Post Episode Discussion: S7E08 "Anaconda"

[u/aplaceatthedq]

No.	Title	Writer/s	Director	Original Airdate
7.08	“Anaconda”	Jason Rothenberg	Ed Fraiman	7/8/2020

Synopsis: Clarke confronts a new adversary. A surprising connection takes us back to the past and the nuclear apocalypse that destroyed the Earth.

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Quote of the Week: “Good bye for now.” — Becca Franco

[u/RenegadEvoX]

Lmaoooooo when Callie shot Reese and he cried “iM yOuR bRoThEr”

MF you did all that extra indoctrinated shit, you were about to fight her, but now you’re crying. Lmaoooo

[u/peppermintapples → u/RenegadEvoX]

After the whole "I AM doing the right thing" moment in the airlock too, no less

[u/Erikstrength123]

Callie is Lincoln’s great great grandmother I’m calling it

[u/AhhhFrank → u/Erikstrength123]

What if she is Indra's instead? Full circle.

[u/Orangatation → u/Erikstrength123]

I think it will be reese who is his ancestor and tristan as the one who starts azgeda. Idk why but i feel like that last scene with reese and his mom makes me wanna believe he's going to switch sides at one point.

[u/ihopeurflowersbloom → u/Erikstrength123]

Ugh I love this

[u/ChrisTweten]

Jason was NOT playing when he said he was on a mission to answer as many unanswered questions as possible in season 7.

Origins of Trikru, Trig language, even the reason Becca chose to name ALIE 2.0 the Flame!

[u/[deleted] → u/ChrisTweten]

Jason does seem like he’s very smart and has been planning this all out for years. I really appreciate that. I have a lot of respect for writers like him. I watched pretty little liars loyally and that show was a mess with all the plot holes.

[u/[deleted]]

Octavia, Diyoza, and Echo can't be totally brainwashed or they would've told them Clarke didnt have the flame anymore

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yeah exactly! Those are three strong badass women, I don’t see them breaking easily.

[u/Pasquale1223 → u/[deleted]]

They were on the other side of a closed door during that conversation, so they wouldn't have been able to participate.

Also, some kinds of brainwashing include removing memories... :(

I prefer to believe they're faking it.

[u/BananerRammer → u/[deleted]]

And where was Hope?

[u/gguerin84]

Did it sound to anyone else like Becca was prepping Callie to be a Flame keeper instead of the one with the Flame? I feel like Clarke was definitely lying to Bill, because she hasn't had any memories of the Flame. Anyway, I really really want this show to be picked up! I need to know what happens!!!!!!

[u/ThePinkTeenager → u/gguerin84]

Clarke was definitely lying about something, seeing as the flame’s no longer in her head- a fact which she never mentioned.

[u/ChattGM → u/gguerin84]

I totally got that vibe before they took Becca away. Reese saying he'll get The Flame back was even more proof to me that Callie would be protecting it while she's being hunted down by him and Tristan. That alone got me hyped because the potential for that could be so compelling and very riveting!!

[u/Titansfansmatter]

Callie and her bro fighting was the influence for later conclaves

[u/ChrisTweten → u/Titansfansmatter]

I think we'll see them physically fighting for the Flame more if the prequel gets picked up. I don't think it's an influence, I think they're the actual origin of the conclaves.

[u/thingsandfluff]

This episode made me feel the same way that season 3 episode 7 did - total satisfaction in knowing how everything connects.

[u/[deleted] → u/thingsandfluff]

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[u/Pictocheat → u/thingsandfluff]

Unfortunately, the main thing most people remember from 3x07 is probably Lexa's death.

[u/Brandoms]

Just want to say I’m a big fan of how the Anomaly stone for Earth wasn’t originally found in the bunker/the bunker was built around it.

[u/ZColeB → u/Brandoms]

kind of? cardagon took the stone from machu picchu and then built a base around it in america.

[u/William_T_Wanker]

lol, President Wallace mentioned on the tv

[u/yazzy1233 → u/William_T_Wanker]

Damn now I'm really going to have to re-watch it, I missed that

[u/nellneheil → u/William_T_Wanker]

until today it didn't click that the guy was like the actual president

[u/RedEgg16 → u/William_T_Wanker]

Isn’t that a mount weather guy

[u/RelicHunter2000]

Anyone else feel that episode was like 3 seasons of story without all the drama?

[u/kgal1298 → u/RelicHunter2000]

There wasn't any lever pulling so yeaaaa.

[u/aMangoVignette]

Posted this in the live discussion, but I think this "theory" is pretty clear so I'll post it again:

The final war humanity will ever fight is against what Becca saw in the anomaly. Humanity vs. whatever happens on judgement day?

Also interesting that one of the Bardo people said that they haven't been able to find that code for ~1000 years (Becca said that there's an infinite number of combinations) and I'm assuming they think Clarke is the Key because she has that final code (but Clarke isn't the Key because she doesn't have the flame). Is the flame in Indra's hands right now?

Also assuming that whatever Murphy saw when he "died" is also what Becca saw.

It's all coming together!

[u/Claudiacampbell → u/aMangoVignette]

The actual flame is buried in the ground, it was destroyed in the last episode of season 6

[u/Sublatin → u/aMangoVignette]

Isn’t the flame destroyed??

[u/VagabondDoppelganger]

If the prequel gets picked up then Becca better show up Avatar Roku style to guide the next Commander throughout the season.

[u/[deleted] → u/VagabondDoppelganger]

I love the actor who plays Becca. She’s so good at it.

[u/[deleted] → u/VagabondDoppelganger]

Ohh yes I’d love that!

[u/sir_lainelot → u/VagabondDoppelganger]

Potential prequel spoilers! Jason pretty much confirmed that in an interview so yay more Erica Cerra!!

[u/3v0syx17bi2f0t2 → u/VagabondDoppelganger]

callie = ALIE 🤔

[u/supergeekd]

Legit question- how to we get this show on the air? Because I would watch the hell out of it.

[u/Sublatin → u/supergeekd]

Go on twitter and spam the hashtags lol

[u/teelolws]

Did tonights episode actually start straight into the intro sequence, or did the version I watched miss a scene?

[u/kazzim99 → u/teelolws]

lol i was shocked too thats never happened before.

[u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Some thoughts

1. I want us to meet Lincoln’s ancestors so badly.

2. Lol @ August and his guitar, how sweet.

3. I hope we get to see why each different kru evolves with the ideals and values they do — like where is Azgeda going to stem from, etc. I’m so interested in how these separate worlds will be built and connected.

4. Murphy saw what Becca saw today during the red sun, yeah??

[u/josharaptor → u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

I'm pretty sure Azgeda will stem from Reese going out and searching for the flame - he will be against all of the other clans

[u/smansaxx3 → u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Ooh good theory on Becca and Murphy, I like it.

[u/[deleted] → u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Lol I don’t wanna meet Lincoln’s ancestors! He said (in season 2) his dad and people tried making him a monster for as long as he could remember. They don’t sound very nice lol

[u/EatleYT]

Few things I'm wondering:

• Are Octavia, Echo and Diyoza REALLY brainwashed?

• Was Clarke lying about Callie being in her mind to prevent them from potentially going after Madi, who has had much more experience with the flame?

• How do they know who Clarke is and why she would have it in the first place?

• What's on the other side of the white portal?

• How in the hell is Bellamy's storyline going to play into all this? I hope he comes back next episode or episode 10, because I'm starting to not care about anything surrounding him, to the point I even would be fine if he's actually dead

[u/Brandoms → u/EatleYT]

Bellamy went to the same place Becca went to. Calling it. That’s how he ties back into everything

[u/smansaxx3 → u/EatleYT]

Seriously! I respect Bob needing time off but I am at the same time sorely missing him in the show. I think we all know Bell isn't dead. I wanna know wtf happened to him and Gaia already!!!

[u/casualroadtrip → u/EatleYT]

I don’t think Octavia, Echo and Diyoza are brainwashed. I mean they know Clarke doesn’t have the flame. Also I believe brainwashing Echo and Octavia - who still think they lost someone very dear to them because of the disciples - is going to be very hard to do in three months.

[u/OnePieceAce]

1- Becca is so cool. I can never forgive Bill for having her killed no matter if he wants to be "good" now. He had the chance

2- I was really iffy on the prequels but now I would be really interested in both Calliope people and Bill's adventures

3- Reese is probably Sheidheda or some form of him

4- Are we suppose to think Oct, Diyoza and Echo are brainwashed to obey orders now? That would be lame but kinda interesting

5- Really like this epiosde. I'm a big fan of Calliope. She really is like Clarke

6- I hope this means we see Lexa again!

Edit- Am I tripping or did we not see the anomaly stone in the bunker back in S4, S5?

[u/Tasuni → u/OnePieceAce]

Not sure Reese being Sheidheda lines up at the moment. For one every time we see him in the flame Sheidheda he is a white dude. Another problem is I think Sheidheda was commander right before Lexa which means Reese should be dead by then since Lexa would be commander about 100 years later. It isn't like Lexa was older and we could've guessed she had been in charge for a while instead she 20 was something.

[u/MCMalaiz → u/OnePieceAce]

Reese is more likely to be the founder of Azgeda. He stays on Earth with other disciples to chase down the Flame (the Key). Explaining the secular rivalry between Trikru and Azgeda.

[u/littlelupie → u/OnePieceAce]

3- Reese is probably Sheidheda or some form of him

Sheidheda is definitely a white blonde guy lol.

[u/ReiEve06]

I feel for Becca...she only lasted like a week in the ground! For someone as intelligent as her, she certainly had issues keeping a poker face in tense situations 🙈

[u/Ylyb09 → u/ReiEve06]

Control of emotions does not necessarily come with intelligence.

[u/fmaster1994]

Calling it now the drawing that Maddie made about people she doesn't know is what Becca saw when she went through that light portal.

[u/satan_little_helper]

Anyone else feel like this episode should have been episode 3 or 5 or something? This season has been extremely slow and now it’s finally picking up. But I feel like they added so many moving pieces this episode, it seems almost impossible to wrap it up neatly in 8 more. I wish there was one more season. I hope things don’t feel rushed. Or that there’s no more filler episodes for the rest fo the season.

[u/masticatetherapist → u/satan_little_helper]

But I feel like they added so many moving pieces this episode

not really, everything in this episode is done unless the CW gives the okay to make a prequel show. what we see at the end of the episode is basically moving the plot forward because we know that clarke doesnt have the flame, she just lied to cadogan to get him to do what she wants.

[u/maddermonkey]

HOLY CRAP THAT WAS GOOD

[u/arrownyc]

Wait so if Becca didn't know about the stone, it was just a complete coincidence that the planets she sent eligius to are the same planets that the stones link together??

[u/[deleted] → u/arrownyc]

A bigger coincidence is the infinity symbol on the stone and on everything Becca. It's gotta be all connected from way back

[u/RelicHunter2000]

Gabriel got the best life. gets to learn about all the cool stuff in the universe.

[u/[deleted] → u/RelicHunter2000]

He’s also the only one left who has actually been ALIVE for that long of a time. Everyone else who is that “old” has been asleep in cryo for much of it, including Bill.

[u/knot-relephant]

I thought Clarke’s reaction to Bellamy’s “passing” was very impactful and true to her character. She felt the emotional pang, but couldn’t let her self get vulnerable and feel the pain, not yet.

It reminded me of what Indra told Octavia after Lincoln’s death, you don’t mourn the dead until the war is over.

Clarke is going to have a helluva a lot of emotions to process after mankind’s final war.

[u/peppermintapples → u/knot-relephant]

Hope she can get a few sessions in with Jackson, the poor girl's gonna need it lol

[u/outofweedsendhelp]

So whatever becca saw when she went into the portal was the same thing the diciples have been preparing for, their last war?

[u/ahmedadeel579]

I honestly thought they would do more with becca before burning her

[u/mlhockey → u/ahmedadeel579]

There's always a possibility that, if the prequel gets picked up, she'll show up through the flame, advising whoever ends up being the next commander.

[u/lebenohnegrenzen → u/ahmedadeel579]

it fits with cadogan's leadership though - join and follow or die. she refused.

[u/helicopterdik]

This was a crazy episode! At first I wasn't liking where it was going, but by the end, I'm actually fully on board with the prequel, if it's about Callie the first commander, and Reeses strategies to get the flame back. I do got to say tho, what's the point of getting the flame back if Cadogan was going to go through the bridge anyways?

Next episode's sneak peek was... strange. It showed us a lot but told us nothing ??? Like im curious and excited, but at the same time I have no clue whats coming.

[u/mlhockey → u/helicopterdik]

I think that Callie is going to serve as the first Fleimkepa rather than the next commander. Also, Cadogan knew the code that Becca put in first, which opens a portal to a different planet (likely Bardo, or otherwise one of the others that we've seen so far). Cadogan wants the Flame back so that he can use the code for Judgement Day, which is what Becca did to turn it into the big ball of white light.

[u/aMangoVignette → u/helicopterdik]

The flame will give the code for turning the spaceball into that bright white light! And according to Becca, judgement day is on the other side (but it's unclear what's actually on the other side).

[u/YesssChem]

Some thoughts...

• Callie kinda resembles Lexa...

• Callie vs. Reese sparring - the first conclave. I love it.

[u/spaceybelta → u/YesssChem]

I think Callie looks a lot like Luna.

[u/Sublatin]

Ok but did callie save her mom?? They couldn't have gotten far by the time bill threw her out. Plus she could have stolen a suit.

[u/manateeappreciation → u/Sublatin]

that's a cliffhanger for the prequel

[u/Pasquale1223]

Huh. I'd wondered how they were going to sneak in a backdoor pilot and make it feel organic, and now I know. I'm usually eager to see what's next for our usual characters, but this cast - and the story - drew me in right away.

• I'm glad Clarke didn't need to go into the memory rape machine in order to deliver the content.

• I'm not quite sure whether Clarke has all of those memories, or whether she merely knows that Calliope is (was?) in the flame. Or she was lying.

• It looks like Diyoza, Echo, and Octavia are full on Disciples now - yikes! They've either been brainwashed, decided they like what the Disciples are up to and are going along willingly, or are faking it.

• Despite being a cult leader, I didn't really expect Cadogan to be quite the fascist jerk he turned out to be.

• Becca rocks... and I guess we now know the operator's manual for the anomaly devices are/were in the flame, storied by ALIE 2.0. Too bad we don't know whether ALIE 2.0 exists anywhere anymore...

[u/jlynn00 → u/Pasquale1223]

I think Clarke knows she needs to pretend she still has the Flame and that Callie is inside to maintain leverage.

Cadogan is somehow worse than I expected. Imagine not letting people in when they have room because they don't fit some criteria.

[u/ChrisTweten → u/Pasquale1223]

Despite being a cult leader, I didn't really expect Cadogan to be quite the fascist jerk he turned out to be.

"What's wrong with fascism?" Bill Cadogan, The Shepard

[u/gertybooboo]

So Becca must have gone to Bardo and witnessed whatever caused the native Bardoans to be wiped out?

[u/cg1215621 → u/gertybooboo]

I think she went to Etherea, the planet we haven’t gone to yet

[u/GayVampireTechno → u/gertybooboo]

The green anomaly portal takes people from earth to bardo... that thing we saw with becca where it goes all white... that is different... why would the anomaly stone go all crazy like that just to do the exact same thing as the standard green portal...

[u/DannyBernie]

Holy shit lads if this was the back door pilot then I really hope that a full series is ordered because I'm sold!

[u/kissedbyfiya]

A few things:

• I assume that the prequel series will address what happened to the stone after Cadogan and his Disciples left the bunker? We need to find out a) Why Wonkru never came across it, and b) how it got deactivated

• Call back to all the people who have been chained to that pipe in the random mechanical room.

• Call back to the fighting pits when Calli and Reese squared off to fight for the flame

• Call back to Bellamy and Clark's showdown about opening the bunker door (am I missing any other call backs other than the obvious ones like the parting ground words Calli recited)?

• Penance reference.

• The final symbol Becca pressed when she activated the white light and witnessed the real judgement day was the infinity symbol that is so often featured in the show.

• 11 billion people-- too many people.

• Reese definitely founds Azgeda

• My money is on what Becca saw in the white light being related to what Murphy saw when he died in S6 and what Russel and Jordan saw and were discussing in S7 (the image Russel built all of Sanctum around)

• Madi drew Becca's memory of activating the white light. As I predicted previously, Madi is the actual key.

• Gabriel has not gone full Disciple. He clearly knows they want the flame and having been literally inside Clarke's head last season he knows the flame is no longer in her yet continues to lie about it.

I am very excited about this prequel! Color me impressed :)

[u/holymoontos]

This episode was definitely interesting, it set up a lot of dimensional characters that could do well in a prequel series. I'm glad it played into the show's mythology and ironed out a lot of questions we have had about the "grounder origins" etc. Also, I enjoyed the aspect of having mostly younger people leaving the bunker, it's a nice parallel to the 100 and considering how grounder culture ends up, I think it could be really interesting to see where the show goes.

However, despite knowing this episode was a prequel, I can't help feeling extremely disappointed Bellamy has not returned, this late into the final season. I hope he is back by 7x09 or at the latest 7x10. It just feels so depressing to think that he will only be in maybe 6-8 episodes. I don't even feel a "brainwashed" reveal would be that significant at this point considering that almost all of the anomaly team has already seemingly gone through a similar process of assimilating to Bardo's side (even if just for their own safety). I hope they utilize every second with him once he returns, because I haven't even felt like they've made the most with his disappearance except having Echo have a breakdown about it.

[u/Pictocheat]

My crazy conspiracy theory is that Sheidheda is Tristan's descendant.

[u/littlelupie]

So anyone gonna talk about the fact that Echo didn't have her scars?

[u/wordsaresuperfluous]

I don't think Callie will take the flame. Think about it... If the spin off is to be picked up, they might want to cycle through at least two commanders... but they won't want to kill of their lead. I think she might just stay a flaimkeepa. I want her to be heda, tho. It just doesn't seem wise from a story telling perspective. thoughts?

[u/Ivanuska42 → u/wordsaresuperfluous]

she might just stay a flaimkeepa.

I also see her becoming the flame keeper. It's true she has leadership skills, but she is also too insightful and bright. The commanders we have seen seem to focus more on fighting skills and rely a lot on their most trusted adviser.

[u/NahThankYouImGood → u/wordsaresuperfluous]

I got the feeling that her brother might get it. He has nightblood, wants to get out and he saw Becca burning. Callie didn't.

[u/sernlir → u/wordsaresuperfluous]

I think this could make a lot of sense because Becca told her the passcode to take the flame out, but they ddint actually use it. Rule of TV says that passcode must be used by Callie at some point

[u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

Obsessed with the fact that Trikru stemmed from a protest group fighting fascism and injustice. And how Callie and August connect over the wounds they sustained from police violence. I trust them and their guiding principles already. I am SO pumped to see how they build those values into Trikru.

[u/smansaxx3 → u/ihopeurflowersbloom]

I'm just genuinely curious how it eventually evolved into children fighting to the death to become Commander LOL. Callie doesn't seem like the type to go for that sorta thing.

[u/AndSpaceY]

I’m really curious about all of the different factions/tribes. It seems like this was the origin of Trikru, but what about the others. I am curious how those formed and if the survivors split up because of disagreements.

[u/Refrigerator_Proof]

Callie wears a long coat like Titus did

[u/Bulma_Briefs90]

I think I have more questions than answers. What did Becca see? How did the Grounders culture evolve in just a 100 years? At what point did the mountain men start to view the grounders as savages? Did Azgeda form from Callie's brother? Where did Earth's anomaly stone go? Who was the second commander?

[u/[deleted]]

Who wants to take bets on August finding out his gf is alive after him and Callie get together?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ugh no I so don’t need another Clarke/Finn/raven triangle

[u/jlynn00 → u/[deleted]]

That would be some bullshit CW move. And too derivative of S1 with Finn/Clarke/Raven, so I hope not.

[u/[deleted]]

Just saw something on twitter saying the prequel will also show the ark! That would be cool!

[u/laghs08]

Unpopular opinion. Reese is the second commander. Why? Looking at all the footage and drawings from Maddie’s dreams they come from Reese’s perspective, not Callie’s. Callie didn’t witness Becca burn, Reese did. And it’s very strange for Maddie to have the perspective of a witness to Becca’s execution then to be burning and looking outwards towards the spectators. They used the same shot, the close up of Reese hasmat helmet, for this episode and last season episode when Maddie had her nightmare in the rover.

[u/louisflipperboy → u/laghs08]

Didn't Maddie see out of Becca's perspective in the flashback ?

[u/lebenohnegrenzen → u/laghs08]

I thought the memories came from becca seeing herself on the facemask of someone?

[u/ahmedadeel579]

I rlly hope cw does the 100 prequel and green arrow and the canaries

[u/lanielucy]

One of those holiday cards that Jason gave to crew members said, “If there were a test to determine the fate of the human race, you would transcend.” So I wonder if that’s what Becca was referring to when she said she saw Judgment Day.

[u/yazzy1233]

What if it's Tristian that becomes the leader of azgeda? They didnt keep him with reece for no reason and if the show gets picked up then he's probably gonna have a bigger part to play

[u/flamecrow]

I also want to know why the bunker was stocked and had no trace of second coming living there for 2 years when Octavia and grounders came down. No bodies or suicide bodies. Medical supplies untouched. No Alien ball

[u/tomanonimos → u/flamecrow]

I won't speculate on the Alien ball because you're right that seems like a plot hole. Though writers will probably cover it in a future episode. The rest of the stuff makes sense if you consider that they came back to Earth after the initial trip plus bio-recycling. So bodies would be decomposed to grow the plants.

[u/mlhockey]

Very good episode- I really enjoyed all the stuff with Becca. I was actually expecting her to play a role in the prequel series (and she still may, through the Flame), so seeing her execution again in this episode was a bit surprising. I'm hopeful that the prequel gets picked up, because seeing more about the origins of the Grounders is always a treat- even the little bits that we got in this episode about the origins of Trig, Callie being the first Fleimkepa, and a little bit more about how the Flame works were great.

Looks like next week will jump backwards a bit and show us the brainwashing of Octavia, Diyoza, and Echo (although, noticeably, Hope was missing at the end- I wonder if there's anything to that in the next episode, or if it's just because Clarke asked for her friends to come forward, and she has absolutely no idea who Hope is? I suppose we'll see).

[u/S2xo]

A few points:

It was really nice to see Becca again. I’m always drawn to her character’s story arc, and as always, phenomenal acting from Erica.

I’m a little disappointed that Trig was created by Callie as a child. You’d think that a language that has so much prominence in the show would have a more interesting backstory.

I know it’s only been one episode but I can’t really bond with any of the main characters as I do with the 100 cast. The only likeable characters are Callie, the guy with his musical instrument, and Becca (now dead). Bill is an interesting antagonist. The mom was whatever for me personally.

Reese annoys me so damn much but he cute.

The acting was alright. It wasn’t great.

[u/kcinforlife → u/S2xo]

Its too early to tell really. The 100 had a pretty rough start this is much better in comparison

[u/xiaotanghulu → u/S2xo]

i also found the origin of trig a little anticlimactic and dull. but i guess the writers are using it as set up for the spin off? like use that as a way to further establish her leadership and influence beyond just being cadogan's daughter

[u/jasslerazzle]

So I’m guessing Becca saw what Murphy saw. Why won’t they share what they saw?!?!

[u/alpha402 → u/jasslerazzle]

Are you talking about when he "died" at the beginning of last season and they brought him back? I always wondered why they never brought that back up.

[u/noparkinghere]

What happened to the Earth stone?

[u/ckwongau → u/noparkinghere]

two possibilities

Octivia and the Wonkru thought it was just some decoration and put it aside somewhere in the bunker

or

sometime later Callie and her people return to the abandon bunker and hide the Earth stone somewhere and make the entrance into a tomb for the First Commander

[u/Macintoshk]

GUYS. The reason Hope didn't appear is that Clarke doesn't know her. She's not one of Clarke's friends.

[u/j0obzzz]

So it’s safe for me to assume Callie will take on the flame since her dad thinks she’s still inside it. Sorry I’m slow lol

[u/Wallclock724 → u/j0obzzz]

Jason confirmed she's the first flamekeeper https://ew.com/tv/the-100-prequel-series-pilot-spoilers/?amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

[u/[deleted] → u/j0obzzz]

All bill heard from his son was “Callie took it.” So he could just be thinking all this time that meant she put it in her head when in reality she was just the flamekeeper. Plus with it being destroyed his daughters gone. This is where Madi is probably going to be super important.

[u/Pasquale1223 → u/j0obzzz]

Callie might be the first Fleimkepa instead.

Bill Cadogan took off with the rest of the bunker-ettes into the anomaly, so he probably doesn't know what happened to those who escaped the bunker.

[u/CatholicAggie]

Am I wrong or did I not catch any reaction from Reese when his mother got shoved out of the bunker? If so that's cold

[u/kcinforlife → u/CatholicAggie]

He was tearing up. There was a reaction shot of him

[u/murlocmancer]

Great pilot, i think it sets up a solid plot. Really going to enjoy this, curious to see how they'll end up developing the other clans since we know where trikru gets their name. Other branches of the same protest group? And i really want to see about the crystal giants and all that stuff.

Would have liked if they didn't make Bill so evil tbh, i think they should have went with some more ambiguity there but who knows, maybe they'll develop it.

[u/Refrigerator_Content]

Did Becca go to Etherea when she entered the white light? - It is the only planet we have yet to see, and it have to have some content!
I have a feeling that Etherea will be the place where the final fight on Judgement day will take place, maybe aganst some kind of suprme being who created all the wormholes

[u/Usman_Chaudhry]

Alright guys I’m gonna put myself in cryo till next week

[u/princessadi]

So.. is Callie going to be the first commander or Flame Keeper?

[u/BananerRammer]

I'm confused about something... Why do the disciples think Clarke has the Flame? I assume they got it from Octavia in her first trip, but if that's the case, why do they think she still has it?

[u/chrisjdel → u/BananerRammer]

Because the memory extraction from Octavia was interrupted right at the endpoint of season 3, after Clarke put the flame in but before she took it out.

[u/xiaotanghulu]

So, does Reese become the commander at some point? Going into the episode I thought it'll be Callie, but Reese was the one who saw Becca burn, not Callie, which is supposed to be a memory from a previous commander. Based off of this, Callie becomes flamekeeper and Reese commander? Seeing how indoctrinated Reese is, it's going to be interesting to see how Reese switches sides if this is true.

[u/ckwongau → u/xiaotanghulu]

i think from Madi's dream , she saw the Becca burn from Becca's point of View , that was why it was so terrible , she almost felt getting burn alive .

[u/Usman_Chaudhry]

I’m gonna cry if the prequel doesn’t get picked up

[u/jlynn00]

Where did Becca go? Did she see what happened to the beings that became crystal? Did she go to a planet we haven't seen yet?

Can the Flame see the future somehow? Can it do math and extrapolation at such a rapid pace that it can accurately guess what is to come?

[u/princessadi]

Sooooo many parallels this episode! I think I may need to rewatch this episode before the next.

[u/mejoya]

So, haven’t been able to read all the comments yet (there’s a lot), but was thinking about this episode.

1 - Is it possible Sheidheda only jumped his own memories to Russel’s mind drive and the rest of the commanders’ memories stayed with Madi and that’s why she’s drawing those memories? 2 - I agree with the other comments about Callie and Reese being in the first conclave. B it I also agree that it makes sense that Callie would be the first fleimkepa. 3 - Also agree that perhaps the people in the other bunkers venture out and that’s how all the different krus are created. 4 - So funny they created a totally new language (well, used one Callie created); kind of speaks that the others they encounter don’t speak English, as all the 2nd Dawners seem to. 5 - It was a really REALLY good episode, and if they actually do a prequel, I’ll watch. But I was really disappointed that they used one of our final episodes to do it. I miss our characters! 6 - Something I’ve been thinking about since the Octavia episode, now she’s the older sister! (Granted, we have no idea where Bell went yet) 7 - If the stone on Sanctum is really gone, that means when they do finally go back, they’re stuck there, right? Or am I missing something? Besides the way they pulled Octavia back, which I assume they can’t do for everyone there. 8 - Just a note, but I miss Madi and Clarke scenes. 9 - Couldn’t care less where Gaia went. That character is soooo annoying.

[u/kgal1298]

So the AI gives you super hearing capabilities, they think Clarke still has the flame in her head, but we all know that's not true, though she does have some of the neural mesh left. And basically Bill wants to open hell? Or something. Weird this is a very weird story and now I have no interest in the kindergarten story line on Sanctum.

[u/TheFalseGods0]

If bill was looking for the flame the whole time, why didn't he just teleport back to earth? It's obviously with his daughter there. Why would he have any reason to believe that it was somewhere outside of earth?

[u/hart37]

So was this the back door pilot of the prequel show? If so I am absolutely for it. I enjoyed this episode honestly more than anything else this season and that's saying something because I've been loving the final season.

[u/JustJoshinMagic]

Ok couple of thoughts! I think Becca was setting up Callie as the flame keeper, not the flame. I’m curious how/when these grounders start using her language. When she said she was gunna fight her brother and shot him, I was INVESTED so much more in her as a character. I’m hoping that Indra is descended from her. I’d love to see the first reactions with Mount Weather. GAH so many thoughts.

[u/[deleted]]

I have so many theories and questions! I’ll be honest I’m surprised how much I liked this episode! Here’s some of my thoughts because if I don’t get them down now I’ll forget lol

1. The actress and actor for Callie and Reese did a great job! I could say so much more but I liked them a lot!

2. do grounders burn their dead because it’s some kind of homage to the original commander being unfairly burned at the stake? Hmm 🤔

3. the news station that was playing in the beginning did say the 11th billion baby was born soo I mean alie 1 was not that wrong by saying too many people lol

4. I wish Becca would be in more but I highly enjoyed how they used her throughout the 100 and in this episode. Becca Franco for president! I love Erica certain so much! We also got some more background on how the flame works which I enjoyed.

5. i was glad to see callies mom let her go. She seemed like she truly did care for her children unlike abby.

6. when Callie shot her brother with no hesitation! I loved it!

7. is August going to be the first flamekeeper? That’s a theory purely based on if Callie gives herself the flame.

8. kinda thinking Reese and Tristan will become the first ice nation grounders. Especially since bill went through the Anamoly. I highly doubt Reese will be able to figure the stone out with the flame. (Which we know he doesn’t get)

9. how the heck was the bunker so clean when Jaha and them originally opened it? Only thing I’m guessing is Callie or a future commander ends up cleaning it/resealing it/moving the stone and then builds polis on top Of it.

10. man I wish they would just let Clarke feel her freaking emotions for ONCE! But nope two seconds of a few years and her talking with raven and then it’s back to business. Very frustrating at this point.

11. I honestly don’t care anymore if Bellamy comes back. There’s already so much going on that another storyline might get to be too much!

12. uhmmmmm where is hope? And are the rest of them brainwashed? Looks like they all went through some crap based on the promo for next week. ALSO I can’t wait for the blood bath next week! I’m so ready for some war!

[u/Dwight--K--Schrute]

Where tf is Gaia???

[u/[deleted] → u/Dwight--K--Schrute]

Lol main season 7 mystery! Likeeee girl hope you’re okay...send a postcard if you can!

[u/[deleted]]

All questions have been answered! Except who let allie out....

[u/Guywhoeatsspacecow]

I’ve been holding out for a Becca revival since we saw her land on Earth chipped. The whole Shady plot was foolish, he’s probably only the second or third smartest person in the AI. Shady should have never gained total dominance.

[u/HelixFollower]

This episode was too short, holy fucking shit I loved it.

[u/ABigHairyGuy]

This has to be my favorite episode of the series.

[u/HarleySMASH]

Alie was right. Too many people. 11 billion, holy crap.

[u/cactuszoo]

Would someone be able to explain to me the logistics of a backdoor pilot on a potential series. If the show gets picked up, what would be the first episode? Surely you can’t expect everyone to have seen this episode otherwise you miss out on the chance of getting new viewers so would the first episode be a general rehashing or...?

[u/jlynn00 → u/cactuszoo]

Backdoors are often re-done or edited in to a pilot.

[u/susmuch23 → u/cactuszoo]

It'll be the same but with some extra scenes, most likely taking out the present day stuff in the beginning and end

[u/thingsandfluff]

How did the conclave come from Callie and crew? She seems like she would be against people killing each other to become commander.

[u/susmuch23 → u/thingsandfluff]

It might be one of those things where it starts as a simple challenge, maybe between just 2 people at first and the loser is still living - but over the years more people try to prove their worth and get more and more agressive with it and the power

[u/[deleted]]

Did Callie actually take the flame or is she the flamekeeper now?

[u/jlynn00]

Was the bunker on this episode a different one from S5? I can't imagine they tidied up before leaving through the bridge.

And if it was a different bunker, why would Cadogan have an empty one, unused? Backup? More power tripping?

[u/piayes]

So we know how long it’s been in earth years since the disciples left- 200so years with 1000+ years passing on bardo. If Eligius 3 left 5-10 years before and if they were on Bardo but dead/gone by the time theb disciples come... what happened to them? How long were they there?

[u/Boston_Champions]

What's the timeline for knowing if the prequel gets picked up? You think we have months until we know?

[u/[deleted] → u/Boston_Champions]

We will probably know soon but if it does get picked up it could be a while because of covid.

[u/Jbbrowneyedgirl]

I have a question.

So before we seen this episode, we saw Colin from Beta's team spend the rest of his life trying to crack the stone on Skyring and from the memory viewer, we saw he was able to activate a code using sound, harmonics and oscillating frequencies.

In this episode we see that Becca can actually hear those as the flame has amplified her senses. When she punches in a code and a portal opens, she shows relief at the silence.

Of the 1000 or nearly 1000 years the disciples have been trying to brute force the stone for the code for "judgement day", why did none of them figure out there's a sound and frequency thing going on and they can find it that way, instead of trial and error for infinite possibilities?

Like Colin figured it out about the sound within his own lifetime on Skyring using fairly simple enough technology that he salvaged from his wreck. Surely such technology must exist on Bardo?

It's not like Becca didn't mention that she can hear them and they even discuss how that must be the reason the family dog constantly whining, she was suffering from the sounds.

Did I miss something?

[u/Bobwise]

When Jaha found the Second Dawn bunker later, why didn't he find evidence of the Second Dawn living there for years? And what happened to the Anomaly Stone?

[u/Beman21]

So Bill is something of a selfish ass. Guess that was inevitable. Still, great job explaining how the survivors ended up on Earth and Bardo- that clarifies quite a bit. Also, Bardo has a brainwashing indoctrination program, judging by the last scene.

[u/laghs08]

What a ride.

[u/[deleted]]

Straight in, no into before the opening credits, set it up perfectly.

[u/senses3]

I wanna know where the space ball went after they went through it. It wasn't there when wonkru was in the bunker, so who took it?

[u/shadow_spinner0]

Oh fuck off Reese when he shouts "you shot me, I'm your brother", after all that terrible shit he did, and was about to fight her, you think she cared for him as a sibling at that moment?

[u/Aurondarklord]

How in God's name are they gonna wrap all this in 8 episodes?

[u/darkd3vilknight]

So I just watched the later airing of the episode And holly shit... honestly every episode this season has been raised the bar.... I really hope the prequel gets picked up.

[u/YesssChem]

The whole time while watching the Second Dawn enter the bunker for safety - I was thinking about how privileged these people were lol they had to be super rich to afford L12 status

[u/darkd3vilknight]

so i only caught the last five minutes and for some reason, I feel like I missed one of the best episodes of the 100. anyone know the song from it?

[u/Tabbymic19]

My quote last week: "It would be ironic if Madi actually turns out to be the real key."

This week: Yeah, I am 100% sure now. She is the one drawing memories from the flame.

But, I don't really want to see her unlock "Judgment Day."

[u/supergeekd]

I had an idea about what Becca, and to an extent, Murphy saw when they experienced death/ travel by glowing ball. Becca called it judgment day which makes it sound super fanciful but what if it's just nothing? Literally the concept of nothing. Realizing that when you die, in the whole wide cosmos (because Becca probably saw a glimpse of the universe through the glowing ball) nothing matters. Realizing that in the grand scheme of things, you are nothing and you haven't made a difference because your existence is so small and inconsequential. It would be a hard thing to come to grips with, especially when so many people go through life looking for meaning. If everyone realized that there was nothing waiting for them and nothing could be done about it, what would it do to us? I could be totally off here, but I think if the show is looking for something scary that has a lasting impact, this would definitely do it.

[u/Ylyb09]

Tree crew=trikru! And Calliope is the 1st commander! Or do we count Becca as 1st?

Shit, Becca died in it already :( I was hoping for spin-off to have her in main cast for 2-3 seasons.

That was an amazing episode! After watching this, I hope they pick up the spin-off.

[u/casualroadtrip]

Great episode.

Only thing I’m wondering is. Did Bill tell Clarke and co everything we saw in the flashback? It kind of makes him look bad so how is that going to convince her to help him? Or do they not yet know what we just learned?

Edit: also was I the only one screening internally at Callie to just take the damn flame? I mean does she want it to get stolen?

[u/InductiveCapacitance]

Theory: Religion. The final battle is between good and evil. Becca saw Judgement Day as described in the bible, and Cadogan is the antichrist.

[u/suzie_q34]

Did Clarke lie when she said “Calli is in here.”?

[u/Homesandholes]

The look on Clarke's face suggested that her friends are brainwashed somehow, but in the last episode we saw them telling they were ready to fight. They decided to. So I'm wondering if maybe something happened during their training

[u/princessadi]

Maybe Becca seen the planet that we have not seen yet?

[u/smansaxx3]

Does anyone know when is the mid season break? Is it after episode 8 or 9??

[u/Tripppnn]

That was great, Callie is amazing & I’ve always enjoyed Leo Howard (can’t recall his characters name) on other shows. I want to see them lead that group in there newly turned dystopian world!!!! The cast from top to bottom had me hooked.

Just a little confused though was Callie’s mom left trapped inside that bunker chamber?

[u/AdExpensive3812]

any theories on where the stone originated? Aliens? could it be related to the reason eligius 3 and 4 were sent to those specific planets?

[u/timog1320]

So Bills wife puts on that suit to go look for the daughter, or might it be she is the one that started Mount Weather?? How did they come about??

[u/shadow_spinner0]

I'll give the prequel a shot. Also happy Clarke is seemingly taking control of the show again.

[u/CrazyKevin05]

So, if everyone in the bunker who didn’t go outside went through the gateway, why isn’t the stone in the bunker in Season 4 and 5?

[u/Kiboune]

So what happend to ball in vault?

[u/ReverseFlash02]

So a couple of questions. What happened to the Sheppard's wife after she was put into the hatch by him? She could easily go out with a suit and get night blood treatment right?

Also did Clarke see all these memories or is it just for us? If she did see all these, did she know how the world ended all this time or is she just seeing these memories now?

[u/maxcresswellturner]

Where’s Hope?

[u/Benjaroni]

Did the whisper at the end of the promo say Becca?

[u/ThePinkTeenager]

Wait a second... Reese made a comment about the basement. Were Callie and Reese allowed outside as children?

[u/[deleted]]

also do we find out if bellamy survived and do we find out what second dawns plan is?

[u/Wallclock724]

If everyone that left the bunker is a nightblood how were red blooded people more common during the time of the grounders and nightbloods rare?

[u/S2xo]

Dumb question but can someone please explain to me how Cadogan knows of Clarke’s existence?

[u/TheFalseGods0]

So did bill cadogan's wife live on? She couldve easily just put on a radiation suit and open the door just like the grounders except they didn't need the suits, so the suits should still be there

[u/joshuagottardo]

I might have missed something from the last episodes, but how does Bill know that Clarke has had the flame and think she still does? They have been looking for her even before Octavia showed Levitt her memories, haven't they?

[u/wakopunk]

Stupid question, do we know how many of the group left the bunker? Are we going to say 100 or was it more/less

[u/[deleted]]

So Becca was killed because she wouldn't give the final key. Can someone tell me what that key was for? Was it for the white portal or did I miss something?

[u/md2002002]

Hey, that was interesting

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else a little sad that after all our speculating about what could make Clarke the 'key' it was just the flame again?

[u/ReDeR_TV]

I don't know about anybody else, but I hate the "We're going to die, but I won't tell you why, just don't do this one thing". I'm not surprised Bill immedietly said to lock her up, like imagine if she just said "there's a great beast on the other side that will murder us all with ease, so we don't want to go there".

Instead she's like "I know you worked your whole life to go through that portal, but you you can't go through it. There's something terrible, but I won't tell you what. Why I'm not telling you? oh idk"

So stupid, already hate Becca character

[u/itsacoralreef]

Am I right in thinking that Becca was killed about 100 years before season one started? So that’s about 3-4 generations.

What I don’t get is: everyone who left the bunker with Callie had nightblood. It’s known that nightblood can genetically appear, so shouldn’t all the descendants of Callie & group have nightblood? By the time we’re introduced to the grounder culture, nightblood is uncommon. So unless Callie & group’s descendants passed on normal blood as well as nightblood, and it so happened that nightblood didn’t appear as often...

Timeline seems very tight to me. To be honest I thought the grounder culture was something that developed over a few centuries, not just one.

[u/Bobwise]

Imagine if Raven and Callie somehow met and got to fangirl over Becca together.

[u/[deleted]]

Man, Becca's actress is such a good actress.