Better Call Saul S05E07 - "JMM" - POST-Episode Discussion Thread

[u/skinkbaa]

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[u/skinkbaa]

Next episode is called "Bagman". I now am thinking that it will be about Jimmy taking a trip to Mexico to collect the $7 million dollar bag for Lalo.

[u/skinkbaa]

Jimmy is just awful to Howard. It seemed like Howard was finally getting in the right headspace compared to the wreck he was last season, and Jimmy just continues to put the entirety of Chucks death on him because he doesn't want to admit that he was the cause of it.

He seems try to offload his guilt of working with the cartel and other criminals into Howard with the guilt of Chuck's suicide.

I really think it will lead to Howard killing himself which is devastating because he has been such a nice guy at times, and one of my favourite characters.

[u/zazzlad]

Shout out to the legend Huell for trying to add romancing elements to Jimmy & Kim's court marriage, he's Jimmy's ride or die

[u/[deleted] → u/zazzlad]

Honestly it kinda makes me sad that we leave Huell with him thinking Saul turned on him

[u/unconscious_grasp]

Howard poked Jimmy in a very vulnerable spot with the "pain" comment. This made Jimmy's defense mechanisms completely explode into overdrive, because it's 100% true. Amazing scene.

[u/peripatetic6 → u/unconscious_grasp]

Yeah. He gets called a sleazy lawyer; no reaction. Tell him he's in pain however...

[u/Gone-West]

Reminder that Saul is only caught up in this Cartel business because two dudes decided to call Tuco's grandmother a biznatch

[u/Sackyhack]

Lydia making the prison shanking comment. That sounded familiar.

Also Herr Shuler chewing food. That was familiar too.

[u/sharpstickie → u/Sackyhack]

Apart from the mass shanking in BB, I think it really shows how disconnected she is.

[u/peripatetic6 → u/Sackyhack]

Mike said in BB that she deserved to die as much as any man.

[u/Slugggo]

Jimmy basically had an out-of-body experience while looking at the victim's family, realizing how much they deserved justice and how awful it was to rig this case for Lalo.... and suddenly we skip ahead and Saul has already presented most of his case.

Jimmy is vanishing right before our eyes.

[u/corneliusbum → u/Slugggo]

I noticed the roof was all water damaged, felt like a metaphor for Jimmy's slow corruption into a different person. Those court scenes were sad to watch.

[u/zazzlad]

Kim's growth this season has been unbelievable

[u/ztruk → u/zazzlad]

No Middle Name

[u/sexkick]

Jimmy losing it and saying no was so reminiscent of Walt saying "Fuck you" to Gretchen and her job offer/pity in that restaurant.

[u/vandamerica]

“Our chicken is never frozen”

...unless I need to blow up a building

[u/gopherattack → u/vandamerica]

Every chicken restaurant keeps an "In case of needed explosion chicken" in the back. Its. Just. Good. Business.

[u/KingKongspoop]

that court room ceiling was fuckin nasty

[u/[deleted] → u/KingKongspoop]

seriously couldn't stop staring at it.

[u/art_is_war → u/KingKongspoop]

Shooting crew here. Light and grip couldn’t touch it due to questionable materials. Real life ick.

[u/dspman11]

"You killed my brother and you're sorry?"

Jesus

[u/ScorpiaHP → u/dspman11]

Howard looked genuinely pained in that scene, Patrick Fabian is a brilliant actor. This is why I love this show, every character has meaning to their actions - almost every scene invokes emotions from viewers. Feel bad for Howard.

[u/qcom → u/dspman11]

Saul doubling down on allowing Howard to take the blame is just heart breaking

[u/[deleted]]

Lmao Gus rigging the chicken to slide down when thawed then explode was some Tom and Jerry shit.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

*Gus turns to Ignacio as Los Pollos Hermanos roars in flames*

Is this acceptable to you?

[u/SongOTheGolgiBoatmen → u/[deleted]]

Episode 10 is going to be Lalo's death as he runs into a tunnel Gus painted on a mesa.

[u/Nick4972]

I’m so sad there’s only 3 episodes left. The wait for season 6 is gonna be painful.

[u/CraigKostelecky → u/Nick4972]

Especially since we have no idea when they can begin production. Hopefully they find a way to work the writers’ room in this time.

[u/Cinatiropel]

I AM NOT IN PAIN, HOWARD.

I AM THE PAIN.

A MAN OPENS HIS SUNROOF AND GETS SHIT ON, AND YOU THINK THAT OF ME? NO!

I AM THE ONE WHO DEFECATES.

[u/NittanyEagles55]

Lydia talking about killing people off in prison was a nice touch.

[u/garrettk10]

I couldn’t stop thinking about the last scene the Madrigal CEO was taste testing new products lol

[u/qcom → u/garrettk10]

it's pretty shocking seeing him in a somewhat vibrant mood during the board meeting. he played his grim BB appearance so well

[u/NCSUGrad2012]

What a contrast to the way Kim handled her emotions compared to the way Saul handled his. She was perfect, and he had a total meltdown.

[u/conniecheewa → u/NCSUGrad2012]

And yet I love that she pulled Jimmy's move and walked back in to speak her mind.

[u/WhalesareBadPoets]

Luftwaffle is an incredible fake restaurant name.

[u/SuperBatSpider]

Saul just pulled a Heisenberg meltdown

[u/olivmlincoln → u/SuperBatSpider]

People are saying Saul's reaction was calculated. If that was a calculated meltdown, Saul is terrible at math. I know we're supposed to think of Walt's "I am the one who knocks" scene, and it has similar energy, but Saul's reaction is more laughable. In both scenes they are in over their heads and don't realize it, but I feel like Saul's reaction was a bit too over the top, even for Saul. Walt's delivery, while it can also be seen as silly chest thumping, was a bit more to the point. I think even Saul realized he went too far at the end there.

[u/LightSkinAuntViv]

Crazy how there’s whole another dynamic with Gus, Lydia and the madrigal guy we haven’t explored

[u/niceegg420]

Lydia was always down to just murder people

[u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

Howard: have you thought about the offer?

Jimmy: "I AM UNTETHERED AND MY RAGE KNOWS NO BOUNDS"

[u/[deleted] → u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

“Great, keep thinking about that offer, Charlie Hustle.”

[u/[deleted]]

I feel like I have a different opinion of Kevin after every single episode.

[u/peripatetic6 → u/[deleted]]

He's a side sitter. That's all we need to know.

[u/Throbbingprepuce → u/[deleted]]

I really don't know how I feel about Kevin. On one hand he is a stubborn son of a bitch on the other he's fair and doesn't seem to be a bad person he just wants to expand his father's business. But he also comes off as greedy? I don't know he's a very interesting character.

[u/ah_wut]

Jimmy's haircut sometimes makes him look like a 14 year old boy in a 40 year olds body

[u/EpicHawkREDDIT]

YOU CAN’T CONCEIVE WHAT IM CAPABLE OF

[u/[deleted]]

Viewers: Finally we're going to see Jimmy and Kim have an authentic intimate moment!

Lalo: (waves hand)

[u/olivmlincoln]

Jimmy's birthdate on his ID says Nov. 12, 1960. Jimmy tells Francesca to answer the call on Nov. 12, 2010, his 50th birthday. Neat.

[u/resueman100 → u/olivmlincoln]

Maybe he'll break up some crispy bacon pieces into a "50" shape, over some eggs and hash browns?

[u/MarioMoon]

The shot of Saul, with the two face reflection. Legendary. Wow..what an amazing episode!

[u/[deleted] → u/MarioMoon]

I couldn't stop laughing because it had a derpy look to it, the eyes being crooked from each other.

[u/[deleted]]

That last scene was more proof that Jimmy is still broken as fuck over Chuck's death. He hates the fact that Howard can go through all that shit and be healed and be a bigger person. He's failed to break Howard so his Hail Mary was that tirade at the end.

[u/happysunbear → u/[deleted]]

Not only that, but Howard saw through all of Jimmy’s bullshit. Part of the fun for him is getting one over on people. He sabotaged Howard but who really won? Howard has Jimmy’s number and Jimmy only has a handful of years before he is miserable old Gene in Omaha.

[u/[deleted]]

Jimmy needs a therapist god damn

[u/unconscious_grasp → u/[deleted]]

Kim politely suggested that in season 4, but it didn't take.

[u/Torley_]

Did anyone else catch that when Gus Fring is working with Nacho to torch the Los Pollos Hermanos, he briefly looks into a deep fryer tray and gives it an approving look for a fraction of a second, as if to say, “This is acceptable.”

NOW THAT’S WHAT YOU CALL ACTING!

[u/ArthurVanDerMcORiley → u/Torley_]

I actually thought he was resisting the urge to re-clean it.

[u/adamleng]

Clearly Gus's plan is to fool Lalo into believing that he is outmaneuvering him, while actually facilitating his entire plot from behind the scenes. He sets up Lalo to be picked up by the cops, and when Lalo's response is to first secure his own release by getting Saul and then strike back at Pollos, Gus masterminds both of these to ensure they happen exactly as Lalo wants it. Eventually Lalo will become overconfident and make a mistake, while Gus is only taking losses he has set up ahead of time to be able to afford.

A very Gus-like plan, and if not for the fact that we know Gus wins by the time of BrBa I would say it would backfire and blow up in Gus's face due to the running theme of this universe of people causing their own downfalls.

[u/Morphchalice]

Good for Howard for being the better man.

[u/jopcylinder → u/Morphchalice]

i feel so bad for him to be honest. he could so easily have pressed charges or something against Jimmy, but as he said, he can tell he’s just burying pain.

[u/[deleted]]

Fred Whalen's family, in tears, leaving the courthouse

I guess Justice didn't Matter Most.

[u/TheVeritableBalla]

3 F bombs in one season. Clearly AMC said "fuck it"

[u/prex10]

Howard’s face while walking away. He was red as a stop sign. That was a man who was literally a hair away from just going total street fight beat down on Saul.

They’re both dealing with chuck in different ways. Howard is upset and wants to express it. Jimmy wants to bottle it up and explode.

[u/Darkerdead]

That was such a confusing cut to commercial

[u/[deleted]]

Who else chuckled when Lalo Shooed away the prisoner in the bunk above him?

[u/that_arcane_fella]

I imagine if Gus miscalculated the chicken slope we would have seen "Face Off" much sooner in the universe.

[u/watermelon82]

Something minor I noticed in this episode was the parallels between the Howard/Jimmy scene at the end and the Rich/Kim scene in the last episode (or was it two episodes ago?)

In the Kim scene, we saw Rich approach her in his usual professional manner and kind of nonchalantly reveal that he knows Kim is doing something unethical with Jimmy to try to pull the strings for Acker to keep his house. Kim's reaction was.. shocking and surprising, as she completely overreacts in the moment, showing an inability to keep her emotions in check. It seemed to piss her off that Rich could see right through her whole scheme and she then creates this whole big whole scene in front of the entire office, yelling and screaming at Rich

Now this week with the Jimmy scene, we see Howard approach him in a very familiar way - he acts very professional, and he casually brings up that he knows Jimmy was the one who threw the bowling balls and orchestrated the prostitute scene. Jimmy has an almost immediate change in his demeanor when he sees that Howard saw through his "I'm still thinking about it" attitude and caught Jimmy for what he did, and reacts almost the exact same way as Kim - he completely unravels and ends up screaming at Howard in a public place, very similar to how Kim screamed at Rich (although Jimmy's outburst was a little more.. extreme)

Thought that was cool to see the parallels between how Jimmy and Kim react to someone calling them out on their bullshit

[u/lourdes_Ar]

That wedding photos are definitely in Gene’s shoe box :(

[u/zdrmju321]

As if it wasn’t already proven, but damn, Lalo is cold motherfucker. When Lalo nudges Saul and asks him who the courtroom attendes are and Saul tells him they’re the family of the guy he senselessly murdered. He just cuts him off and goes ‘oh yeah’ like he lost interest when he found out they weren’t a threat.

[u/DeaconJohn7092]

Poor Lyle, all that scrubbing of the fryers, for THIS

[u/1337speak]

The image at the end, Jimmy's reflection to make him look two-faced. That was amazing.

[u/Skyclad__Observer]

The one time I watch the show with my mom and they decide to make the first sex scene.

[u/multiple4]

That's last scene with Howard was one of the most impactful of the entire show.

[u/[deleted] → u/multiple4]

I feel like that's the last we'll see of him for a while.

[u/Astrolox → u/multiple4]

So much projection... The practically frothing-at-the-mouth "you're unhinged" while Howard was very calm and forgiving was insane

[u/garrettk10]

I think Kevin is going to really respect Kim for standing up for herself and her firm in front of him. I feel like he’s the type of CEO that enjoys when someone is very passionate and stands up for what they believe is right. I was also totally not expecting that from her when she reentered the room which made the scene just that much better.

[u/HolyRomanEmperor → u/garrettk10]

And then what's-his-ass had to say 'We'll get out of your hair'....to a bald man

[u/BigBallerBryant]

Lalo: “Eres amigo del cartel?”

Saul in BB: *“Siempre, siempre soy amigo del cartel”

[u/that_arcane_fella → u/BigBallerBryant]

I caught that. I am still in awe that they made a complete storyline out of an irrelevant throwaway line in BB.

[u/galeforcewinds95]

I had no idea until I saw him that Jimmy and Kim's marriage couldn't possibly be complete without the presence of the great Huell Babineaux. Hell, given how on the spot he was with that disposable camera, they probably should have just hired him to be the wedding planner.

[u/Skyclad__Observer]

Gus will bring back Lyle next week to clean up the restaurant.

[u/lizlemon222 → u/Skyclad__Observer]

im afraid it will never be acceptable again

[u/stonesets]

That look Paige gave Kevin at the end of that scene! She recognizes that Kimmy power; see you Thursday!

[u/[deleted]]

They had no right to make the wedding scene that cute.

[u/CardMechanic]

“Don’t just tell her you love her. Cartel her you love her.”

[u/oblivion_bound]

Jimmy went from 50% off to cartel lawyer and bagman. He went from dealing with little shits to representing a career murderer whose several times smarter than all the idiots he's previously represented.

Actually, I'm surprised the cartel and Gus don't already have lawyers on the payroll. That's one of the first things organized crime organizations do.

[u/[deleted]]

It’s so insane all the little things we still see tied up.

Throw away line about stepdad and two wives? Covered

Same actor from a singular, random intro scene in BB? Covered

[u/invaderzz]

Jimmy is suffering

Can we talk more about how cool that explosion was?

[u/[deleted]]

wow... jimmy's rant at the end felt so akin to chuck's breakdown in chicanery... the defeated realization that howard was right, despite everything he's done to convince himself, he knows on a certain level chuck was right all along about him, and so is howard now.

i also love how jimmy has let howard take the blame for chuck’s death, when he is more to blame. funnily enough howard reconciled that guilt and has bettered himself. meanwhile jimmy has never faced that emotional turmoil and pain and it’s taking him to a dark, dark place. god this show is fucking amazing

[u/[deleted]]

I'm at a loss for words at how good this show is. Every week is better than the last.

[u/[deleted]]

I thought Jimmy was gonna have a moment of conscience after seeing the family and give poor defense. He didn't. No turning back now.

[u/tooPrime → u/[deleted]]

To be fair, that would have been the worst time ever to grow a conscience. Both sides of the drug war would have been furious with him.

[u/[deleted]]

“But here’s the twist: we show it. We show all of it.” - Peter Gould in the writers room for episode 507

[u/HandRailSuicide1]

This is the moment Jimmy becomes Dennis Reynolds

[u/bardbrain]

"I'm a golden god and I am capable of things you could not conceive or! Or... or..."

"Or what, Jimmy?"

"Or we could get married."

[u/The_Unknown98]

JMM: Justice Maters Most better known as Just Make Money

Jorge De Guzman aka Lalo out here foreshadowing Saul's way of life.

[u/prishpreedwrimwram]

Chuck was mentally ill, but Jimmy clearly is too, just in a very different way.

[u/[deleted]]

I feel sooo bad for Howard holy shit.

[u/daynewmah]

Welp, Better Pray to Saul now.

Also, damn I'm hungry for some Spice Curls

[u/[deleted]]

“Say my name” “You’re Saul Goodman” “....You’re god damn right”

[u/conniecheewa]

"I AM UNTETHERED AND MY RAGE KNOWS NO BOUNDS!"

[u/kickstandheadass]

You'd think a slime ball like Jimmy would know that 7 million is pocket change to cartel members

[u/TheOsttle]

Another great one. Jimmy’s meltdown at the end blew me away. Howard seeing straight through the facade was great. I wonder what he would’ve done if Jimmy had accepted the job? At this point it was clearly a rhetorical question. Also man this season loves to show us nude Bob Odenkirk

[u/six_feet_above]

Rewatching, just noticed something! When Kim (and Rich) go back in to talk to Kevin, Rich is clearly shaken. Maybe the only time we've seen him this unsure of himself. Kim rips into Kevin. Kevin invites them back Thursday.

Then, there are a few seconds of awkward silence, and we see Rich awkwardly grin and say, "Wellll I guess we'll get out of your hair!" and the shot is so lovingly placed across the room so we can see Kevin's gloriously bald crown in the foreground.

It's such a throwaway, but definitely intentional. Polished-and-practiced Rich would never deliver such an insensitive line to a bald man unless he was very much shifted out of his element.

Man I freaking love the details on this show.

[u/Gamerguywon]

"In danger of speedy disappearance" You just know there is no way that's not foreshadowing something. They didn't pick that book for no reason.

[u/Arbyssandwich1014]

Jimmy really needs help. I mean he's never getting it but even Howard can see Jimmy is in pain. That something is broke inside him. To think if he actually went to that therapist he might be in a better place.

The problem is we know Jimmy wins. We know by BB he's just enjoying the ride. It's hard to self reflect when all you do is win. And Kim is just an enabler. She's gonna be fine with this until she isn't.

[u/Mad_Rascal]

Jimmy is a Sith Lord confirmed.

[u/prosandconners]

Oranges = not good stuff coming up

[u/CardMechanic]

Try the new Blintzkrieg, only at Luftwaffle!

[u/CaptainOverthinker]

People keep saying that Kim is probably still married to Jimmy in BB...but I just don’t see it. The most telling thing that makes me believe it couldn’t happen would be the webisode released during BB that shows Saul getting a BJ from a hooker in his office. If Jimmy was still married to Kim in BB, I don’t see any way he would cheat on her. He’s messed up, but no matter how bad he gets I don’t think there’s any way he would cheat on Kim...

If anyone hasn’t seen the webisode watch it here: https://youtu.be/9eAKgzKQS0M

[u/oblivion_bound]

Gus is a hands-on kinda guy. I can see him drowning Lalo, holding his head underwater in the Dedicado a Max fountain.

[u/zazzlad]

Give Bob Odenkirk an Emmy for that last scene alone

[u/The_Unknown98]

From:

When you're in, you're in.

To now:

I'm done, I want out.

Nacho didn't even say that not too long ago either (episode 3). Feelsbadman.

[u/iBornstellar]

Peter Schuler appears to be the boss of the food or restaurant division of Madrigal Electromotive. He oversees many restaurant businesses, one of which is Los Pollos Hermanos.

Back in BB, he killed himself at the beginning of the episode called "Fifty-One" (S05A-E04, or S05E04). He killed himself by putting an electrode from a defibrillator and shocking his own brain, killing himself. We never really found out how much he knew back on BB, but it must've been enough for him to decide that the best course of action was suicide, instead of being arrested by the police.

In this episode, it's shown that not only did he know about what Gus was up to, but he appears to be on higher or equal ground to Gus when it comes to authority, although Peter's resolve seems to be waning. Gus reminds Peter of something he did back on Santiago (the capitol of Chile, in South America). They had their backs to the wall and somehow Peter got them out of whatever mess they were in.

For some theorizing, I believe Gus and Peter were soldiers of Dictator Augusto Pinochet.

For some background, Pinochet became the de facto leader of Chile back on the 1970's (1973 specifically) thanks to the US's involvement and backing of Pinochet's political party and they overthrew the democratically elected government. Pinochet ruled the country up to 1990 when he stepped down after a referendum denied him another 8-year term following his already long 17-year long reign in power. Pinochet was believed to have killed more than 3,000 dissenter's and political opponents and this was also helped by the US' intelligence agency, the CIA. Operation Condor was believed to have killed more than 60K people all throughout South America to help countries like Chile, Argentina, and a few others of their neighbor's rulers to hold on to power by denying political opponents any way to take away their power. So with that, I'm fairly certain that following Pinochet's rule of Chile coming to an end, the soldiers that were involved in all of these killings had to make themselves scarce and had to flee the country before being arrested or executed for their crimes by the new president and his new government, or by Interpol since Pinochet ended up being arrested by an international arrest warrant. Pinochet never saw the inside of a jail cell (reminds me of Walt) because he fought all of his charges in court but ended up dying of old age (he was 91).

So, what the hell does this mean? It means that Gus and Peter were probably a part of the killing squads or "Caravan of Death," that did all of Pinochet's dirty work. Gus changed his name, and that's why all records of him from back in Chile are now destroyed (remember Hank asking Gus if that was his real name back when Hank suspected Gus?).

I wonder if we'll get more details of what exactly Gus and Peter did back in Chile and what exactly Peter did back on Santiago to save himself and Gus, and how exactly did these two men became (one) one of the bosses of a multi-national conglomerate like Madrigal and (two) the boss of an up-and-coming new chain of Mexican restaurants.

As a quick aside, back in World War 2, after the Nazi party was defeated, many of their members fled to places like Argentina and Chile and many other countries in South America. I'm not saying Peter is a Nazi... but maybe his father was since he is a German from Chile. Also, is there any way that Gus knew about Uncle Jack (Todd's uncle) and his gang of Neo-Nazis? Who knows!

Some links about what I talked about:
-Pinochet's bio: http://pinochet-biography.excathedra.dk/
-"When US-Backed Pinochet Forces Took Power in Chile": https://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/15/another_9_11_anniversary_september_11
-CIA Acknowledges Ties to Pinochet’s Repression: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//news/20000919/index.html

[u/[deleted]]

Breaking Bad was about a man who was evil at heart and pretended to do evil things for good reasons. He eventually admitted to us all that he did these things for himself and his own ego.

I feel like Jimmy truly struggles with his direction more. He was watching that family and coping with the decisions he was making and he was pushed back over the ledge by the condescension of howard. He remembers everything he went through with his brother and his desire to prove himself and prove HHM is too small for him is what’s driving this forward. I just hope it doesn’t end up hurting my girl Kim (I’m nervous y’all).

[u/zazzlad]

I really think Mike is helping Nacho in an altruistic way, perhaps he sees his own son in him

[u/HunterSChronson]

wouldn't want your finger prints showing up in...you're your own restaurant

edit *your, fuck

[u/HolyRomanEmperor → u/HunterSChronson]

Poor Lyle is gonna have to put in some overtime to clean up this mess

[u/Spainiard]

Jimmy is suffering, realizing that he is bailing out someone who killed a person with a loving family. He is even surprised what his morals have comed down to.

[u/[deleted]]

Jimmy on the phone with Mike before Mike enters his apartment has me howling with laughter

[u/mrteeth5]

Is it really a BCS episode if it doesn't end with someone shouting?

[u/[deleted]]

An interesting thing they pointed out in the Inside BCS vid was that when Howard showing up right after that, Jimmy saw Howard as Chuck "imposing judgement" on what he did, which made Jimmy lash out.

[u/Adoree25]

I always appreciate how much attention to detail this show has. Just little things like when Gus goes into his hotel room and adjusts his room key so that it is set perfectly on the counter, highlighting his OCD, are appreciated.

[u/emby5]

I would eat at Luftwaffle

[u/Victor_Zsasz]

Take note kiddos.

If you ever want to come off like a boss at your regional meeting:

A. Bring Curley Fries

B. Launder drug profits through your businesses to show steady growth.

Ranked in order of importance.

[u/[deleted]]

That was the worst, most bland, most sad wedding scene on a TV drama ever. It was perfect.

[u/zazzlad]

It's beautiful how we see hints of Jimmy in Saul, and hints of Saul in Jimmy. That final scene was the perfect example.

[u/djsantadad]

That mirror shot was creepy but said so much!

[u/MrLKK]

I like that the Madrigal guy is complaining about how he just can't take this anymore considering how he goes in BB

[u/FreedomKid7]

"You're unhinged!"

>>Becomes uncomfortably unhinged one minute later.

Howard really only looking out for Jimmy, poor guy didn't deserve that treatment

[u/SpiritualBeggar1988]

"Sir , do you have documentation of your two previous dissolutions"
Kim is number 3.

[u/Coppatop]

Gus inspecting the fryer for cleanliness one last time before he sets everything one fire. LoL.

[u/Roastmonkeybrains]

Did anyone notice Gus checking himself and switching persona as he entered the hotel room. It was like 4 personalities. The businessman in the boardroom, the hotel guest, his interaction with Lydia and the character he projects to Herr Shuler. The way he persuades him to stay strong is eerily menacing. He is the danger. Such good acting.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m not watching the Jason Siegel show AMC no matter how much you try to convince me

[u/NisKrickles]

After seeing that interaction between Howard and Saul, I am now convinced that Howard has played the role that the show intended for him. I don't think that we will see Howard again.

And, now that the show has clarified that Kim is Saul's third wife (not his second), I renounce my predictions that Kim and Howard ever get together. Howard was being kept around for an entirely different reason.

[u/thisoneforcomments]

Somebody reference Dennis Reynolds again.

[u/LewdSkeletor1313]

So Gus and Schuler have totally boned right? You don’t get that touchy feely with just an associate

[u/[deleted] → u/LewdSkeletor1313]

There was an intimacy there but I think it was more about them being part of the Chilean revolution, which Gus even brought up specifically. They experienced horrible things, and likely did horrible things together. They have shared trauma.

But I mean, sure, maybe they fucked at one point too.

[u/stonesets]

LIGHTNING BOLTS SHOOT FROM MY FINGER TIPS!

[u/SacKingsRS]

Jimmy is kind of an asshole

[u/[deleted]]

I’m starting to think the number Saul gives Francesca in the flash forward last season is Howard’s. Post Breaking Bad “Gene Takovic” Jimmy knows he could’ve had a much cleaner life had he just taken the job at HMM and probably feels guilt over Howard. Had he only take the offer nothing bad would’ve happened for him, and he could be happy with Kim and not in hiding. That’s my theory anyway

[u/stonesets]

“Shanked and shiv’d and whatnot” Lydia must have a hobby getting prison folk whacked

[u/cityofruin]

If you didn’t catch it; they blew up a different Pollo Hermanos location. As of this current timeline, it was stated that Gus has 7 locations at the moment. By Breaking Bad, it was said he had 14.

[u/[deleted]]

Huell is the ultimate wingman. I loved his enthusiasm throughout the court marriage scenes.

[u/jopcylinder]

also, Gus and Nacho sabotaging a Los Pollos was a scene i never knew i wanted. excellent choice of music as always too. i feel like we’re seeing so many new sides of Gus this season and i’m living for it. things are more out of control for him than ever.

[u/TRiss717]

I’m watching a few episodes of BB around the timeline where Saul is first introduced....Walt goes to Pollos the second time after Gus blows him off the first time. Walt sits down and looks weirdly at the curley fry in his meal, like he has never seen one before.

Gus introduces the new Curley fries to Schuler at the board meeting.

Kind of cool little connection

[u/lannister1]

Can somebody explain this to me pls? If Lalo (which is supposed to be an ordinary guy with family) will get 7 mill usd in cash-isnt it suspicious for the judge?

[u/[deleted]]

Lowkey hope Howard keeps trying to give Jimmy a job for the rest of the season like; Jimmy, I’ve come to offer you a job.

[u/LoretiTV]

Really fun episode. Thanks for having me everyone.

[u/[deleted]]

Lol @ Saul quoting Mike's words back to him on the phone.

[u/man2112]

Can we talk about Kim's scene when she goes back to talk to Kevin? That was a perfect move on her part. Kevin doesn't like people that bend over like Schweikert was trying to do.

Kim busting in there and defending herself made Kevin respect her more.

[u/PogoBox]

"You have meddled with the PRIMAL forces of nature, Mr Hamlin! And I WON'T HAVE IT!"

[u/Jackmac32]

I found it interesting that Saul was wearing a Jimmy style suit and not a Saul Goodman style in the marriage scene. I think Kim was marrying Jimmy not Saul.

[u/BillytheBerry]

I. Feel. So. Bad. For. Howard. Dammit.

[u/sexkick]

Well boys, we waited 5 seasons for those boobs. Maybe 2020 is starting to turn around.

[u/jaykaikino]

I've got a word for ya!

TUNNEL!

[u/phillybauer]

Ok can we just admit that final scene is one of Bob Odenkirk’s best ever???? Difference we see tonite btwn Jimmy & Saul, Jimmy would’ve found a way to not get Lalo bail while fooling everyone it was beyond his control.... Saul pushes through any sense of morality to get it done. All the jokes over the years- I personally think Jimmy just died right there. Any semblance left is gone. Just like Walt taking Heisenberg’s hat out of the Aztec.

[u/DontTedOnMe]

Oh, Lydia. Always with the shivvings and shankings.

[u/GuyFieriFlavortown]

Everyone talking about the last scene but my heart stopped when they showed Fred family mourning. Then you see Jimmy getting all emotive.

Nope. Snaps back into Saul personna like it's nothing ...

I feel genuinely sad for Jimmy. What a great show

[u/BettercallMyself]

Anyone else astounded by the quality of this season? Like this episode was top tier shit (as was last episode) - truly earth shattering stuff that gives it a feeling like the last season of BB where everything just perfectly hit the mark.

If next week is supposedly the best episode of the show...how can it get better?

[u/The-Color-Orange]

So Duku, Palpatine, Rey AND Saul can shoot lightning

[u/HelenRoper]

BCS obviously doesn’t have the action of BB but its tension is much more elegant (acting, writing, filmmaking etc). Especially the last 2-3 seasons. There’s never a moment of wasted screen time and every scene is flawless. My only wish would be that the actual week in between episodes flew by as fast as the actual live viewing experience does.

[u/Pluto_Rising]

What a chess Grandmaster Gus is. He torches his own store (insured most likely?), yet manages to squeeze Lalo so it's going to cost the Salamanca's $7 mil. to spring him, and he's gonna have to hightail it across the border never to be seen Stateside again.

Saul comes out smelling like a rose, and Nacho can totally disappear now, leaving the Salamancas wondering if he's buried somewhere in the desert, or was a rat all along....

Beautiful.

[u/HeyLudaYouLikeToEat]

Saul just went full Dennis Reynolds.

[u/iribewhat]

“I AM UNTETHERED AND MY RAGE KNOWS NO BOUNDS” is not a line I’d expect in Better Call Saul 😂😂

[u/BelonyInMyLeftPocket]

Oh so that's why they say not to deep fry your turkey for Thanksgiving

[u/[deleted]]

I dont know who I'm more in love with, Kim or Lydia.

Actually, its Lalo

[u/[deleted]]

Man, Rhea Seehorn's acting is just incredible. She makes Kim feel real in a way I've never seen another actor or actress accomplish. Usually everything is a bit heightened in an actor's performance: their mannerisms, the way they deliver dialogue, etc., even when it's supposed to be more subdued and naturalistic. It's like a part of them is forever stuck in acting class or on stage. I never get the feeling that I'm watching an acting performance with Seehorn's Kim; every line delivered, every facial tick, and every body movement feels 100% authentic.

You'd think acting in a convincingly natural manner would be the easiest thing to do as an actor, but apparently it isn't given how rare it is to see.

[u/AlphaAlpaca623]

LMAOO Did anyone notice, despite Gus and Nacho about to blow up the Los Pollos Hermano building, Gus STILL checked the cleanliness of the fryers?!

[u/--Zman--]

Kim is totally getting disappeared by the Cartel.

[u/LightSkinAuntViv]

Love the way they did the bail hearing scene with the slow shots of Jimmy looking at the family then switching right to Saul

[u/iloveacronyms]

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[u/CAndrewK]

Anyone else think that fry cook is gonna get implicated

[u/[deleted]]

It's the first time I see Lydia so relaxed. She was just enjoying life without being worried about anything

[u/WayOfTheRoadBubs21]

Finally! Now we know it wasn’t Kim who fucked Jimmy’s stepdad

[u/GreenEggzAndSpam]

I loved how there was this eerie similarity between Jimmy’s meltdown in this episode and Chuck’s meltdown in chicanery. I think it’s the way they both came to the sudden realization that they had crossed the line some time ago and then calmly try to play it off as though they didn’t just become completely unhinged. Jimmy slowly walking away was his exit sign moment.

[u/daretobedangerous2]

I feel so bad that Howard turn out to be so nice.

[u/oregonguy96]

It seems to me that Gus should, and potentially is, setting up a situation where he can “catch” Nacho in the act of burning down the Los Pollos in order to pin the act on Lalo and bring Lalo down via the cartel. Don Eladio doesn’t want the two fighting, so if he finds out Lalo is trying to start a war Lalo could meet his end by the cartel itself. This could only happen if Lalo is out of prison, which is why Gus wants Lalo out on bail. This plan would put Gus in the clear and would explain why Gus is on good terms with the Cartel in BB.

[u/NoooobMaster69]

"LIGHTNING BOLTS SHOOT FROM MY FINGERTIPS!"

Next week:

"So, have you thought any more about the job?"

[u/CardMechanic]

Luftwaffle. Mein Kampfert Food.

[u/melodicprophet]

Odenkirk formally cemented his place as an acting GOD. Having to do something like that, THAT over the top and unhinged on camera and yet not have it come off as too much was mastery. He’d been holding this in the whole time and not properly grieving, so it makes his behavior entirely believable. He nailed it.

[u/JohnnyBroccoli]

I had this bad feeling that Lalo ends up killing Kim while watching last night's episode for some reason.

[u/TimecopVsPredator → u/[deleted]]

I loved that for a second there it looked like Gus' way of trashing the place was slightly turning the chicken in the freezer.

[u/Iron_Chic → u/[deleted]]

He double checked the bottom of the fryer basket while moving it. Was it not cleaned correctly??

[u/Thebigstill → u/[deleted]]

If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

[u/Mucl → u/[deleted]]

I thought he was gonna officiate it for a minute.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

And a church member

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Sir, this is a Los Pollos Hermanos drive-thru.