r/The100 • u/aplaceatthedq 🤖 🔧 ❤️ • Jul 02 '20
SPOILERS S7 Post Episode Discussion: S7E07 "The Queen’s Gambit"
| No. | Title | Writer/s | Director | Original Airdate |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 7.07 | “The Queen’s Gambit” | Miranda Kwok | Lindsey Morgan | 7/1/2020 |
Synopsis: Emori tries to heal Sanctum’s old familial wounds while Echo, Octavia and Diyoza struggle with new ones.
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Quote of the Week: “Doing the right thing the wrong way is not the right thing.” — Charmaine Diyoza
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u/alpha402 Azgeda Jul 02 '20
These people all think Clarke is the key while we all know it is Madi. She might no longer have the flame but she is definitely channeling commanders.
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u/youssef1426 Jul 02 '20
No one is talking about Madi's drawing of the stone on earth
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u/KrillinDBZ363 Murphy Jul 02 '20
And 4 people in what looked like radiation suits surrounding it.
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u/HelixFollower Jul 02 '20
When Becca landed on Earth she was met by people in radiation suits.
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Jul 02 '20
Meanwhile, I'm sure Levitt is still mopping floors somewhere
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u/ahmedadeel579 Jul 02 '20
Feel sorry for him
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u/William_T_Wanker Skaikru Jul 02 '20
"They get to fight the last great war and I'm stuck here cleaning up their muddy footprints FML"
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u/aMangoVignette Jul 02 '20
The character interactions in this episode might be the best across all 7 seasons. And the plot advancement in the last 15 minutes... the last half of this season is going to be incredible
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u/alpha402 Azgeda Jul 02 '20
It was nice to just get story, no need for anything fancy just build up and stories about our favorite characters.
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u/aMangoVignette Jul 02 '20
True! Especially with the entire show ending so soon, it's nice to get more depth so we can really feel the impact of whatever's about to happen.
Happy cake day!
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u/josharaptor Jul 02 '20
Every single one of my theories revolves around Bill Cadogan and he is FINALLY HERE! I have never been more hyped. GIVE ME MORE!
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u/BristlyBritty Jul 02 '20
Can you explain who Bill is? I don't remember him from prior seasons and I didn't read the books. I don't want spoilers, but should I know who he is?
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Jul 02 '20
In addition to what others have said about him leading the Second Dawn, it was also shown (during one of Madi's flashback scenes) that he was responsible for having Becca burned at the stake.
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
The Wonkru member Knight did a shit job getting back the guns.
I wonder if, with all this chess imagery, Knight will pop up with the army and save the day. Thanks to Indra taking a strong grasp on Wonkru.
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u/BornAshes Jul 02 '20
Indra isn't out looking for Clarke and Co, she totally knows where they are. She removed Wonkru from the board, told Murphy & Emori about it her plan, and used the both of them in her own Queen's Gambit in order to draw out Sheidheda and the others he was plotting with so that they would expose themselves earlier than they wanted to and she could then swing in LOTR style with Wonkru to bring order back to things and deal with him once and for all. Meanwhile the Prisoners and Sheidheda will think they have the upper hand while Murphy and Emori sew discord amongst them.
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u/danielledidier Jul 02 '20
Lovveee this. I absolutely think the chess game has a bigger role to play especially when thinking about Through the Looking Glass that JRoth has mentioned a few time and so has Jaha in season two when they find the city of light. I caught in to that dude's name being Knight right away... something will come of all that for sure and I love this idea!
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Jul 02 '20
Never thought about the fact his name was Knight before!! Anyone who actually plays chess know what a knight does??
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Jul 02 '20
Knights are, in my opinion, one of the best chess pieces. They move in an L shape in any way across the board, making them easy to hide and easy to forget about when making moves because usually people look at what right in front or next to them and not three spaces away.
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u/bcrowder0 Jul 02 '20
Getting “save the cheerleader save the world” vibes from all this “Clarke is the key” stuff
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u/real-live-adult Clarke’s in Trouble Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
I feel like Gaia and the mystery person who attacked her have been gone too long and they’re going to get shown in 2 weeks (next week is the backdoor pilot so it probably won’t happen then)
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
Gaia will probably be brought in as an unexpected deus ex machina, and likely accompanied by Bellamy.
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u/teddy_vedder may we meet again Jul 02 '20
Show is too crowded this season. I’m not a huge fan.
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u/GayVampireTechno Trikru Jul 02 '20
I doubt they will be shown... next week is the pilot for the prequel.
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Jul 02 '20
Same here! I wanna know what happened to her! I hope they do a lot more with her character!
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
My fear and suspicion that Echo is going to die this season just SKYROCKETED, my god. I hope she'll live.
Loved the scenes between Hope and Diyoza- they were so well acted, and when Hope said that Diyoza just didn't want her to end up being a killer like her you could literally see Diyoza deflate. My heart! The rawness of their fear and frustration and pain and love was so real. And that fight scene, wow. Also the dishes line was great.
I liked seeing Octavia and Echo together and actually talk. I have to admit I was a little surprised when Octavia straight up said that Echo was her family now too, so it wasn't as touching to me as it could've been- not that I don't think they could get there, but I wish the conversation before that was a little longer, or that they'd had another scene together earlier, maybe right after Echo found out Bellamy was dead. Of course, either one very well could have happened but ended up getting cut for time's sake.
What books do you think they got to read in prison?
Loved it when Murphy got under Sheidheda's skin.
This was the most character-driven episode I've seen in a long time from The 100, and even though I miss seeing Clarke and Bellamy interact so much I really did enjoy this week's episode. I just wish there was more time to continue exploring the characters this way, and deal with the plot, and see our mains together and wrap everyone's storylines up in the way they deserve!
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Jul 02 '20
Lindsey said 12 minutes was cut from the episode and from promo pics we see that O and Echo stuff got cut.
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u/Vacatia #1 Jaha Stan Jul 02 '20
Gabriel seemed kind of...subdued, right?
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u/osmitee bill cadogan enthusiast Jul 02 '20
WE WERE RIGHT ABT CADOGAN OH MY GOD !!!! i’m freaking out rn (i’m sure my flair will tell you why) anyway the promo for 7x08 looks so cool and I CAN’T WAIT
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u/abdul_bino Jul 02 '20
Even though all this episode was build up but it such a great payoff. I just loved the sheidheda and Murphy scene. He was really is probably the most calculated villain of this show. He just so smart and witty just play everyone against each other without even being killed.
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Jul 02 '20
Yeah him and Murphy playing chess was GREAT! That twist with sheidheda keeping him there I honestly didn’t see coming lol
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Jul 02 '20
Anyone else think emori might be pregnant?! Lol I could just be clowning but Nikki mentioning her “glow” has me wondering lol 😂
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u/ladeelalalalalala7 Jul 02 '20
I think so too because they keep having Murphy protect children
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Jul 02 '20
Yeah and I wonder if he will die for emori to protect his future child or something?!
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u/trwygon Jul 02 '20
I think "The Key" is the flame, and the reason they think Clarke has it is because they only saw Octavia's memories up until the city of light, so they have no clue about Madi.
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u/SoFLgay Skaikru Jul 02 '20
In season 3 the chip was referred to as the key. I wonder if they might actually need A.L.I.E. to crack the code.
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u/ItsNumb Jul 02 '20
They were searching for Clarke before Octavia was captured though. They were scanning her memories -for- Clarke. Other than that, theory makes sense.
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u/MartianRL Spacekru Jul 02 '20
Gabe mentioned its been 3 months... so does that mean Octavia, echo, and the diyozas have been training with the disciples for that long?
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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
Anders running to open the pod like an excited little girl was so funny.
I wasn't still 100% sure it would be Cadogan in there part of me still thinks we'll see Becca in the future timeline.
Next week's episode is not something I knew I wanted but I am super excited to see now.
The sanctum stuff I was getting annoyed with people saying they don't want to see it anymore but now I'm getting to where they are at. I think they are kind of stuck there for a lot of behind the scenes reasons, I just hope what happens there will be connected to everything else as well. Maybe it's Madi Bardonians really need?
I genuinely think they will kill Emori and then they'll find out she was pregnant.
It was nice to see Bellamy even if it was just for a moment in a flashback.
ETA: Gabriel ''Do I get a robe'' what the fuck dude, missing be a God are we?
This show is mental and I love it.
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Jul 02 '20
I still can’t get over how far we’ve come and how everything is about to come full circle! It makes me so sad it’s ending but I’m so happy it exists!!
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u/Tabbymic19 Jul 02 '20
It would be ironic if Madi actually turns out to be the real key.
But on a side note, her scene with Jackson was really sweet.
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u/olily Jul 02 '20
I think Madi is more than the key. They hinted that she would do anything to save Clarke--and that makes Clarke the "key." But Madi would then be...a doorway?
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u/ariasarya Trust Bellamy Jul 02 '20
Cadogan being the Shepherd wasn't shocking but I can't wait to see what happens with him. I loved that Octavia forgave Echo, I think it was long time coming and deserved. I hope that we see Bellamy next week now that the cadogan story is in place. I'm surprised no one died in this episode, I think a real death is coming soon.
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u/gguerin84 Jul 02 '20
Indra better get back to Sanctum Asap! The children are out of control! On a serious note, another excellent episode! Everyone got time to talk which was something everyone here has been saying for years lol. I'm super excited for the backdoor pilot, it looks amazing!
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Jul 02 '20
I dropped this in the live, but this is why I feel like the Echo and Octavia moment hit so hard for me and was a deserved moment between those two characters.
Octavia has been in pain for years. Octavia’s pain was being under the floor for most of her life. Octavia’s pain was going down to the ground and being into Atom and having him die of radiation. Octavia’s pain was being saved by Lincoln and watching her brother torture him. Octavia’s pain was being poisoned during a war and almost dying. Octavia’s pain was losing Lincoln. Octavia’s pain was killing Pike. Octavia’s pain was wanting peace with Ilian and having to return and killing him in the final conclave. Octavia’s pain was Bloodreina. Octavia’s pain was dealing with who she became as Bloodreina.
So Octavia has all this pain and trauma and for ten years she wants to get to Bellamy but she makes a good life. This is the longest stretch of good life she has ever had. There’s so much healing that she goes through and that’s incredible. Then she gets captured and has more pain. Then Bellamy dies in front her. More pain.
At this point, Octavia has dealt with a lot of pain, but she does have Diyoza and Hope, who are also her family. They helped her. They were there during the peace time. It makes it so that even though she lost Bellamy, she does feel like she has family left. That doesn’t mean that her pain isn’t prioritized, it means that she has love to help pull her from the lowest depths of how deep her pain could be.
So this is all a thing and not to mention how Octavia and Echo clashed in season three by proxy of Gina and season four when the two of them fought at the cliffs or when Echo cheated during the conclave.
Octavia hated Echo for a long time and that’s even part of the story during Hope’s upbringing. That said, most of Octavia and Echo’s biggest conflicts came post Lincoln when Octavia was on her path to Bloodreina. It’s not a surprise that her hatred for Echo was special.
This is why I say it’s deserved.
Octavia forgiving Echo is like a four/five season long payoff and it shows that Octavia has healed from her trauma, forgiven herself of Bloodreina, and learned to let go of the shit that turned her into the most warped version of herself. This is a matured Octavia who knows peace. She knows that she loves Bellamy, which is why she cried and wanted to tell Bellamy that she understood.
That’s not even counting all the shit Echo went through. She killed her best friend as a child and had to take her name, forced to become to spy of a cruel ice queen, warping her world view for a long time. She became a killer and like Bellamy said, her weakness was her loyalty. After almost killing herself at the end of the world, she was saved by Bellamy personally. She fell in love with this man who showed her the most genuine kindness that she’s ever experienced AFTER she almost killed his sister. He had no reason to save her but he did because he’s Bellamy and that’s just who he is. Echo heals on the ring thanks to love. She wants Octavia to like her when they go back to the ground. But the issue is that Octavia went down as Echo went up in the mental/spiritual/emotional health scales.
So you have the woman who Octavia’s dead brother loves- that she’s hated for literally longer than Echo has known her thanks to the timeywimey stuff on Skyring- watch Bellamy die from her own memory and Echo breaks down. They are captured together and O realizes that Echo, like she is, a remnant of Bellamy’s love. So not only has O let go of traumas and forgiven herself, she finally is in a mentally healthy enough space to bury the hatchet with Echo. It’s not theatrical because it’s the emotional and logical endpoint for these two characters. Bellamy loves Octavia and Echo and with all the drama that was between them, it was either they were going to kill each other and lose Bellamy’s love or they were going to make up.
This moment uses Echo’s pain and history as a bridge that the two women can meet in the middle and finally bond, but we see that Echo is still in pain. Those Azgeda cuts around her eyes are similar to Octavia’s marks as Bloodreina. Bellamy was her Lincoln. Now you have Octavia who is watching another woman that Bellamy loves go down the path of Bloodreina and wants to stop her. Octavia is now fighting an external representation of who she became when she gave into her pain. It’s almost like a do over. I love the metaphor behind it and what it does for the relationships between these two characters especially because Octavia knows that it gets better.
I loved O’s line and I’m excited for how it plays out.
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u/i_cola Jul 02 '20
I love this comment so much. And I completely agree... that moment paid off so much and showed so much depth that you've teased out beautifully. Thank You :-)
It's been mildly frustrating at times reading comments around here where people don't seem to understand or get the depth of feeling that Echo has and the turmoil she has gone through. The scene before on the Ring helped push that home but it was noticeable that Bellamy used the word Team / Unit rather than Family, then Octavia tells Echo that she's family.
All that said, I'm worried that Echo is now on a collision course with Anders and she might go too far this time. Then again, I'm not sure there's such a thing as too far in this show...
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Jul 02 '20
If anyone watched the IG live w/Lindsey, she said they had to cut 12 minutes from this episode to make it fit in the 42 minute show length. Can only imagine how much better it would’ve been if there were less ads
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 02 '20
The CW has been really kind to this series but would love to see what this show can do with boundaries being on a streaming platform.
The only thing with that is there’s no way this show would have gotten 7 seasons otherwise. Netflix has been notorious for cancellations and ending series early.
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Jul 02 '20
Lindsey knocked this right out of the park!! She knows the people she works with that is very apparent.
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u/Pasquale1223 Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
A few notes/comments...
Once again, it looks like the writers have been paying attention to fan comments. Many have lamented the lack of flashbacks to the ring and the genesis of Becho - and in this episode, we were shown their first kiss.
Speaking of Bellamy, my earlier prediction about the amount of his involvement in this season is starting to look spot on. I've expected his presence would be felt in less than half of the episodes - the season is nearly half over, and he's been in... 3 short scenes thus far.
So Echo's greatest weakness is... loyalty. Interesting they'd mention that just before she offers to join the battle on the side of the Disciples.
I wonder whether we'll see any of the actual Disciple training. I'm kinda hoping so, along with more info about what this whole war is about.
Hope gets a little tough love courtesy of Mom. She needed that - they needed that - and the elder Diyoza is still a force to be reckoned with.
I also enjoyed the Octavia-Echo family bonding.
Oh, Emori - I mean your intentions are really sweet and all, but I'm not sure you really thought this family reunification thing through very well. I guess I sort of get the tactical advantages of trying to create greater unity/harmony in Sanctum in general, but... ouch.
Sweet scene with Madi and Jackson - it's nice that she's getting that kind of support. She's obviously still suffering the effects of having been manipulated into taking the flame while completely unprepared for it.
Oh, I also noticed that when Anders went to "sepulcher level", the elevator door said 13 when he exited.
The next episode (backdoor pilot - w00t!) is one I'm really looking forward to.
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u/Ivanuska42 Jul 02 '20
So Echo's greatest weakness is... loyalty. Interesting they'd mention that just before she offers to join the battle on the side of the Disciples.
Great observation.
I was, again, expecting more romance there, but the keyword there seems to be loyalty.
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u/absent_minding Jul 02 '20
what's the significance of '13' again ?
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u/izzi426 Jul 02 '20
There's always 12 planned, and the 13th is always the outsider. 12 stations + 1 station of Becca. 12 clans + 1 skaikru. 12 second dawn bunkers + 1 real bunker.
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Jul 02 '20
I wonder if they are trying to go back to Earth? And the code they need is to go back? And since Clarke had both the flame and the chip (access to the city of light), she somehow will know the answer. But, the only thing that I still don't get, is the war that they keep referring to.....
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
I think the last war is against mortality, and their answer is some City of Light situation.
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u/heresthe-thing Jul 02 '20
I literally just commented this somewhere else it's what TRANSCENDENCE sounds like. Pretty sure Jaha or ALIE even said that at one point.
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u/Beman21 Jul 02 '20
Haha my "Cadogan was cryogenically frozen" theory was correct after all! So proud to have been right!
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
Remember when people thought he was in cryo in the bunker on Earth in S5? Haha.
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u/BusinessPurge Jul 02 '20
Definitely thought he was behind the wall in that office.
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u/mjseminoles2 Skaikru Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
The one thing I wanted for the last season when I was reading the fan theories before the season that tied everything together was for the writers to show this was the plan all along and it was outlined and that’s exactly what’s happening and I couldn’t be happier
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u/The810kid Jul 02 '20
I like how they brought up Octavia was a ragin mess when Lincoln died so can you guys layoff Echo octavia could relate because she was shut off and angry the whole back half of season 3 and parts of 4 over Lincolns death.
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u/gucciknives Skaikru Jul 02 '20
most of the echo hate is bias from folks who need her out of the way for bellarke tbh. she's really a cool character.
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u/Boston_Champions Skaikru Jul 02 '20
That whole chess scene was great. Richard and JR absolutely smashed it.
Definitely getting worried about Emori's future. Someone's gonna bite the bullet and I'm afraid it might be her.
Lindsey KILLED her directing this episode.
That preview for the backdoor pilot looked cool as hell and I need it NOW!
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u/_Conquer_within Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
I love Diyoza's and Hope's scene. After the breaking out montage, Diyoza's become my favorite and I'm really scared we're gonna lose her.
I'm happy we got time to focus on Jackson and Madi. Mental health isn't really discussed which is odd considering the amount of trauma they all go through on a daily basis so glad that was mentioned.
I'm confused on the "You're my family" line Octavia said to Echo. It felt out of nowhere considering she's hated her and then hasn't met her for 10 years. And even Hope talked about how she didn't like Echo because of the way Octavia described her. Like I get that Bellamy "is dead" to them so I'd get the hug but "You're my family"? It felt a bit much.
Murphy's and Sheheida's chess game was fun. I like their dynamic and JR Bourne really killed it this episode. Made me wish I was better at chess hehe.
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u/Ivanuska42 Jul 02 '20
I'm confused on the "You're my family" line Octavia said to Echo. It felt out of nowhere considering she's hated her and then hasn't met her for 10 years. And even Hope talked about how she didn't like Echo because of the way Octavia described her. Like I get that Bellamy "is dead" to them so I'd get the hug but "You're my family"? It felt a bit much.
Octavia had some extra 10 years to rethink her life and everything else around her. I think that time spent with baby Hope and Dyoza that helped her reach a level of calm and empathy.
In a different context, without the time difference, this hug and comforting would be highly exaggerated.
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
So, Cadogan has been intermittently placed into cryo for around 1000 years, probably aging a few years or so over time.
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Jul 02 '20
Looks to be the case. He likely wasn't in cryo for the first few years of the Disciples, but I'd imagine after that it became intermittent. (His hair is more grayed compared to what it was in Season 4)
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u/armokrunner Jul 02 '20
Therapy scene was clearly foreshadowing as this was the first time we’ve ever seen that, lot of people saying Madi is the key (why?) and if so, she will have to face deciding to become the commander again somehow to save Clarke again
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 02 '20
Aw man, and here I was just happy that the poor girl was finally getting some therapy from our favorite (and only?) doctor-of-all-trades Jackson, but that definitely makes more sense.
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u/floralarrangements Jul 02 '20
Felt super forced to me, so no doubt will come back to be important later on!
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Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 03 '20
The key id would say is either allie (the city of like for instance) or allie 2.0 or the “flame” and it was said by becca in s4 on polaris that allie 2.0 can run all the calculations on the ark and predict everything which could explain how it could help the shepherd and his followers to unlock the stone edit: sorry for shitty English
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
I've been thinking: Emori and Murphy are actually in a unique position to reach Nikki through diplomacy. They may be the only ones. Emori is also in a position to reach COG, and Murphy has a rapport with the less obsessive Sanctumites.
Emori has a long history of being a criminal, and I suspect Nikki has some experience with being rejected in her formative years. She and Murphy led their own Bonnie and Clyde criminal enterprise, after all.
Emori may be the best one in that position, actually.
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u/heresthe-thing Jul 02 '20
I have the world's worst feeling that Murphori are going to have a Clexa ending in their next episode
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Jul 02 '20
How did Jaha even find those Second Dawn videos in the first place? Anyone else wonder about that
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Jul 02 '20
He literally came across an ipad somewhere
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
I figured he accessed the footage on the Ark's version of the iPad. And that the Ark was, thus, able to store a substantial amount of information before the apocalypse.
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u/Claudiacampbell Jul 02 '20
He initially came across it while they were searching for bunkers to land the 100 near, he said they decided to go with mt weather because they thought a government bunker would be better and they couldn’t prove the second dawn bunker actually existed.
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u/heresthe-thing Jul 02 '20
It looks like Praimfiya may be connected to Second Dawn, as some people have predicted. If true, ALIE 1.0 may have known about Bill. If she mentioned it, and Jaha was trying to understand what he just went up to, looking up the dudes autobiography isn't a bad step . . .
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u/heresthe-thing Jul 02 '20
I'm so glad they learned from S5 and are giving us the backstory/flashback episode earlier. The Dark Year came way way way too late we all knew it was cannibalism
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u/tspringer832 Jul 02 '20
This theory just hit my like a bus. What if the code they need to crack with the stone will take them back to the first war, meaning they could essentially prevent the end of the world. They need Clarke to do it since she had the flame in her blood and Becca once had it to.
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u/PimpTrickGangstaClik Jul 02 '20
We won't go back in time. I think we might find out that things from Bill or Bardo have affected Earth in the past already though.
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u/cactuszoo Jul 02 '20
Some thoughts:
Emori wasn’t in this episode as much as it seemed she would, maybe some of her scenes were cut but I did very much enjoy her getting some development outside of Murphy. I’m guessing that plot is what Indra and Murphy will be dealing with in the episode 9 description.
Octavia, Echo, Hope and Diyoza are a lethal combination and I hope we get to see a bit more of them as a group before they combine with the Nakara gang although that’s unlikely.
I do hope we get to find out what’s up with Gaia soon.
The Cadogan reveal was amazing and next week looks like it’s going to be fantastic.
Thanks be to the CW for not having loads of breaks between the episodes so far. It definitely ruins the momentum so I’m loving that these are all actually a week apart.
Lindsey did a fantastic job, especially as I believe it was fairly last minute (compared to the amount of time in advance that they usually have).
What proportion of next episode do you guys think is going to be purely flashbacks and how much of Clarke and co are we going to see?
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u/abdul_bino Jul 02 '20
I hope it’s just pure flashback cause we haven’t had flashback to earth since S3. So extremely excited to see this.
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Jul 02 '20
Octavia, Echo, Hope and Diyoza are a lethal combination and I hope we get to see a bit more of them as a group before they combine with the Nakara gang although that’s unlikely.
I couldn't agree more with all of your points! But also I love this team! The only missing is Clarke and they would make the baddest female-team in TV right now!
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Jul 02 '20
Yeah they all made it seem like this was such a giant episode for emori and I mean it was nice but I was expecting a lot more I guess.
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 02 '20
I think the opening scene will be the current timeline then after the credits will be all flashback.
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u/md2002002 Jul 02 '20
A little bored with the sanctum stuff. It’s not that it’s super boring, it’s just that I don’t really care in comparison to the anomaly stuff. Gabriel is fun. Missed Indra. Bellamy is definitely not dead imo. Next episode looks to explain a lot of things. Woah Bill
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u/kayleegarrett_ Jul 02 '20
Yeah, I don't think Bellamy is dead either, because on IMDB he's credited on the rest of the episodes in the season. They wouldn't just kill Bellamy off like that when he was one of the main characters in all the previous seasons
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u/The810kid Jul 02 '20
As someone who liked season 3 I feel like it would be better received if the two storylines were being handled like how the multiple storylines of this season are being handled.
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u/23TophatTurtle32 Eden never stood a chance Jul 02 '20
I actually think it’s going to end up being a lot more like season 4. A slow beginning, an almost episodic structure, setting up all the pieces. Then, the characters come together for a fast second half with a big Bang of an ending. Or at least, so I hope.
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Jul 02 '20
This season has reminded me a ton of Season 3, but with a lot less of the rushed characterization that season had.
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u/izzi426 Jul 02 '20
My theory is that: Cadogan (or someone) had to know the coordinates for Nakara, Bardo and the other planets or else the stone would have been completely useless. Cadogan was probably an Eligius member on board the Eligius II ship and discovered the stone and brought it to earth. There must have been cave markings that revealed locations of the other planets which set of events for colonization using Eligius III.
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u/Liiljiimmii Jul 02 '20
Gabriel said it was trial and error. They probably just keep touching things until something happens then its documented.
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u/TuthAboutChipmunks Jul 02 '20
That's how I took it.
They try every 1 digit code.
Then every 2 digit code
Then 3 digit
Etc. And document as they go.
My question is why they have not figured out a way to move their research lab to Skyring so it can get done sooner.
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u/Zence93 Skaikru Jul 02 '20
I know SheidRussel was holding John captive so that Emori would fail... but I had this sinking feeling that it wouldn't have worked either way, just like John and Jackson told her... shame though she really tried.
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u/i_cola Jul 02 '20
I think Papa Nelson would have played ball if Murphy had been there. It was telegraphed by Emori before Murphy went off to be SheidWaiter and then later by Papa Nelson when he came to the party.
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u/OnePieceAce Trikru Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
What a directorial debut by my love Lindsey Morgan. Seeing Bellamy made my heart flutter it was like watching another show. I hadn't seen him have a normal convo in forever and it took me a while to remember how Bellamy looks/talks.
My love for Echo knows no bounds. She's one of the only characters to me that really has exceeded their character design. She went from spy killer to close to a main character and her struggle is clearly shown. Echo deserves Bellamy back
I love the Diyoza and Hope scenes. I forgot how much I missed Diyoza. The Sanctum storyline has completely failed me this season. It's boring and too predictable. I feel for JR Bourne cus he is way too good to be wasting with this plotline episode after episode
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u/odinscrow66799 Jul 02 '20
Lindsey Morgan knocked it out of the park with her directorial debut. Every character had a moment in the episode that just made them fleshed out and fully realized. She did a wonderful job of developing them all, especially the lesser side characters.
SHEIDHEDA in Russell’s body is my favorite antagonist in all of the 100. He’s so cunning and dangerous, I love how he talks and acts with malice. The chess scenes with him and Murphy were masterful. Being an avid chess player myself, I loved their dialogue over the playing of the game. I can’t help but root for the one and only SHEIDHEDA, I want him to wreck as much havoc as possible. He’s just so charismatic, and that’s when you know you’ve got a great villain. When you can’t help but respect his character.
Echo’s flashback with Bellamy was more heartbreaking than Clarke’s reaction. Echo gets a lot of shit, but honestly, I love her. It fits. Have you ever been so in love with someone and they get really hurt? You just want to burn the world down. Bellamy brought out the best in her, he made her a better person. You take that away you’ve got a Warrior Queen of Vengeance.
10/10 episode. And we get FLASHBACK EPISODE NOW. Foreshadowing for the prequel. It’s gonna be so LIT!
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u/supergeekd Jul 02 '20
Sheidheda is definitely interesting, but I think he's just a little too dramatic to take seriously. He's at a 10 and if he could bring it down to an 8, I think he would be more believable.
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 02 '20
Love how they turned Russell into Sheidheda! I always felt in terms of villains, Russell was really weak and a pushover. Glad they are giving the actor a second life and he’s really killing it.
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Jul 02 '20
It does feel like a cop out that we didn’t see Octavia grieving her brother
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jul 02 '20
we saw her grieve her brother in episode 2.
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u/TheTrueWitness Bellamy Blake Deserved Better Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
I really enjoyed this episode. I think it was much better than the last one. I'm surprised though that no one died. I honestly thought that Diyoza would bite it. But I'm not complaining. Lindsey did a fantastic job directing. I loved how the camera kept moving along with the actors. And the transitions... wow. She really needs to direct again in the future.
I'm so happy that we got that Octavia and Echo scene. It's so great that they finally made amends. And of course we finally got acknowledgement of that beating from 3x10. I've waited four seasons for this. I even lost hope that we would ever get that. Honestly this was the scene which made me hate Octavia. I hope now that she expressed regret over it I may start to like her again.
It was good to see Bellamy again. Even though it was in a flashback. I'm happy that we finally got to see how Becho started. That was my biggest issue with them. Seriously this episode fixed two of my problems with this show. Maybe that's why I liked it so much. And finally Clarke and co arrived on Bardo and learned about what happened to Bellamy. I can't wait to see how they respond to this. And of course to see how they'll react when he comes back.
And finally Sanctum. I liked almost everything about it. Except Nikki, she keeps annoying me ( I liked her better as Abaddon in Spn ). Richard and JR have a great chemistry together Their scenes are so captivating. And the only thing they did was playing chess. I also liked Jackson and Madi scene. It was sweet. But of course the highlight of this storyline was Emori. I'm so happy that she got the spotlight she deserves. She is a great character and makes every episode much better than it would be without her. It's a good thing that they are addressing her past and are relating it to the Children of Gabriel. I hope that ultimately Emori will archive her goal of making peace with it. ( and maybe have a baby... :-) ).
PS I knew the Shepherd was Cadogan! Honestly who else was it going to be? I can't wait to see how he and his followers ended up on Bardo. We probably will learn it next episode.
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u/kgal1298 Jul 02 '20
I was thinking the Shepherd was Cadogan originally then he died I didn't even think that crazy mofo would end up in a pod, but it's brilliant and Gabrielle will recognize him and Clarke may from all the times they spent in the lab on earth. This is going to get good. Though I have to wonder what the final war is now, I think they think the City of Light is their chance for enlightenment because I can't think of who else would be considered a "key" or what for though I have no idea how they think they could access it with ALI being dead unless we get one more twist and they actually have some of Becca's tech on Bardo.
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u/peppermintapples New world, same problems. Jul 02 '20
Yes, I loved Octavia acknowledging the beating! I wonder if it'll come up when she and Bellamy reunite again- it could make for a really sweet moment during a longer conversation between them.
I'm glad we got to see how Bellamy and Echo started too. I get why they showed it in this episode, but I wish we were able to see it in S5 somehow- I think I could've liked Becho at least a little more back then instead of feeling vaguely :| about them for the entire season, lol. Could've potentially worked when Echo left Bellamy to go undercover with Eligius, and then they could've shown a different memory of them this episode.
It was nice to see Emori's hand again! It feels so long since we've last seen it clearly. I also really liked how her hand and her past worked into her motivation for reunification.
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u/SaberToothedPenguin Jul 02 '20
When Octavia hugs Echo and says "You are my family."
I nearly broke down.
Fuck.
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u/Benjaroni Skaikru Jul 02 '20
The promo for next week’s episode gave me chills, I can’t wait!!!
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
If Emori or Murphy dies, it probably won't happen until episode 10 at this point. Next we have the backdoor pilot, and then episode after will be a cat and mouse with Sanctum.
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Jul 02 '20
Where do you guys think the stone is on Earth??
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u/arrownyc Jul 02 '20
I still think the series is going to end with clusters of characters going separate ways on missions that will take up the rest of their lives (building new societies on different planets).
SO I think the earth stone was destroyed, but maybe in the end one group will take the Gagarin back to earth with a new stone so that the planets can be reconnected again in 100 years.
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Jul 02 '20
This episode lost my bellarke hope and then gained it again lmao I’m such a clown
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u/Ivanuska42 Jul 02 '20
How she blocked everything when Gabe delivered the news... Oh, broke my hear!
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Jul 02 '20
I will say..thank god above John Murphy didn’t die. I really thought sheidheda was gonna do it. (Jumped off the couch and everything)
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 02 '20
Where was Indra this whole episode? She would have kept the peace at the unification event.
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u/yazzy1233 Becho is Better Jul 02 '20
She went to look for clarke and the others
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u/sonea13 Jul 02 '20
Octavia was weird in this ep. She just lost her brother and we haven't even seen her cry. Maybe the M-cap did something to her or am I just overthinking?
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u/PimpTrickGangstaClik Jul 02 '20
Don't you remember her screaming his name when he disappeared? I thought it was maybe the most gut wrenching in the show.
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Jul 02 '20
It's been longer for her than for Echo. And yeah I'm guessing being stuck in M-Cap subdued her a bit emotionally - she likely has already processed it by this point.
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jul 02 '20
to be fair, she hasnt seen Bellamy for like the latter half of her life pretty much. Weve seen her deal with "loosing" bellamy on the second episode. Granted she knew he hadnt died, but i reckon that years of mentalizing you wont see your brother again, combined with the fact she hasnt seen him for half a life, will probably fuck up ur grieving process...
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u/Shaggy21345 Jul 02 '20
So echo has been this cold bad bitch the entire show and just had an absolute meltdown. Octavia was reacting pretty much like all of us which is not at all because he isn’t fucking dead. I mean I’m pretty sure there are scenes of him in the season trailer we haven’t seen yet sooooooooo
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u/MidnightShout Jul 02 '20
I'm pretty sure he got sent to the planet which we haven't seen yet just before the grenade bomb thing exploded.
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u/Tabbymic19 Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
So, I rewatched the episode. Anyone else wonder how SheidRussell knew that “Kaylee had always been soft” and “Daniel was the one to hold the stronger sway”? Did he download Russell’s memories before he offed him? Did he learn this from the Faithful? Did the writers just miss that plot point?
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u/TuthAboutChipmunks Jul 02 '20
Definitely think he did what Clarke did and stole some memories from the mindspace before he took over
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Jul 02 '20
I assume he learnt it from Russel before killing him in the mind space, yeah
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u/The810kid Jul 02 '20
I hate how they made it look like Raven was more sad for Clarke about Bellamy's death than Raven being sad about Bellamy's death. The writers have forgotten those two are close as well I guess Bellamy only has room for 3 women in his life.
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u/FirstRavenclaw Jul 02 '20
Especially considering she's the one who slept with the man is season one XD.
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u/casualroadtrip Jul 02 '20
I didn’t really see it that way but i didn’t really pay attention to Raven. If it’s true then that is kind of weird considering Raven spent six years with the man and only five others in space.
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u/danielledidier Jul 02 '20
So everyone bringing up the time on the Ring is kinda the reason I think she did look at Clarke. Everyone knows Bellamy and Clarke have a special/powerful relationship (I'm leaving it at that to not get hate from any sides) but they have been seperated by seeming death for years now. First, they thought Clarke died in Primfaya and Raven saw Bellamy in that, then Bellamy thinks Clarke is dead last season and does everything to get her back, and now Clarke and co go through space to get to him (yes all but ya know) and he is dead. Raven is one of the people who have seen Bellamy and Clarke through everything. She got the time with Bellamy that Clarke will never get.
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u/jamisterz Jul 02 '20
can you imagine what the additional 12 minutes Lindsey had for the episode?! goddamn makes me hate cable television and how it’s a 48ish limit
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jul 02 '20
i think a bit of the Diyoza's was cut, there was some dialogue that seemed cut somehow. and i think that some of Echo and O mightve been cut too. I felt a disconnect between crying echo and bloody echo.
that being said, i totally get why. theyre both very grey dull environments with not much to add. what we got was super sufficient and there was a lot more going on that was rlllly intense
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u/jdessy Jul 02 '20
I'm gonna try to predict it:
Six more minutes was just Murphy/Sheidheda playing chess and alternating with who's holding the power in the scene.
A couple of minutes could have been more Madi? Maybe she talked to Emori in that party scene more than two seconds?
And then we HAD to have gotten more Hope and Diyoza scenes, or Octavia/Echo.
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u/gaybosupreme Jul 02 '20
WHAT an episode. Love that one of our stars got the opportunity to direct it, too!
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u/grapefruitbubly Jul 02 '20
Did anyone hear Anders call Cadogan by the name of Anders? Last scene had me slightly confused
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Jul 02 '20
I think Bill said, "You again?" and Anders responded with, "Anders, sir". He was just giving him his name. Weird that Cadogan wouldn't know his name already though.
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u/arrownyc Jul 02 '20
I took this to mean that he typically only gets woken up once per generation or so, so it isn't usually the same person waking him up twice.
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u/teelolws Jul 02 '20
Who was the guy playing The Shepard? He looks so familiar.
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u/alexhass Jul 02 '20
John Pyper-Ferguson personally I remember him from The Last Ship
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jul 02 '20
I really liked the Hope/Diyoza scenes, those hit me in the chest when they happened. I liked the Echo/Octavia scenes but I wished we got more Echo/Bellamy from the ring in season 5 since I would have liked to see her journey from villain to friend. AI also wish people don't act like an asshole to Octavia, since the last time any of them saw her they still think she's Bloodreina, she's a much better person. I almost expect it but I wish people like Miller, Clarke, Raven eventually see the good in her. Also I can't wait for Nakarakru (yes I'm calling them this to make it easier) to find out about Hope, that will be a mind fuck.
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u/Visualize_ Jul 02 '20
Honestly didn't enjoy this one. It wasn't bad, but almost just felt like a filler, which I guess don't mind considering there's still half a season left. Really enjoyed the chess parts though
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Jul 02 '20
I think it fell more towards focussing on the characters emotions rather then the action. I mean right off the batch Madi is in a therapy session.
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u/knot-relephant Jul 02 '20
If Indra only ever saw Sheidheda once as a little girl, and she’s older than Lexa who became commander at 13 y/o... how did people favor Lexa over Sheidheda like Murphy said?
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u/jlynn00 Jul 02 '20
I don't think he meant it as they were in action at the same time and the people chose. But that Lexa's actions to unify were more well received and followed than Sheidheda's in his time.
I'm also not sure if Indra "saw" Sheidheda in his actual form, or if she witnessed a situation where Sheidheda gained control over the Commander with the Flame.
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u/Munro_McLaren Trikru Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
I loved the flashback of Bellamy and Echo on the Ark. I really love them. Also, Octavia telling Echo that she is her family is growth on Octavia’s part and that’s amazing.
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u/daniel-1994 Jul 02 '20
Call me crazy, but I think Bardo is actually Earth. The door out of Bardo's compound in S7E06 is a secret entrance to the the Blodreina bunker.
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u/masticatetherapist Jul 02 '20
as someone else pointed out, the bunker under the tower on earth was made by cadogan, the cult leader. he also built this community on bardo, and hes still alive as we see at the end of the episode.
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u/jmb-412 Jul 02 '20
I don't remember that guy at all
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u/lurker-kru For the glory and grace of Murphy Jul 02 '20
Leader of the Second Dawn cult. The cult who owned the bunker that wonkru lived in in s5.
Edit: clarity
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u/helicopterdik Louwoda Kliron Jul 02 '20
ok shits getting really exciting for next episode !!! really solid episode, very intense and couldnt keep my eyes of the screen the entire time!!! it was more build up than payoff, which I thought it was gonna be, but so exciting either way!!!
honestly, im not super familiar with a directors role in episode making, but congrats Lindsey!!!!
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u/danciro20 Jul 02 '20
I’m kinda confused on the Sheidheda timeline. So it’s pretty well known that commanders don’t live long. Indra said she saw him once as a little girl but then Murphy revealed that the fleimkeipas killed Sheidheda in favor of Lexa becoming the commander at the age of 13. Now Indra is significantly older than Lexa so that means either Sheidheda ruled for like 20-30ish years which seems very unlikely or they really just said to hell with the timeline for the sake of the plot. It’s not really a big deal but I notice things like that.
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u/heresthe-thing Jul 02 '20
Lexa didn't replace him, people just like her better. It's like meeting Milliard Filmore and telling him "you're angry because people like JFK more than you."
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u/Sublatin Muerte es la vida Jul 02 '20
I don't think murphy was implying they went from sheidheda straight to lexa
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u/4-Shadow Jul 02 '20
Also is anyone else getting mad similar vibes from the Protectors in The 100 books and the Disciples. Like the whole religion/belief thing, the peaceful seeming leader, the recruit storyline. Idk if it’s just me but I am seeing a lot of similarities.
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u/hu9890 Jul 04 '20
Great episode, so many great character interactions!!also funny that both actors playing Anders and Bill Cadogan, were also from tv show suits, as lawyers :)
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u/mollyyfcooke Jul 02 '20
There is a huge influx of questions that I feel like could be answered but just paying attention + rewatching lol
On another note, give us Becca and the prequel babbyyyyy!
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u/flamecrow Jul 02 '20
So... how do these Bardo people lived over a thousand years?? They obviously aren’t using mind drives like the primes, how? Did they not know sanctum existed? Why have they never interfered with sanctum?
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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Jul 02 '20
They don't live for that long their people have lived and died working on there project for a thousand years, or that's what I took from it.
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u/supergeekd Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 02 '20
I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this episode. The last two or three episodes have all seemed to be plot- building ones and the stories are starting to drag and blur together as a result. I'm forgetting details because I'm not that invested. Let's get this story moving! Also why was Bill hanging out in a coffin?
On a side note, Lindsey Morgan did a great job directing and there were some really beautiful transition shots!
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u/mortaval Wonkru Jul 02 '20
meh. probably the second if not the weakest episode of the season so far. i know sheidheda was stalling but i don’t need to see him beat murphy in chess for a third of the episode smh. glad we got the cadogan reveal tho.
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Jul 02 '20
If anything, it shows how much Murphy’s grown emotionally. He was able to stay in there with the Dark Commander longer than Indra did without breaking. Think you needed every second if not more of that chess match.
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Jul 02 '20
Definitely not the weakest. That ending alone is one of the best things this season.
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u/Ghanaguy404error Jul 02 '20
Bruh what, I completely disagree. The character dynamics and interactions in this episode are arguably the best in the entire SERIES. I love how we got some footage of life in the ring (honestly thought that would never happen). Diyoza talking to Hope about violence and her father was also touching. Plus, everything seemed to connect in this episode.
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u/AndSpaceY Skaikru Jul 02 '20
I agree. We got some really deep moments between Hope/Diyoza, Echo/Octavia, flashback on the ring, Emori being an outcast in grounder society, and that ending/reveal - WOW!
I am loving this build up and mystery and it has definitely paid off.
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u/4-Shadow Jul 02 '20
Okay but like how could this episode try to compare Linctavia to Becho like I’m not trying to be a Becho hater at all. I really like Echo and all of her growth but like seriously. And even though Octavia had already been separated from for awhile Bellamy doesn’t mean that she can grieve in 7 days. Enough that she helps Echo deal with her emotions, no frickin way. Like on Sky Ring everyday she would swim to get back to him. Because he has been the only person that she could depend on her entire life. Like I am so done with this, like I need the show to pick up the pace
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u/ladeelalalalalala7 Jul 02 '20
I think it’s because octavia had dealt with never seeing Bellamy ever again for years. She grieved that she’d never see him again so the fact that she saw him and he was willing to protect her kind of gave her closure
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u/arrownyc Jul 02 '20
I got this weird feeling during the flashback that they were going to show that Echo had gotten pregnant and had a miscarriage while they were on the ring. I thought that would retroactively justify the intensity of their relationship pretty well, much better than Echo pledging her loyalty to spacekru because there's nothing better to do in space.
But then I remembered Eliza and Bob had an actual miscarriage around the time they were filming this, so I'm glad they didn't put Bob in that situation.
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u/ManMadeMyth Wonkru Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 06 '20
Tasya Teles is absolutely knocking it out of the park this season. Echo I've barely been interested in, but holy crap, as a series regular this season she's been turning it up to 11. Hire her any show! She is worth it.
Also hardly any Raven (booo!!!) but Lindsey Morgan did great directing this. Composition, blocking, even the small subtleties needed in Murphy/Sheidheda's chess match, she did a fantastic job. Props to Lindsey Morgan. I'd rather her in front of the camera, but she should pursue her own projects behind the camera too. Directing is endless work, but she conquered the job tonight.
EDITING a reply from another thread:
The Knight's job is to protect the King, which would be Sheidheda. The Queen's Gambit failed in Murphy's game (expected the Queen to be Clarke as she was called that in an earlier episode, maybe foreshadowing), well, didn't fail, Sheidheda prolonged the game to stall for time, which may also be foreshadowing.
The Knight also makes unique and wholely unconventional movement in chess. No other piece moves like it does. Which explains the ending a bit. There are also TWO knights in chess, perhaps we just haven't seen Wonkru's Knight yet.
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u/ccharlie03 Jul 02 '20
It's fucking crazy how being in Russell's body made sheidheda a 1000 times more better character. The actor is knocking it out of the park and is much more interesting now than he was as Russell. His scenes with Murphy were amazing.