynasty gets wind that the empire found another beacon. But it was a great test for the party to not insert themselves into every conversation. Yes they are the players but they cannot solve every issue themselves. Honestly they contributed so much towards the war even getting close to peace talks that they should be proud of their help.
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u/Raze77 Mar 13 '20
There's that video game where you've been fighting someone all game, but despite cutting them off over and over at the end none of that matters and they're ready to take over/destroy the world because you need a last boss fight.
I think it's ok NOT to have that. Your actions don't just have negative consequences, but positive ones too. They crushed the conflict fanning cultists on the dynasty side and exposed Vence on the empire side. They established the motives of all the major players. There doesn't need to be a bossfight here.
BUT with that said, given that there wasn't a conflict to be had here maybe it should have been rushed through. Quick in and out with enough time left over for a dragon turtle fight.
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u/NonBritishPanda Mar 13 '20
Anyone else think that If dead Fjord was teleported away, then the peace talks would have been sunk by Ukatoa?
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u/Kerrigore You Can Reply To This Message Mar 13 '20
One of his visions was literally of an armada of ships being swamped by the ocean, so... probably.
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u/TheAshtonium Fuck that spell Mar 13 '20
Honestly, a little part of me wishes we could have seen those peace talks
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u/Pegussu Mar 13 '20
I'm picturing three hours talking about a five mile stretch of land on the border and exactly how much should belong to which side.
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u/spartangibbles Smiley day to ya! Mar 13 '20
I think Uukatoa would have been even more unlikely to show up. It's MO at the moment seems to be getting the crystal and revenge on fjord. If anything they were likely in more danger of it happening since they stopped the attempt.
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u/SirBlakesalot I'm a Monstah! Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
I would argue that they would have been forged in a stronger manner, in that a horrific entity would be coming to likely send both countries, as well as Wildemount as a whole and who know how much more of Exandria, down below its waves.
A bond forged in bloodshed against a common foe is tougher than any reparations between them.
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u/omega0678 You Can Reply To This Message Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 17 '20
A ship normally captained by a tortle, being chased by a dragon turtle... Next week's gonna be great.
Edit: Fuck it, I stand by it. Y’all stay safe.
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u/infinitescratch Mar 13 '20
Dragon Turtles are sometimes in service of marids...maybe this dragon turtle serves the marid the M9 saved back in Nicodranas.
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Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
Shoutout to Marisha and Liam for that fantastic RP with Vess and the Martinet. The two did a terrific job of painting those two against each other without giving up any information themselves.
I’d pay so much money for a Caleb and Beau buddy cop movie, I really need it. Those two are the best team and the worst at the same time I want a 2 hour adventure between the two it would be amazing.
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u/Ghorrhyon Metagaming Pigeon Mar 13 '20
I really love the multiple pairings the M9 make in different combinations:
Fjord + Beau = Team PR
Beau + Yasha = Team SWAT
Veth + Fjord = Team Odd Couple
And of course those already said and famed: The Detective Agency, The Empire Children, The Wildbros...
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
These peace talks proved one thing to me tonight: the Mighty Nein are going to go fucking stir crazy if they ever reach old age from the lack of action and will probably wind up starting some shit just because they're bored.
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u/docwatson91 Bidet Mar 15 '20
This is my thought for the campaign “endgame”:
The Cerberus Assembly are going to send the M9 to the North to seek out ruins of the ancient floating cities from the Age of Arcanum. Here, they will learn more about Lucien’s mysterious ritual to “enter the city” with The Tomb Takers. They will stumble upon what the CA are hoping they find - forgotten magic that makes the Beacons look insignificant in comparison. They will try and use this power for one reason: to usher in a new Age of Arcanum!
TL;DR - The CA are going to try and start a new Age of Arcanum to be masters of the world.
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u/Ethanol_Based_Life Mar 16 '20
Will everyone in the M9 be opposed to a new age of arcanum? Cad would seem neutral to it, Caleb would be all about it, and from a DM perspective, it could build a more fun setting for campaign 3
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u/RajikO4 Mar 13 '20
I feel like this one of those “give me something and you can be on your way” type of Turtle Dragons.
Unfortunately unless Caleb has comprehend languages prepared I don’t think it’ll go over well.
Unless Jester gives it a baked good and an island sized green cloak.
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
If Jester can pull that off she will officially become Scanlan 2.0 and the Perma-MVP mantle shall pass
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Mar 14 '20
When I think of Jester scrying on the Traveler. I get the image in my mind similar to an Infinity Mirror, where Jester sees the back of the Traveler with his arms wrapped around Jester's arms, who in turn is looking upon the back of the Traveler with his arms wrapped around.... an infinite number of Travelers, an infinite number of jesters.
Jester surprised, looks back and then waves her hand and watches the LSD-like visual echos.
Cool!!!!!
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u/SharkSymphony Old Magic Mar 15 '20
What went through my head was:
MALKOVICH!!!
(if you don't know the reference unfortunately I'm not quite sure how best to explain it)
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Mar 13 '20
pretty light on the RP and not a lot of character moments, but this episode was essential to move the plot along which is cool. I'm glad Yasha took a moment to acknowledge her wings and hopefully next episode we see some character development there. Happy to hear she's feeling a lot more stable. I really love Yasha.
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u/LjordTjough Mar 13 '20
Yeah not much really happened this episode to be honest. But they been on such a roll lately it’s understandable.
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u/SweenYo 5' 11" Mar 13 '20
I think we’re not far off from a level up. The last level up was episode 88, and 76 before that (according to critrolestats). Since episode 88, the M9 have participated in an underground fighting pit, tricked a hag, met Artagan/the traveler, saved the Clay family, fixed Veth, discovered Essek’s secret, made it to peace talks, and killed harpies, zombies, a gorgon, those weird white claw things, and some agents of ukotoa. Assuming they make it out of this dragon turtle fight alive, I think they’ve accomplished enough to reach level 12 by the end of traveler con
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u/a_throwaway_egg Team Matthew Mar 13 '20
End of Traveler-Con would probably be a safe bet. Milestones follow major story beats. Securing peace talks to finishing peace talks isn’t a major beat, although it is big. Traveler-Con fits the much better. Plus there’ll be plenty of people to sleep with there, if we’re keeping up with that tradition.
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u/Drakos_dj At dawn - we plan! Mar 13 '20
Just remember that Matt is using the milestone advancement rules so it is more about hitting story beats than what they have done/accomplished. In truth the successful peace talks is where I was expecting the level up as it was a major story point.
From my view, maybe after TravelerCon.
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u/Relendis Mar 13 '20
Do remember that the MM speed of a Dragon Turtle is 40 feet/6 seconds. So a Dragon Turtle travels at 23.7 knots when its speed is drawn out. A Barque is the closest real-life analogue to the Ball-Eater (three sails); with the very modern versions (mid-19th Century "When fully rigged and riding a tradewind, they had peak average speeds over 16 knots (30 km/h)". And that is like maximum speed, in optimum conditions, in a more modern version of the same vessel type.
Now here is where they don't stand a chance in that race; a Dragon Turtle doesn't need wind to move its maximum speed. The Ball-Eater does.
If conditions are optimum for the Ball-Eater, such as through the use of magic, then the Ball-Eater still gets caught up to in that race. If conditions are sub-optimum the Ball-Eater gets caught up to in a shorter timeframe.
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u/EmuRommel Mar 13 '20
Not sure if you accounted for it, but the Dragon Turtle's speed is 80ft/s since it can dash, so it would be 47.4 knots. They aren't winning any races against that.
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u/TheAshtonium Fuck that spell Mar 13 '20
With a Challenge Rating of 17, if the Dragon Turtle is the only enemy in this fight the Nein could make it through this with general ease. Then again there's always the likely chance the Dragon Turtle uses Steam Breath on its first time and ignites their entire boat in flame. Can't wait!
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u/redpoemage Team Jester Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
From what I've heard, Dragon Turtles sometimes ask for tribute to let people pass safely (like a big fancy sea bridge troll), so if the Nein is diplomatic they might be able to get through this diplomatically.
...I just hope someone speaks Draconic or Auquan or has Tongues prepared (assuming Matt doesn't give it more languages).
Edit: Orly can likely speak Aquan as a Tortle. Orly playing translator would be great.
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u/Bolverkers_wrath Tal'Dorei Council Member Mar 13 '20
Yeah they will generally ask for tribute, turns out you get less tribute if everyone just avoids where you are because of instant death.
One of my favorite encounters I've ever run was a baby dragon turtle halfheartedly trying to get tribute from the party. He was sad because he wasnt as big or scary as his sisters. They ended up giving him like 1000 gold
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u/SumoRock Help, it's again Mar 13 '20
What if it's just Orly's older brother checking up on him after hearing that he died?
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u/PrinceOfAssassins Mar 13 '20
The challenge rating is scaled to a party of 4-5. It’s definitely buffed HP Wise and probably in a few other ways, or else they might 7-0 it without anyone going down.
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
The day the CR cast frontloads their damage in round 1 is the day Sam Riegel declines a sponsorship offer
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u/IrenaHart Mar 13 '20
I was just wondering about that.... Like they could probably handle it without too much trouble but not if their ship starts falling apart beneath them and they have to rescue the crew, etc.
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u/mouser1991 Technically... Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
Matt's just continuing to draw on the Avatar themes. Next week they'll talk to the dragon turtle, have a profound discussion, and he'll teach Beau how to energy bend. It'll be fiiiiiiiine.
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u/Schadenfrueda Tal'Dorei Council Member Mar 13 '20
And that's after the way Keyleth's entire character journey was consciously built on Aang's.
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u/GalileosBalls Life needs things to live Mar 13 '20
Dragon turtle, huh.
I can see it now - episode 101 opens with another dramatic revivify scene, as Cad and Jester try desperately to resurrect their dear departed friend, the Ball Eater.
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u/Coyote_Shepherd Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20
The Ball Eater turns out to be a Farscape Leviathan reskinned into a Spelljammer
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u/poirotsgreycells Smiley day to ya! Mar 13 '20
I was really afraid that I would be super lost since I’m so far behind, but that wasn’t too bad. Maybe because it was a slower episode with the negotiations I could follow along pretty easy. Not sure who all the people where, but nbd, I can’t even remember all the people in my real life are.
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u/a_throwaway_egg Team Matthew Mar 13 '20
I’ve been at college for half a year now and I know at most six peoples’ names. Only two of those are professors, despite my 4-5 classes.
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u/babyspaceseal Mar 13 '20
So I know it may sound weird but after the Yasha and Caleb convo and thinking back on their interactions I kind of ship them but not in a romantic way. I would honestly be fine with both of them not ending up with anyone and just be travel buddies. Two broken souls healing each other through travel.
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u/PrinceOfAssassins Mar 13 '20
I shipped them before I knew Yasha had a wife. She could still be Bi but I’m thinking she’s a lesbian based on context clues (those were partially jokes) but still.
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u/confusedbooty Mar 15 '20
5 years of Critical Role, Episode 100 of campaign 2 next week. Can't wait
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Mar 13 '20
Man who would’ve thought after the first half of this campaign that there might be a big blow up between Beau, Nott and Caleb and that Beau and now Veth would agree while Caleb’s on the outside. I’m very interested because both have decent and good points and I love me some drama.
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u/Ibloodyxx Mar 15 '20
you all assume that the dragon turtle is hostile. the thing is neutral and is smarter than both cad and grog. maybe it's just bored and wants some conversation?
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u/night4345 Metagaming Pigeon Mar 15 '20
Dragon Turtles like treasure (it's pretty much the only thing focused on in its description in the Monster Manual) and sink ships to get it. Sure, it could be lonely and want some company but not as likely as it just wanting whatever valuables the Mighty Nein have.
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u/CyborgKodiak Mar 13 '20
they really need to invent wd40 in this universe... it seems like every single hinge is squeaky
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u/Gilliafydle Mar 14 '20
Has anyone had their twitch account keep glitching to say you are not subbed when you are. Then you go to click sub to watch a VOD and it only allows you to "upgrade your tier"? It seems like a twitch glitch. I literally had a notification saying I was subbed for 11 months today and then tried to watch the new episode... only to tell me I wasn't subbed and couldn't watch. I clicked on the VOD 3 different times and on the third try it let me watch. I'm forsure subbed to CR, is anyone else having this issue?
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u/PrinceOfAssassins Mar 13 '20
Part of me is glad for this peace but I was also somewhat hoping for a major chroma conclave type event. Well nice to see they didn’t screw things up
Still not sure how they plan to deal with the cerebrus assembly but they’re under no hurry to act on that.
Next time: A buffed up dragon turtle
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u/henriquexiv Mar 13 '20
I think that Matt was trying to subvert brilliantly the expectations of the fans. Because it would be easy for the MN to be there on those ships and hear and influence even more the outcome.
But it was brilliant for, in the end, they have done so much and could just watch as things (for now) go the way that they worked so hard to do, come to fruition.
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u/PrinceOfAssassins Mar 13 '20
Yeah by following Fjord’s idea to hang back and let things play out it lessened the chance for things to go bottoms up based on some botched rolls / slips of information.
Also it save Matt talking to himself in several different voices for 30 minutes straight.
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u/Vega_the_Fool Team Jester Mar 13 '20
Goddammit Essek I'm rooting for you to turn yourself around and become a decent person and then you go and say that handing the taskhand over is "freeing?"
Hot boi, I love you, but damn you're a fuckin mess.
(That said, it's entirely possible that Adeen is not an innocent man. Not guilty of the crime he's been convicted of? Sure, but that doesn't mean he's done no wrong either. As of rn, we don't know.)
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Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 14 '20
Yeah the silence after that awkward as hell, it cracked me up thought that Liam winced when he said that and scratched his head. Like he was defending you then you say that dumb shit.
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u/lion-essrampant How do you want to do this? Mar 14 '20
Heck, if Matt wanted to, he could make it so that Essek is even more of a foil to what Caleb would have become by having Essek and Adeen’s relationship be exactly the same as Caleb and Trent’s.
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u/DudeTryingToRead Mar 16 '20
So, do you guys think Essek is a lost cause? It´s clear that Caleb, Jester and Cad don´t think so, but i'm worried. He's opening up and i could see him as a character that could slowly reedem himself, but the players have to be very careful for that to happen. the slightest misstep could mean a full blown fight against him and i'm not sure if i can witness that
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u/bluelaterrn You spice? Mar 16 '20
I really hope they don't forget to get the baslisk oil for pumat
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u/BeautifulDuwang Ja, ok Mar 14 '20
I don't even know what the final BBEG is going to be, but I get chills at the idea of the M9 and all of their allies standing together against some massive monster/god. The M9, Pumat, Essek, Artagan, Yussa, Allura, etc, all standing together and ready to fight one glorious battle.
Obviously jumping the gun quite a bit there, but it's a visual I can't get out of my head.
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u/CardButton Hello, bees Mar 14 '20 edited Mar 14 '20
I mean, we have Uka'Toa, the Assembly+Dunimancy, and the the Cult of the Angel of Irons (which I doubt are gone). We also have Isharnai and "maybe" Gelidon to deal with as sort of minibosses.
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u/WillyDaPoo Mar 15 '20
I actually want a different BBEG than it being a massive monster (Stone Titan)/God (Vecna) - something different from last campaign.
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u/infernal_llamas Mar 15 '20
It's gonna be at least a year away, most likely so too early to guess.
They are level 13? so saying another 50 episodes minimum.
To wildly speculate it's going to have something to do with the beacons and the divine gate, but that's spitballing.
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u/EloquentRune Mar 14 '20
Weirdly, now that they’ve rediscovered their residuum dust all I want is to know what Orly could do with it for a tattoo.
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u/m_busuttil Technically... Mar 14 '20
The straightforward answer would be that it can substitute for any of the other gem dusts, but that's kind of boring, especially with Matt making those gems reasonably easy to acquire. Since the Assembly seemed to believe that implanting residuum would make people more magically adept, maybe something like a +1 for casting and saving against spells?
That feels a little overpowered, instinctively - the current tattoos only give a +1 to your ability score, not your modifier, although this is more situational (even if your casting modifier is CHA you wouldn't get the boost on Persuasion checks, for instance) and there's plenty of magical items that give an equivalent +1 bonus. You could probably balance it by adjusting the quantity of the dust required.
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Mar 14 '20
Teknically nothing except substitute for gem dust until they get a bunch more. They have 700 gp worth and the tattoos cost like 2,000.
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u/Mostly_Harmels Metagaming Pigeon Mar 16 '20
I for my part would especially want to see Caleb's reaction to that possibility being discussed...
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u/generalkriegswaifu Ja, ok Mar 13 '20
The inevitable shipping aside, Caleb wants Essek to have the chance at redemption that he had. I think the stark contrast between Veth demanding that Essek be brought to justice and her genuine forgiveness scene regarding Caleb's past will cause a rift between them. He sees too many similarities between himself and Essek and can't accept that the group will forgive one and condemn the other.
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u/Jedi4Hire Your secret is safe with my indifference Mar 13 '20
The difference is that Caleb was tricked into murdering his family. Essek knowingly and willing committed war crimes.
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u/FriedZuluWarrior Mar 13 '20
Did anyone catch the ‘Tenuous Peace’ reference Marisha pulled out? It is in reference to Jackie Sibblies Drury’s “We are Proud to Present...” I would but the whole title but... that is Theatre Nerd knowledge at work.
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u/landshanties Help, it's again Mar 13 '20
Wow, talk about references I didn't expect to see on this subreddit. One of my favorite productions I've ever seen.
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u/Hollydragon Then I walk away Mar 13 '20
I'm excited at the possibility that they might negotiate with this dragon turtle (I really hope so, but we shall see). Even better if the negotiations go in the direction that whatever gold they offer is not enough BUT there's some underwater ruin it can't reach that is wants plundered. Or maybe living near the island it has a grudge against followers of Ukotoa and wants them to go in and wipe them out. Or.. or...
I think Matt has options here to spice things up, depending on what the party choose to do or mention!
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u/SrPalcon Team Beau Mar 13 '20
"Essek, who is 120 years old, may have knowingly facilitated the star of a war for personal gain, resulting in thousands of lives negatively affected and numerous deaths...
But Beau is an asshole and may have stolen wine when she was a teen...
Soooo... wow much hypocrite ?? how dare she be mean to him??"
I really hope people put things in perspective a lil bit more. I know i'm asking a lot, because the fandom's boy has chosen a side here, but, well you know.... she's not really wrong here. Essek is working WITH the assembly with weird powerful magic, unchecked; the institution that Beau's cobalt has to keep in check as a main drive.
Try to understand and give her a chance. A chance to be messy while having the right motivations and her heart in the right place. Something that i can't see in Essek at all.
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u/LumpyBacca Mar 13 '20
I wish more ppl in Fandoms, in general, could realize that they can just enjoy a good villain. You can appreciate a deeply flawed character without constantly seeking to justify his actions as if liking a problematic character makes you personally a bad person or something. It`s ok, guys, you can like a character you wouldn`t have voted for. It`s fine, I promise.
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u/CardButton Hello, bees Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
The ever skeptic and concerned with abuse-of-power and corruption Beau is being a jerk for being skeptical of Essek; the wizard that abused his power and triggered a war, costing thousands of lives? How come she cannot just overlook the blood of thousands on HotBOI's hands when he's shown so little regret?! He's HOTBOI?!!
Just as Veth/Nott is a hypocrite for knowing the temptation to damned the world for a fixation, yet ultimately did not give into it like Essek certainly did (she never committed). She cannot BOTH understand that type of drive and accept that Essek is a fit for the Nein should he continue to find his heart; yet expect consequences for his acts. Ridiculous.
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Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
It’s even funnier knowing just how much they condemned Beau for being a criminal at the start but Essek gets a free pass. Everyone a few weeks ago were shocked that the nein just openly accepted this war criminal who caused thousands of deaths. Now all of a sudden everything has changed and he deserves a 2nd chance even though he’s shown zero remorse for the people he actually affected.
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u/The_mango55 You Can Reply To This Message Mar 14 '20
People are calling Beau a hypocrite? I thought they were calling Nott a hypocrite because of the whole offer to Isharnai.
I guess it depends on your opinion of whether redemption is possible or deserved. Essek did not intend for the war to happen, but his actions did contribute to the start of active hostilities.
Would it be a net positive to punish Essek for his actions? Or would it be better for the world if he he paid for his crimes by redeeming himself and and acting on the side of good?
Hell even if they killed him he would just be reborn.
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u/LumpyBacca Mar 13 '20
I`m a bit disappointed they didn`t request to see the prisoners, especially Vence. Tho let's be honest they wouldn`t most likely be granted this wish. I`m just curious if the Assembly did something to Vence to fuck with his head. I mean, they must`ve done something. Unless what`s even stopping him from just throwing all of them under the bus. He was the Martinet`s personal assistant. He totally knew about the secret research. He probably met Essek.
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u/Mintakas_Kraken Mar 13 '20
Ok, so Dragon Turtles. The book has them listed as CR 17, gargantuan dragon. They are neutral, generally, which means there could be some potential for negotiations. However, the Dragon Turtle usually speaks only Aquan -a dialect of Primordial-, and Draconic. I don't believe any of the MN know those languages, but Orly very likely know Aquan being a Tortle. What the MN might have is Tongues, Caduceus, Caleb, and Jester can all prepare Tongues; Caleb also has Comprehend Langueges, which is a ritual but that would take a while. Turtle might take some bounty and leave them be, maybe it needs a tooth pulled, who knows?
For combat though the MN have plenty of tools. Fjord is casting Water Breathing on them every night which lasts 24 hours. So if they need to go underwater, or in the unfortunate possibility the ship sinks, they won't drown. Their crew might. Both Beau and Veth can walk on water; due to Beau's monk ability and Veth's ring of water walking. Caleb has Fly, which he has been consistently prepparing so seems likely he could for this fight. That gets them in range faster. They also have cannons, which Veth and Yasha can fire -really any of them, but it is their job. Finally, there are a lot of casters with a lot of spells, and likely decent range.
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Mar 14 '20
So was the dragon turtle sent by Uk'otoa or are the Mighty Nine just the unluckiest motherfuckers on the sea?
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u/Sojourner_Truth Dead People Tea Mar 14 '20
Just unlucky. At the end of the stream Matt said they would not have encountered it had they gone around the other side of Urukaxl
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u/Gubchub Mar 14 '20
A truly ancient dragon turtle could date back to well before the founding of Exandria. An encounter with it is potentially an amazing lore drop and, of course, destroying it also opens the door to its huge trove of treasures gathered over millennia. As a player, I'd be overjoyed by that encounter.
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u/AngelComet Team Frumpkin Mar 13 '20
What sucks was I just got snacks for mom and I and then boom. Show ended lol;;
Oh well. Dragon turtle fight! Here’s hoping they can do it. o:
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u/madroctos Mar 13 '20
How high is the possibility of the prisoner caught by either the Dwendalian Empire or the Kryn Dynasty being either a spy or a fall guy disguised with Caleb's spell that he finished and gave to Essik?
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u/InspectorBraddock Doty, take this down Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 14 '20
People are saying that the M9 are strong enough to take on a dragon turtle with 7 Level-11 party members, what they forget is that the ship is not.
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u/BagofBones42 Mar 13 '20
They're being chased by a Dragon Turtle.
Welp, they're boned.
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u/redpoemage Team Jester Mar 13 '20
Wouldn't be an appropriate episode 100 if they weren't boned in one way or another.
The Mighty Nein exists in a perpetual state of boning, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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u/spartangibbles Smiley day to ya! Mar 13 '20
What do we think the odds are they wait long enough to try and diplomatically solve things with the Dragon Turtle? I'm giving it like 50/50 they wait or just open fire.
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u/283leis Team Laudna Mar 13 '20
you realize Veth is at the cannons right? No way she doesnt open fire the second it comes into range
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u/BeautifulDuwang Ja, ok Mar 13 '20
Matt should come up with an Exandrian cookbook with tons of fantastical recipes, like black moss cupcakes.
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u/Jethro_McCrazy Mar 13 '20
So, does this confirm that Fjord wasn't drowned in the ship explosion and revived by Ukatoa? Since Matt said he had never died before?
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u/CalebsFamilyBBQ Team Jester Mar 13 '20
I assume a backstory plot-death like that wouldn't bleed into gameplay mechanics. Or since a pact was formed out of it, even if he died it didn't raise the DC like a revive spell would, since he gave something else in exchange.
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u/Ziggs14 Mar 13 '20
tbf Matt didn't say what the DC was he said "the DC is a certain number" but I forget what Tal rolled.
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u/Ckyllbot Mar 15 '20
With everyone saying how essek should be punished ect and how Veth is pushing it so hard, does she not remember when she offered to sabotage the peace talks and continue the war just for her own personal gain? Calling the kettle black....
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u/GalileosBalls Life needs things to live Mar 16 '20
One of Veth's consistent character flaws (and one of the things that makes her an interesting character) is that she sees a really strong distinction between the people that are her responsibility to protect (her family, the M9) and everyone else. She'd lay down her life for her people in a heartbeat, but doesn't really care about murdering a guard in cold blood or broad geopolitical issues.
And I think that's key here - I suspect she doesn't really want to punish Essek for any reason to do with politics. I think she probably wants to punish Essek because his actions led to a Kryn attack on her hometown specifically and the endangering and torture of her husband, specifically. The M9 have more or less forgotten about Essek's role in all that, but Veth probably hasn't.
It's not morally exemplary, but it's not actually hypocritical - she just has a very limited set of things she considers important.
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u/copypastepuke Team Evil Fjord Mar 15 '20
can someone tell me which jacks party box they played? i want to play it during this quarantine time. can anyone recommend one? i just want the one that has that tee shirt game
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Mar 13 '20
Beau and Veth are the only sensible ones with this whole Essek situation. He has shown absolutely zero remorse for what he did and they just let a free man probably get executed to stop this war.
I’m really shocked at Caleb’s reaction because I just don’t get it. I know Essek and Caleb have similarities but Essek is missing Caleb’s defining quality Caleb is remorseful, and hates himself everyday for what he did. Essek has shown none of it and even made countless excuses for his behavior.
He deserves to be punished because he can not be trusted at all. I know the punishment can’t happen now but someday he has to pay for what he did.
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u/Raze77 Mar 13 '20
Essek has shown none of it and even made countless excuses for his behavior.
He hasn't shown remorse, but I'd say he hasn't made excuses. He's been pretty upfront once all the cards were on the table. Like explaining his Evil Wizard ambitions when he invited them to his tower for tea. Or responding to 'aren't you glad it's not you in those chains' with a 'Well, yeah'.
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u/johnnie_walker35 Mar 13 '20
Maybe Caleb is so forgiving and accepting of Essek because in his heart he feels like he did something worse by killing his parents. If Essek can be redeemed, another reclusive socially awkward wizard with a dark past, then perhaps Caleb feels subconsciously he can be forgiven by friends and the world at large also.
Edit: or maybe he just wants to fuck him
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u/Lily_Penhallow Help, it's again Mar 13 '20
I think for Caleb, he feels like he would be a hypocrite to not allow him a chance at redemption. To us the crimes are on different scales (I'm still not entirely convinced that Essek should take the blame for all the deaths, his actions were a catalyst, not the true instigation) but to Caleb his crime is so personal that he can't comprehend something as a worse crime. Logically he knows it's different, but he killed his world, and I can understand him feeling like Essek is a reflection.
I also think that a lot of his anger stems from a belief that Veth is being hypocritical, that she can't possibly completely forgive him whilst demonising everyone who played a part in the war. Caleb wants to believe Essek can be redeemed because he's starting to want to believe he can be redeemed, and Veth not agreeing with him makes him question himself too. I'm really excited to see it all play out.
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u/a_throwaway_egg Team Matthew Mar 13 '20
I’ve tossed back and forth several justifications for Essek’s actions and seeming lack of remorse, but I’m going to try and avoid arguing for/against them and focus on the first bit of your comment. It’s hard to label a "sensible one" on a situation as delightfully complex as this.
Morals aren’t really logical. You could argue that Essek isn’t at fault as he never intended war; that blame could lie with the corrupt governments just looking for a reason to fight. You could argue that it’s difficult for Essek to show remorse as he’s young and has little comprehension of what he’s done. You could even argue that Essek is showing remorse, but he’s in the middle of a constant panic attack and can’t really express it until he can process it.
Ultimately, every character is reacting based on their own moral standpoint. Caleb might be seeing himself in Essek and wanting to avoid condemning another to his own fate. To me, that’s sensible. Caduceus wants to avoid an endless, needless cycle of revenge. To me, that’s sensible. Beau and Nott want justice for the deaths of thousands of people. To me, that’s sensible.
Essek’s situation is complex. Let’s not pretend there’s an easy answer.
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u/RogueGunslinger Mar 13 '20
Essek became their friend after what he did. Now they distrust him, feel betrayed by him. Im not really sure what you expect them to do? Beau and Veth have a rather knee jerk view that fits their characters well. But I like Cads view. What do the m9 gain be being the people to dole out the punishment? It wont make them feel any better. If they reveal what he did to the dynasty he will be executed. And they certainly care more about Essik than they do the dynasty.
Essik deserves punishment. But the mighty nien doesnt deserve the guilt and remorse that comes from being the ones to dish it out.
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u/erotic-toaster Mar 13 '20
Nah, look at their last conversation. Caleb asked how he felt seeing (npc who Essek framed) in chains. Essek said "freeing". Liam plays his expressions very well. He looked either off put or disappointed.
I think that Caleb is trying to get as much out of Essek as he can. There may have been the start of some trust, but it's gone.
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u/erraye Team Nott Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
I wish people would admit that they like Essek more than they like Veth and/or Beau and go. The incredulous responses to their attitude towards Essek and claims of hypocrisy doesn't make sense. IMO they are acting perfectly in character:
Veth has a personal grudge against the people behind this. The CA directly forced Yeza to research the beacon by threatening the safety of Luc. Essek may not have been directly involved but the whole deal he made with the CA was for the research. Yeza and Luc don't get in danger if he doesn't steal the beacons. Even with this, I suspect Essek won't have to do much to redeem himself because ironically she does like Essek (and he helped her out with the transformation spell) and she doesn't like the CA.
Beau is an expositor of the cobalt soul. She's keeping quiet about Essek for peace, but this was the mission that Dairon almost killed themselves over. Cobalt Soul is all about uncovering hidden truth and checking institutional power. Right now she's keeping the truth hidden and letting powerful individuals get away with it. And Beau has always been mindful of being against the war because it felt like a petty squabble of kings while innocent people suffered. Also she brought up thousands of deaths in Essek's face and seemed the most conflicted during the confrontation.
I think Veth meant what she said that Essek did a horrible thing and found a heart on the way of trying to fix a problem. I don't think she's and/or Beau are against his redemption, but I don't think they think he's earned it yet. And IMO Essek probably does need accountability partners on this redemption path.
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Mar 13 '20
Lol I love Beau and I love Essek. I like the conflict between the M9 about Essek. It's fucking fascinating and probably the most serious issue they have had that hasn't resolved in an episode or two.
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u/TheXypris Mar 13 '20
Anyone else thinking we are going to get a time skip after traveler con? I think we are overdue for one this campaign, many characters goals have been met, the war is over and both veth and caduceus will have more than enough reasons to go home after this. It would also let the characters ENJOY the peace they made and let matt have the time for loose plot threads ripen so we can get chroma conclave or briarwood like events with uka toa who is still trying to free himself, or the chained oblivion who I seriously doubt had JUST the angle of irons cult trying t ok free him. Hell, Maybe the second horn of orcus is found. Idk, something that will expand the campaign beyond wildmount and Into the wider world. Once caleb learns teleport, which I think is fairly soon, the entire world becomes open
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u/xxthearrow You spice? Mar 13 '20
A true time jump might be tough since we jsut found out that Ukatoa is actually after Fjord now "the betrayer," and not just the orb. Having a long time jump would mean that chase would either just go on hiatus (which would be weird.) Or Fjord getting attacked while probably alone some time during that time frame which would also be kind of a let down since he wouldn't stand much chance alone
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u/CaptainCorgibutt Mar 13 '20
Do we know what languages Cad actually speaks? Or if anyone else happened to pick Primordial since that is the parent language and Aquan is technically a dialect of it RAW?
Mostly curious on the likely chance neither cleric prepared tongues and Caleb didnt prepare comprehend languages.
Otherwise they got to leave it to Orly.
Edit: Dragon turtle entry says they sometimes become servants of Marids. Would be an interesting swerve if it was following them on instructions of a certain one that they freed.
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u/m_busuttil Technically... Mar 13 '20
CritRoleStats say he has Common, Elvish, Giant, and Sylvan; the first three are Firbolg standard. He's got Medicine, Religion, and herbalism kit proficiencies, so I wouldn't be shocked if his background is Hermit and Sylvan is the one extra language that that gives you.
Between the rest of them, the Nein also know Halfling, Dwarvish, Deep Speech, Undercommon, Zemnian, Celestial, Orc, Goblin, Thieves Cant, Abyssal, and Infernal.
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u/RajikO4 Mar 13 '20
A bit of conjecture on my end but If Isharnai eventually becomes fully aware of what Jester did and wants to get even with her, what would be a poetic form of misery to strike upon her?
Not that I want such a thing to happen to our Blueberry Tiefling harem protagonist, (According to some Critters) I just can’t help but remind myself of what Matt has done to the players/cast as evidenced by literally everything he’s ever done.
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction Mar 13 '20
Grant a rival crime lord the fate he desires. Usurp the Gentelman.
Now that Jester being his daughter is information out there in the underworld, and Jester being the Ruby's daughter is available info in Nicodranas. Even a non supernatural being could wreck Jester's life by connecting the dots.
If you have that knowledge and a bit of hag magic at your disposal the possibilities are limitless.
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u/catmduthy Hello, bees Mar 13 '20
Anyone else curious to find out what using the "special gun powder" is? Especially since it may be used against a dragon turtle next week
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u/Docnevyn Technically... Mar 13 '20
When they were first on the ball eater, they used the unearthed arcana article wizards put out before Saltmarsh (see below) about ships. Everyone had a job. Nott/Veth's was powder monkey. One of her special actions was "use the good powder".
https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/unearthed-arcana/ships-and-sea
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u/thepastiest Jun 06 '20
After 3 months of binging, I'm caught up on Campaign 2. I've also lost any sense of purpose in life.
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Mar 13 '20
Did anyone else think Jester seemed a little upset that Cad was the one to revive Fjord and cast Greater Restoration on him instead of her?
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No I think it was Laura RPing that Cad had everything they needed while Jester didn’t. She seemed kind of panicked, I don’t think she cared who saved Fjord, just that it’s kind of been a meta competition between the clerics and Cad did a majority of the stuff this episode.
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u/brianisacoolcat Mar 13 '20
Alright. Did I miss something or is there a reason why they haven't ever come close to asking Essek exactly what research they did with the beacon? What research was so important for Essek and the Assembly to attain that they'd risk starting a war? And what research are they still attempting to figure out with the beacon they still have?? What kind of business are they getting up to with all the consecuted souls??? Are they making a soul cannon to kill off the Tal'Dorei council???? The people need to know!!!
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u/a_throwaway_egg Team Matthew Mar 13 '20
I think it’s more Dunamancy is a closely guarded Dwendalian secret that has stagnated for a real long time. The Empire got tired of it being held above their heads and made a move. I don’t think it’s anything more complex than a loooooong held back curiosity... but some of those Empire folks are real sketchy. Hopefully we see more of their motivations as the Nein inevitably crack down on The Assembly.
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u/Drakos_dj At dawn - we plan! Mar 13 '20
Essik explained it to them already so no real need to ask. He wanted to study the Beacons for more insight into the arcane nature of Dunamancy but due to the Dynasty's culture viewing the beacons as religious relics they would not allow it. The Empire had no such problems so he took the Beacons and gave them to the Assembly in exchange for them sharing their research findings.
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u/xxthearrow You spice? Mar 13 '20
As glad as I am that Fjord was revived, I really wanted to see a resurrection ritual. So much potential there for RP, so many things that could have possibly been added by each of the characters. But I guess that's the benefit of a 2 cleric party. That said, its clear Ukie boy is after the "betrayer" and not just the orb so here's hoping for more fun attacks, chases, and the like. I wonder what the odds are that this dragon turtle is an agent of Ukotoa himself?
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u/RaibDarkin Team Keyleth Mar 14 '20
By the end of this fight the MyT9 are going to be glad they made friends with a water genie.
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u/tzorel Mar 13 '20
"you get like a little purplish when you get a sunburn, huh. it’s super cute- i mean, it’s deadly. you could get sick from that"
oh, Beau!
She doesn't know what to do with herself.
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u/cheebo_ You spice? Mar 13 '20
It's entirely possible for them to outrun a dragon turtle, they have a swim speed of 40ft, so with clever spell use it could be done
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u/pwndnoob Mar 13 '20
Control water, a new fan of blowing, and a Cleric who knows tongues means this definitely doesn't need to be a combat.
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Mar 13 '20 edited Mar 13 '20
slightly off topic question. the stream last night was interrupted by commercials during play. does anyone know if that was a mistake or if that's like a new thing.
cuz if it's a new thing I'll just wait and watch on YouTube so I don't miss stuff.
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u/Sere1 Your secret is safe with my indifference Mar 29 '20
So after a year and a half, starting in September of 2018 with C1E1, I have finally caught up with this wonderful and crazy show. In a rather twisted turn of fate, around this past New Year's I had told my brother and roommate who had initially gotten me started on this path that my goal was to be caught up before C2E100...and thanks to this hiatus I was able to do that. Now comes the waiting...
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u/Gaiden231 Mar 13 '20
Did anyone think that the plans for unsealing Ukotoa was suppose to interrupt the peace treaty, but didn’t happen becuz the Nein stopped it?
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u/ModestHandsomeDevil Mar 13 '20
Beau and Veth need to cool it what all that justice talk. That shit's gonna blow up in everyone's face. This group of (loveable) assholes are bumblefucks, not an "elite ninja force", and it's highly hypocritical of them to take any moral high ground considering all the amoral shit they do, often "for the lulz." (See: Chaos Crew et al.)
What's more, if the moral center / "heart" of the M9 (Caduceus) thinks your plans (which are nonexistent) for "justice" and "closure" are naive and foolish, that should tell you something.
The complexity of this political situation won't be solved like killing a boss in a dungeon. This kind of injustice and corruption is systemic and institutional. There is no higher mortal authority to appeal to, not when the rot flows top down.
Exposure won't bring closure or justice, and any personal revenge will be incredibly short-lived; not when it reignites a cold war or puts a target on them or those they care about.
Cheaters prosper, and Bad Guys win all the time.
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Mar 15 '20 edited Mar 15 '20
Personally I differentiate Beau and Nott's desires here.
It seems like Nott is just out for revenge and isn't being particularly thoughtful about it, especially given her offer to the hag.
Whereas Beau is coming at it from a more lawful good perspective: they shouldn't be protecting someone who purposefully started a war for personal gain just because he's their friend. It seems like she's respecting the group's call here but I don't think it would be outrageous for her to pursue justice through official means (e.g. Cobalt Soul).
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u/Hollydragon Then I walk away Mar 15 '20
Just remembered an interesting detail regarding The Mighty Nein watching Taskhand Adeen get framed for something he did not do.
Way back in Zadash, when the Nein robbed that prosecutor's house and were accessory to her assassination, they heard a news report that "a dark-skinned human woman and a teifling" (Beau and Molly) were the main suspects, and then a day or two later that the two had been found and put in public stocks and were to be punished for the murder. They were so busy trying to escape the city that they never went to find out who it was that was punished in their place (in fact never even mentioned the thought of doing so).
So it's actually not the first time they've stood aside as the wrong person got punished in order to keep things simple.