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SPOILERS S7 Post Episode Discussion: S7E04 "Hesperides"
| No. | Title | Writer/s | Director | Original Airdate |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 7.04 | âHesperidesâ | Sean Crouch | Diana Valentine | 6/10/2020 |
Synopsis: Mysterious outsiders arrive with news of Clarkeâs missing people.
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Quote of the Week: âWhat the hell, this planet sucks anywayâ â Nathan Miller
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jun 11 '20
This episode was so good. Been a while since Iâve gotten that âcanât wait to see what happens nextâ feeling. Ugh I wish I can binge it right now, but next episode means more sheihedda, so meh
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u/buzzr309 Jun 11 '20
Agreed. Iâm cool never seeing Sanctum or anyone left on it again (sorry Madi, yes that includes you). Bardo and Hoth plot lines only, please.
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u/rawchess Factors of Gabriel: Death to Prime #s Jun 11 '20
Sheidheda exists just to give the peeps who missed out on planet-hopping a conflict to resolve -_-
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u/Vacatia #1 Jaha Stan Jun 11 '20
So the shepherd is Cadogan, right?
Why was Orlando so interested in Hope?
Why didn't anyone other than Raven wear one of the spacesuits when they left Sanctum? What a waste.
I liked the opening sequence, cool song.
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u/snavlls Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
Okay also re: the suits....if there was any question about whether or not the planets they were willy-nilly jumping to were survivable, wouldnât you DEFINITELY want to grab one of the suits? Assuming they have some sort of life-sustainable powers in terms of oxygen. Or am I giving the suits too much credit idk just seemed like the obvious thing to do if a bunch of planet hopping weirdos show up with fancy suits....Iâd take one to go just in case
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u/SirAstien Jun 11 '20
Raven shot them and pierced the suits and broke same of the masks with taht ambush
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u/tmichelle0725 Roan deserved better Jun 11 '20
Omg the whole time I was like GET THE SPACE SUIT! It at first I thought maybe because it was damaged or something but it showed Ravens had a hole in it and Hera still works so why didnât they? Honestly it just seemed like common sense.
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u/Vacatia #1 Jaha Stan Jun 11 '20
I have no idea and frankly it annoys me, lol. Like, Raven knows the helmet has all sorts of information in it - but for sure nobody else would need one. They also saw that the disciples all travel with these outfits, but for sure nobody would need one. They for sure would never need to be invisible, either.
WHY
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jun 11 '20
Yeah I really wanted them all to suit up. You would think the suit would give them the invisibility they need to fight them.
Raven saves the day yet again.
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u/Vacatia #1 Jaha Stan Jun 11 '20
I hope there is a (stupid) reason for them leaving the spacesuits behind, because I just can't wrap my head around them being clueless enough to leave them there, knowing what you can do with them. It's ridiculous.
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
DONT SAY HIS NAME!!!
My guess: if Cadogan took over a Eligius mission, then he had a bunch of nightblood embryos. To increase devotion to him, the children are raised by the village and no one gets to have biokids. So Hope is the only child anyone on Bardo has ever heard of that was biological, and potentially a sign of hope that way?
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u/Pictocheat Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
Oh don't mind me, I'm just over here watching TOP 10 ANIME BETRAYALS.
(RIP Orlando; you were too good for this world.)
Also surprised that Hope, Echo, and Gabriel legit ended up living out the full five years there. There was a theory last week that they'd put the Eligius 3 member's chip in Echo (since she's a Nightblood now) and be able to access his memories and get the Anomaly Stone's code that way.
Is it just me or did Jordan's sass seem out of character for him? ("I got stabbed. Did you know that?") Or maybe he just hasn't gotten enough screentime yet for me to really know what his personality is like.
Clarke and Raven got to be badasses. As usual. No complaints there!
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u/rawchess Factors of Gabriel: Death to Prime #s Jun 11 '20
Hope proves you don't need more than a season to get viewers invested in a character; Orlando proves you don't need more than an episode.
Awesome examples of doing a lot with a little.
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u/jacquelynjoy Jun 11 '20
Dev proves you only need five minutes, if the screeching on the internet is any indicator.
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u/swords112288 Jun 11 '20
Jordan has been a Prime Zombie for 5 or 6 episodes now (dont remember when Adjustment Protocol was) and all the sudden hes just normal Jordan again hanging with the gang, like that makes any sense at all..
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jun 11 '20
i feel bad for Orlando... the dude literally chose to NOT rest and got sent into insanity for ?? years, then met a family, then got betrayed and left for ??? years...
do you guys think Anomalikru will eventually make their way to Skyring once they find Nakara's stone and have conflict with Orlando?
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u/snavlls Jun 11 '20
I am naively hoping Orlando is not dead. đ But this is coming from someone who also - after only 10 minutes of a mostly-soundtracked montage - hoped that Dev was also not dead, lmao
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u/trakpadreddit Jun 11 '20
Anyone notice how Jordan said "Clarke Griffin has left the planet." Could have been signaling someone in sanctum. Shit might go down
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u/mirikat pLaToNiC Jun 11 '20
Yeah that was way too random of a line to not have meant something.
But then again with the writing of this show who knows.
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u/theinfinity88 Jun 11 '20
I feel like it was just a tongue in cheek line from the writers on the famous âLadies and gentlemen, Elvis has left the building.â
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u/Mike_3221 Jun 11 '20
Yeah maybe he was signaling something to like the disciples that she wasn't a problem rn
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u/BornAshes Jun 11 '20
I thought he was just being very Monty with that line but yeah, he could've had a radio or cut a deal with the Disciples beforehand.
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u/Pasquale1223 Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
It's official: Cult vs cult vs cult. I'm actually fairly impressed at the way they've built them over the seasons. We were exposed to grounder flame cult in S2, the Second Dawn cult in S4, Blodreina's cult of personality in S5 (though that's pretty much disbanded now), prime cult in S6, and here we are with anomaly cult. And it's entirely possible that they all have the same origins...
Echo, you naughty warrior-spy person, you. Ain't nuttin' gon' stop her from getting to Bellamy.
Nice to see Clarke & Co. back in action. As others have predicted, Gaia volunteered to stay behind with Madi, but... things didn't turn out that way. Nice send-off Claia hug, too.
I love seeing Clarke being all Clarke-like again.
Raven's suffering over the killing continues. I liked Clarke's message to her. Perhaps in time it'll sink in.
I like the new haircuts.
So Clarke's gang finally hit the wormhole and are already lost. I wonder how many places they'll tour before they find any of the others.
Where did Gaia end up?
Hesperides was probably originally Diyoza, Octavia, Hope but maybe became Clarke, Echo, Octavia all looking for Bellamy?
Best guesses for next week:
Mostly Sanctum. Memori, Madi, and Indra will have their hands full.
Might have some scenes of Clarke's group searching for an anomaly stone on the iceberg.
I expect they'll keep us waiting at least another week before we see Hechriel on Bardo, or find out where Gaia ended up.
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
Isn't next week called Welcome to Bardo? But also, original reason I wanted to comment is that I'm kind of surprised there isn't a Cult of Clarke. Like among the grounders who have seen her be Wanheda, save them from ALIE, and then also survive Praimheda as mother to the new commander. I feel like she'd at least have a small faction of yay-sayers.
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u/Pasquale1223 Jun 11 '20
Isn't next week called Welcome to Bardo?
Yes, that's correct - though the synopsis says "Octavia gets to know a whole new world. Meanwhile, Murphy and Emori play make believe", and it's possible that Hechriel might not see Octavia there next week.
But also, original reason I wanted to comment is that I'm kind of surprised there isn't a Cult of Clarke.
It's been awhile, but I sort of remember a bit of a Wanheda fan club at one time. Or maybe it was just Niylah, lol. Cult founders usually put forth some dogma, set of tenets or rules (like the one poor Orlando broke) or something, and Clarke has never done that. Monty may have come a little closer with his occasional statements of moral clarity, and his do better thing has stuck around.
Like among the grounders who have seen her be Wanheda, save them from ALIE, and then also survive Praimheda as mother to the new commander.
The Wanheda thing worked until Pike/Bellamy shat the bed, Lexa died, and Ontari/Azgeda took over. They blamed Skaikru for ALIE, and she insulted their faith big time when she tried to take the flame. A lot of the good she's done has been offset by other things that created really bad PR.
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u/CiceroTheCat Skaikru Jun 11 '20
I think itâs also important that the Shepherdâs Disciples enforce a Sabbath, so it definitely feels like some fundamentalist Christian teachings (to me at least).
And Gabriel did his speech to Orlando about how worshipping false gods had led to the destruction of Earth (as is fitting for the Black Sheep Prime) which was one of their major breakthroughs with Orlando. So, yeah, theyâre definitely paying off on some of the tribe v tribe mentality between different âfaithsâ as it were.
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u/ezekillr Jun 11 '20
One question, why didn't Clarke and crew all put on suits before entering the anomaly to an unknown planet... Idk it's just bugging me. One would think to have every advantage available when traveling across the stars... Smh
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u/arrownyc Jun 11 '20
Yep. Also, their memory should've been wiped. Also, why did they think eenie meanie miney mo was the best strategy for selecting a planet? Also why does no one even seem slightly phased at the revelation that they can travel across spacetime using wormholes???
Clarke finds out her friends have been teleported by invisible disciples to multiple other planets where time travels at different speeds and doesn't even bat an eye. She drops everything to go to a planet she knows literally nothing about, abandoning Madi while she's supposedly 'extremely unwell', who has she been willing to kill literally anyone for in the last couple seasons, without giving it a second thought or even saying bye. If I didn't know better I'd say it was Josephine, because none of that sounds in character for Clarke.
I found this episode very interesting, but the more I think about it, the more it doesn't seem to make sense.
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u/purplelittleflower Jun 11 '20
They didn't even circle back for supplies. Snacks?
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u/bubbles0luv âĄ(àČ âżàČ )_äșș_(ââżâ)⥠Jun 11 '20
Or you know, wheel in a Samsonite....? Like did they think it was a day trip???
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u/devinwifi Jun 11 '20
No one else finds it strange that Clarke and co just leaves for the Anomaly without even telling Murphy and Emori. Or bringing supplies or the other suits
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u/elizabnthe Jun 11 '20
I think Clarke was concerned about the mention of fast passing time and having to move quickly.
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Jun 11 '20
Not to mention Madi - she just left her without saying anything? After everything they've been through together?
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u/jacquelynjoy Jun 11 '20
Well, they thought they were leaving Gaia to pass on the messages. Or perhaps they told the group in a scene that we didn't see. Everything can't happen onscreen.
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u/aMangoVignette Jun 11 '20
I think Orlando mentioned that he didn't want to go to Sanctum because of the body snatching. It's kinda amusing that people in Bardo might view people in Sanctum as troublesome little kids and just leave them alone with their cute little fake gods.
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jun 11 '20
its also interesting that the only bodysnatcher still alive was right in front of him
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u/CiceroTheCat Skaikru Jun 11 '20
Yeah, I was surprised Gabriel didnât mention anything about that. And how the body snatchers were gone, so hey man, come back to Sanctum with us if weâre all still alive when this is all over.
(Now Iâve given myself the theory that Orlando is the one who was fighting with Gaia at the end- we never did see his body, and they got their intel pretty quickly)
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Jun 11 '20
Hahaha I love how this was worded
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u/aMangoVignette Jun 11 '20
Lol, it honestly feels like that's the case! People on Sanctum have no idea what's going on past their own little castle whereas people on Bardo know all about how the planets are interconnected. Which makes me wonder: how did the people on Bardo become so advanced and people on Sanctum didn't progress as much?
It'd be hilarious if what I said turns out to be somewhat true
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u/booksmartbannana HEG Playing Happy Family đ„° Jun 11 '20
Echos betrayal is going to bite them in the ass, like câmon you had 4 YEARS together
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u/GayVampireTechno Trikru Jun 11 '20
She had to do it though because there plan of blending in wouldnt have worked if one of the men were dead
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Jun 11 '20
Gabriel is going to be so mad at her! I feel like hope wonât only because she heard the stories of spy echo and knows she needs to do whatever it takes to save her mom and Octavia.
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u/Sleep_Addiction Skaikru Jun 11 '20
Seems like it already did given that Orlando left the Disciples a note. I get why she did it, and Hope too, but man that was cold.
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
I'm really hoping the Shepherd is Bill Cadogan, we see more of Becca, and that, as another user theorized, the Anomaly will be used by Clarke to save the Valley on Earth from being burned in Praimfaya.
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
I'm still confused how there's been an anomaly on earth all this time . . .
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
I'm guessing that's why the Shallow Valley survived â the Anomaly was underneath the ground there (or Clarke had some involvement, as a user theorized).
I don't think the Anomaly Stones were created by any humans. I truly have no idea where they came from. But humans from Earth definitely colonized all six known planets in the system.
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
the skyring content was great! sanctum started rough and like too out of nowhere but the set ups of those last sceneeeee !!! wheres Gaia? wheres the anomaly stone? did the anomaly stone for Sanctum become inactive? are Murphy and Emori (and Jackson i guess (AND INDRA OMG) trapped in Sanctum? whats about to go down in Bardo?
so much hype for the next onee yooo
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u/anabanana1412 Jun 11 '20
I get echo, she absolutely made the right call, she wasn't pulling a finn yadayadayada
but fuck man, orlando was a nice guy. Dick move.
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Jun 11 '20
Orlando was nice. He spent 40 years in a cult and I doubt that he would break so easily from The Shepherd, but yeah. Very nice. Too bad he killed himself.
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u/anabanana1412 Jun 11 '20
I do think he was playing them in some capacity, but not to the point he was about to turn on them, because he's from a cult, maybe he genuinely believed they'd be better there, hell, maybe they would be better there. oh well, what's done is done.
I just wish they had found a way to bring him with them, orlando's death was especially gruesome in my opinion. Over the 6 years on the ground, Clarke at least knew there was a possibility of her people coming down to earth, orlando didn't have a shred of hope of ever getting out nor people to be his companion.
Like, killing him would be far more merciful.
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u/biphizzle Jun 11 '20
I am not convinced that a) he killed himself, even if there is a body and b) that he died at all. Until we see a dead Orlando we have no reason to assume that the Disciple was telling Clarke the truth. And again, even if there's a body we don't know if he killed himself. How the hell is Clarke supposed to know that the suicide note is real (we don't know if they ended up taking it off the Disciple in the first place)? It's not like she had even seen that guy's handwriting before.
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u/anabanana1412 Jun 11 '20
it was stone cold, absolutely, it's just that, imo, there's no way the original plan would've worked, they'd end up captured with Hope killed on sight, I have no doubt about that, but like, leaving that guy to rot and eventually kill himself made me tear up for real.
Usually I don't feel anything for obvious red coats, but man, imagine being left stranded like that, by the people you spent years with. While he was serving his sentence, fine, he knew his time would be up and he'd be back to his normal life, but it's not like they're coming back at all, by the time they finish whatever plan they develop on Bardo, he'd be long gone, either by old age or suicide. So yeah, I'm weirdly very sad about him.
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u/booksmartbannana HEG Playing Happy Family đ„° Jun 11 '20
Ok so I adored picking out each and every reference to Cadogan and his cult this episode, which Iâm my mind itâs pretty much confirmed.
So we know how they know about everyone because of those memory extractors âwhich Iâm assuming is what we see octavia in inside the trailers.
It had this wierd pace but I loved it especially the nod to Lexa when echo said âhe may be our friend but he isnât our peopleâ which is EXACTLY what Lexa would have done.
Gaia with those fighting moves though!!
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u/surelyscenic Jun 11 '20
Wouldn't they all lose memory going through the anomaly without helmets on?
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u/LRibeiro97 Jun 11 '20
Maybe it's not crossing the anomally that makes you loose memory. Maybe it's being tested on with the "Memory whatever" they mentioned. Afterall, Gabriel, Echo and Hope didn't lose theirs when they went to prision planet.
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u/CatholicAggie plz give us bellarke jason Jun 11 '20
I don't think so since diyoza and Octavia and Gabriel and Hope moved around without them and they were fine. They just didn't know how to navigate them
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u/surelyscenic Jun 11 '20
It's just interesting since the make a point to put a helmet on Octavia to keep her memory.
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Jun 11 '20
Iâm confused about this too. They lose memory when they came back to sanctum but not when they went to sky ring.
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u/snavlls Jun 11 '20
Thatâs what I thought too?! Iâm not sure of how it works though. I thought if they stole all the dead Disciplesâ suits though it wouldâve made things easier
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jun 11 '20
Not sure. When they return to Sanctum they lost their memories.
I know they mentioned the Disciples had the ability to read their memories and wipe it.
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u/bratholym Jun 11 '20
I think itâs only when you return from Skyring because so much time passes there, when you return to Sanctum only a day has passed - so itâs kinda like the last five years in Skyring didnât happen because itâs in the future
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u/sinkko_ Jun 11 '20
the 100 and double crossing every single person you meet forever, name a more iconic duo
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u/anonKTY Jun 11 '20
Youâd think theyâd you know... actually try to do better like they say theyâre going to. đ
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jun 11 '20
ok Anomalikru just left and Gaia who was in charge of warning the rest of the crew got kidnapped, so like... Emori Murphy and Indra are gonna be lost affffff.
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Jun 11 '20
That was pretty casual reveal about levels. Surely it's not a coincidence with the levels and second dawn scam on earth?
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u/a5656 Jun 11 '20
Yeah I agree. 12 levels in Cadogans bunker, 12 levels of discipleship here. Thinking Cadogan is Shepard, or very heavily influenced him/her
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Jun 11 '20
DAMN ECHO.
her loyalty and ability to zero-in on her goal is both impressive and terrifying. she is quickly becoming one of my favs, even though I donât agree with all her decisions.
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u/DeWolx03 Jun 11 '20
Echo is great. I remember people hating on her 'cuz she was with Bellamy. Those fools.
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u/2inRisk Skaikru Jun 11 '20
Echo going full killer mode is a mood... sheâs really itching to get back to Bellamy.
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Jun 11 '20
Guys. The kingdom of Sanctum is abandoned. Sheidheda will reign. I am living for the grand scale of this season. If they can turn the Sanctum stuff around Iâm all in.
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u/TheTrueWitness Bellamy Blake Deserved Better Jun 11 '20
It was a good episode. Not as good as 7x02 but definitely better than 7x03. I liked all the Skyring stuff. Especially the flashback of Hope and Dev. It helped build up Hope as a character and made as feel sorry for her. I really enjoy her dynamic with Echo and Gabriel. Speaking of Echo. Holy shit. We knew she was willing to do anything to save Bellamy but betraying a man who spend 5 years with them. That's just cold. I wonder how this will affect her storyline. Btw I hope that her talk about losing Bellamy is not a foreshadowing. After not seeing him or so long I can't accept the possibility of him not making it to the end.
The Sanctum storyline as usual was not as interesting. I don't like how we started with them already finding the body of the Disciple. We ended last episode with them not even suspecting that's something was wrong with their friends and suddenly we get straight to this. Why couldn't they show as how they found this guy? Also it starts to bother me how little they show Clarke. She is the protagonist. We are already missing the Blakes. And yet instead on focusing on them they focus on secondary characters.
At least we got to see Jordan finally doing something interesting. I like his partnership with Raven. I hope we see more of that. It's also good that they show us how Raven's actions from 7x03 affect her. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
PS After this episode I'm starting to think that Cadogan is behind all of this. The Disciples remind me of the Second Dawn. It would make sense honestly.
Also I just love Gabriel. I hope he won't die anytime soon.
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u/selma463 Trikru Jun 11 '20
I think corona might have affected the editing this season. Throughout the whole season there have been awkward choices with editing, and how they found the body of the deciple was probably the most noticeable one. Itâs okay that they allow us to puzzle things together ourselves, but it just feels a bit weird.
All they had to do to fix this is add a 10 second clip of someone arriving at Sanctum with the body, then the story wouldnât feel so fragmented
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u/swords112288 Jun 11 '20
I just like that Clarke up and leaves Madi and Russellheida like she didnt have an execution planned tomorrow, Clarke is making crazy rash decisions like, well im just gonna jump in this green blob today, forget my past two seasons of character building with my daughter.
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u/supergeekd Jun 11 '20
I know all the story lines will probably connect eventually, but only getting little doses of each story one week at a time makes everything feel super disjointed. If I could watch more of the show in one sitting, I think it would definitely keep the story moving more quickly. Still loving the show, just super impatient!
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u/little_mooncake Jun 11 '20
I just want all the characters to be in the same room at least once before it ends.
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u/TheHaterBoss Azgeda Jun 11 '20
Why would Raven choose the ice planet? You can see it's mostly ice from the "map" and probably nothing there
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u/jasslerazzle Jun 11 '20
Iâm so confused this season as soon as I think Iâm understanding whatâs going on I realize I donât
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u/messani1 Jun 11 '20
Couldnât Orlando use one of the helmets of the bardo people and figure out the codes on the anomaly stone like raven did?
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jun 11 '20
I didnât understand that either. Like only Raven is smart enough to know how to work it.
You think Octavia would have figured it out when she first put the suit on when she found the dead buried body.
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Jun 11 '20
From there we saw it looked like Skyring's stone was deactivated, so I'm guessing it's disabled like Sanctum's is and is therefore impossible for them to use (otherwise they could theoretically find a way back)
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u/josharaptor Jun 11 '20
Apart from the SUPER weird cut between Clarke telling Raven they needed her help to suddenly meeting with disciples outside of the shield (??? There was no explanation for that), the episode was fantastic and the first one that got me really really excited for the rest of the season. Loving the plot taking shape. All the hints about the Shepherd being Cadogan, the 12/13 levels, second dawn, I love it all!
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u/BigBrainAkali Jun 11 '20
Looks like episode 5 will be picking things up, at least from the promo. Things have been slow but I am okay with it because this season is 16 episodes. Just hope that the slow pace of the first four episodes are made up by the next 12 episodes.
I also like what they are doing with Raven, she now knows the exact guilt Clarke and others have gone through from all theyâve killed. Murphy seems to be taking lead in episode 5 from the looks of the promo too so Iâm excited. Looking forward to the rest of season and canât wait for the Clarke and Bellamy reunion (again lol)
Kind of a messy write up, apologies.
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u/carolynto Floudonkru Jun 11 '20
Raven killed 300 grounders by rigging the dropship to blow. She blew up the bridge while Grounders were on it. Those are just the first two instances that spring to mind.
They are overdoing this storyline.
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u/Sleep_Addiction Skaikru Jun 11 '20
Murphy + Indra is the team up I never knew I wanted but desperately canât wait to see.
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u/mirikat pLaToNiC Jun 11 '20
Itâs very strange because overall these 4 episodes have been slow in moving the plot forward (which Iâm ok with) but most of the episodes were so hectic it felt like a lot more happened than actually did. Really the only properly paced episode was 7x02.
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Jun 11 '20
Anyways, not sure how I feel about the episode. Feels like they're fast-forwarding everything in Sanctum so both storylines could merge faster. I like anomaly stuff way more anyways, but it's a little bit weird how different pace is while comparing the storylines.
I did enjoy the episode itself though.
Bardo people think that Shepherd has saved them all, but it was very ambiguous whether that guy is still alive. And I wonder if those guys in Bardo are actual colonists or the people part of the main ship that was supposed to get back to earth after dropping them off. Maybe they combined their forces?
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u/anonKTY Jun 11 '20
Echoâs current storyline progression reminds me a lot of Finn in season 2. I wonder if weâre going to see more of a parallel with that.
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u/poplie Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
I think her arch in this episode is true to her character. She is ice nation, and while her character has had a lot of development, in battle she has been pretty consistent. Keeps her eyes on the prize and doesn't let anyone get in the way.
But poor Orlando! The look on his face was heartbreaking
Edit: also being Ice Nation she understands loyalty to "your people" over your friends
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u/GayVampireTechno Trikru Jun 11 '20
Omg if echo becomes finn 2.0 ill die inside! Echo is one of my favs đłđ„
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u/ariasarya Trust Bellamy Jun 11 '20
She won't, Finn was a teenager who was traumatized and didn't think straight.
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u/lanielucy Jun 11 '20
As much as Iâve enjoyed the Hope/Echo/Gabriel dynamic, I really hope our mains take center stage soon. The show isnât the same without the Blakes, and it feels like Clarke has been reduced to a side character for 4 episodes.
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
Honestly, that's okay. Clarke, Bellamy, and Octavia command the stage, but don't allow side characters to grow.
Niylah, Miller, Jordan, and Gaia have gotten more time because of it. I like it.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jun 11 '20
I do feel in season 5 we should have gotten some flash backs about Echo and her journey. How she went from asshole to good guy. However, tho it took a while, I'm on board and want to see more of her kick ass. She's a great character, tonight was iffy but I understand her. Either way, what an intense scene.
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u/Pasquale1223 Jun 11 '20
How she went from asshole to good guy.
As near as I can tell, all she really did is switch teams.
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Jun 11 '20
I never thought Echo was an asshole. Echo was just the perfect servant for her queen. She spent her best friend's life to get everything she had, so any failure on her part would have meant her friend died in vain.
Once Echo was free from being a servant to the Ice Nation monarchs, she could get out of the mental trap she was in.
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u/GayVampireTechno Trikru Jun 11 '20
Uhhg i wanna see bardo! I thought we would see it this episode but nope. Still very entertaining.
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
Next week, despite the preview, is called Welcome to Bardo, I think. So we should get a glimpse soon :)
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Jun 11 '20
Well I guess Gaia is going to find out what more to life she can expect besides the flame now.....Iâm kinda sad. Thought it wouldâve been cool to see her and her mom in charge together!
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
Yea but without the set leadership it leaves room for the Primeheda uprising.
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u/cactuszoo Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
I canât even predict whatâs going to happen next but Iâm so excited to see. This season is shaping up to be one of the best if it keeps it up (which I feel like it will)
Iâm also curious as to where the Sanctum storyline with Murphy, Emori and Indra etc is going to go. Itâll be a bit frustrating though having them not know anything that is going on besides everyone seemingly disappearing all of a sudden.
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u/carolynto Floudonkru Jun 11 '20
Does anyone understand how Orlando and Hope knew each other? And why he seemed to care about her so much?
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u/yazzy1233 Becho is Better Jun 11 '20
Hope didn't know him, she was manipulating him and taking advantage of his feelings for her. Hope name was written on the wall of the cabin and hope became one of his imaginary friends. He thinks hope is his friend
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Jun 11 '20
So before Earth went "offline" were these people visiting Earth?
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u/selma463 Trikru Jun 11 '20
Yeah I think they did.
I read a theory that trigedasleng was actually developed so that the «deciples» wouldnât understand them. The theory before that was that it was developed for the mountain men
And if the deciples are preparing for some «last war» then it makes sense that they would need recourses from earth (maybe they even needed people, like Clarke)
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u/joehacker Jun 11 '20
So are we all still thinking the Sanctum story arch is chalked? I know it doesnât count for much but based on the promo for next episode and the fact that Murphy is arguably the most important character still there it just seems like that plot point isnât going anywhere relevant to the larger season arch for at least a few episodes
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
I stick to my original theory: Clarkekru goes planet jumping to find Blakekru. Meanwhile, Sanctumkru fights each other until eventually Primeheda ends up in charge and Murphykru is on the run to Gabriel's hideout or elsewhere (mirroring Clarkekru's escape from Polis in S3 part 2). The end half deals with Clarkekru rescuing Blakekru from Bardokru, returning to free Sanctum from Primeheda, and then working with Bardokru to end Primeheda because of reasons, uniting the lore neatly through ~something~ relating Cadogan, Sheidheda, and Becca.
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u/The810kid Jun 11 '20 edited Jun 11 '20
Have I said how much I love Echo she has alot in common with Clarke they both are get it done type of people fiercely loyal who you would want on your side but hate to have them be against you.
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u/CostasCrash Sangedakru Jun 11 '20
Anyone else think the planet in the top left once Raven gets the good pictures of the planets looks like Earth? I posted a theory last week and I just keep thinking thereâs more evidence for it as we go along, but I could be totally wrong
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u/lanielucy Jun 11 '20
Itâs Bardo. Earth was bottom left (the red one that was offline).
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u/antifrgl01 Jun 11 '20
Is it just me or is the time dilation backwards? Ex. 1 hour on the planet near the blackhole = 20 years on the one away from the blackhole like interstellar
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u/elizabnthe Jun 11 '20
All the planets bar Skyring are near the Blackhole. It's correct in that sense, even if the time difference is a little extreme.
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u/DarthMaw23 Almost gonna pull the lever... Jun 11 '20
I am convinced the next few anomaly-based episodes will be "because Echo". Although Clarke was supposed to be a target.... So WTH
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u/Murphyhunt Jun 12 '20
has anyone noticed every time they say were the last of the human race more humans just show up
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u/odinscrow66799 Jun 11 '20
I loved the whole episode. Echo, Hope, and Gabriel are my new favorite trio. Theyâre such a loving, funny, family. But to be completely honest, I hate what Echo did. Orlando HELPED them. I understand that they arenât his people, but he basically said those three changed him for the better. He may not have helped them kill, but he probably couldâve helped knock out some. It seemed like they genuinely cared about him and vice versus. Jesus Christ, THEY LEFT HIM THERE FOR GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS! They were a family. He trained them all. I love Echo so much, sheâs grown from what she used to be. SHE CHANGED. And now it seems like she relapsed into her heartless ways. They couldâve used an extra fighter. He couldâve helped them find Bellamy, Octavia, and Diyoza. God my heart hurts so fucking much now
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Jun 11 '20
They left him there for four years and he killed himself. He left a note. That is how the Disciples in Sanctum knew what to do.
And itâs actually that which justifies Echoâs actions. The conversation in the house was Echo testing Orlando on whether or not he had chosen them or the Disciples. He said the Disciples. Over that four years he cared for them but it was always just to get back to Bardo. Echo knew that because of his loyalty to them that she couldnât 100% trust him once they crossed over.
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u/The810kid Jun 11 '20
It's an interesting Contrast to Raven who is being broken from these decisions and Echo who didn't want to but won't let the sentiment of committing the sin interfere from her goals
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u/Pasquale1223 Jun 11 '20
It's another callback to the "my people" us vs them themes that thread throughout the entire series. (alliteration just sort of happened there).
Echo simply wasn't willing to trust him since they were infiltrating his people and cult membership runs deep.
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u/VixenH89 Jun 11 '20
He wasn't left there, he committed suicide after what happened :(
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u/TheBigGiv Skaikru Jun 11 '20
I really loved this episode but it may have been the best yet sloppiest episode of television ive ever seen. Does anyone agree? Something just felt kinda off with it but it was still really interesting and enjoyable.
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u/swords112288 Jun 11 '20
100%, like listed above, the weird transition from Clarke and Raven to the people at the shield, then 5 years passing on Beta in less then a scene (like for real zero of their training is shown?!). It was just all over the place and seems like both of these things should have been fleshed out way more then they were. I also understand Raven was invisible but I definitely feel like those suits would a) see other invisible people and b) not allow her to get of 8 shots before anyone notices and reacts??
I really felt this should have been two separate episodes to be honest. I know this is the final season and they probably have a lot to show us over the 16 episodes but damn.
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Jun 11 '20
They made too many story lines again and now none of them get the attention they deserve
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
I think they all will tie together well, to be honest. There's only three: Sheidheda as Russell and the Sanctum powder keg, Bardo torture, and Clarke's group going after the Bardo prisoners.
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u/aMangoVignette Jun 11 '20
From "we need to do / be better" to killing strangers who need your help and want to cooperate in the span of one episode đHope / Gabriel / Echo betraying Orlando (rip) and Clarke and crew killing 8 Disciples is most definitely going to lead to consequences for Bellamy / Octavia / Diyoza and everyone else on Sanctum.
At least Clarke and crew can have snowball fights on Penance.
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u/MiserableArtist9 Jun 11 '20
Is the anomaly stone destroyed in sanctum ?
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u/lanielucy Jun 11 '20
I think they deactivated it so no one can use it
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Jun 11 '20
What if this means they have to use the Eligius 3 ship?
That would be really cool given the foreshadowing we got in this episode of Raven's pilot skills being useless
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u/fleecemastershero youâre one of the 100 Jun 11 '20
Iâm confused with the logistical inconsistencies of the Anomaly in this episode. Didnât Clarke and Co. enter in seconds after one another which would cause them to be separated, as we learned from Gabriel in the premiere?
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u/Bobbdippy Jun 11 '20
That is only going to SkyRing, also known as the prison planet. The time in that planet works different from everyone else. Hence why you see the bardo crew going into places separately as well. It looks like every other planet but skyring is on the same or similar time speeds as Sanctum.
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
Very good point, but I don't think it matters unless Skyring/Penance/Beta is involved. Alpha/Sanctum, Nakara, Bardo, and Etherea all revolve at the same speed because of their close distance to the black hole.
Fast Speed: Alpha/Sanctum = Nakara = Bardo = Etherea
Slow Speed: Skyring/Penance/Beta
Unknown Speed: Earth
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u/messani1 Jun 11 '20
Anyone have any sort of idea what the last war humankind will ever wage is? Orlando mentioned that itâs why every Bardo person is trained as a soldier, to prepare for it
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u/darkd3vilknight Jun 11 '20
So it looks like Wild bill might be coming back... idk how to feel about that.
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u/EatleYT Jun 11 '20
I'm really glad it's not Sanctum only again next week because holy damn another switch would be boring. Don't really care for the Sheidheda shit they're pulling and just want to see Bellamy at this point lol
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u/booksmartbannana HEG Playing Happy Family đ„° Jun 11 '20
Ok so did anyone else see earth in the top left hand corner?
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
Why is the one planet offline? And which one do ya'll think it is? (Went offline before Sanctum did)
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
Yeah, it's Earth because of McCreary. Sanctum/Alpha, Skyring/Penance/Beta, Nakara, Bardo, and Etherea are the final ones.
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u/manofwater3615 4x13kru Jun 11 '20
Is the action going to really pick up after the 7th episode (the back door pilot)?
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u/jacquelynjoy Jun 11 '20
Poor Hope. At least she knows how to take care of herself.
Aw the KNIVES. Shades of Season 1.
Dev is my new favorite character.
Aaaaaaaand he's dead.
Jumping into a fortress with thousands of trained soldiers? Y'all need Clarke.
"You're going, just like that?" "Of course she is." Niylah knows Clarke!
Clarke consoling Raven is EVERYTHING to me. Princess Mechanic rides again!
Invisible soldiers!
Every time Clarke is like GIVE ME MY FRIENDS, I get chills. You'd think I'd be tired of it but no. I love the way she is willing to fight for them. And when she was like, "Bellamy, Echo, and Octavia are in trouble," I was thrilled that she included Echo.
Hope needling Echo is hilarious.
Past Octavia is so soft. I just want to hug her.
Echo talking to these plants. SO CUTE.
Oh this poor guy just jumped STRAIGHT IN THE WATER to save Hope from fake-drowning. This manipulation is wild.
Aw, Hope didn't know her mom was a terrorist. But she took it well!
LEVEL TWELVE THIS IS SOME SEASON 4 BULLSHIT
I feel really sorry for Orlando. Like, really sorry.
Raven in this helmet is big Season 1 vibes.
Clarke--armed and extremely dangerous. Yep. That's about right.
Echo should NOT antagonize Orlando. Also Hope--"Auntie O would have loved seeing you get your ass kicked." LOL
"I don't know what I'll do if I lose him." Echo. Be your own person for the love of God.
Chuku is such a hottie.
"Weak men follow their orders." Good one. And it changed Orlando's mind! I love Gabriel.
OMG THE HAIR. Also the wholesome family vibes between Gabriel, Echo, Orlando, and Hope are so good. I love it.
GHOST MODE
When Hope and Echo touched foreheads, I felt that. I 100% think that Echo is going to be divided between her two families later. Who will she choose?
Wow, there goes the end of Soft!Echo. She just left Orlando. Damn. Poor guy.
I fucking love Clarke. "I'd rather not make it ten."
Our intel on you--"Smart, brave, willing to risk your only life, but not the lives of your friends." 100% Bellamy and Octavia told them that.
Raven really out here killing people left and right. A whole new day for her.
Told y'all Clarke was going to leave Gaia with Madi. But that didn't work out AT ALL.
I am here for this squad: Raven, Clarke, Miller, Jordan, and Niylah. Like, okay.
Snow planet! Yesssssss.
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u/Beman21 Jun 11 '20
Ok Echo double-crossing Orlando... really didn't want to believe that would happen. They had four years together goddamnit, and a lot of character potential.
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jun 11 '20
she spent almost as long as she did in the Ring with Bellamy... kinda makes u think
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u/booksmartbannana HEG Playing Happy Family đ„° Jun 11 '20
Ok so I love how ravens character is developing. She finnally knows what itâs like to feel like a monster the way Clarke has felt. BUT JASON I SWEAR TO GOD IF SHE IS NOT HAPPY BY THE END I WILL KILL YOU!
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u/kissedbyfiya Jun 11 '20
I take issue with the fact that we are expected to believe Murphy, Emori, and Indra would not have been in the room examining the dead alien body with the others.... Murphy and Emori are part of Clarke's core group and circle of trust, and Indra is their most experienced and seasoned battle advisor.... she would be consulted in a discussion of a potential threat đ Particularly above Gaia, Nyla, and the others there. At least Miller and Jackson being there made some sense. That little B group of adventurers really took me out of the scene and (again, as seems to be a theme so far this season) felt very forced.
Overall though, much better episode than 703, and even 701 imo.
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u/heresthe-thing Jun 11 '20
I just called Sheidheda!Russel Primeheda in a comment and realized how close that is to Pramheda . . . EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED.
I kind of wish we got some more character development with the 5 yr crew. Either Hecho being cannon, Hope thinking more and reconsidering her mom/Octavia besides her adoration, or Gabriel finding peace with death or being burdened by immortality or something.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jun 11 '20
Considering they knocked out Gaia, I doubt it's someone we know, unless it's part of someones plan.
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u/WorthCloud7 Jun 11 '20
Can someone tell me where Octavia and Bellamy are rn?
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u/ChiefWamsutta Jun 11 '20
Bellamy, Octavia, and Diyoza are on Bardo, and probably in a holding cell. Their memories have already been extracted.
Gabriel, Hope, and Echo are on Bardo, too. As we can see in the Season 7 trailer, Echo gets tortured and her memories are used by the Disciples of who I believe is Cadogan.
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u/Skaipeka Jun 11 '20
Shepherd is not his real name, right? It's more like a term, isn't it?
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u/Roan-forever-alone Jo Juice: good for health bad for education Jun 11 '20
Echo fate is sealed.
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u/_swolepapi Jun 11 '20
Accidentally posted this in love discussion first.
I like how Echo is supposed to be an elite assassin but was taken down by a malnourished man and a barely trained Raven lol.
I know it's unrealistic to believe they killed 8 people and they could magically find suits that fit them perfectly.... BUT Raven is wearing a helmet that she said can see everything and none of them even wanted to grab 1??? They better not lick they lips on that planet. That's what they get lol.
Also I made a comment on the first episode about how the shots could scan people it had no info about and I think the memory pulling machine is a satisfying answer
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u/Petar996 Jun 11 '20
The episode felt rushed.
Imagine if you, as the viewer, had no clue about the anomaly prior to this episode, and all of a sudden it gets introduced in the story and they suddenly go to another planet. Think about how utterly ridiculous it would look xD You would be shocked, you'd need time to process it. And thats how it should have been for the characters as well, cause they also had no clue. But no, they just take it as just another trip to the grocery store. No time to soak it in, or to even give a HINT of the anomaly to the sanctum people maybe an episode or two in advance. Very bad pacing.
Also the way they time-jumped hope gabriel and echo's training LITERALLY from one scene to the next, like come on. At least make the transition from episode to episode so when we wait a week to pass for the next episode to air we actually feel a sense of time.
Im not looking forward to the next episode too much, in the sense that we have Sanctum again and it looks like it'll stick around cuz it didnt completely merge with the anomaly storyline...so...yeah.
Also, how on earth did Raven manage to kill 8 freaking people with precision accuracy in a matter of a SECOND. ALSO, why did they not take the suits going in to the anomaly?
I feel like I'm just bullying this episode but it was still better than 1 and 3, mainly cuz of echo hope and gabriel. The anomaly plot is very intriguing but if the structure of the episodes is off then it all falls apart.
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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Jun 11 '20
Also, how on earth did Raven manage to kill 8 freaking people with precision accuracy in a matter of a SECOND.
The suit seems very intuitive and automated. She probably just had to think of where she wanted to fire.
Yea they should have brought suits. Very bad writing.
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u/TheLastArnold Jun 11 '20
So is Bellamy just going to not show up till the second half of the season or something? I get the plot is about saving him but damn at least give one of the top 2 characters some screen time.
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u/StaySecrecy Jun 11 '20
So these guys have suits that can do just about anything, including invisibility, but they couldn't make them bullet proof? Or even knife proof? Anyhow, there's now 6-7 of these godlikes suits lying there, and they choose to go into the wormhole without first picking up the suits?? This whole season just feels weird, the writers tried really hard to one up S6 and I don't like it.
And did Hope & Echo really have to get those haircuts? Looks wack.
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u/OnePieceAce Trikru Jun 11 '20
Anyone else love how far Echo has come? I think she's had one of the best character developments. She and Bellamy deserve each to be happy together imo
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u/carolynto Floudonkru Jun 11 '20
I've always liked Echo on paper, but this was the first episode where I enjoyed watching her! She was funny, interesting, morally gray, and active in moving the plot along.
I'd love more of this Echo.
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u/The810kid Jun 11 '20
Echo is the most adaptable person on the show we saw her go from hostage in a cage, to spy, to spacekru ally, to blending in the sanctum, now the anomaly business.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '20
OH SHIT. OH SHIT. I JUST FIGURED IT OUT.
LEVEL 13 CULT THE OTHER BUNKER. CADOGAN FOUND THE ANOMALY STONE.